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The Role of Aaron Miles

This fairly substantial St. Louis Post-Dispatch article showed up in my Yahoo! news feed today. It describes the crisis of conscience recent Cubs signee Aaron Miles faced when choosing between the team that "made [his] career happen" (boo, hiss!) and the one offering a bit more guaranteed money (oh, baby!).

One might say he was torn between two lovers, feelin' like a fool...ahem...

Star-divide

More interestingly, the article offers seemingly contradictory clues as to what Miles' role will be on the Cubs this year. At one point, reporter Derrick Goold states that the Cubs "[are] going to clear a spot for him in the lineup," which implies (to me at least) that he'll be a starter.

But then Goold immediately follows that up with, "He may play multiple positions for the Cubs," which implies (again, to me at least) that he'll be the utility guy most of us expect him to be.

So which is it, BCB faithful? Let's take it to a poll...

 

Poll
What will Aaron Miles' role be on the 2009 Chicago Cubs?
He will be the starting second baseman.
10 votes
He will platoon with LBR at second base.
60 votes
He will compete with LBR in spring training and win the second base position.
3 votes
He will compete with LBR in spring training and lose the second position.
22 votes
C'mon, Daver, pound sand: He was benchward bound from the get-go.
22 votes

117 votes | Poll has closed

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of SB Nation or Al Yellon, managing editor (unless it's a FanPost posted by Al). FanPost opinions are valued expressions of opinion by passionate and knowledgeable baseball fans.

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I actually see a different option

He will get regular playing time (500 or so at-bats) by being a super-sub. I think that’s what the Post-Dispatch was saying.

Miles will get playing time at second and short, some third and a handful of outfield time.

by elgato on Jan 4, 2009 10:54 AM CST reply actions  

I guess that's possible...

…but I think it would take a significant injury to Aramis or Theriot for Miles to get 500 ABs.

Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.

by daver on Jan 4, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I think similarly - although not quite 500 ABs, especially as Lou sees him more.

Miles has been brought in to be what Lou wanted DeRosa to be, but DeRosa played too well to be. Additionally, Miles is a switch-hitter and Lou would prefer to have poorer hitters who are left-handed, than actual talent.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Jan 4, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

For starters,

I don’t know how a St. Louis writer would know how Lou plans on using Miles. But if Elgato is correct and Miles does get 500 AB’s, the Cubs will make the division race close than it has to be. There is no position on this team at which he makes for an upgrade, not in the infield or outfield. He should be nothing more than a backup plan in case of injury and giving him anything more than a spot start here and there would be a big mistake. He had a career year last season and was merely a league average player. Giving league average players 500 AB’s is not what an above-average team should be doing.

by dakoose on Jan 4, 2009 11:04 AM CST reply actions  

I see a balance between...

elgato and dakose’s post. While I don’t think Miles will see 500 AB, I don’t think the Cubbies are dishing out that kind of money for a spot starter… I think we’ll see Miles providing the flexibility (mind you not the quality) that DeRosa brought to the table. We may even see him start the season as our starter at 2nd (UGH!), but when Lou bounces Miles around the infield, I’m expecting a decline as this dude is not DeRosa.
I think he’ll be well-received by fans and do just fine – perhaps 350-400 AB next season at a .280 clip?

by socalicubsfan on Jan 4, 2009 11:15 AM CST reply actions  

there's no way

that Miles in 2009 will be as good as DeRosa was in 2008. But that’s only a part of the equation. Trading DeRo should allow the Cubs to sign Bradley and give more playing time to Fontenot. And, of course, possibly make more moves.

But without getting into anything beyond Bradley, do you think Miles-Bradley-Fontenot will be better in 2009 than DeRosa-Edmonds-Fontenot would have been? If you do, then you’re probably unhappy with recent moves. But Edmonds is really getting up there in age and there’s no guarantee he would have come cheaply. Plus, Fontenot could really blossom.

I know — Bradley could get hurt, Miles could regress (a lot) and Fontenot could turn into a pumpkin.

But if all, or some, of that happens, we should remember that none of our opponents in the Central have really improved AND that we can make moves midseason. Hell, we could make more moves before the season starts.

However, none of this provides Hendry or Lou immunity if the DeRosa trade/Miles signing/Bradley signing/Edmonds departure/Fontenot promotion don’t work out.

by elgato on Jan 4, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Assuming the roster stays roughly as is in the infield...

I think we’ll see a sort of 3-way rotation in the middle infield, with Fontenot, Theriot, and Miles splitting time. The exact split will depend upon who produces offensively. I’d guess Theriot will still see the majority of the time at short though, with the platoon aspect being more on the 2B side.

by SouthernCub on Jan 4, 2009 11:56 AM CST reply actions  

Yeah, I think this is how I'm seeing things, too.

I could see Miles being used at third to rest Aramis as well.

Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.

by daver on Jan 4, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Just guessin' based on last year...

