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Hendry's Master Plan....is there one?

Hendry has not been a horrible GM by any means compared to many, and I do understand we are on a six game losing streak over the past two post-seasons, and changes may have been needed.

I am curious, just what is the master plan behind the moves this off-season, as I cannot connect them to improving the team. The moves bring more questions than answers, it seems.

I can only hope there is some kind of master plan that we are not aware of, as I am not sure that a team that won 97 games last season needed this much of an overhaul to improve.

The below list of moves (so far) does not include free agents we did not resign such as Blanco and Wood.

  1. 11/18/08 Re-signed RHP Ryan Dempster to a four-year contract.
  2. 11/13/08 Acquired RHP Kevin Gregg from the Florida Marlins in exchange for RHP Jose Ceda.
  3. 12/31/08 Acquired RHPs Jeff Stevens and Chris Archer and LHP John Gaub from the Cleveland Indians for INF Mark DeRosa. Signed INF Aaron Miles to a two-year contract.
  4. 12/16/08 Signed OF Joey Gathright to a one-year contract.
  5. 12/11/08 Acquired RHP David Patton from the Cincinnati Reds for a cash consideration.
  6. 1/18/09 Acquired LHP Garrett Olson and RHP Henry Williamson from the Baltimore Orioles for OF Felix Pie.
  7. 1/6/09 Traded RHP Jason Marquis to the Rockies for RHP Luis Vizcaino.
  8. 1/28/09 Traded INF Ronny Cedeno and left-handed pitcher Garrett Olson to Mariners for Aaron Heilman

 

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Peavy deal can still be made

Marshall basically replaces Olsen…

If the Peavy trade isn’t made, then the only disappointing deal is the DeRosa trade.

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jan 28, 2009 2:35 PM CST reply actions  

The DeRosa Trade...

… in my book was a good trade.

(1) By dealing DeRosa, you trimmed the payroll enough to basically get two lefty hitters in your lineup: LBR and Gameboard,
(2) Defense at 2nd base has improved from a -4 to a +3 (I think I got those numbers right),
(3) At age 34, we traded DeRosa high before his walk year,
(4) DeRosa will likely not repeat his 2008 numbers,
(5) While DeRosa played a super-sub role, he really wasn’t ever ticketed for that role – he was the Cubs everyday 2nd baseman. Miles will be that super-sub, and is coming in with the knowledge of fulfilling that role (as opposed to DeRosa fulfilling the role of a 2B),
(6) We supposedly received at least one pitcher back in that trade that could be used in a Peavy deal – only time will tell.

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by initram on Jan 28, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with all of this...

.. except #6, which appears to not be the case, at least right now. (It could be later.)

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jan 28, 2009 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree that

DeRo probably doesn’t repeat last year, but wish they could have got back someone who could get this year..

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jan 28, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Padres wanted both

This was a 7 player deal remember. Olsen, Marshall, Vitters, and Cedeno were all part of it. I don’t see any way of pulling this off now

"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher

by Musicdude10 on Jan 29, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm going to hold out hope

That they will get Roberts by the NWT deadline because he: 1. wants to be on a team that has a chance, 2. Hendry continues to move bodies around, 3. O’s can’t sign him to an extension by his deadline and 4. Cubs need a leadoff guy more than any other need right now.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Jan 28, 2009 2:48 PM CST reply actions  

blackhawk24

Hope ur right .. I agree with you . Especially your last sentence . Cubs NEED a LEADOFF guy more than any other position .. Sure Jake Peavy would be a great to have but Brian Roberts is a NEED .. Soriano is a power hitter . Should be placed lower in the batting order to utilize his power . Like Roberts alot , especially being a switchhitter to breakup any line up .. too heavey on rightys or leftys .. plus the fact he stole 40 bases , plus 82 walks , wear out the opposing pitchers , plus the fact he was ranked fourth in the AL for most runs scored , plus the fact he can add a few more outs with his range up the middle ,, defense wins , .. Hope you are tight blackhawk

by CUBFANINAZ on Jan 28, 2009 6:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Man, that is a really unfortunate typo...

…in the last five words of your comment.

Consistent. Championship. Tradition.

by daver on Jan 29, 2009 9:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jan 28, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Why not?

Heilman could take Marshall role in the bullpen? Use Marshall in the trade.

