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25 man roster as of today...

Our 25 man roster looks like this with the inclusions of Bradley,Vizcaino and Bako. This is just my opinion of how the roster should play out as of today. Ill add details below.

Lineup:
SS-Theriot-R
2B-Fontenot-L
3B-Ramirez-R
RF-Bradley-B
LF-Soriano-R
1B-Lee-R
C-Soto-R
CF-Fukudome-L

Ill catch some flack for having Theriot bat leadoff but I think Soriano is better served as a middle of the order bat. I think Bradley is more of a 3 hitter but i put him 4th to add better balance.

Bench:
C-Bako-L
IF-Cedeno-R

UT-Miles-B
OF/1B-Hoffpauir-L
OF-Gathright-L
OF-Johnson-R

You could add Pie however, hes out of options, I think he gets traded.

Rotation:
Zambrano-R
Dempster-R
Lilly-L
Harden-R
Gaudin-R

Gaudin was a starter in Oakland for the 07 season. He won 11 games with a 4.42 ERA. He should fair better in the NL. I beleive he would put up Marquis type numbers. Saving Marshall as a lefty for the pen.

Bullpen:
CL-Marmol-R
SP-Gregg-R
SP-Samardzija-R
MR-Cotts-L
MR-Vizcaino-R
LR-Marshall-L

Im torn between Wuertz and Guzman. One of these guys could be added if we go with a 12 man staff. I guess this could play out in spring training. That would probably mean Hoff it AAA. 

I hate to bring it up but adding Roberts would drastically change this team. This would move Theriot to the 2 spot in the order and add a legit leadoff hitter to cause havoc on the bases. Of coarse it would move Fontenot to the bench and cause a tough decision as to who to leave off the team. Of coarse if any of those bench guys was traded, problem solved. What do you think?

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I don't think there's anyway Gaudin is a starter on this team.

Barring a big injury, Marshall is the starter. He’s a lefty, and IMO, Gaudin’s value is better served in the bullpen than is Marshall’s. And we haven’t traded for Milton yet. I remember posts like these last year with BR.

Dan

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by dtpollitt on Jan 5, 2009 1:10 PM CST reply actions  

Speaking of Milton

A friend told me that he heard a Rumor that Milton was seaking 5/50 and we offered 3/24…can anyone confirm or deny this rumor.

"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb

by TheRiot Police on Jan 5, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

As did I

hence why I am trying to confirm or deny my Friend’s rumor. I suspect that he heard this on the Radio but have yet to confirm it

"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb

by TheRiot Police on Jan 5, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Update:

He heard this Friday of last week on the XM Baseball Channel (XM 175). Don’t know more than that. It is probably pure speculation on whoever said it but if it is not than I don’t think we are that close to signing to Bradley.

"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb

by TheRiot Police on Jan 5, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Bruce Levine

said earlier today that Bradley should be in by the end of the week for a physical.

by dakoose on Jan 5, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Good

In my opinion, he needs to wait until the Marquis deal is finalized. I see that as being done by tomorrow or Wednesday.

My Dad said there were three moves this week per Levine… Marquis, Gameboard and someone else. He said it wasn’t Bako. Did anyone hear?

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by initram on Jan 5, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I Can Ask Him...

… but that and the DeRo trade I thought were finalized last week…

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by initram on Jan 5, 2009 2:10 PM CST up reply actions  

If he signs..

it will be just in time for the Convention. If it hapens, I would be curious to see the reception he got at the opening cermonies if in fact he attended.

"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb

by TheRiot Police on Jan 5, 2009 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

im assuming

thats why he hasnt signed yet. No way i go over 3 years. id go with a 2 yr and an option. This guy has only had 500 at bats once in his career.

-clarknaddison

by clarknaddison on Jan 5, 2009 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Bradley is definitely in line for a three year contract

Bradley is a player in demand. He won’t have a problem getting a three year deal from the Cubs. I’m guessing the deal will chalk in around $28-32 million.

by BLou on Jan 5, 2009 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I Hope It Is...

… 2 guaranteed with a 3rd vesting option based on games played or at bats.

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by initram on Jan 5, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Marshall

is likely to get the first crack at starting. The Cubs still believe Samardzija is a starter and would likely get the second crack.

I agree with you that it is very unlikely that Gaudin will start for us. He might get an emergency start if someone comes down with an injury just before a game.

by Josh Timmers on Jan 5, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Gaudin

had 34 starts in 07 with a 4.42 era in the AL, youd think he would improve on that in the NL. I would like to keep marshall as the 2nd lefty in the bullpen.

