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Baseball America Top 30

Baseball America Prospect Handbook.

Top 30

 

1.  Josh Vitters 3b

2.   Jeff Samardzija Rp

3.   Andrew Cashner Rp

4.   Dae-Eun Rhee Rp

5.   Wellington Castillo C

6.   Kevin Hart Rp

7.   Starlin Castro SS

8.   Ryan Flaherty  SS

9.   Jay Jackson    Rp

10.  Hak-Ju Lee    SS

11.  Steven Clevenger C

12.  Micah Hoffpauir OF/1B

13.  Brandon Guyer OF

14.  Junior Lake   SS

15.  Jovan Rosa  3B

16.  Tyler Colvin  OF

17.  Marcos Mateo Rp

18.  Chris Carpenter RP

19.  Darwin Barney   SS

20.  Marquez Smith   3B/2B

21.  Mitch Atkins  RP

22.  Esmalin Caridad  RP

23.  Tony Thomas   2B

24.  Jake Fox 1B/OF

25.  Ty Wright OF

26.  Blake Parker RP

27.  Matt Cerda   C

28.  Logan Watkins 2B

29.  Alex Maestri   RP

30.  Su-Min Jung  RP

Honorable Mention in the depth charts.

Sam Fuld

Andrew Rundle

Nelson Perez

Kyler Burke

Brad Snyder

Dylan Johnston

Jonathan Mota

Nate Samson

Nate Spears

Marwin Gonzalez

Carlos Perez

Luis Flores

Aaron Shafer

Larry Suarez

Hung-Wen Chen

Casey Coleman

Dan McDaniel

Jesse Estrada

Jose Ascanio

Rocky Roquet

Justin Berg

Jordan Latham

Alberto Cabrera

David Patton

Randy Wells

Julio Pena

Jeff Antigue

Jeff Beliveau

James Russell

Cody Hams

Casey Lambert

James Leverton

Ed Campusano

Jeremy Papelbon

Luke Sommer

Seems like J Callis had a rough time.

 

 

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how is Micah Hoffpauir 12th when he tore up triple A and made the big league team

by Aramis Ramirez on Jan 24, 2009 3:40 PM CST reply actions  

In no particular order:

Because he’s old (in baseball terms).

Because he’s only had one notable season at the plate.

Because he put up those numbers in an inflated hitter’s league.

Because he can only play first base.

by cwyers on Jan 24, 2009 4:04 PM CST reply actions  

Right.

I would argue that 12th might even be a little too high.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jan 24, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Spellcheck #2?

Sure hope he lives up to his ranking.

"Truth does not do as much good in the world as the semblance of truth does evil," - Duc de La Rochefoucauld, Maxims, 64.

by Emelie on Jan 24, 2009 6:03 PM CST reply actions  

There's really no one else

outside of Shark and Vitters that deserve the top 2 slots, in all honesty. Much as I like Jay Jackson, and much as I like Law, when I did that top 50, I couldn’t justify anyone else besides Vitters/Shark because you have to give some credit for readiness. I don’t think Shark is the TOR guy that some Cubs fans think he is. At best, I see him as a 2, perhaps a 2/3 type, but combine his upside and his “readiness”, he deserves it in our system to be number 2.

by toonsterwu on Jan 24, 2009 11:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Interesting.. Did they have good things to say about Vitters in his writeup?

"I played with one of the best pitchers in history, Greg Maddux," Zambrano said"

by fischisgod on Jan 24, 2009 6:25 PM CST reply actions  

three short stops in the top 10

now i now flaherty likely wont stick, but thats still pure boo ya imo.

bring up felix.

by kylejo on Jan 24, 2009 6:56 PM CST reply actions  

+1

The major league team is really an elite shortstop away from winning 100+ games, IMHO. Will any of the SS be ready for 2010?

by dr stabbingworth on Jan 24, 2009 8:02 PM CST up reply actions  

not the guys with a chance to stick

Ju will probably be on the XST/Boise route with an outside shot at Peoria for 2009. That puts him, in a positive scenario, in A ball in 2010.