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Jan 28, 2009 11:26 PM CST up reply actions  

what is the big hang up around here with Blanco???

he’s an over aged crappy hitting backup catcher who is a above avg defensively “when healthy”. my gosh this is a non move and some of you just go on and on and on about it like its really even something worth print. Kinda like a bullpen coach—who cares?

wood was an overpriced closer with too much of a health risk. everyone got way too sentimentally close too him. He let us down as much as he helped us. He’s gone, get over it already. things change. so long, farewell too both of these, not really that big of a loss if any.

I dont care who the new owner is as long as he/she/them come equipped with a Jake Peavy and a Joe Beimel!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jan 28, 2009 3:06 PM CST reply actions  

but I miss kewwy wood

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by daver on Jan 28, 2009 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL

My desire to keep Wood was based on his effectiveness last year, not sentimentality. His time on the DL had nothing to do with his elbow or shoulder.

I think the Cubs would have been better off with Marmol setting up Wood again this year, than with (insert name here) setting up Marmol. I could be wrong, of course.

Virtually ANY backup catcher is going to be a mediocre hitter. Blanco actually hit well in 2008. It wasn’t likely he’d repeat that, but since he signed for $750K, there was really no reason to NOT keep him for one more season.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jan 28, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly.

Having heard Hendry’s side of the story a little more fully, I now accept that the Cubs simply had no intention of signing Kerry to a three-year deal. And I can’t accept that. But I still think it’s a damn shame they couldn’t have found a way to keep him around for another year or two – and not because he’s the “face of the franchise” or whatever. I just think Kerry had a solid first year as a closer and will probably get better this season.

About Blanco, I don’t think there are any reasonable Cubs fans lamenting his loss based on his bat. We want Hank White back because he was solid defensively and, more important, he has a great baseball head on his shoulders and, apparently, had a great relationship with our All Star, Rookie of the Year catcher. And I think that should count for something. But maybe Lou and Jim know something Blanco the rest of us don’t.

Consistent. Championship. Tradition.

by daver on Jan 28, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

again I disagree with you

If I’m building a team no way do I resign a backup catcher that went through a horrific tragedy like that. I would guess with alot of certainty that his head won’t be in the game like it needs to be. Besides its mute point to begin with. backup catcher is meaningless anyway. nothing to keep harping on.

I dont disagree wood would be better for 1 more year than what we got but not at no 10 million. he’s not worth anywhere close.

I dont care who the new owner is as long as he/she/them come equipped with a Jake Peavy and a Joe Beimel!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jan 28, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

If Blanco didn't think his head would be in the game, he would have retired.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jan 28, 2009 5:17 PM CST up reply actions  

oh really

you have talked to him??

I dont care who the new owner is as long as he/she/them come equipped with a Jake Peavy and a Joe Beimel!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jan 28, 2009 5:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow Al,

a little emphatic are we?? Twice LOL

by chrisw95 on Jan 28, 2009 5:23 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL

Whoops, I’ll delete one of them.

What I posted there is my opinion. I think it’s pretty self-evident, that a player Blanco’s age would retire if he didn’t think he could keep his head in the game due to personal issues.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jan 28, 2009 5:25 PM CST up reply actions  

True

I’m inclined to agree, even though he may have had close to a career year last year, but I still woudl have prefered to see him with the Cubs.
Finances dicatated otherwise though.

by chrisw95 on Jan 28, 2009 6:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it's the mentoring factor that gets me

Whether or not it’s true, I attribute Geo’s rise to Blanco. Why not keep the best backup catcher in baseball if he doesn’t cost you any more than Bako?

Plus I really very unpleasant memories of Paul Bako.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jan 28, 2009 6:12 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I think

Blanco was a good backup and mentor

by CUBFANINAZ on Jan 28, 2009 6:54 PM CST up reply actions  

He was a great clubhouse guy

And he flat out did his job. He worked his butt off. He out performed many starting catchers. In addition, the role of a backup catcher is defensive for the most part. But he handled the staff with incredible poise and leadership. If memory serves, Maddux asked for him every time he started. He also caught a lot for Big Z to calm him down. You telling me that you’d rather have Bako?

"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher

by Musicdude10 on Jan 29, 2009 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Finances?

We’re going to sign Bako for $500,000, but couldn’t afford $750,000 for Blanco?