-clarknaddison

by clarknaddison on Jan 5, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

that was before

Gaudin had that run-in with the dumpster.

He certainly has better stats than he showed us last year.

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by drewishdrewid on Jan 5, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I also think Marshall will be the 5th starter.

I think Shark will be sent to AAA as starter insurance. I

 also think it would be more beneficial for his development to send him to AAA to start instead of using him out of the bullpen. In the long run, I think the team would benefit from him starting the year at AAA as starter.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Jan 5, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Jan 5, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Samardzija

needs another pitch

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jan 6, 2009 12:13 AM CST up reply actions  

I Agree...

Marshall will start. I just realized that Hendry spoke last week about Marshall being out of the ’pen. I think he has to say that since the Marquis deal is not finalized yet…

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by initram on Jan 5, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I still want

beimel,millar, and another starter

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by cubsluver22 on Jan 5, 2009 1:10 PM CST reply actions  

I agree

with Beimel, but will pass on Millar even though I like the attitude he brings…I would rather keep Pie and hope…

100 years would have been nice, but 101 years still has a nice ring to it.

by airweino on Jan 5, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Pretty sure Pie's going to be gone...

And Millar isn’t coming anyway. But signing Gathright and Bradley will push Pie completely out of the picture.

by SouthernCub on Jan 5, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

The Millar "rumors"

were only started by Al as a suggestion. He will even tell you that. It was more of a concept than a specific idea. Beimel would be a great addition considering what has transpired. We lose Marshall to the starting rotation, we need someone like him in the pen.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jan 6, 2009 12:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed on all counts.

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by Al Yellon on Jan 6, 2009 7:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Minor adjustments

I see the roles of Mike Fontenot and Aaron Miles being flipped. In my view Miles was brought in here to be the primary 2nd baseman with Fontenot being in reserve but getting a good deal of playing time off the bench.

I doubt Micah Hoffpauir will nail down a roster spot. Too big of a swing to think the rookie could operate effectively as a pinch hitter coming off the bench. Cubs will probably scour the market for a proven veteran pinch hitter who happens to also play 1st base. There are Daryl Ward types out there to be had.

Though I don’t agree, it appears Sean Marshall gets first crack at the rotation. If he isn’t up to the task then Chad Gaudin will likely get a shot. Jeff Samardzija lacks the pitching repetoire to be a serious consideration for the rotation. At least at this point in his young career.

by BLou on Jan 5, 2009 1:35 PM CST reply actions  

I think

Fontenot has earned the starting spot…Miles should be the utility guy he is.

Any thoughts from anyone on what starting pitcher or lefty bat we could get for say Pie, Cedeno, Vizcaino, J. Fox, etc.?

Shouldn’t that be able to net a solid #3/#4 pitcher?

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by TheRiot4Life on Jan 5, 2009 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Lou loves Fontenot

so I look to him to be in the starting spot at 2nd too.

by sue369 on Jan 5, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Huh??

What team in their right mind is going to give you a “solid” # 3 or # 4 type starter for Felix “I can’t hit major league pitching” Pie, Ronny “three brain cells” Cedeno, a minor league DH in Jake Fox and a overpaid middle reliever in his mid 30’s in Luis Vizcaino?!?

by BLou on Jan 5, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

My point

is not that all of those guys=a #4 starter…I just think that a combination of guys out of options and a few young pitchers should bring about a guy of that stature/potential…

Any possibility Hendry makes a play on Hermida, signs Sheets and Pedro and pitches a 3-headed monster of Sheets, Harden and Pedro in the #4 and #5 roles? Is that too crazy or so crazy, it just might work?

Gotta love the Ragin' Cajun!

by TheRiot4Life on Jan 5, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

crazy talk

but i wonder what Pedros price tag would be.

-clarknaddison

by clarknaddison on Jan 5, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

the top 40 station

is cycling.

Remember when we didn’t have the pieces to get Harden? Good times, good times…

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by drewishdrewid on Jan 5, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Really?

I hadn’t heard that.

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by initram on Jan 5, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

i would like to get Kubel from the Twins

hed be a more reliable and cheaper option than Bradley for RF. Hes a lefty and has 20HR power and plays solid def.

I really hope Miles is brought in to be a super sub and not the everyday 1B, he may get some starts against lefties.