LBR is one of Lou’s favorites, but Lou has learned that there are certain types of pitchers that LBR can hit and certain ones he can’t. Therefore, I think that LBR will start whenever a RHP that Lou thinks he can hit is on the mound — probably about 60% of starts vs. RHPs.

Miles will get the remaining 40% of starts vs. RHP and all the starts against LHP.

My concern is that, while Miles has stood in the OF before, he hasn’t worked out extensively as an OF as DeRo did with the Rangers. If Lou thinks Miles can spell Gameboard adequately, he is sadly mistaken. OTOH, perhaps that is why the Cubs are going with 5 OFs next season. That means either carrying only one backup MI (trading Onedec) or going without a backup 1B in Hoffpauir. Miles can also stand at 3B if Ramy needs a day off, but his arm is no better than LBR’s.

From Lou’s perspective, the good thing is that they haven’t promised Miles an everyday job (as they had with DeRo), so he can feel free to play favorites.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Jan 4, 2009 12:18 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah

I don’t think, with speedy Gathright on board, that Miles will see any time in the OF.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Jan 4, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Between Gathright and Johnson, I agree...

unless Piniella changes his mind about Johnson or gets fed up with Gathright.

by SouthernCub on Jan 4, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Too true

They already have six outfielders* (seven if you include Hoffpauir), so even though Pie will be gone, there’s no room for Miles in the OF unless there are multiple injuries.

*including FA RF TBA (Bradley)

"Who's Bob Brenly? The guy that used to be the manager for Arizona?" ~ Alfonso Guilleard Soriano

by JohnM on Jan 5, 2009 5:45 AM CST up reply actions  

HOT HAND

Miles is slated to be the top utility player with the inherent promise to compete for a starting position (2B) but he is there to back up SS, 3B and possibly be inserted as an OF’er in a pinch when Piniella uses his full bench in game situations.

Miles will start when he has a hot hand or lines up with a pitcher that he has great success or when Piniella likes him against a RH’d pitcher but I see Fontenot will start more because of Fonty’s power.

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Jan 4, 2009 12:43 PM CST reply actions  

Ivy Walls...

The Ove Glove is perhaps my favorite stocking stuffer from two Christmases ago… HIGHLY recommended!

by socalicubsfan on Jan 4, 2009 6:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Retrospect all this is way too early to discuss as the roster is not set

Right Field is still empty so to speak

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Jan 4, 2009 12:47 PM CST reply actions  

wish we had

him to fill the void

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Jan 4, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

actually here is the best RF'er who donned a Cubs uniform

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Jan 4, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Did you just recently discover how to make pictures?

You seem to have gotten carried away, posting an inordinate amount of pictures when words would suffice over the past couple of days. Nothing wrong with it so much as it just seems like every post of yours now has a picture.

by SouthernCub on Jan 4, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

you know who the ..... are you

weren’t you the one who found problems with so many words? Aren’t pictures worth a thousand words

but actually

you are like a soon to be ex-girlfriend who takes extra measure in finding fault for your own purposes and snipping….

so take the full measure of this metaphor….there is a term for this

as in female

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Jan 4, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow, way to overreact...

And no, I wasn’t the one who had a problem with you using too many words.

What an unnecessarily rude response you’ve made. I just view excessive pictures like I view excessive use of caps – unnecessary.

A picture is indeed worth a thousand words – but when you only need two words to make your point, the picture is kind of overkill, no?

by SouthernCub on Jan 4, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

No.

Welcome to the internets!

Bleed Cubbie Blue: Like Drāno for your internet tubes.

by znohitter on Jan 4, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Holy crap.

I finally won a pointless argument on the internet.

THIS IS THE YEAR!

Bleed Cubbie Blue: Like Drāno for your internet tubes.

by znohitter on Jan 4, 2009 6:34 PM CST up reply actions  

OHH!!!

Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.

by daver on Jan 4, 2009 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

so does Lou....

New sig currently under construction

by JB 23 on Jan 4, 2009 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Man, you're really picture-happy today.

Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.

by daver on Jan 4, 2009 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Reading this article this actually seems like a very good insider signing

I really trust LaRussa and if Miles was his favorite and earned AB’s and playing time against better talent it bodes well for competing with Fonty and Theriot for PT as they are also overachievers and workers. All three will be honed and Piniella will use this to its fullest getting tremendous production.

This will drive the fantasy leagues bonkers for none will actually be starters. If the Cubs indeed get Roberts it will reduce the PT of Fonty if he stays.

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Jan 4, 2009 2:20 PM CST reply actions  

I think it's time to move on from the Roberts discussion...

Actually, it’s probably almost year past the point where we should move on from the Roberts discussion.

But it’s especially true now. Getting Roberts will cost prospects/players, which will prevent trading for a good RF. And getting Roberts would eliminate the flexibility to address RF.

by SouthernCub on Jan 4, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

you are being consistent

as in expressing such informed emotions, trying to snipe trouble is this discussion continues even in the mainstream so it is relevant regardless of your opinion:

Washington Post

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Jan 4, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Right - because the media has been correct on Roberts before...