Castro may get pushed to Peoria to start 2009. Even in a positive scenario, he’s likely in AA, and that’s a really positive scenario since he is still physically maturing.

by toonsterwu on Jan 24, 2009 11:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Good to see

Alex Maestri crack the top 30, even with his injuries.

by Josh Timmers on Jan 24, 2009 9:16 PM CST reply actions  

Prior to his injuries

he showed improvement with that changeup, enough that I can’t imagine many lists where he isn’t in the top 30 area. Granted, it was improvement in Daytona, so let’s see if it holds, but that was one of the nice things this year – Maestri’s development from definite pen arm to borderline shot for the rotation depending on how things go.

by toonsterwu on Jan 24, 2009 11:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Maestri

is best suited to the bullpen. Heck, he thinks that too, although he’s willing to take the ball anytime they hand it to him in whatever situation. He might be a swingman in the majors, but I doubt he’ll ever be a regular starter.

by Josh Timmers on Jan 25, 2009 11:25 PM CST up reply actions  

The system is in sorry shape

There’s no other way to spin it. Tim Wilken needs to kick it in the ass after three less than inspiring drafts in my opinion. And Oneri Flieta and his staff of instructors and coaches need to get their crap together.

by BLou on Jan 24, 2009 10:42 PM CST reply actions  

I would agree

When I saw Hart rated 6th, I thought that can’t be good.

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Jan 25, 2009 6:16 AM CST up reply actions  

I just went back

to year 2000 in the drafts, and yes this franchise has done a poor job drafting or a poor job getting players to a Major League level.
 It is not a pretty picture.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Jan 25, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Football/Basketball

I’ve seen your comments in the past and I can understand your concern to some degree. This isnt a situation like football or basketball where you can change the shape or your organization in just one or two years! Most drafts take 5 to 7 seven years to evolve on the Major League side. In 2006 we lost our 2nd to 4th round picks and 2007 we lost our 2nd round and to go with the fact that Keith Law said that our 2005 draft might not produce even one big leaguer either front liner or “cup of coffee” player has left this organization very thin especially on the higher minor league level side. The lower part of minor leagues are doing fine, I would venture to say we would be in the top 10, but the effects of this wont be seen for quite sometime. So even if your scale is 3 years, its not nearly enough to grade at this point. Patience should used at this time.

by Slamdog on Jan 25, 2009 7:38 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Thank you!

This seems a very reasonable assessment of the situation. Rec’d.

Consistent. Championship. Tradition.

by daver on Jan 26, 2009 8:52 AM CST up reply actions  

and I am sure

a big part is that we have about 1/3-1/2 the amount of scouts as many other teams do.

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 25, 2009 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

So let's just say no Peavy...

Man, that felt good.
Does anyone know if the prospects Pie (Olson/Harrison) and DeRosa (Stevens, Gaub, Archer) brought would fall into top 30 consideration or would they not even make honorable mention? I’m thinking Olson (if he’s still considered a prospect?) and Stevens would have to beat out Hart.

by socalicubsfan on Jan 25, 2009 9:06 AM CST reply actions  

Must have gone to press to early

They werent listed at time of release. Under the parameters set I dont Olson can be considered and would think that all three of Stevens, Gaub and Olson would be ranked in the Top 30 and Willamson would probably be an honorable mention along Buchter another Lp we aquired in a minor league deal for Avery in the Nationals minor league deal.

by Slamdog on Jan 25, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Of that list

Stevens would make the top 30. He’s probably about level with Hart. Gaub was on BA’s Indians top 30 last year, so there’s a good chance he’d be on ours. Olson isn’t a prospect anymore, and Hank Williamson wouldn’t be a top 30 as raw arms that pump a decent low-mid 90’s fastball with a decent breaking ball isn’t all that unique. Archer has upside (decent fast/curve right now), but a lot of work there, particularly mechanically.

I did put Stevens/Gaub/Archer in my top 50 list I posted. I also have contemplated Hank Williamson the last few days and based on the available knowledge, I’d guess I’d drop him in the 76-100 range.

by toonsterwu on Jan 25, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

My thoughts

Hart should not even be on the list and Adkins is to low.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Jan 25, 2009 10:46 AM CST reply actions  

Comes down to what you are grading on

Atkins doesn’t have much upside. Decent 3 pitch arsenal, potential end of the rotation profile. His “value” comes in readiness, but even then, readiness is only an assumption based on standing in many respects.

by toonsterwu on Jan 25, 2009 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Maybe he could turn into a Marquis-type inning eater.