-clarknaddison

by clarknaddison on Jan 5, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

To me the big question on Bradley is health.

I think the same can be said about Kubel in the NL as there isn’t a DH spot. He had a very serious knee injury in the fall league a couple of years ago and hasn’t been the same since. I’m not sure he can play in the outfield every day which is also my concern about Bradley.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Jan 5, 2009 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

i agree about his health

He should get paid based on plate appearences, but that wont go over well. Im guessing 350 at bats for Bradley in 09.

-clarknaddison

by clarknaddison on Jan 5, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I Respectfully Disagree...

Dealing DeRosa got us two lefty bats in the starting lineup… Fontenot at 2B and money to land Gameboard in RF.

I also believe that Hoffpauir does make the 25-man and replaces Ward.

If/when we land Peavy, Marshall slides into the ’pen. My theory is that the prospective owners were asked if they wanted to add Peavy and there was a split decision. I think Zell knows who won/will win the bid, Hendry has already received a decision, and the decision is to go ahead. None of this will be publicized, though, and no action can be taken until the final papers are drawn up and signed. My opinion.

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by initram on Jan 5, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

i agree

but marshall may be a part of the Peavy deal.

-clarknaddison

by clarknaddison on Jan 5, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I Highly Doubt It...

… from all of the banter in November and early December, Towers kept trying to slide Marshall in, and Hendry said, “no”…

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by initram on Jan 5, 2009 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I also agree

that I don’t think the Cubs are willing to deal Marshall. This is a result of Rich Hill’s regression and makes Marshall very difficult to give up.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Jan 5, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I Am Not Expecting It, Either...

… still hoping, though.

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by initram on Jan 5, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Perhaps If We See a Pie...

…and Olsen deal go down………………….

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by initram on Jan 5, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm hoping too, but the group buying the Pads

said they want to keep Peavy. I’ll post a link if I can find where I read it.

by N Oakley on Jan 5, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Really?

I hadn’t heard that…

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by initram on Jan 5, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

whats the holdup

on finalizing the marquis deal????

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by cubsluver22 on Jan 5, 2009 1:38 PM CST reply actions  

Vacation

He was on Vacation Last week

"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb

by TheRiot Police on Jan 5, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Yup, That's What I Heard...

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by initram on Jan 5, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Marquis...

… is supposed to take his physical for the Rockies tomorrow. Deal should be done shortly after that.

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by Al Yellon on Jan 5, 2009 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Any truth to

the Dodgers looking at Marquis too?

100 years would have been nice, but 101 years still has a nice ring to it.

by airweino on Jan 5, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

MLBTR Reported That...

… but it may be too much, too little, too late…

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by initram on Jan 5, 2009 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Pat the Bat has signed

with the Rays. 2 year deal worth 16 Mil.

"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb

by TheRiot Police on Jan 5, 2009 1:46 PM CST reply actions  

Great deal for them

I bet Pat Burrell thrives in Tampa Bay. Out of the pressure cooker that is Philadelphia and in to a situation with jack rabbits batting in front of him. Nice for the Rays.

by BLou on Jan 5, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I also think it sounds like a great deal of the Rays.

I wonder if Burrell wishes he had accepted the Phillies 2 year offer during the season?

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Jan 5, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Pat the Bat

One of the best nicknames in baseball.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jan 6, 2009 12:20 AM CST up reply actions  

This is...

EXACTLY how a good team gets better…

Not by trading your MVP from the season before for 3 minor leaguers.

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by TheRiot4Life on Jan 5, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

MVP?

Could you explain please? I would give that honor to Soto, Dempster, or even Ramirez before DeRosa.

by McRipper on Jan 5, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

DeRosa

was certainly in the running. No other player would have handled all the position moves that well.

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by drewishdrewid on Jan 5, 2009 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

this could

lower Bradleys price tag.

-clarknaddison

by clarknaddison on Jan 5, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

You're Missing...

… Patton and Guzman.

While I think Patton may not make it (and may end up staying with the team somehow, perhaps as a PTBNL in the Marquis deal?), Guzman I think has solidified a spot in the ’pen. Guzman is also out of options.

I agree with Pie. I think Cedeno is as good as gone, too.

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by initram on Jan 5, 2009 1:55 PM CST reply actions  

Cotts or Spellcheck

Spellcheck may very well start the season to fine-tune his starting role.