You expressed your opinion. I expressed mine. No attempt to cause trouble. Sorry you’re being so sensitive about it.

by SouthernCub on Jan 4, 2009 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

By the way...

nothing in that article suggests the Cubs are active in the Roberts chase again. It just alludes to their past interest and the potential current interest from the White Sox.

I’ve not seen anything other than Peter Schmuck’s speculative post a week ago to suggest the Cubs are actively pursuing Roberts. That doesn’t mean there hasn’t been an article out there. It also doesn’t mean the Cubs aren’t active again. But this article doesn’t really suggest the Cubs are on the chase there again.

by SouthernCub on Jan 4, 2009 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Miles will be the

scrappy meat between the two scrappy sandwich halves…

I suspect that he will platoon with those guys and spell ARAM from time to time. He only got ABs in the outfield the last 2 years do to the dire circumstances in their outfield at the end of the last two years. I don’t expect much out of Miles…in my mind he is Neifi redux.

As you noted, I have heard several times on STL radio this week that Miles will be the starting 2nd basemen/leadoff guy. I chalk that up to STL people not knowing much about LBR. Nobody does reserach anymore before opening up their mouths.

"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb

by TheRiot Police on Jan 4, 2009 3:45 PM CST reply actions  

I see Aaron Miles getting 450 at bats

Most of them at 2nd base. And I do not think it is out of the question that he is inserted as the new leadoff man.

Do I agree with any of this? No, not really.

by BLou on Jan 4, 2009 3:55 PM CST reply actions  

Good, because none of it is going to happen.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jan 4, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Well said

If that happens, I will think MUCH less of Piniella as a manager.

by SouthernCub on Jan 4, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Crikey

There should be brand new debate on this board that has been just busting to get out. What? The fact that so many of you are chomping at the bit to throw Lou Piniella under the bus.

It’s classic Cub fan syndrome all over again. Go on this wild sugar buzz when a new manager is hired only to unfairly sour on him and demand he be shot at dawn within three years tops. It happens ALL the time with Cub fans.

Around these parts, the worm turned on Piniella last season when Felix Pie wasn’t automatically handed the starting center field job. This move crossed a big line for many of you. From there it was just a matter of time before you skewered Piniella for every move or non-move made by the General Manager. It also became sporting to find Lou’s very own Neifi Perez. Most around here felt Lou’s Neifi was Bob Howry.

Keep it up. It’s the habit of Cub fans to unduly shit on the manager after honeymoon period when the insulin rush is buzzing through the veins. It doesn’t matter that Piniella is one of the best in the business, and perhaps THE best manager the Cubs have hired in decades. Lets just dump all over the man for the failings of Felix Pie, the departure of Mark DeRosa and Kerry Wood, the inability to find a cure for cancer, the rise in parking meter rates in Chicago, etc.

by BLou on Jan 4, 2009 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree...

As much as I love BCB, you tend to notice how frequently some Cub fans start marching with pitch-forks at the drop of a hat. It gets pretty ridiculous.

I haven’t liked everything Piniella has done, but I’ll never understand how people dislike so much someone who has led us to the playoffs two years in a row. Particularly since I haven’t seen any evidence that we would’ve done so in Piniella absence, and that he therefore doesn’t deserve the credit.

Anyway, I’ve been thinking for a while that the sense of entitlement among some in our ranks is starting to seem like Red Sox Nation (and I don’t mean that in any complimentary sense).

by CubsWin!Oregon on Jan 4, 2009 5:09 PM CST up reply actions  

There you go again.

No one is throwing Lou under the bus. Weren’t you lamenting the terrible state of things just a few days ago?

Hendry does what his managers want; it’s perfectly reasonable to question some of these moves.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Jan 4, 2009 5:16 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jan 4, 2009 5:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Face facts

The growing majority sentiment on your blog is that Lou Piniella is a bum. And that all Jim Hendry is on this earth to do is blankly comply with the wishes of the manager he hired.

It’s ridiculous. We could have Casey Stengel in his prime managing the Cubs and it would be the same initial sugar buzz followed by the guy is a two bit bum pattern.

Whose it going to be next? Are the Cubs going to hire Tony LaRussa or, heck, even Ryne Sandberg and are all of you going to engage in the same roller coaster attachment ?!? Maybe someday you can blame a LaRussa or a Sandberg when the General Manager makes smart baseball moves (e.g., Kerry Wood) or head scratching moves (e.g., Mark DeRosa). After all in Cubdom the General Manager is blind order taker.

by BLou on Jan 4, 2009 5:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Read the post below.

Your analysis of the “growing majority sentiment” is 100% wrong.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jan 4, 2009 5:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I respectfully disagree

Further, you seem to be solid supporter of the subliminal bashing of Lou Piniella. That’s fine. Everyone is entitled to an opinion.

by BLou on Jan 4, 2009 6:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Al, can we call out BLou on this one?

