Peavy or Vitters?
by Cubbieblue06 on Jan 27, 2009 6:56 PM CST
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PrintI am very curious on what everyone thinks about this situation. Should we give up Vitters (and others, obviously) for Peavy? Personally, I would keep Vitters but either way we will still be good. . . . . . What do you think?
I don't know if anyone has done this yet but I figured I would put this out........Sorry if it's a repeat. . . . . . .And hopefully this last sentence will complete my 75 words and I don't have to write anymore words. . . .
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These Peavy posts should be DELETED!!!
"I never drink water because of the disgusting things fish do in it" -W.C. Fields
+44
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 27, 2009 10:38 PM CST up reply actions
LOL
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 28, 2009 7:58 AM CST up reply actions
The poll should read:
Should we trade Vitters now
for Peavy
or
trade Vitters after moving him to RF, then 1B, then have his manager rip his unready defense, then benching him and barely giving him ABs
for someone that looks suspiciously like Garret Olson.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Jan 27, 2009 7:03 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Or
Trade Peavy who inevitably needs elbow surgery for Josh Vitters who goes on to hit .300 20+ HRs for who knows how many seasons in a row for the Padres, while Peavy becomes Kerry Wood 2.0
It can just as easily go that way
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
what???
since when are you a medical doctor? how do you know what peavy needs or what he will need you are a internet blogger who is a fan of the team. stick to that.
I dont care who the new owner is as long as he/she/them come equipped with a Jake Peavy and a Joe Beimel!!!
I was simply stating the otherside of his argument
how does he know Vitters will fail at the MLB level? Peavy was on the DL last year with elbow problems and is a power pitcher, so its not unreasonable to think that these problems will continue, with the worst case scenario being surgery
If youre going to limit blogs to people who know what a certain person or entity needs, then not many of us would be here
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
who cares
what vitters will do at this time. if he can net a cy young pitcher then bye bye vitters. so your saying if a pitcher of that caliber ever has elbow problems—dont get him?? itchers have sore elbows all the time.
I dont care who the new owner is as long as he/she/them come equipped with a Jake Peavy and a Joe Beimel!!!
Im saying...
Giving up 4 or 5 players, including our best hitting prospect, for Peavy might not be as sweet as it sounds b/c we might not be getting the Jake Peavy of the past few years b/c of his recent injuries/DL time and b/c of his stats away from Petco, and b/c we dont really “need” Jake Peavy, not with the staff we have, not with the division we are in…so youre giving up an awful lot for a luxury, not a necessity
And how are the Cubs supposed to rebuild the farm system when theyre continually trading away the best propects?
The Mets managed to get Santana without giving up their best prospect, Fernando Martinez…..so the Cubs should have similar leverage b/c they are bidding against themselves
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
I disagree
with the assessment that Peavy would be just a “luxury”. With Harden on the Dl all the time and Z’s woes at times, you almost gotta have another top notch starter. I’m sorry sean marshall can be a fill-in guy or a long relief guy but I just dont wanna be depending on a bunch of unknowns.
I dont disagree that its not the smartest idea in the worl but with 1-2 maybe 3 years were done anyway regardless of just 1 player. were saddled with a whole bunch of crappy contracts and old players. were in a win now or wait several more years mode.
I dont care who the new owner is as long as he/she/them come equipped with a Jake Peavy and a Joe Beimel!!!
by cubsluver22 on Jan 27, 2009 10:16 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, thats a good point
But the time Peavy spent on the DL is a red flag to me, no one knows for sure how deep he’ll be able to go in 09, and we should all be familiar with the plight of injured pitchers by now and how unreliable they can be
The Catch 22 , I suppose, would be by giving up Vitters, the wait several years mode could potentially be made even longer as the hitting prospect cupboards are bare with Vitters.
Any sort of resolution to this issue would be great at this point, but if we’re gonna se a no 44 next year, i hope its not Chad Fox
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
bren, I didn't say Vitters would fail;
I said the Cubs would mismanage him when they introduced him to the major leagues.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
If it were only that simple
I would dump Vitters in heartbeat for Jake Peavy. Just not Vitters and Marshall.
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
I would trade all of these posts for Jake Peavy.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Along with a post to be named later
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
but NOT a left handed post
Lou does not want to give up any left handed posts.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jan 27, 2009 8:36 PM CST up reply actions
I'd trade all of the Peavy posts
for Spring Training to start right now!
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jan 28, 2009 12:59 AM CST up reply actions
Is he still around?
Wily Mo that is
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
He played for the Nats last season
Don’t know if he’s signed for this year.
by Josh Timmers on Jan 28, 2009 12:07 AM CST up reply actions
I recall he had a player option on his contract
which he exercised. Hence, he remains a Nat.
Won’t Rob Dibble (new TV color commentator for the Nat) have fun analyzing Willy MO’s defense?
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jan 28, 2009 1:02 AM CST up reply actions
too bad
Peavy isnt lefty
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by Shanghai Badger on Jan 27, 2009 8:53 PM CST reply actions
Just being random.
Thought it fit in well with the general response to all the Peavy/Roberts posts.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jan 28, 2009 5:48 AM CST up reply actions
al u should just start deleting this crap
i think some people just like reading their own stuff on the internet
someone mentioned to make more of them
and others didnt realize it was a joke
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
Tell me what is Vitters' ceiling and then probable level against Peavy's ceiling and probable
Vitter’s ceiling is Madlock (1/10 chance) or Bagwell (3/10) or Moreland (3/10)
he could bust or he could be a player like Atkins on CO
Peavy is a 80/20 top ten pitcher next two years, 70/30 top ten pitcher 3-4 years and 50/50 in 5 years at the age of 32
Peavy puts this team over the top like Maddux did to Atlanta in ’93
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
Peavy's ceiling by the way
Cy Young in one of the next 2 years
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
but Ivy
peavy will need elbow surgery and vitters will be the best 3b in baseball years down the road. that was sarcasm by the way!
