Baseball America Top 30
Baseball America Prospect Handbook.
Top 30
1. Josh Vitters 3b
2. Jeff Samardzija Rp
3. Andrew Cashner Rp
4. Dae-Eun Rhee Rp
5. Wellington Castillo C
6. Kevin Hart Rp
7. Starlin Castro SS
8. Ryan Flaherty SS
9. Jay Jackson Rp
10. Hak-Ju Lee SS
11. Steven Clevenger C
12. Micah Hoffpauir OF/1B
13. Brandon Guyer OF
14. Junior Lake SS
15. Jovan Rosa 3B
16. Tyler Colvin OF
17. Marcos Mateo Rp
18. Chris Carpenter RP
19. Darwin Barney SS
20. Marquez Smith 3B/2B
21. Mitch Atkins RP
22. Esmalin Caridad RP
23. Tony Thomas 2B
24. Jake Fox 1B/OF
25. Ty Wright OF
26. Blake Parker RP
27. Matt Cerda C
28. Logan Watkins 2B
29. Alex Maestri RP
30. Su-Min Jung RP
Honorable Mention in the depth charts.
Sam Fuld
Andrew Rundle
Nelson Perez
Kyler Burke
Brad Snyder
Dylan Johnston
Jonathan Mota
Nate Samson
Nate Spears
Marwin Gonzalez
Carlos Perez
Luis Flores
Aaron Shafer
Larry Suarez
Hung-Wen Chen
Casey Coleman
Dan McDaniel
Jesse Estrada
Jose Ascanio
Rocky Roquet
Justin Berg
Jordan Latham
Alberto Cabrera
David Patton
Randy Wells
Julio Pena
Jeff Antigue
Jeff Beliveau
James Russell
Cody Hams
Casey Lambert
James Leverton
Ed Campusano
Jeremy Papelbon
Luke Sommer
Seems like J Callis had a rough time.
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Because he’s old (in baseball terms).
Because he’s only had one notable season at the plate.
Because he put up those numbers in an inflated hitter’s league.
Because he can only play first base.
Spellcheck #2?
Sure hope he lives up to his ranking.
"Truth does not do as much good in the world as the semblance of truth does evil," - Duc de La Rochefoucauld, Maxims, 64.
There's really no one else
outside of Shark and Vitters that deserve the top 2 slots, in all honesty. Much as I like Jay Jackson, and much as I like Law, when I did that top 50, I couldn’t justify anyone else besides Vitters/Shark because you have to give some credit for readiness. I don’t think Shark is the TOR guy that some Cubs fans think he is. At best, I see him as a 2, perhaps a 2/3 type, but combine his upside and his “readiness”, he deserves it in our system to be number 2.
Interesting.. Did they have good things to say about Vitters in his writeup?
"I played with one of the best pitchers in history, Greg Maddux," Zambrano said"
three short stops in the top 10
now i now flaherty likely wont stick, but thats still pure boo ya imo.
bring up felix.
+1
The major league team is really an elite shortstop away from winning 100+ games, IMHO. Will any of the SS be ready for 2010?
by dr stabbingworth on Jan 24, 2009 8:02 PM CST up reply actions
not the guys with a chance to stick
Ju will probably be on the XST/Boise route with an outside shot at Peoria for 2009. That puts him, in a positive scenario, in A ball in 2010.
Castro may get pushed to Peoria to start 2009. Even in a positive scenario, he’s likely in AA, and that’s a really positive scenario since he is still physically maturing.
Prior to his injuries
he showed improvement with that changeup, enough that I can’t imagine many lists where he isn’t in the top 30 area. Granted, it was improvement in Daytona, so let’s see if it holds, but that was one of the nice things this year – Maestri’s development from definite pen arm to borderline shot for the rotation depending on how things go.
I think Maestri
is best suited to the bullpen. Heck, he thinks that too, although he’s willing to take the ball anytime they hand it to him in whatever situation. He might be a swingman in the majors, but I doubt he’ll ever be a regular starter.
The system is in sorry shape
There’s no other way to spin it. Tim Wilken needs to kick it in the ass after three less than inspiring drafts in my opinion. And Oneri Flieta and his staff of instructors and coaches need to get their crap together.
I would agree
When I saw Hart rated 6th, I thought that can’t be good.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"
I just went back
to year 2000 in the drafts, and yes this franchise has done a poor job drafting or a poor job getting players to a Major League level.
It is not a pretty picture.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
Football/Basketball
I’ve seen your comments in the past and I can understand your concern to some degree. This isnt a situation like football or basketball where you can change the shape or your organization in just one or two years! Most drafts take 5 to 7 seven years to evolve on the Major League side. In 2006 we lost our 2nd to 4th round picks and 2007 we lost our 2nd round and to go with the fact that Keith Law said that our 2005 draft might not produce even one big leaguer either front liner or “cup of coffee” player has left this organization very thin especially on the higher minor league level side. The lower part of minor leagues are doing fine, I would venture to say we would be in the top 10, but the effects of this wont be seen for quite sometime. So even if your scale is 3 years, its not nearly enough to grade at this point. Patience should used at this time.
by Slamdog on Jan 25, 2009 7:38 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you!
This seems a very reasonable assessment of the situation. Rec’d.
Consistent. Championship. Tradition.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 26, 2009 8:52 AM CST up reply actions
and I am sure
a big part is that we have about 1/3-1/2 the amount of scouts as many other teams do.
