I'm not a GM......
and good thing i'm not I suppose. Admittedly, I have not kept up as much lately as normal (a thing called work has kept me away). Wow, I leave the ESPN/Cubs blog world and come back to find Wood gone, DeRosa gone, someone named Gathright, Miles, and now we're signing Milton Bradley, a.k.a, Terrell Owens in a baseball uniform.
What a difference an offseason makes I suppose. I think we let our heart go and signed a cancer in its place. hopefully, someone will keep Mr. Milton in check. Those type players almost always come back to bite you at some point. Remember Terrell Owens crying about how much he loved Romo and now he's up in arms over not getting the ball enough? Let's just hope Bradley explodes towards the end of the deal and not the beginning. If he blows up after an October success, then I guess i can live with it......
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There's a bit of a difference between Owens and Bradley...
Owens plays a team game and relies on others to get his numbers. Bradley plays an individual team game, and can get his numbers on his own.
Owens is a Hall of Famer...
Bradley is not.
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Jan 6, 2009 9:10 AM CST up reply actions
Owens stays healthy. Bradley does not.
There are lots of differences. My point regarding “clubhouse cancer” is that “clubhouse cancer” is a much bigger deal in true team sports like football than in more individual sports like baseball.
That said, teams tend to do better with Owens than without him, largely because he’s a Hall-of-Famer.
Plus if you believe Texas manager Ron Washington
Bradley wants to win very badly. Sometimes even too much which leads to some of his outbursts.
Owens wants to win but only if he is the reason for winning.
He ABSOLUTELY is.
4th in All Time TD’s (regardless of position)- 2nd All Time receiving TD’s
6th in All Time Receptions
13,000 Receiving Yards
Most catches in a game….
He will also probably pass Rice in a few categories…
HOF for sure.
But I digress…
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Jan 6, 2009 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
Not a "clubhouse" cancer...
His problems have never been with fellow players. By all accounts he is a good teammate. I do see a possibility of him having a spat or two with Cubs fans (or the press), which means he might make himself unpopular, but not with the players.
Stop looking at me, swan.
by eriod on Jan 6, 2009 9:52 AM CST reply actions 5 recs
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People should understand what they are saying before spouting off about clubhouse cancers.
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Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
Agreed.
Look for trouble in the right field bleachers or above the Cubs dugout. And perhaps in the locker room if a beat reporter uses the wrong turn of phrase. (Paul Sullivan? Nah, too mousy. Gordo? Nah, too Walrusy. Rick Telander? There ya go.) Y’know, I never thought I’d say this, but I’m almost sorry Jay Mariotti isn’t still covering Chicago teams full time.
I can’t imagine Pat Hughes, Ron Santo, Corey Provus or Len Kasper getting on his bad side, but I could see BB making some comments that rub Bradley the wrong way. Now that would be an interesting confrontation. “Yes, Milton. You’re right. I’m sorry.”
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
By all accounts
Bradley should be Brenly’s type of player, no? Doesn’t he play hard and show passion for the game?
Your point stands that Brenly alone among the bunch would challenge a player, though. If you listen to those post game press conferences with the beat writers, they are awfully meek sometimes in their questioning.
"Who's Bob Brenly? The guy that used to be the manager for Arizona?" ~ Alfonso Guilleard Soriano
Muskat
confrontation
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 6, 2009 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
Now that would be a YouTube classic for the ages.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
Sign Albert Belle.
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Jan 6, 2009 9:53 AM CST reply actions
Someone smarter than me will know this
What kind of arm does Gameboard have?
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
Pretty good arm...
When healthy, he’s actually a pretty good defensive player with good range and a strong arm. It’s the health part that is the problem.
Last year’s role as a DH is sort of a red herring. He was still recovering from his knee injury and Texas had a pretty strong defensive OF to begin with. So he fit nicely as the DH. But he’s got the arm of a CF or RF and has historically had the range of a CF.
Obviously the health thing is a concern
I think that goes without saying now, right? But that’s interesting to hear he can play defense pretty well. When is someone going to come up with a way to measure range and arm strength quantitatively?
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
That is an interesting question...