I don’t think it’s worth a separate fanpost, but is there anyway you can put a survey on the main page, probably on the side. Real simple: Is Lou Pinella a bum? Yes or No.

And then we can see if BLou is right about the majority of BCB.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jan 4, 2009 6:02 PM CST up reply actions  

My thought exactly.

Al, I support the idea of putting up a “Bum or No Bum” poll. Of course, even if the majority of us vote “No Bum”, bluemike MDBNIU BLou would probably call us all liars.

Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.

by daver on Jan 4, 2009 7:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe I'll do that.

The other poll has been up for a while, already.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jan 4, 2009 8:43 PM CST up reply actions  

My eyes must be going bad...

all this time I thought your catch phrase was “Pitching is King”. Now I realize I was off by one letter. It’s “Bitching is King.”

I humbly bow in your general direction, your majesty…

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jan 4, 2009 6:08 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Jan 5, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Face facts

Oh, the irony…

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Jan 5, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions  

I disagree with your main premise
Hendry does what his managers want

And here’s why:

Lou doesn’t make the calls on personnel moves. As one baseball person told me, “The Cubs do things the old-fashioned way. The manager has input, the the GM makes the call.” Hendry has had to tell both Dusty and Lou things they necessarily didn’t want to hear over the years. I see little chance now of Wood coming back. I would have put it at 75 percent had the Cubs offered arbitration.

The above posted by Bruce Miles to the Daily Herald blog.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jan 4, 2009 5:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Whatever

What you state in your post is the neat and tidy excuse wrapped in a bow that many want to use for saying Lou Piniella is omni-potent and Jim Hendry is one step above a mailroom clerk. And the rationale for throwing Lou Piniella under the bus.

I have been a diehard since the mid-70’s. Trust me, the growing pattern of Piniella hatred isn’t something new. It’s happened time and time again with many Cub fans. Sometimes it’s been very well justified because, lets face it, we’ve had some terrible managers. But in other circumstances it has been patently unfair. The presumption is that if only we could create our perfect image of a manager then Felix Pie would be on his way to the 2009 National League MVP and the Cubs would be clearing more room in the trophy case for latest World Series trophy. That’s a bunch of hoey in my book.

Lou Piniella is a damned fine manager. Best we have had in 30 plus years that I have perspective on. And yeah, I feel the need to defend Piniella from the insidious campaign that is mounting around here.

by BLou on Jan 4, 2009 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Not exactly, but I wasn't refuting his

I was refuting Drew’s.

However, I suspect that Blue Mike meant to reply to Drew and not me.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jan 4, 2009 6:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not attacking anybody

All I’m saying is that Bleed Cubbie Blue has become bastion for mounting cry that Lou is a bum. It’s both sad and predictable. But everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

by BLou on Jan 4, 2009 6:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Can you actually support this statement?
…Bleed Cubbie Blue has become bastion for mounting cry that Lou is a bum.

I don’t seem to recall that many posts, comments, or replies that said this, either implicitly or explicitly. In fact, I’m pretty sure there have been more statements condemning Hendry than Piniella this off-season.

Not to add fuel to the fire, but if you’re going to make outrageous claims like this, shouldn’t you be able to back them up? With facts and numbers and charts?

Bleed Cubbie Blue: Like Drāno for your internet tubes.

by znohitter on Jan 4, 2009 6:50 PM CST up reply actions  

You'll be waiting

a long time for BM to show any facts.

by sue369 on Jan 4, 2009 7:12 PM CST up reply actions  

'S okay.

I brought sammiches.

Bleed Cubbie Blue: Like Drāno for your internet tubes.

by znohitter on Jan 4, 2009 7:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Meta-sammiches.

I took some smaller sammiches (ham, roast beef, PB & marshmallow, grilled cheese) and made them into a super-sammich. Sort of a sammich gestalt.

In retrospect, I probably should have put a Pepto sammich in there too.

Bleed Cubbie Blue: Like Drāno for your internet tubes.

by znohitter on Jan 5, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Dagwood

approves.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Jan 5, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Facts? Numbers? Charts?

Who do you think he is? Ivy Walls?

Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.

by daver on Jan 4, 2009 7:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I have seen a lot of anti-Lou posts...

maybe not majority, but definitely a good #.

by GoCubbies34 on Jan 4, 2009 9:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah but...

…define “anti-Lou.” If I criticize one of Piniella’s in-game moves, does that make me “anti-Lou”? If I disagree with his handling of the bullpen, does that make me “anti-Lou”?

Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.

by daver on Jan 4, 2009 10:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I never said you were attacking anyone

Your latest incarnation doesn’t seem to have the ability to reply to the messages that you intend to. Or do you think that I’m one of Drew’s alter-egos?

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jan 4, 2009 8:53 PM CST up reply actions  

That charade was debunked without rebuttal

some time ago.

"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."

by flachimesa on Jan 5, 2009 7:54 AM CST up reply actions  

he doesn’t walk on water. And I believe I have you beat on Lou love. I’ve been a fan of Lou Pinella for 30 years.