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by initram on Jan 5, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

cotts is a lefty and shark is very valuable

I dont see these guys being replaced unless there is a trade.

-clarknaddison

by clarknaddison on Jan 5, 2009 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

So Is Marshall...

… if he’s in the ‘pen. The Shark will likely be a mid-season call up for someone who isn’t doing as well as expected or is injured. Definitely a September call up.

We’re paying him $2M, so may as well use him where we can. Try to stretch him, though.

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by initram on Jan 5, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

We Can Agree...

… to disagree.

Guzman just came off of TJS, so he likely wouldn’t be ready to start. Also, you don’t really need the Shark in April… save him as a depth pitcher.

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by initram on Jan 5, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Guzman replaces Shark

Shark starts at Triple AAA to stretch out the arm and work on his pitches

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by TheRiot Police on Jan 5, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

The Shark...

… that one issue if you land Peavy. We basically block the SP’s in the minors.

You have Z, Demp, and Peavy locked in for at least 4 years. While Lilly is on for 2, whether he gets an extension or not, most likely a lefty will occupy the vacated role. That leaves Harden, who then may be the odd man out after this year. Again, if we land Peavy and go north of $160M next year, there’s likely no money left to sign Harden. If we do somehow, then that further blocks our minor SPs…

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by initram on Jan 5, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Ack

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by initram on Jan 5, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh and don't remember

Harden is gone after this year.

So I don’t think blocking our minor league starters is a major issue

by Wreckard on Jan 5, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

That Said...

… he may be traded by the ASB?

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by initram on Jan 5, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Who, Harden?

Why would we trade Harden mid-season unless we were out of the pennant race? He won’t get much in return, given his injury risk.

by Wreckard on Jan 5, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

If We Land Peavy...

… you can get away with trading Harden for whatever you may need for the stretch run.

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by initram on Jan 5, 2009 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Rich Harden is a stud

Like him or love him, he dominates when he pitches.

Greg Maddux gets away with only going 6 innings because he’s “smart”. Rich doesn’t because he has the “stuff” to be an ace. Keep things in perspective people.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jan 6, 2009 12:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Maddux also gets away with going 6 innings

because he’s north of 40. He used to be among the league leaders in complete games.

Harden should be entering his prime, which would lead people to expect him to go longer than 6 innings.

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by Bill Potter on Jan 6, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions  

That's a fair point.

I still love the deal Hendry made to get Rich and I can’t believe how quickly people turned on him. The guy has lights out stuff.

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by cubswynn on Jan 6, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions  

For 5-6 innings

every 7-8 days on cool nights.

by sue369 on Jan 6, 2009 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Actually it's more like 4-5 innings.

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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jan 6, 2009 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I have

a cold and my head is all clogged up. Not thinking straight right now. :-(

by sue369 on Jan 6, 2009 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Not that word again.

I haven’t seen any blocking discussions in several months. Gallagher got his shot and was then moved for Harden. I suspect Marshall will get amble opportunity this year assuming he can handle it. Samardzija is not likely ready to start this season but with Harden potentially gone after this year and the likelihood of injury, I suspect he’ll get an opportunity when he is ready. The Cubs are a bottom quarter farm system, they don’t need to worry about blocking anyone. I wish they had that problem.

With 5 starting pitcher spots needed, teams should not worry about blocking pitchers. Things always work out.

by rlpete on Jan 5, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions  

i agree

im not worried about blocking anyone.

-clarknaddison

by clarknaddison on Jan 5, 2009 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Or...

… Vizcaino if he gets flipped.

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by initram on Jan 5, 2009 2:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Might Patton

be a throw in from a Marquis deal too?

100 years would have been nice, but 101 years still has a nice ring to it.

by airweino on Jan 5, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Possibly, as a PTBNL...

… or cash considerations. He’d have to pass through waivers first, though.

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by initram on Jan 5, 2009 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

My Crack At a Lineup...

… is as follows:

(1) Soriano
(2) LBR
(3) Lee
(4) Gameboard
(5) Ramirez
(6) Soto
(7) Fukudome
(8) Theriot
(9)

Look at that balance now…

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by initram on Jan 5, 2009 1:56 PM CST reply actions  

With Lee and Ramirez...

…swappable.

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by initram on Jan 5, 2009 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I would certainly want ARAM

getting more ABs throughout the season then Lee.