It depends on whom you ask about a good measure of defensive ability. Some say we’re already there. Others say it’ll take a long time to get there because it’s too difficult to measure the speed/trajectory of the hit, the position of the defender, etc, and thus even the current best measures are too subjective.
But we aren’t talking about a defensive liability with Bradley as long as he’s on the field. We’re talking about a guy who’s played plus defense in CF or RF for the majority of his career. I’m not sure where people on BCB got that he was a poor defender – probably based on the fact that Texas DHed him last year while he recovered from the knee injury.
Here are some scouting reports:
http://www2.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/players/Milton_Bradley/
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/playerScouting?categoryId=85647 (a bit old, but Bradley isn’t old so it’s probably still pretty accurate)
Thanks for the info.
It would be cool to see someone develop a rating for range. I think it would have to do with what you said, the speed and trajectory or the ball, but also the speed and length of distance the outfielder made up to get to said ball.
Arm strength would be a lot easier to quantify. It would have to a combination of accuracy and speed.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
Gotta love that "Transactions / Injuries / Suspensions" section.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
i hope
he turns out to be a great addition. but i do disagree with above comments and say baseball is definitely a team game – that’s quite indisputable. it does have elements of individual play though.
Bradley is kind of like obama to me – i didn’t like him but i’m pulling for him now!
Baseball is the least "team" of any of the team sports...
Nobody is helping the batter hit the pitch. Nobody is helping the fielder field the ball or make the throw. Nobody is helping the pitcher make the pitch.
In football and basketball, teammates have to work as a team in every facet of the game. Sure – there are certain aspects of baseball where teamwork comes into play, such as the pitcher/catcher interaction and the double play. But compared to other team sports, baseball is MUCH more individually driven.
by SouthernCub on Jan 6, 2009 12:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I mostly agree.
The impact of the team is mostly in shaping the parameters for which the individual has to perform. The types of pitches you see, the location of the pitches (including how hit-able they’ll be) are all often sizeably reflective of the circumstances created by your teammates, for example. (The other part of course being the individual’s ability to perform)
Anyhoo, I’m not disagreeing with you. Baseball is more individual than the other major team sports. But it’s interesting (among other reasons) because it’s an individual game set within a massively complex system of variables determined in large part by your fellow teammates. In Bradley’s case, since he seems to give it his all on the field, his personal issues shouldn’t impact any of those team-related issues. The only time it would matter is, for example, if he stopped caring and therefore didn’t try. Teams would be able to adapt to that, and it would then change how they interacted with the other Cubs.
That’s why Manny is such a cancer. Bradley, for all his idiosyncracies, won’t be a problem so long as he continues to play hard..
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jan 6, 2009 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
I agree and disagree
Sometimes, a super-star in basketball can single-handedly win a game. Sure, there are 4 other guys with him out on the court, making passes and setting picks. But you can’t tell me that a guy who puts up 40+ in a games is relying that much on his teammates, they are relying on him.
Similarly, I feel, in Football, a great Quarterback can make a mediocre receiving team look amazing, and, virtually, single-handedly win a game for his team. Yes, blocks have to made, routes need to be run, and catches need to be made. But you cannot convince me that a Quarterback can’t put a team on his shoulders at times.
Baseball has much more individual interaction than the other sports. It’s virtually a 1v1 (if you don’t count the catcher, which I do) battle every at-bat, and by and large, each defensive play is a one man effort. However, each individual act has little meaning on it’s own, other than the strikeout. A leadoff single doesn’t result in anything. It takes at least another hit (generally speaking) if not multiple to get that guy home. Meaning, just because you, as an individual, did you’re job (getting a hit) you need to rely on your teammates to finish the job to make that hit mean something.
The only way a single player can put a team on his shoulders (really) is a starting pitcher pitching a CG shutout. And even then there are likely to be numerous difficult defensive plays that fall upon the teams shoulders. A guy could go 5 for 5 at the plate, and unless he hits a HR, he may have made no effect on the final score.
So yes, Baseball can be incredibly individual at times, but each individual achievement is less significant, in my opinion, than those in other sports. You perform as an individual, but you get nowhere without the rest of your team.
by WittyUserName on Jan 6, 2009 6:35 PM CST up reply actions
I don't disagree at all...