He is a good manager. But twice now, he’s led this team to the division and then punted. He isn’t immune to criticism.

No one is throwing Lou under the bus. We are asking questions that we think are relevant.

You were wrong about Soriano, you were wrong about Pie. How is it that your criticisms of these decisions AREN’T throwing Lou under the bus?

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Jan 5, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions  

that he wouldn't be back

on the roster for the post season. You said it less than 24 hours before it happened. The implied criticism of Lou was that it’d be stupid of him to bring Pie back.

Do I really need to post the link, mambochicken?

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Jan 5, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

I feel a sand pounding comment on the way.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jan 5, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Unbelievable

The poster who has been a Cub fan for a matter of months and who has been on this site consistently preaching that Lou Piniella screwed over Felix Pie. And that Pie was destined for great things in a Cub uniform if not for the presence of an ignorant short-sighted manager.

Also, how have I been wrong in my pessimistic viewpoint on Alfonso Soriano? What did Soriano do in the Dodger series? Did I miss something? Was there wondrous return from our $136 million investment in the guess hitting hack ?!?

by BLou on Jan 5, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

When Soriano came back from the DL

he started playing like a real lead-off hitter. He got on base, he stole bases — he did a damn sight better than Theriot. He fielded much better as well, going back to the wall on more than one fly ball.

The whole team clenched in the playoffs, just like 2007. It’s not like Rich Harden anointed the pitcher’s mound with gold or anything either. There’s a real argument that Lou is the one who screwed the playoffs by not managing the games properly, but who knows?

I know that Pie has never gotten a proper chance to show what he can do. And I know that you’ve been wrong about Pie time and time again. He wasn’t part of the “kitchen sink” deal to get Harden. It’s frakkin’ JANUARY, and he hasn’t been traded.

And you have no idea how long I’ve been a Cubs fan. Membership on this site means you’re a BIG Cubs fan, but I’ve been watching the Cubs for over a decade. So you can pound that up your ass with some sand.

But that’s ok, Blue Mike. Keep moving the goal-posts. Keep repeating the same old tired BS, over and over and over again. You’re like a top-40 radio station.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Jan 5, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Dick was definitely

flagging this year at the NYRE party.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Jan 5, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not even commenting on the results of the stroke.

The tanning and botox made him look like the cryptkeeper post embalming.

by N Oakley on Jan 5, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

my wife commented on that

“How old is he anyway?”

“I dunno, about a thousand.”

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Jan 5, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

He will be 80 next November 30.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jan 5, 2009 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

when he will celebrate

by eating the eyes of a hundred babies while bathing in their boiled remains… :D

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Jan 5, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

You are one sick puppy, Drew.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jan 5, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Cthulhy

f’taghen…

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Jan 5, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Hastur pudding?

Bleed Cubbie Blue: Like Drāno for your internet tubes.

by znohitter on Jan 5, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I get my Hastur pudding

at Bernie’s in Yog-Soggoth. Can’t be beat!

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Jan 5, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

well, ok

allow me to rephrase, then. Hendry and Lou agree to work together. Lou has input. Therefore, it’s unlikely that Hendry is doing things that Lou is absolutely adamantly against. To me, the decision to let Woody go has to be Lou’s. So, too, the decision to move DeRo.

These may be perfectly reasonable decisions to make, but I think it’s also reasonable to question them.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Jan 5, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh, I agree that it's fair to question

I like Lou, but he’s certainly not beyond reproach.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jan 6, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Do you even think before typing?

You and I seem to agree that playing Miles for 450 AB and batting him leadoff is a bad idea. Piniella determines who starts and Piniella writes out the lineup card. Therefore, IF Piniella puts Miles in the leadoff spot, I will think much less of his managerial skill. Doesn’t that just make logical sense?

Where did I say Piniella is a terrible manager? Where did I blame Piniella for getting Miles? Read, man!

I realize you have a man-crush on Piniella. But please, just TRY not to let it cloud your ability to comprehend the posts.

by SouthernCub on Jan 4, 2009 5:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I apologize

My indictment so to speak is for the growing sentiment around here that Lou Piniella is a bum. It lives and breathes right under the surface on nearly every thread.

by BLou on Jan 4, 2009 5:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I think you are overstating the opinion on Lou. There is a small contingent of

people who don’t like him, but for the most part, opinions have been positive. There were some negative comments after the last playoff sweep, but for someone whose team has been swept out of the first round of the playoffs two years running, he has gotten fairly soft treatment.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jan 4, 2009 5:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree...

there are certainly those that look for any opportunity to bash Piniella. There are also those who think Piniella walks on water and can do no wrong. The reality? Somewhere in between, though definitely more of the good than the bad.

by SouthernCub on Jan 4, 2009 6:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I accept your reality

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jan 4, 2009 6:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I think I am often seen as a Lou basher, despite the fact that I have repeatedly said he is one of the best managers in the league.