I dont care who the new owner is as long as he/she/them come equipped with a Jake Peavy and a Joe Beimel!!!
Wow I was about to flip out
U got me. O and were obviously gonna put peavy’s elbow through rigorous tests when we do the pysical. Will know what were getting.
all we have to fear is Bleed Cubbie Blue fear itself
sarcasm
I recall the world was against Derrick Lee for Hee Sop Choi,
Patterson was the next Lou Brock
Pie is the next Willie Mays
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
Well when do you give these kids a chance?
If youre so quick to trade them?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
The Cubs are built to win now and not in 4 to 5 years.
If they were in a rebuilding year I could see not trading them but when your system is not that deep and they want to win now then you need top trade the prospects in my opinion.
Understood
but when do you address the farm and the future, if we ignore it and go all out for the next 2-3 years and discard Vitters, then the team circa ’12 will be worse off and even further behind in terms of rebuilding, whereas if Vitters panned out, he could be a regular by ’12 and the key figure to the future.
I understand what youre saying, and your probably right, but they cant keep putting off the future-there has to be a plan besides relying on free agency.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
I think everyone should stop posting about JP or BR.
It’s getting annoying and it shows a lack of originality and inability to read other f-ing posts.
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
cant be any worse
than hearing sob stories about a fan getting laid off there job, then bragging about spending hundreds a buffet dinner.
I dont care who the new owner is as long as he/she/them come equipped with a Jake Peavy and a Joe Beimel!!!
Wow...
If you’re going to post personal attacks, at least get the spelling, grammar and punctuation correct.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jan 27, 2009 9:46 PM CST up reply actions
personal attack???
that wasnt a personal attack but if you put your personal life out there than expect opinion.
I dont care who the new owner is as long as he/she/them come equipped with a Jake Peavy and a Joe Beimel!!!
by cubsluver22 on Jan 27, 2009 10:18 PM CST up reply actions
Well, it wasn't my life, but it came across as an attack.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jan 27, 2009 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
I took it as a personal attack.
It needs to stop. I’d much rather read about the dinner in NYC than another one of these posts.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I would find it humorous
if Jake Peavy were traded for Brian Roberts.
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
Is Vitters untouchable
just like Rich Hill was last year?
Rich Hill is a pitcher, Josh Vitters is a hitting prospect
for starters
Erm, well if we are going to call Milton Bradley nicknames, mine is Fischer Price: yes, you heard it here first..
Hill was pretty good in 07
so their reluctance to trade him was somewhat understandable….I cant wait to see whats going to happen with him this spring
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
The odds are he will either be
traded or released before the season starts.
you dont think
he will be a Cy Young canidate this season? come back player of the year
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
Thanks for the update but I would
take a proven Cy Young award winner over a possible prospect.
Perhaps
we should keep Vitters, forget about Peavy, since our starting staff is already pretty good, and sign another formidable pitcher to replace Marquis. The Cubs won 97 games last year but performed poorly in the playoffs. Peavy has been dreadful in the playoffs. Why not sign someone that can win us 12 games like Marquis did such as Jon Garland or some other free agent pitcher. It would be cheaper than taking on Peavy’s contract. That staff should get us back to the playoffs and hopefully the new offense will perform better and the same starters from last year (all still on the team) will perform better as well.
by JJDiesel21 on Jan 27, 2009 9:53 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Very sound reasoning
I would tend to agree, but it doesnt appear to be the case. I wonder if Marquis wasnt due to make almost 10M if he’d still be here, hes got to be a better option than Braden Looper or some of these other no 5s we’ve heard
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
2 games 9.2 innings
12.10 ERA, no wins
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
So based on 9 innings
it has been determined that he does not pitch well in the playoffs. Dempster was not overly impressive last year in his only appearance in the playoffs.
I didnt say that, I was answering your question
I dont know who brought up his playoff stats
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
The thing is, I don't think we need to include Vitters in a deal
If Hendry wanted to back Towers into a corner, he could give him an offer similar to Johan Santana last off season.
Erm, well if we are going to call Milton Bradley nicknames, mine is Fischer Price: yes, you heard it here first..
Hopefully not, but
I would not let that stop me from making the deal.
I suspect
JP is secretly behind all these fanposts. He’s trying as hard as he can to get out of SD and into pinstripes. Vast Left Coast Conspiracy!
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jan 27, 2009 11:12 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
ARGH!
Good grief, if someone posts in the title of their fanshot that it is about Peavy, then don’t read it!. Why do certain people think they have to be the Fanpost police?
if someone posts in the title of their fanshot that it is about Peavy, then don’t read it!
you can’t police the fanpost police, dude.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 28, 2009 8:03 AM CST up reply actions
Hendry
needs to do something to give us a new topic….
all these Peavy threads are a rerun of each other
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
Here's what the trade will be...
Josh Vitters, Garrett Olson, Angel Guzman. And I won’t like it one bit.
I'd be SHOCKED if this trade happens.
Brian Roberts, part 2. From my simple perspective, blockbuster trades don’t happen this late in the offseason, period. Spring training starts in 2 weeks. If it hasn’t happened by now, I can’t see it happening. I think that ship has sailed. PErhaps I’ll be proven wrong, but I doubt it.
I agree with you.
If it doesn’t happen by the time pitchers & catchers report, it won’t happen till the trading deadline. If then.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
+44
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
Jake Peavy
vs Hurricane Ditka at a water polo match……..
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
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