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by TheRiot Police on Jan 5, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

You know,

I’d bat Bradley 3rd, Ramirez 4th and Lee 5th

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Jan 5, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Break up Lee and Ramirez...

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by initram on Jan 5, 2009 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Given Gameboard Has Officially Signed...

… and given the current makeup of the team, I think that Soriano still bats first the majority of the time.

Theriot can now bat 8th with regularity… great spot for him there, which makes Soriano’s spot even better.

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by initram on Jan 5, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I think we see

Soriano
Fukudome
Lee
Ramirez
Bradley
Soto
Fontenot/Miles
Theriot

I could also see Piniella flip-flopping the #2 and #7 spots, depending upon Fukudome’s productivity.

by SouthernCub on Jan 5, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Another Thought...

… don’t be surprised if Hendry goes for a bottom of the barrel starting pitcher to compete for the 5th spot like the Lieber signing last year. Possibly a lefty veteran?!?

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by initram on Jan 5, 2009 1:59 PM CST reply actions  

Fogg?

Take a chance on Smoltz or Glavine?

-clarknaddison

by clarknaddison on Jan 5, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Anybody Who'd...

… be inexpensive, but not cheap.

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by initram on Jan 5, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Any uptick in production

by Fukudome would make him an ideal leadoff man. Remember, even with all of his struggles last year he still managed an OBP of .359. I know he only had a .314 OBP in the second half, but he was pretty unlucky in terms of balls in play and his average should rebound accordingly. If his on-base jumps to the .370 range next year he would be a very good leadoff hitter. He’s a singles-doubles type hitter and probably the best base-runner on the team, not counting Gathright.

by dakoose on Jan 5, 2009 2:07 PM CST reply actions  

Or...

… you take my lineup above and swap LBR and Fukudome…

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by initram on Jan 5, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Little Babe Ruth...

… a.k.a., Fontenot.

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by initram on Jan 5, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Except Piniella will probably want his 12 pitchers

which makes Cedeno odd man out. The concern there then is that Miles (a potential starter) is the only backup at 3rd. The problem is if Fontenot doesn’t start then you have a bench player who can only play one position.

And Lee will not bat 6th.

by rlpete on Jan 5, 2009 2:08 PM CST reply actions  

It May Be Moot

if Cedeno is traded…

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by initram on Jan 5, 2009 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

i think Lee's days

of a 3 hitter are over.

-clarknaddison

by clarknaddison on Jan 5, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't Be Surprised...

…if Piniella can now send Soriano and LBR in motion, perhaps no more DP-Lee?

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by initram on Jan 5, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions  

my concern too

I wonder if Millar can play 3B, if so, hed be a good pickup.

-clarknaddison

by clarknaddison on Jan 5, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Nope,

he’s barely a 1st baseman.

He’s really a DH.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Jan 5, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought DH's hit for average and power?

Finishing 2008 with a .238 average indicates Millar can barely qualify for a roster spot.

by N Oakley on Jan 5, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually, I believe the DH role was created

for players at the end of their careers that were not able to play the field every day any longer.

Personally, I wouldn’t sign Millar to be on any team. I do think he has a future in broadcasting.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Jan 5, 2009 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Cedeno is a non-tender candidate

I still think he can be a solid major league player, but given the roster crunch, and barring an unforseen injury by spring training, I won’t be surprised if he’s sent packing.

by Wreckard on Jan 5, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

We Already Agreed...

… to offer him arbitration.

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by initram on Jan 5, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

enough value to get traded and not released.

The O’s were looking at him as a starter.

-clarknaddison

by clarknaddison on Jan 5, 2009 2:50 PM CST reply actions  

Nice Parlor game but this roster is not set yet by any measure

One can ably project the 4-man rotation since they are signed to long term deals, but the 5th starter will be determined in spring training PERIOD. This kind of shows how little many have playing competitive sports teams, coaches and players love competition and the chance to compete. Who emerges is a guessing game and TBD, heck it could be Rich Hill or it could be Stevens or Atkins for that matter.

OKay now the bullpen appears to be Marmol, Vizcaino, Gregg, Gregg, Cotts again because of contracts and I am unsure as to the options remaining on Guzman, Marshall, & Wuertz or even Hart or Ascanio who will be offered a chance to compete. Naturally Marshall has been held tight by Piniella saying he needs to have a lefty.