I consistently criticized Lou through 2008 for what I viewed to be short-sightedness in his managing. I made the case beginning early last season that he was managining in a style that would win a lot of games in the regular season but be less prepared for the off-season.

I stand by that claim. Lou miscalculated the strength of his team compared to the Cardinals and Brewers. I believe the criticism Lou received after 2007’s sweep (criticism I thought unfair then and now) overly affected him on precisely this point, that by saving Z, he didn’t do everything he could to “win now.” Since then, I believe, he over-corrected.

So, sure, I have been critical of Lou, but being critical doesn’t mean I think he’s a “bum.” Not in the slightest.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Jan 4, 2009 7:18 PM CST up reply actions  

That doesn't compute with the spirit and content of most of your posts

You have direclty and subliminally attacked Lou Piniella from all angles. From his lack of endorsement of Felix Pie (which is a lightning rod topic for most Lou bashers) to his perceived influence on the departure of veterans like Kerry Wood, Mark DeRosa, etc. And you subscribe to the theory (via the content of your posts) that Lou Hendry is simple order taker that works for Piniella.

That’s fine by the way. You are entitled to your way of thinking and opinions. But please don’t sit here and suggest that you wouldn’t secretly delight in Lou PIniella being fired.

by BLou on Jan 4, 2009 7:26 PM CST up reply actions  

"sublilminally attacked"...wow

Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.

by daver on Jan 4, 2009 7:29 PM CST up reply actions  

you mean like this?

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by ballhawk on Jan 4, 2009 7:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Y'know, now that you mention it...

…I have noticed a spate of latin posts lately.

Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.

by daver on Jan 4, 2009 10:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Italia est paeninsula

"Who's Bob Brenly? The guy that used to be the manager for Arizona?" ~ Alfonso Guilleard Soriano

by JohnM on Jan 5, 2009 6:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Sicut erat in principio

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by znohitter on Jan 5, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions  

E plurbus unum

Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.

by daver on Jan 5, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

St. Louis

delenda est

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Jan 5, 2009 7:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Eamus catuli.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jan 5, 2009 8:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Veni... Vidi...

…Pound Sand!

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jan 5, 2009 8:28 PM CST up reply actions  

talentum sand

That’s how this site says “Pound sand” translates into Latin.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jan 5, 2009 8:31 PM CST up reply actions  

well how about that...

all this time we thought Blue Mike was insulting us, when he was really complimenting us – telling us we all had talent.

maybe we’ve misjudged him….

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jan 5, 2009 8:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Nah

"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."

by flachimesa on Jan 5, 2009 10:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm telling you that you are misreading my posts.

You can believe I’m lying or that I’m just plain inconsistent. And while I have used hyperbole and have taken extreme positions to provoke discussion, I know my own mind.

I can disagree with Lou on Felix Pie without thinking that merits his firing. I also disagreed with him on his use of Mike Fontenot and was glad to eat crow on that one. The point is that even if I still believe Lou was wrong about Pie, he’s been right in many other places and shouldn’t be fired for being wrong in a handful of places. No manager is right all the time.

Your second of “all angles” regards wonderings I wrote here about why Kerry Wood left. I never came to any final conclusions on that matter, blaming the Chicago media for not following that story through and asking tough questions. I speculated that Lou might want Kerry gone, and I also speculated that Kerry might be lying about the deal he was willing to take. And even when I speculated Lou might want Kerry gone, I wondered if it was for good reason (e.g. Kerry’s health being worse than many of us thought).

I do believe that Jim Hendry works closely with his manager – all you have to do is compare the types of talent he acquired with Dusty to the types he seeks with Lou – but what does that have to do with my opinion of Lou?

Lou doesn’t need you to marginalize anyone who criticizes specific decisions or strategies of his. He can take criticism – in fact, that’s one of the things I like about Lou – his adaptability.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Jan 4, 2009 7:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Fine

I accept your take on matters. But I’m not so sure your fellow posters are so genuine in their feelings on the subject. And the real POINT I was trying to make is the bizarre and many times repeated pattern of many Cub fans when it comes to team manager. It’s a roller coaster of emotions that begins with over-extreme infatuation during honeymoon stage but then rapidly deteriorates into near total rejection. You don’t see this extreme phenomenon with other baseball teams. Sure, fans of all teams in all sports get excited when a new manager or coach is hired, and typically end up on the negative side of the ledger over time. After all, the axiom that “managers are hired to be fired” does hold true. Very true in fact. But it borders on bizarre with many Cub fans.

Every three or four years we want to throw away the playbook and start with brand new fresh approach. Well my only response to that would be, how has this worked out for us over the course of the last 101 years? I’ve never seen Cardinal fans throw a Tony LaRussa under the bus, even though they might have natural misgivings and negative feeling for some of the things he does.

My argument would be this. Lou Piniella is one helluva good manager and has the track record to prove it. I’m not going to throw him under the bus willy nilly. And I’m not going to indict the man when he does things that may not align with my passions for the organization or viewpoints on certain players.

by BLou on Jan 4, 2009 8:00 PM CST up reply actions  

The way we talk about Lou and his decisions here

are different than anyone with power to make decisions in Cub management/ownership should talk about him and his decisions. We nitpick because we like talking about Cubs baseball.