We need one of those right now.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jan 25, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

perhaps

Marquis has better stuff, IMO. I think a lot of people forget these days that Marquis was fairly decently regarded coming up the Braves system. Atkins, IMO, hasn’t been on that level.

by toonsterwu on Jan 25, 2009 8:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I have little doubt

Marquis will have a better career than Atkins, but Marquis was actually a pretty good pitcher for Atlanta and early in his St. Louis career. I think Al was saying that Atkins could end up being about as good for us as Marquis was last season, not over the course of his career.

I’d actually agree with that, if that’s what he’s saying.

by Josh Timmers on Jan 25, 2009 11:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes.

That was what I was saying.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jan 26, 2009 4:06 AM CST up reply actions  

I think

Atkins does have what it takes to be an innings-eater. Everyone criticizes his stuff, but I think it’s better than people think. He seems to be able to get outs, which I don’t think he could if he didn’t know how to pitch.

I think he’s a real nice guy to have in AAA in case of injury.

by Josh Timmers on Jan 25, 2009 11:29 PM CST up reply actions  

We did draft Sea Biscuit and LaPorta but could no sign them

"I played with one of the best pitchers in history, Greg Maddux," Zambrano said"

by fischisgod on Jan 25, 2009 12:48 PM CST reply actions  

On both players

Lincecum was taken in the 48th round out of high school. You don’t take someone in the 48th round if you’re serious about signing him.

LaPorta the Cubs really did try to sign. That was the same draft, 2003, and the Cubs had a real hole in their system at catcher. LaPorta was the third catcher the Cubs took in that draft after Jake Fox and Tony Richie, but he wanted a big bonus to not go to Florida and the Cubs weren’t in as much a position of need after Fox and Richie signed.

If you people think Wilkins is doing a bad job, look at the 2003 draft before he got here. Sean Marshall was a nice pick, but other than that, nothing. Sixth pick in the draft was wasted on Ryan Harvey, and the only other major leaguers signed were Fox, McGehee and Fuld. Ugh.

by Josh Timmers on Jan 25, 2009 11:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Example of Scouting difference

Cubs Scouting Department
 Tim Wilken Director, Amateur & Professional Scouting
 Paul Weaver Director, International Scouting
 Steve Hinton Special Assistant to the Scouting Director
 Mark Adair Western Crosschecker
 Sam Hughes National Crosschecker
 Charlie Aliano Eastern Crosschecker
 Steve Riha Midwest Crosschecker
 Patricia Honzik Administrative Assistant
 Jake Ciarrachi Player Development & Scouting Assistant

Cardinals Player Development/Scouting
 Jeff Luhnow Vice President, Amateur Scouting & Player Development
 Ellen Gingles Administrative Assistant
 John Abbamondi Assistant General Manager
 Matt Carroll Coordinator, Baseball Operations/Pro Scouting
 Mike Jorgensen
Gary LaRocque
Matt Slater Special Assistants to the GM
 John Vuch Director, Minor League Operations
 Mike Girsch Director, Baseball Development
 Moises Rodriguez Director, International Operations
 Jaron Madison Assistant Scouting Director
 Sig Mejdal Senior Quantitative Analyst
 Rob Fidler Coordinator, Asian Development
 Bruce Benedict
Alan Benes
Chuck Fick
Marty Keough
Deric McKamey
Joe Rigoli Professional Scouts
Cal Eldred Special Assignment to GM

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 25, 2009 1:55 PM CST reply actions  

Which is exactly why ...

… one of the first things Ricketts will do, IMO, is ADD to the current staff.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jan 25, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

it is needed

we have a small front office, and small scouting staff compared to almost every team in baseball.

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 26, 2009 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Everyone seems high on Josh Viiters

but who has even seen him play? I’m talking about BCBS readers. I hear great things about Vitters, but i’ve never personally seen him play. He’s never made the big league club, or triple A for that matter.

How good is he really?

People thought Pie was fantastic and he was rated as No. 1 Cubs prospect and well, we all know what happpened to him.

by Cubs and Hawks fan on Jan 26, 2009 2:48 PM CST reply actions  

I have seen him play

and he’s very good. And nothing like Felix Pie.

by Josh Timmers on Jan 27, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

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