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
So let's just say no Peavy...
Man, that felt good.
Does anyone know if the prospects Pie (Olson/Harrison) and DeRosa (Stevens, Gaub, Archer) brought would fall into top 30 consideration or would they not even make honorable mention? I’m thinking Olson (if he’s still considered a prospect?) and Stevens would have to beat out Hart.
Must have gone to press to early
They werent listed at time of release. Under the parameters set I dont Olson can be considered and would think that all three of Stevens, Gaub and Olson would be ranked in the Top 30 and Willamson would probably be an honorable mention along Buchter another Lp we aquired in a minor league deal for Avery in the Nationals minor league deal.
Of that list
Stevens would make the top 30. He’s probably about level with Hart. Gaub was on BA’s Indians top 30 last year, so there’s a good chance he’d be on ours. Olson isn’t a prospect anymore, and Hank Williamson wouldn’t be a top 30 as raw arms that pump a decent low-mid 90’s fastball with a decent breaking ball isn’t all that unique. Archer has upside (decent fast/curve right now), but a lot of work there, particularly mechanically.
I did put Stevens/Gaub/Archer in my top 50 list I posted. I also have contemplated Hank Williamson the last few days and based on the available knowledge, I’d guess I’d drop him in the 76-100 range.
My thoughts
Hart should not even be on the list and Adkins is to low.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
Comes down to what you are grading on
Atkins doesn’t have much upside. Decent 3 pitch arsenal, potential end of the rotation profile. His “value” comes in readiness, but even then, readiness is only an assumption based on standing in many respects.
Maybe he could turn into a Marquis-type inning eater.
We need one of those right now.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
perhaps
Marquis has better stuff, IMO. I think a lot of people forget these days that Marquis was fairly decently regarded coming up the Braves system. Atkins, IMO, hasn’t been on that level.
I have little doubt
Marquis will have a better career than Atkins, but Marquis was actually a pretty good pitcher for Atlanta and early in his St. Louis career. I think Al was saying that Atkins could end up being about as good for us as Marquis was last season, not over the course of his career.
I’d actually agree with that, if that’s what he’s saying.
I think
Atkins does have what it takes to be an innings-eater. Everyone criticizes his stuff, but I think it’s better than people think. He seems to be able to get outs, which I don’t think he could if he didn’t know how to pitch.
I think he’s a real nice guy to have in AAA in case of injury.
We did draft Sea Biscuit and LaPorta but could no sign them
"I played with one of the best pitchers in history, Greg Maddux," Zambrano said"
On both players
Lincecum was taken in the 48th round out of high school. You don’t take someone in the 48th round if you’re serious about signing him.
LaPorta the Cubs really did try to sign. That was the same draft, 2003, and the Cubs had a real hole in their system at catcher. LaPorta was the third catcher the Cubs took in that draft after Jake Fox and Tony Richie, but he wanted a big bonus to not go to Florida and the Cubs weren’t in as much a position of need after Fox and Richie signed.
If you people think Wilkins is doing a bad job, look at the 2003 draft before he got here. Sean Marshall was a nice pick, but other than that, nothing. Sixth pick in the draft was wasted on Ryan Harvey, and the only other major leaguers signed were Fox, McGehee and Fuld. Ugh.
Example of Scouting difference
Cubs Scouting Department
Tim Wilken Director, Amateur & Professional Scouting
Paul Weaver Director, International Scouting
Steve Hinton Special Assistant to the Scouting Director
Mark Adair Western Crosschecker
Sam Hughes National Crosschecker
Charlie Aliano Eastern Crosschecker
Steve Riha Midwest Crosschecker
Patricia Honzik Administrative Assistant
Jake Ciarrachi Player Development & Scouting Assistant
Cardinals Player Development/Scouting
Jeff Luhnow Vice President, Amateur Scouting & Player Development
Ellen Gingles Administrative Assistant
John Abbamondi Assistant General Manager
Matt Carroll Coordinator, Baseball Operations/Pro Scouting
Mike Jorgensen
Gary LaRocque
Matt Slater Special Assistants to the GM
John Vuch Director, Minor League Operations
Mike Girsch Director, Baseball Development
Moises Rodriguez Director, International Operations
Jaron Madison Assistant Scouting Director
Sig Mejdal Senior Quantitative Analyst
Rob Fidler Coordinator, Asian Development
Bruce Benedict
Alan Benes
Chuck Fick
Marty Keough
Deric McKamey
Joe Rigoli Professional Scouts
Cal Eldred Special Assignment to GM
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
Which is exactly why ...
… one of the first things Ricketts will do, IMO, is ADD to the current staff.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I, for one, would definitely support that move.
Consistent. Championship. Tradition.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 26, 2009 8:54 AM CST up reply actions
it is needed
we have a small front office, and small scouting staff compared to almost every team in baseball.
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
Everyone seems high on Josh Viiters
but who has even seen him play? I’m talking about BCBS readers. I hear great things about Vitters, but i’ve never personally seen him play. He’s never made the big league club, or triple A for that matter.
How good is he really?
People thought Pie was fantastic and he was rated as No. 1 Cubs prospect and well, we all know what happpened to him.
by Cubs and Hawks fan on Jan 26, 2009 2:48 PM CST reply actions

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