I think you’re right about the pattern you see, but to me, it’s just fans being fans who are hungry and desperate for a WS win. The atmosphere among Cub fans is tainted, to a degree, by this long drought. Compare, for example, the treatment Grady Little got in Boston…

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Jan 4, 2009 8:16 PM CST up reply actions  

But I’m not so sure your fellow posters are so genuine in their feelings on the subject.

Right. Are we supposed to take a loyalty oath?

You’re not right in the head, you know that?

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Jan 5, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

I can only speak for myself when I say...

…I do NOT think Lou Piniella is a “bum.” I love the no BS attitude he’s brought to the Cubs and I am grateful for the two fantastic (regular) seasons he’s given us. Having said that, he is not beyond reproach. And I would remind you that it’s in the grand tradition of baseball fandom to critique (read: bitch about) a manager’s decisions large and small. Doing so doesn’t necessarily indicate hate or even dislike – it just comes with the job.

Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.

by daver on Jan 4, 2009 7:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Your smarter than that

You know precisely what I speak of. You also know it is not an exact black and white thing that Lou is viewed a bum. Deep down a lot of posters on here can’t stand Lou Piniella. And that it would please them to no end to see Piniella fired. The sooner the better.

by BLou on Jan 4, 2009 7:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Find me a single poster who wants Lou fired.

I want Lou to change his mind on a topic or two. I don’t know anyone who wants him fired.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Jan 4, 2009 7:26 PM CST up reply actions  

So you're somehow an expert...

…on the subconsciouses of many (most?) BCB posters? From whence are you gleaning this insight? Subtextual studies? Handwriting analysis?

Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.

by daver on Jan 4, 2009 7:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Very well put. You have managed to capture

the esence of this individual and succinctly describe his existence here. I am going to copy your post and save it for future reference. Everytime I see an incesant, rambling blumike post, I shall recall your contribution to remind me of where this strange individual is coming from. Thank you again.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jan 4, 2009 8:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Confirmed.

What’s the over/under on another banning before Opening Day?

Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.

by daver on Jan 5, 2009 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

nah.

I’ll give it till June.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Jan 5, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

By the time spring training starts.

Bleed Cubbie Blue: Like Drāno for your internet tubes.

by znohitter on Jan 5, 2009 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

that's a ballsy prediction

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Jan 5, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, it IS about BlueMike.

I figure it’s only appropiate.

Bleed Cubbie Blue: Like Drāno for your internet tubes.

by znohitter on Jan 5, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm just a leaf in the wind

watch me soar.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Jan 5, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Shiny!

Bleed Cubbie Blue: Like Drāno for your internet tubes.

by znohitter on Jan 5, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Just don't stick it in the leadoff spot.

Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.

by daver on Jan 4, 2009 7:17 PM CST up reply actions  

TWSS

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 4, 2009 9:28 PM CST up reply actions  

The leadoff spot. Is that close to the "G" spot?

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jan 4, 2009 9:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess you start at the former and hope you end up at the latter.

Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.

by daver on Jan 4, 2009 10:31 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

Good one. I’m jealous I didn’t post that. :-)

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Jan 5, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions  

it is if Gathright is playing...

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jan 4, 2009 11:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Ahhh, nostalgia

This thread brings back memories of Blue Mike past…

Good to see you’ll be supplying my BCB entertainment in 2009 BLou…

"Hey! If the moon were made of ribs, wouldja eat it? I know I would!"

by cubs0505 on Jan 4, 2009 6:52 PM CST reply actions  

It's offical....

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 4, 2009 9:56 PM CST reply actions  

Alright, alright...I confess...

…everytime I write anything about Lou Piniella, this is what I see in my head.

Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.

by daver on Jan 4, 2009 10:34 PM CST up reply actions  

"Can't stand ya..."

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jan 4, 2009 11:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Ugh

Haven’t been able to eat baked beans since the 1990s.

"Who's Bob Brenly? The guy that used to be the manager for Arizona?" ~ Alfonso Guilleard Soriano

by JohnM on Jan 5, 2009 6:09 AM CST up reply actions  

It's funny

That someone would complain about Lou bashing, real or imagined, when most everyone else here would like to complain about threads being hijacked by the sort of bickering I just got done reading here. Normally I wouldn’t even bother saying anything, because it just adds to the pile, BUT

I did want to steer this back towards Miles. I imagine he’ll get tons of AB’s whether he starts at 2nd or not. There’s going to be injuries and Lou likes to change things up, so he’ll be treated similarly to DeRosa I think. What I really want to know is if they’ll play “I Can See For Miles” when he’s up.

by JodyDavis on Jan 5, 2009 10:29 AM CST reply actions  

If he bats eighth

they can segue directly into “Pictures of Lily”, every fifth day.