At the new premium game bleacher price, that’s only 4,166 bleacher tickets — less than one home crowd’s worth.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jan 28, 2009 7:55 PM CST up reply actions  

It's Not The Finances...

…and it not the left handedness of Bako. It’s that Blanco’s defensive capabilities degraded last year, and will likely continue to decline.

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by initram on Jan 28, 2009 8:17 PM CST up reply actions  

That may be true.

I feel compelled to point out that Bako is almost the same age as Blanco (less than a year younger). I can’t imagine Bako’s defensive skills are getting any better, either.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jan 28, 2009 8:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with Al on this one...

…Bako is lefty, but he can’t hit a lick, so it really doesn’t matter which side he hits from.

I liked Blanco, and if you talk to knowledgeable people, he was considered one of the top five defensive catchers in the game, even as a backup. The dude had a good attitude and good leadership skills as well. This one does baffle me a bit.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jan 28, 2009 10:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Intangeables

is Blanco tutored Geo, Bako didn’t. Their both of the same culture too; that helps a lot with the kid. Hmmm, same thing the Cubs appeared to have done for Domer these past two offseasons; bring in another Japanese guy to help Domer out.

Don’t underestimate these. Unfortunately Hendry did IMHO.

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by blackhawk24 on Jan 29, 2009 10:05 AM CST up reply actions  

I know I may be wrong

but what evidence do you have that his defense has declined?

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jan 28, 2009 8:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm inclined to agree with you on this...

…but I’d still like to read a sabremagician’s take on Blanco’s defense. Is there any statistical evidence that he was a poorer backstop?

FWIW, and I know it’s not worth much, in 45 games this past season, Henry committed two errors and allowed three passed balls, but those numbers aren’t drastically out of line with previous years. He appeared in only 14 games in ’07 and committed no errors and allowed two passed balls. And he appeared in 69 games in ’06, committing one error and allowing two passed balls.

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by daver on Jan 29, 2009 10:03 AM CST up reply actions  

actually

and please correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Blanco have a 3 mil option??
Maybe Hendry had no clue he woudl have signed for 750, not that he asked either, but its possible he (Hendry) felt he was too pricey.
But considering what he did sign for, it is a shame we may have Bako instead.

by chrisw95 on Jan 28, 2009 9:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe

but that is a huge difference in price. He may have been asking for more, but I doubt it was that much of a difference.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jan 28, 2009 9:42 PM CST up reply actions  

There was an option, but it was declined.

Once that happened, they could have made a lower offer, but didn’t. It’s still mystifying.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jan 29, 2009 4:23 AM CST up reply actions  

It's "moot" point.

Mute is what you do to your tv during commercials.

by sue369 on Jan 28, 2009 7:13 PM CST up reply actions  

oh really

thank you so very much. what a great job your doing policing grammar on the internet. again thank you, you have taught me so very much.

I dont care who the new owner is as long as he/she/them come equipped with a Jake Peavy and a Joe Beimel!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jan 28, 2009 9:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Correcting someone's spelling

certainly beats actually having an intelligent, productive comment.

by bluekoolaide on Jan 28, 2009 9:35 PM CST up reply actions  

some

never post their opinions. they either agree or make themselves feel better by pointing out grammar mistakes on the internet. I mean it must make you a better fan of the chicago cubs or something.

I dont care who the new owner is as long as he/she/them come equipped with a Jake Peavy and a Joe Beimel!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jan 28, 2009 9:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I have an idea.

If you don’t like what someone says, why don’t you just ignore it? It was a simple correction. Instead, you turned it into a personal attack.

I suggest you stop.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jan 29, 2009 4:23 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

It seems like

Hendry has an agenda that he is building for. Might be (yet) another trade, maybe he is thinking he can find lightening in a bottle again. Until ST starts, I will not believe that this team as it stands is what Lou is taking to the season with him.

Unless, Hendry figures “If Lou cannot figure out what this team is on paper, neither can opposing teams” making it hard for them to prepare a game plan.

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 28, 2009 3:15 PM CST reply actions  

DeRo trade makes no sense

if a bigger deal isn’t made…

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jan 28, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

YES

I hope it is a setup for bigger things to come .. Had to clear salary .. But for WHO ??

by CUBFANINAZ on Jan 28, 2009 6:35 PM CST up reply actions  

The DeRo trade was made to clear salary

in order to sign Milton Bradley.