As for the regular lineup what is appearing is that Miles will be offered a chance to compete for an infield starting position and that means SS, which I might add I looked up his 30+ games at St Louis and found his Range Factor and Zone Rating very favorable and far superior to Theriot. So until April 1st I don’t think anyone can say for certain what will his role or the roles of Fonty & Theriot. The question then is Cedeno who is arb eligible.

The rest of the roster appears I haven’t seen anything but parlor rumors about Paul Bako who made $750K with the Reds last year. So until something changes it appears it is Koyie Hill. The rest are pretty set with contracts of Lee, Ramirez, Soriano, Miles, Fukudome, Johnson, Gathright and rights to Soto, Theriot, Fontenot, Pie, Cedeno, & Hoffpauir

As for Hoffpauir that again is down to many factors.

Now what seems apparent is that the roster is not set either by Free Agent speculation with Bradley or potential continued trades. My guess is that this might be best reserved for Feb 20th or so when catchers and pitchers report.

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by Ivy Walls on Jan 5, 2009 3:11 PM CST reply actions  

funny thing back last December I remember talking to a top politician about Obama

With all due respect he said Hillary Clinton will be nominated and elected. No one knows. Hill is on the 40-man roster and will be in Mesa competing for a spot he held last year in the rotation.

He could earn it back if he performs.

Sarcasm or not that is reality, who knows the odds but it is not a guess too many

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by Ivy Walls on Jan 5, 2009 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

The last reports on his winter ball outings have me believing he won’t be in camp long. Not much use for a pitcher who can’t get near the strike zone.

I hope he rebounds, but he can’t occupy a spot on the 40 man if he shows no improvement.

by N Oakley on Jan 5, 2009 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm still hoping Rich Hill rebounds.

It would be such a waste of talent if he’s not able to do so.

He’s certainly a change of scenery canididate and I hope he gets another chance with a different team. I don;t think that chance will come with the Cubs.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Jan 5, 2009 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I think LBR and Miles

will platoon all year based on if a Rightly or Lefty is the starting pitcher. I don’t we’ll see a “regular” at 2B all year.

by digitalbenjamin on Jan 5, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree

And I can see Miles spot-starting for Ramirez and Theriot as well.

by SouthernCub on Jan 5, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Absolutely...

… as well as the outfield on occassion for hurt players and double headers…

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by initram on Jan 5, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I Think The Scales...

… tip a bit in LBR’s favor. Call it 65-35?

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by initram on Jan 5, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

108%?

They do give extra effort, don’t they?

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by initram on Jan 5, 2009 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Assuming Milton, Luis, and Paul, my 25 man and roster guess would be

Not what I want, but rather what I am somewhat expecting

C – Geovany Soto
1st – Derrek Lee
2nd – Aaron Miles
SS – Ryan Theriot
3rd – Aramis Ramirez
RF – Milton Bradley
CF – Kosuke Fukudome
LF – Alfonso Soriano

Bench: Paul Bako, Micah Hoffpauir, Mike Fontenot, Reed Johnson, Joey Gathright

Lineup Guess:

1. Soriano
2. Miles or Fontenot
3. Lee
4. Ramirez
5. Bradley
6. Soto
7. Fukudome
8. Theriot or Miles

I think Fontenot will get a lot of playing time, but I think if starters were named, it’d be Miles.
SP – Carlos Zambrano, Ryan Dempster, Ted Lilly, Rich Harden, Jeff Samardzija

CL – Carlos Marmol
SU – Kevin Gregg
MR – Angel Guzman
MR – Chad Gaudin
MR – David Patton
MR – Neal Cotts
MR – Sean Marshall

The pen is tough to figure, with so many options -

Wuertz – His poor control during Lou’s tenure will, I think, lead to him perhaps getting let go.

Vizcaino – There’s a pen crunch. Wouldn’t surprise me if the Cubs tried peddling his contract off for a bit more savings, but it also wouldn’t surprise me if he found a way to stick.

Hart – Gave Patton the last spot as he has a bit better stuff, but it very well could be Hart.