"Who's Bob Brenly? The guy that used to be the manager for Arizona?" ~ Alfonso Guilleard Soriano

by JohnM on Jan 5, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Or perhaps "The Pitcher Ted Lilly" (sung to the tune of "Pictures of Lily")

I used to wake up in the morning
I used to feel so bad
I got so sick of watching Cubs pitchers suck
I went and told my dad (Jim Hendry)

He said, ‘Son now here’s some little something’
As they stuck an IV in his arm
And now every fifth Cubs game ain’t quite so lonely
In fact I don’t feel no harm

The pitcher Ted Lilly, made my life so wonderful
The pitcher Ted Lilly, helped me sleep at night
The pitcher Ted Lilly, solved those rotation problems
The pitcher Ted Lilly, helped me feel alright

The pitcher Ted Lilly
Lilly, oh Lilly
Lilly, oh Lilly
The pitcher Ted Lilly

And then one day things weren’t quite so fine
He threw his glove that Lilly
I asked my dad what was on Lilly’s mind
He said, ‘Son, now don’t be silly’

He just gave up a home run to the D’Backs Chris Young
Oh, how I cried that night
If only I’d been his catcher at the time
It would have been alright

The pitcher Ted Lilly made my life so wonderful
The pitcher Ted Lilly helped me sleep at night

For me and Ted Lilly are together on a championship team
And I ask, ‘Hey Mister Molina, have you ever seen?’
The pitcher Ted Lilly!

Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.

by daver on Jan 5, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

(checks watch)

Hmmm. Four minutes. Not bad!

"Who's Bob Brenly? The guy that used to be the manager for Arizona?" ~ Alfonso Guilleard Soriano

by JohnM on Jan 5, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks!

We can make “The Cubs Signed Aaron Miles” the B-side.

Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.

by daver on Jan 5, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Aha... finally the truth is revealed as to why Lou wanted DeRosa gone

The Lou’s farewell ode to DeRo (sung to the tune of… eh, you’ll figure it out. Oh, and see if you can spot the Izturis reference…)

I know you’ve deceived me, now here’s a surprise
I know that you have cause there’s fire in my eyes

Now I’m all smiles and smiles and smiles and smiles and smiles
Oh yeah

If you think that I don’t know about the little tricks you’ve played
And never see you when deliberately you put things in my way

Well, here’s a poke at you
You’re gonna choke on it too
You’re gonna lose that smile
Because all the while

We signed second baseman Aaron Miles
We signed third baseman Aaron Miles
We signed switch hitter Miles and Miles and Miles and Miles and Miles
Oh yeah

You took advantage of my trust in you when I was so far away
I saw you holding lots of other guys and now you’ve got the nerve to say

That you still want me
Well, that’s as may be
But you gotta stand trial
Because all the while

I can pinch hit Miles and Miles
I can pinch run Miles and Miles
I can double switch Miles and Miles and Miles and Miles and Miles
Oh yeah

The starting lineup and the dog house are mine to use on game days
You thought that I would need a crystal ball to see right through the haze

Well, here’s a poke at you
You’re gonna choke on it too
You’re gonna lose that smile
Because all the while

We signed second baseman Aaron Miles
We signed third baseman Aaron Miles
We signed switch hitter Miles and Miles and Miles and Miles and Miles
And Miles and Miles and Miles and Miles

I can pinch hit Miles and Miles
I can pinch run Miles and Miles
I can double switch Miles and Miles and Miles and Miles and Miles

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jan 5, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

ohgod...

now it’s stuck in my head…

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Jan 5, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Little off-topic, but

BLou, are you?
BLou BLou, BLou BLou?
BLou are you?
BLou BLou, BLou BLou?

I woke up on a Red Line platform
A policeman knew my name
He said “You can go sleep at home tonight
If you can tell me who won the game”

I staggered back to the Cubbie Bear
And the breeze blew back my cap
I remember givin’ Daver some guff
And takin’ a little nap

chorus:
Well, who is BLou? (BLou, are you? BLou BLou, BLou BLou?)
I really wanna know (BLou, are you? BLou BLou, BLou BLou?)
Tell me, who is BLou? (BLou, are you? BLou BLou, BLou BLou?)
’Cause I really wanna know (BLou, are you? BLou BLou, BLou BLou?)

I took the bus back out of town
Back to the NIU
I felt a little like a dying clown
With a streak of Cubbie Blue

I stretched back and I hiccupped
And looked back on my busy day
Eleven hours on the BCB
God, there’s got to be another way

BLou are you?
Oof wah, oof wah, oof wah…

(chorus)

I know there’s a place I went
Where Pie didn’t play
My brain is like a broken cup
I only feel right when I say

"You can pound sand, I’m always right
You Mambochicken freak
How can Al ban me, I’ll just come right back
And rip on you next week"

(chorus)

Bleed Cubbie Blue: Like Drāno for your internet tubes.

by znohitter on Jan 5, 2009 2:11 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

LSA

Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.

by daver on Jan 5, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

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