In effect, we traded one for the other.

by bluekoolaide on Jan 28, 2009 9:40 PM CST up reply actions  

We say this every offseason.

Sometimes, there is no bigger plan.

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by D98 on Jan 29, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Shouldn't we wait

until opening day to have this discussion?

by leothelip on Jan 28, 2009 3:40 PM CST reply actions  

Well, We Should At Least Wait...

… until we have a disposition on Peavy. Regardless of what anyone says here, this has not been resolved yet…

My 2008 Christmas wish list includes this jersey. In Hendry We Trust! Current 2009 payroll.

by initram on Jan 28, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

You may not get that resolution till LONG after Opening Day.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jan 28, 2009 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Which May Be Ok...

… when will we really need Peavy? Ideally, at the trade deadline…

My 2008 Christmas wish list includes this jersey. In Hendry We Trust! Current 2009 payroll.

by initram on Jan 28, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

NO

It’s the middle of winter

by CUBFANINAZ on Jan 28, 2009 6:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Does Every Thread

turn into a Peavy ghost hunt?

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 28, 2009 4:12 PM CST reply actions  

Yes, and don't cross the streams.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 28, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

haha

nice one- I guess Peavy is the Gatekeeper and we’re still looking for the Keymaster

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jan 28, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm now associating Peavy with negative emotions

Not because of the guy himself, rather all the talk about him! When exactly does this eclipse the BR talk of ‘07-’08?

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jan 28, 2009 6:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it has

Hendry didnt make moves last year seemingly pointing towards a Roberts deal, so I think this has surpassed that already

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jan 28, 2009 6:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree

Someone needs to come up with an Excel spreadsheet to help us determine when these sort of things eclispe each other haha.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jan 28, 2009 7:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Hendry is a God, but

remember He did create man, so everyone is entitled to make at least one mistake

If you had to choose just one characteristic that would get you through life, choose a sense of humor.

by Clutche on Jan 28, 2009 4:19 PM CST reply actions  

Simply,

nod, smile, and keep moving before they say more…..

by chrisw95 on Jan 28, 2009 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

this is when

you cross the streams

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 28, 2009 5:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Are you saying that this team isn't better than the 2008 team?

Even if we don’t get Peavy we’ve still improved by quite a bit.

by Wreckard on Jan 28, 2009 4:23 PM CST reply actions  

Thats debateable

The 08 team was very fortunate, in that it benefitted from several career years, not to mention taking on Bradley after his own career year-so they would have to repeat or exceed those for the 09 team to be better, or other players will have to have similar breakthroughs

Say what you will about the trade, but DeRosa is a better player than Miles, our CF combo has less power, our RF is more injury prone, our 5th starters are unproven and our bullpen is in flux

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jan 28, 2009 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

regardless of the 2009 personnel

at this point if we can stay healthy we were seemingly gonna get to the playoffs. its anyone’s guess what will happen after that but what I wouldnt give to play the yankees in the series and beat em.

I dont care who the new owner is as long as he/she/them come equipped with a Jake Peavy and a Joe Beimel!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jan 28, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Even if Bradley reverts to his really good pre-2008 numbers, rather than repeating his extraordinarily good 2008 numbers, he’s still a huge improvement over what we had in right field last season.

Half our center field is still here. The other half was by far the least likely of all the 2008 performances to repeat itself.

Miles won’t be the starting 2b, Fontenot will be. That’s the only debatable marginal loss. Our bullpen is deeper than it was and if Gregg ends up the closer (leaving Marmol in the high-leverage situations), should be just as effective.

When you total at an aggregated stat such as WAR, the 2009 Cubs aren’t just a better team, they’re quite a bit better.

by Wreckard on Jan 28, 2009 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

Consistent. Championship. Tradition.

by daver on Jan 28, 2009 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

2008 and 2009

we will benefit from a weak division, which will allow us to get to the play offs, it is what we can accomplish there that matters. are we better now for October, hard to say.

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 28, 2009 5:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Lee is an important piece of that puzzle.

If he rebounds, especially w/r/t power, the offense could be improved.
If his career decline continues, the team could be in trouble.

There is no doubt that CF will be substantially less productive this year. I sincerely doubt that we have another 135 OPS+ season in store with Dome and Reed and Gathright.