Sleeper Pen option – If Rich Hill can show any signs of life, he might be the LOOGY. That said, I think Rich Hill gets dealt at some point in the spring, probably for “PTBNL”
____________________________________________

There is still a lot of time to go, and I want to reiterate, that’s not what I want, but rather an attempt to guess what I think will happen. What I want is Soriano out of the leadoff spot and further down, Samardzija in the pen or in AAA starting, and a different 5th starter. I prefer Fontenot at 2nd instead of Miles (takes more pitches than Miles to begin with, and has a bit more offensive versatility). Even in the above configuration, I’d prefer Gaudin as the 5th starter to Samardzija, but I think this is the chance of Hendry to push Samardzija as the 5th guy, and while Lou will make the final call, it wouldn’t surprise me if Lou went that route. That simple exercise does show some things, though -

a) The lineup looks good – but is it? If you have Soriano at the top of the order, you are banking on Fukudome/MI to carry the bottom of the lineup and be productive. If you move Soriano down, then you have huge questions at the top right now. I don’t think anyone would suggest that any 2 of the Fontenot/Miles/Theriot trio at the top of the order would be a great top of the order. It’s a lineup that could be good, no doubt about it, but there are definitely some questions.

b) The bench needs some righty pop. I’d like to find a late game guy that could step in.

c) The 5th starter job is up in the air if we don’t add anyone. I mean, is anyone really comfortable with Samardzija, Gaudin, Atkins, Wells, Caridad in those spots? If the Cubs move Marshall to the rotation, they need to not only find a long man (although that’s not that hard – Randy Wells perhaps), they also need to find another Lefty (particularly considering Cotts isn’t all that good).

d) Is the bullpen that strong entering the year? We’re counting on some odd combination to anchor the 7th inning spot, a spot often tagged into the catchall “middle relief” category, but with baseball more and more a specialization game, you’d ideally like, at least, IMO, 2 “setup” guys to flesh out the 7th and 8th. Personally, I’d like a shutdown 8th inning guy, as I think Gregg is better in the 7th, but in all honesty, Gregg’s gonna get the 8th at the start. The potential is there, no doubt about it, particularly with a guy like Guzman, but Samardzija in the pen would be a big help.

Here’s hoping new ownership is settled quickly and we get a verdict on if we can bump payroll up to the 145 ish, if not 150 ish range.

by toonsterwu on Jan 5, 2009 3:30 PM CST reply actions  

I Highly Doubt Hill...

…makes the team. If he does, it won’t be in the ’pen.

Regarding:
(a) Fukudome, Theriot and a relatively good hitting pitching staff will be very good at the bottom of the lineup. Soriano can stay where he’s at.
(b) I think the Cubs have kinda always missed out on having righty pop on the bench… perhaps because they were a heavily righty team? Now that we have a balanced lineup, we are missing that big bat. I think Piniella is going with speed and atheticism instead.
© Marshall will likely be the 5th starter. That also balances out the Starting Rotation. Remember, we have Pie, Vizcaino, and others that may land us a LOOGY.
(d) I like Guzman as a power arm. I don’t think Spellcheck will make it. Is Wuertz out of options?

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by initram on Jan 5, 2009 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I doubt it either

That Hill makes the squad. As noted, I think he gets dealt, but until he does, his name does deserve to be in the conversation. If he can somewhat iron out his mechanics, then the curve could be a weapon as a LOOGY.

a) Say Fukudome doesn’t develop and Theriot comes back to earth. Both are fair assumptions. When Z’s not hitting, if the above combination occurs, the bottom three looks weak. I’m not suggesting it will be weak – I think Kosuke will take steps forward this year, but what I am suggesting is that, on paper, there are fair questions.

b) I’ve always thought the idea that a righty heavy team didn’t need a righty bat off the bench in the NL was a bit foolish, as your PH may come in at the pitcher spot, so you’d look for the best matchups you can find. I don’t think Pinella is necessarily going speed/athleticism, but rather, that Pinella is somewhat constrained, so I don’t necessarily see a spot where we can add a righty bat anyways, but was just pointing it out. You need your speed/range guy like Gathright off the bench. They aren’t going to find better than Reed Johnson as a 4th OF/platoon CF.

c) What LOOGY are we landing for Pie/Vizcaino/and others without overpaying? Look at how teams are gobbling up random, bad lefties. And if we overpay, we might as well turn to the system and see if Jeremy Papelbon or Casey Lambert are ready as there aren’t really any quality LOOGY’s that are likely to be moved early, and not for a package like Pie/Vizcaino without overpaying..

d) I’m fairly certain Wuertz is out of options. I like Guzman … gotta see if he can stay healthy AND perform, though. As for Samardzija, I think he’ll be in the bigs at the start of the year in some role.

by toonsterwu on Jan 5, 2009 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Very Well Thought Out...

… thank you for your perspective. I, too, think Wuertz is out of options. Not sure what LOOGY options are out there for us.