My point was not that individauls affect the game more in baseball. My point was that individual performance is more isolated in baseball than in any other team sport.
Clearly, basketball has the most potential for an individual talent to dominate a game (due to the fewer number of players playing and the ease with which you can score points). But a team can work defensively together to try to stop an individual (double-teams, triple-teams), whereas a pitcher ultimately is making the pitch by himself.
Ultimately the individual batter has much less impact than a star basketball player can have, but that’s not my point. My point is that baseball is much more a series of isolated individual performances than basketball or football (or hockey or soccer), which involve much more a synthesis of individual performance and teamwork.
defining different metaphors
outside of hitting a HR or striking a guy out, or making a unassisted put out, baseball is a team sport where individuals perform athletic plays in consort with others.
The thing is baseball is as much a team sport mentally as any, in fact more. If you are on the bench waiting for your turn at bats you will talk to the recent batters to know what kind of stuff the pitcher is tossing, that is communication and working together, in the field whether you are in the infield or outfield you are applying which pitch and location of the pitch to a particular batter so you can “cheat” and position yourself accordingly. If in the OF and need to make a relay throw you need to make it so that the relay IF’er can make a better throw.
The thing is the game is played by individual plays in consort with the corresponding individual play by others.
The other deal is like any organization, living and working together.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
Baseball is less team-oriented in performance...
than any other team sport. Even “in consort with others,” individual performance in baseball is more isolated than in any other team sport.
I didn’t say that baseball is exclusively individual, and that appears to be the distinction people keep getting hung up on. I said it’s MORE individual than any of the other team sports.
All of the things you suggest about baseball teamwork (communication, advice, signals) occur in the other sports. The difference is that, in those other sports, teammates work together in the action on every play. With the exception of the double play, or the relay throw, that’s pretty much not the case. The hitter doesn’t have a teammate come in and swing if he misses the pitch. The RF doesn’t have someone else make the catch in the corner if he can’t make the play. Much more of the action is isolated individual performance in baseball than in any other sport.
Again – baseball is still a team game. There are certainly components of baseball that are team-oriented. It’s just LESS team-oriented than any other team sport.
I think you said it best
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nd good thing i’m not I suppose. Admittedly, I have not kept up…
Let me explain some things:
Cubs needed to improve and needed to move some salaries/liabilities off the balance sheet where they had redundancy or even better, younger, potential players ready to move up—-Marmol as closer (0.91-WHIP versus Wood 1.16-WHIP and saving $9.5M and another $10M in 2010.
DeRosa a good player, but also expensive at $5.5 when you have two players at $900K will offer the same production and with Miles and Johnson amounting to $$5.2M for the same roles….DeRosa provided the Cubs three good arm prospects.
Bradley is the missing link that Piniella as a manager knows is needed to make an opposing playoff team change their game so in game situations we have a left handed thumper. He replaces Edmonds’ production but is a better athlete and the propaganda the sports writers have put in the heads of fans is just that propaganda. That doesn’t mean Bradley does not have to be managed but that is why you have Piniella and Co.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
actually I think Stevens see's a Cub uniform this summer
on himself and Gaub could be a real sleeper
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
Unless they're traded.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
that is always the caveat for minor leaguer isn't it?
Now as for the Cubs organization they didn’t say they were flipping him like a house…as you well know…
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We are thrilled to acquire three strong, young arms in Jeff Stevens, John Gaub and Chris Archer,” said Cubs General Manager Jim Hendry. "They are significant additions to our system and have received universally high marks from our scouts, notably Stan Zielinski.
‘’We certainly wouldn’t close the door on anything,‘’ general manager Jim Hendry said when asked about the desire to replace the starting pitcher he might lose in a trade. ’’Once we add the outfielder we want to add, we’ll take a good look where we’re at. The pen is getting deeper and deeper. We’ll see how we want to shape up the starting situation, whether we pursue somebody else or use somebody internally in that role.’’
So they gave permission to speculate.
Stevens is a part of that burgeoning pitching stable.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

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