It’s a given that RF will be improved, as Dome was just horrific last year.

It’s likely, but not a given, that 2B will be less productive. DeRosa had a career year, and even he would be likely to regress. Fontenot can hit, so we’ll have to see how he does playing every day.

We all hope that Soto improves as he enters his prime, but we can’t expect another giant leap forward like he showed last year. For better or worse, Theriot is going to be Theriot. Aramis is going to be Aramis, and Soriano is going to be Soriano.

The wild card is Lee. He could be a plus offensive player, or he could be a gigantic drag on the team.

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by D98 on Jan 29, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

The move that mystifies is Mark DeRosa

We saved net around $2.5 million in 2009 when you factor in the savings from trading DeRosa combined with the addition of Aaron Miles. And for what? Three rather non-exciting pitching prospects.

by BLou on Jan 28, 2009 4:35 PM CST reply actions  

Selling high???

We dumped Mark DeRosa and saved $2.5 million in the process because we wanted to “sell high”??? DeRosa was invaluable member of the Cubs in 2007 and 2008, and was playing on a favorable contract with only one year left. We got 3 suspects more than prospects from Cleveland.

by BLou on Jan 28, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Is there a need to sell high when youre in a win now mode?

I agree, there was no need to sell high on DeRosa, regardless of what you think of the deal-if the team is built to win now, three middling prospects from Cleveland wont help much down the road anyway, so might as well keep him and hope he can perform somewhere in line with his 2 Cubs years

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jan 28, 2009 5:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Milton Bradley

may or may not have been as attainable if we had not dumped DeRo and Marquis.

Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Jan 28, 2009 5:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Not with the new owners

Everyone is assuming they’ll approve the 63M, so if they did that, why wouldnt they approve Bradleys 30M? its not even guaranteed, and Im sure they wouldve moved Marquis regardless

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jan 28, 2009 6:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Why do folks keep saying that?

“Selling high” is a valid statement only if you get something of high value in return. And I think it’s safe to say at this point, we did NOT get high value in return.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jan 28, 2009 5:33 PM CST up reply actions  

You're right.

But maybe Hendry isn’t done.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jan 28, 2009 5:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Can't be done

He’s got some pitchers to deal…

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jan 28, 2009 6:11 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah, I did couch my comment with "at this point"

and I can certainly wait until Opening Day or even Trading Deadline and see what becomes of the Three Little Indians we got, but if they don’t produce anything useful (JaBri PeaBerts for instance), then I gotta give Hendry a C- on this one.

Of course, wearing my Indians hat, I love this trade. Absolutely love it!

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jan 28, 2009 7:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes C -

IF no jabripearoberts B with Peavy . b+ Roberts .. A+++ and a gold star IF Hendry gets both

by CUBFANINAZ on Jan 28, 2009 7:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he did that on purpose.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jan 29, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh, I get it now.

Consistent. Championship. Tradition.

by daver on Jan 29, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Maybe

but he should still try to maximize value in every deal, regardless of what he may do in the future.

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Jan 28, 2009 9:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Technically

we got Bradley for part of the dollars shed from DeRo’s departure.

Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Jan 28, 2009 5:51 PM CST up reply actions  

well, technically, wouldn't that mean we got "part" of Bradley with the DeRosa dollars?

I wonder what part… ;-)

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jan 28, 2009 7:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Huh?!?!

The Cubs are trying to win a World Series in 2009 ! Who gives a crap about Mark DeRosa potentially walking away as a free agent a year from now ! Fact is DeRosa was playing on a very fair contract and was a great player for us in 2007 and 2008.

by BLou on Jan 28, 2009 6:01 PM CST up reply actions  

lets worry about after 2009

then not now

I dont care who the new owner is as long as he/she/them come equipped with a Jake Peavy and a Joe Beimel!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jan 28, 2009 6:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree with BLou

Time is now to take it all .. Cubs are close with the players they have .. Still would like to see Peavy and Roberts ..

by CUBFANINAZ on Jan 28, 2009 6:42 PM CST up reply actions  

It's only selling high if you get a high price.

I am still surprised that Mark DeRosa didn’t even bring a useful major league part, or interesting prospect.

If that’s selling high, I hate to see what we get when we’re selling low.