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by initram on Jan 5, 2009 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

On the LOOGY issue

Honestly, I’d give Casey Lambert a long, long, freaking long hard look this spring. He has the stuff, a solid fastball and a nasty breaker.

The tough thing with Papelbon is that, without Papelbon, there’s really no viable lefty in the upper levels that is close to ready that likely can be stretched out. I just made a post in my minor league thread about this, and while this isn’t a huge factor, I wonder if it ends up playing a slim role, IF Papelbon is even considered.

Again, I won’t be surprised that, if we don’t make any other moves, that Lou keeps Marshall in the pen. We have the money for a pen signing if we wanted (even after Bradley, we should have a couple million free, and if we wanted to clear more, say adios to Wuertz, and we can probably save a mil or two by moving Luis). I just don’t see them pursuing a Beimel type guy right now.

by toonsterwu on Jan 5, 2009 6:26 PM CST up reply actions  

The other problem

is 2nd baseman Fontenot is the only player on the bench to backup SS and 3rd. If Miles truly is the starter then somehow they need another reserve that can play the infield. People didn’t like Cedeno but he could play multiple positions.

I wonder if the Cubs aren’t planning on Fontenot as the starter and Miles as super reserve. Otherwise the roster just doesn’t work right now.

by rlpete on Jan 5, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Not really...

if Miles is the starter and Theriot gets hurt, then Miles moves to SS and Fontenot enters at 2B.

If you assume Miles can play SS at all, then it doesn’t really matter whether he’s the super sub or a starter.

by SouthernCub on Jan 5, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Fontenot

Fontenot should be the starter as he is a superior defender and has power. Miles can back-up at 3rd, 2nd, and short meaning he will still get a lot of playing time. It would be a shock for Miles to get more starts at 2nd than Fontenot.

by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jan 5, 2009 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

That is an awesome username.

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by znohitter on Jan 5, 2009 9:19 PM CST up reply actions  

My guess

is that Fontenot/Miles/Theriot will all see their fair share of time, with Fontenot/Miles perhaps starting together a decent amount.

by toonsterwu on Jan 5, 2009 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

your right

Fontenot will start with Miles a super sub.

-clarknaddison

by clarknaddison on Jan 5, 2009 5:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Hee -

Damn, now you’ve copyrighted “Marshall will likely be a 5th starter.” How much is the fee every time that phrase is utilized?

by N Oakley on Jan 5, 2009 3:40 PM CST reply actions  

Rich Aurilia fits a need

Cubs need another utility infielder who is also capable of playing 1st base and is proven in the pinch hitting department. Rich Aurilia fits the need to a tee.

by BLou on Jan 5, 2009 8:58 PM CST reply actions  

We Have No More Room, Though, Right?

5 SP, 7 RP, 1 backup catcher and 8 every day guys leaves us with 4 other players…

That’s 2 OF and 2 IF – Gathright, RJ, Hoff and Miles. Cedeno is out, as are others, unless Lou wants to go with 11 pitchers (which I doubt he will)…

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by initram on Jan 6, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions  

He Has To...

…else we go and get a power guy who can backup first.

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by initram on Jan 6, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

I believe Aurilia..

was his answer.

Free Ronny Cedeno

by Kansas25 on Jan 6, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

To what question?

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jan 6, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

to the "power" guy who can back up 1B...

and 3B. Though I don’t think anybody really calls Aurilia a power guy anymore.

by SouthernCub on Jan 6, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

That was my point. I don't think Aurilia is the answer to any

question the we have.

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"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jan 6, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Who is this guy?

I’ll take “Norsemen of the Apocalypse” for $400, Alex.

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by znohitter on Jan 6, 2009 6:18 PM CST up reply actions  

And yet you fail to realize

that we are not BlueMike…so our input is rather trivial.

Free Ronny Cedeno

by Kansas25 on Jan 6, 2009 11:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I haven't had time to read through the posts.....

…..but I highly doubt the Cubs sign a free agent catcher. If Blanco doesn’t come back it’ll be Koyie.

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by cubswynn on Jan 6, 2009 12:10 AM CST reply actions  

You Need Depth...

… and if Bako can be had for $500K, that’s peanuts.

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by initram on Jan 6, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Not to mention...

…Guzman is gonna be a monster next season. Mark. It. Down.

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by cubswynn on Jan 6, 2009 12:12 AM CST reply actions  

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