No, wait. We saw that with the Pie trade. Selling low sets a sequence of events into motion that culminates with…. Aaron Heilman.

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by D98 on Jan 29, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

So we could afford Bradley

Bradley + Fontenot > Fukudome + Derosa

by Wreckard on Jan 28, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

two years ago

most were bitching because Walker was on the outs and DeRosa was coming in to replace him.

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by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 28, 2009 5:29 PM CST up reply actions  

we traded derosa because of three letters,

L B R

in Lou we trust?....guess there's not much of a choice

by kylejo on Jan 28, 2009 10:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Lou's Big Rearend?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jan 28, 2009 10:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Likely Brian Roberts?

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by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 29, 2009 6:37 AM CST up reply actions  

I have made my opinions...

…both good and bad pretty clear on Hendry, but for 09, I can’t judge his work until he is done and I don’t believe he is.

Hendry can sign guys and get deals done, but his failure to produce a decent stream of young talent has put him in a tough spot to keep going the FA and trade route. As I have said before, I would really like to see the new owner to bring an experienced baseball man onboard, and use him to fill the holes Hendry has in his skill set.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jan 28, 2009 4:37 PM CST reply actions  

And who do you have in mind

as an “experienced baseball man?”

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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Jan 28, 2009 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Steal Dallas Green...

…away from the Phils, the same way the Hawks got Bowman from the wings.

I know these are different circumstances, but Green would provide an ingrediant this organization has been missing since he left in the late 80’s.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jan 28, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Yea, whatever.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jan 28, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with you, MPH73.

This would be exactly the same move that the Blackhawks made by bringing Scotty Bowman on as a consultant. There would be no harm in hiring Green as a consultant to Hendry, if Green’s interested in coming out of retirement to do so. He’s almost 75 years old.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jan 28, 2009 5:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe he could be hired away from them.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jan 28, 2009 5:49 PM CST up reply actions  

He is...

…that is why I likened the situation to the Hawks taking Bowman away from the Wings. I know Bowman came to work with his son, but the Phils just won a WS and I am sure Green feels there was some unfinished business with the Cubs.

Not unlike Bowman (who I believe is 72-73 years old), Green is a guy who still seems to have some fire in the belly. Another key, is Green and Piniella get along swimmingly, and have similar philosophies. For 2-3 years, I think it could possibly help them get over the hump.

Hendry would still be the GM – making trades, signing guys, but Green could help point him in the right direction, just like Bowman has been doing with Tallon and the Hawks.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jan 28, 2009 10:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Remember Sandberg ?

Dallas made sure he brought Sandberg along

by CUBFANINAZ on Jan 28, 2009 6:44 PM CST up reply actions  

That's a helluva idea

Some outside the box thinking there, but I like it. Green has helped bring two World Series winners to Philadelphia now, so maybe he’d want to cement his executive legacy by helping the Cubs win.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Bill Potter on Jan 29, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm just saying

that it is plenty easy to say we need to go out and get a “baseball mind.” Things were much different for the Hawks. Rocky Wirtz changed the entire way that the franchise operated. McDonough came in and shook things up as well. With the Cubs, there is a lot more uncertainty about the way that the team will operate in the short-term future, both because of the economy and the ownership issues. Who knows if it would be as easy to put such a “baseball mind” in place.

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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Jan 28, 2009 5:53 PM CST up reply actions  

One other way to look at this most recent trade ???

Perhaps Jim Hendry was given the word that Tom Ricketts wants the payroll capped at where it is. Hence putting an end to all pursuit of Jake Peavy. Leading Hendry to come up with a “Plan B” to fill out the final spot for the rotation in the form of the inexpensive Aaron Heilman. Also, it’s quite possible Garrett Olson was acquired from Baltimore expressly for purpose of including him in a Peavy deal and that Kevin Towers thinks more highly of Olson than does Hendry.

I don’t adhere belief necessarily, but it could be plausible…

by BLou on Jan 28, 2009 4:53 PM CST reply actions  

Anything is possible...

…if indeed the Ricketts will be financing about 500 mil of the purchase, they will have 30-40 million in annual expenses the Tribune didn’t have to worry about. In my estimation, that amount would have to eat up a big piece of the current profits (possibly all). Without immediate new revenue sources, the Rickett’s would have to be willing to lose money to get the payroll any higher than it already is.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jan 28, 2009 4:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Which is why you'll see them exploring new revenue sources immediately...

… such as a Cubs TV network.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jan 28, 2009 5:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Hendry.Can't.Be.Done.

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by initram on Jan 28, 2009 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Disagree

Other than inking Paul Bako, adding another utility infielder and dumping Rich Hill and Michael Wuertz I firmly believe Hendry is done. Interesting fallout from all of this is that Jeff Samardizija is clearly headed back to Des Moines. The bullpen all of a sudden is very crowded.

by BLou on Jan 28, 2009 5:02 PM CST up reply actions  

So, Hendry Will Sit On...

… $7.5-10M?

Payroll is approximately at $135.7M

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by initram on Jan 28, 2009 5:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

Sounds like some teams may be cutting payroll early due to the recession. Hence maybe why Hendry’s stockpiling arms.. He basically moved DeRo, Cedeno and Pie for 4 arms.

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jan 28, 2009 5:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Make that

5 arms

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jan 28, 2009 5:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe they got Olson cause

Seattle likes him and Hendry likes Heilman..

The DeRo deal’s a baffler, unless someone else really likes Stevens’ potential.. Just doesn’t make sense for a team playing to win now considering they saved little money…

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by CubFaninCA on Jan 28, 2009 5:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I bet he got Olson

because Balt was offering him. Not sure he had any intention other than that.

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by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 28, 2009 5:34 PM CST up reply actions  

No

Thanks for asking.

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Jan 28, 2009 5:02 PM CST reply actions  

Gathright signing?

This is the only one I have a problem with so far. Why couldn’t Pie be the extra outfielder instead of Gathright? Pie has more upside than Gathright.

by Rick B on Jan 28, 2009 6:02 PM CST reply actions  

Simple...

… Sweet Lou would refuse to play him. I’d rather play Gathright then have a 24-man roster.

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by initram on Jan 28, 2009 8:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly.

Pie was done with the Cubs. Hendry did him a favor by trading him to Baltimore where it appears he’ll get a ton of ABs to show what he has (or hasn’t).

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by daver on Jan 29, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions  

yeah he is

but both are both positions are hand in hand so to speak. 1 needs the other equally. if one fails both can get the boot.

I dont care who the new owner is as long as he/she/them come equipped with a Jake Peavy and a Joe Beimel!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jan 29, 2009 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm a big fan on Hendry

I think he’s done a great job so far. However, I don’t like the direction he’s taken this offseason. This was a 97 win team last year. Most of us decided the team didn’t need major changes, just minor tweaks. I would consider this a pretty big difference from last year.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jan 28, 2009 6:19 PM CST reply actions  

So Far

The Cubs didn’t add any superstars to help put them over the top . Time will tell with Bradley . He could be a make or break player .. Hoping Bradley has a career year ..

by CUBFANINAZ on Jan 28, 2009 6:50 PM CST up reply actions  

True

I have questioned Hendry in the past and for the vast majority of his moves, he’s been right.

I think we can say the Pierre trade is the only real blackeye he has.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jan 28, 2009 6:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Hendry

My opinion Hendry is one of the best GM ’ s

by CUBFANINAZ on Jan 28, 2009 6:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Hendry cannot win

If he did nothing, we would be here complaining about him sitting on his hands not trying to improve. With the moves he has made, we are all playing fantasy GM complaining about the ones he has made, and the ones we want that have not been made.

He is not the best, but far from a bad GM. I have faith in him, it just boggles me at times as to what he is doing.

I like that he is not afraid to shake things up after going 0-6 the last two post seasons, but I do wonder just what the goal of all these strange moves are.

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 28, 2009 7:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I do too

 I am glad Hendry is not sitting around . I too am confused on this latest trade with Olson . From what I read in papers and hear on tv … I truely thought Towers liked this kid Olson .. And I really thought he would be included in a Peavy deal . Now is there going to be a Peavy deal ? Has me confused . And Hendry cleared some money off the books . Not signing Wood , trading DeRosa , .. I still think Hendry is not done yet . But he has me baffled with his moves . He is loading up big time on pitching .. Too many pitchers as a matter of fact .

by CUBFANINAZ on Jan 28, 2009 7:26 PM CST up reply actions  

But

Too many pitchers is a good problem to have…usually

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by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 28, 2009 7:27 PM CST up reply actions  

True

A good problem at trading deadline .. Some pitchers are going to get hurt on some team . Just a Given .

by CUBFANINAZ on Jan 28, 2009 7:32 PM CST up reply actions  

even without injuries

teams will be looking for arms in trades, either to make a run this season or to retool for next year

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 28, 2009 7:33 PM CST up reply actions  

so the question is

are these moves for before ST or Trade Deadline?

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by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 28, 2009 7:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Let them blend in

To be one of the guys ..and get used to the coaches and manager . Would be easier on coaches too . To see how a player fits in .

by CUBFANINAZ on Jan 28, 2009 7:38 PM CST up reply actions  

A BIG FISH

Hendry is not done . I have faith in him to land a big fish

by CUBFANINAZ on Jan 28, 2009 7:33 PM CST reply actions  

Dan Marino?

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by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 28, 2009 7:34 PM CST up reply actions  

This kind of big fish?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jan 28, 2009 7:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Latest MLBTR post says the Peavy talks are...

not cooking

So with everyone assuming that the moves of the past six weeks were aimed at gathering the necessary pieces to acquire Peavy, the level of angst that followed todays deal is quite understandable.

But if he wanted Heilman all along, it begs the question, why didnt he get him directly from either the Mets (for Marquis) or from Seattle-they needed a CFer after trading away Jones, but in that instance we can assume the liked Olson.

So, why then, wouldnt they have just consumated a three way deal instead of wasting the time negotiating with Baltimore before turning to Seattle?

Hendrys having quite a convoluted offseason, nothing seems to be leading A directly to B

this could lead one to believe that at some point this month Peavy was back in play only to fall through again b/c of the cost in terms of money or players.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jan 28, 2009 7:45 PM CST reply actions  

Maybe he did want to trade Marquis directly to the Mets...

… but they didn’t want him.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jan 28, 2009 7:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Or

they wanted him, but wanted us to eat a lot of his contract

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 28, 2009 8:01 PM CST up reply actions  

That seems likely.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jan 28, 2009 8:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I suppose

I guess Im more curious about why they went for Olson in the first place

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jan 28, 2009 8:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Supposedly...

… a little further down, Olney thinks it will happen.

Let’s just wait and see.

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by initram on Jan 28, 2009 8:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I wonder

If Towers is sitting back laughing at Hendry running around like a chicken with its head cut off trying to get the arms for a Peavy dael

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 28, 2009 7:50 PM CST reply actions  

I wonder

where you get the logic for this sort of post.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jan 28, 2009 8:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I dont know

seeing as this is the first time anyone here has posted about a trade for Peavy and the need for young arms to make the trade happen

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 28, 2009 8:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Hendry had a deal for Peavy

He pulled out. And for a good reason. So I’m not seeing your logic. If he’s running around trying to get young arms so he can make the Peavy trade without giving up Vitters and Marshall then I fail to see how this makes Hendry the fool and Towers the guy laughing.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jan 28, 2009 8:16 PM CST up reply actions  

sarcasm in truth

Towers sees Hendry running around like mad, lets Towers know that Hendry is drooling at the trade, meaning Towers can ask for more then he should receive.

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 28, 2009 8:28 PM CST up reply actions  

But you sorta make my point

Towers wanted Vitters, Hendry ain’t giving him up.

If this is all part of Hendry’s plan to get Peavy than Hendry wins because not only does he keep the guys he wanted AND gets Peavy, he did so by shipping off prospects SD didn’t want (Pie, Cedeno, etc…) to get him.

That might have been confusing. Did it make sense?

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jan 28, 2009 8:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Hendry wouldn't trade Pie for Brian Roberts, either.

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by D98 on Jan 29, 2009 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

I Highly Doubt...

…KT is laughing. He likely is updating his resume…

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by initram on Jan 28, 2009 8:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey, hes in a tough spot

If I were a GM, i wouldnt envy him one bit

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jan 28, 2009 8:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Why would he be doing any laughing?

Why would he care what Jim Hendry, who as any baseball fan knows has a much better baseball team that Kevin Towers does, is up to?

Moving foward, the Cubs don’t NEED Jake Peavy to be contend. In it’s own backhanded way, Hendry showed that today.

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by Rage and Grace on Jan 28, 2009 11:06 PM CST up reply actions  

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