OT - Vick as Bears QB?
by Worf on Jan 6, 2009 3:33 PM CST
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You know how I'm always ranting about how off-field deeds mean nothing? I defended Bradley in this regard.
Not when it comes to animal cruelty. If Zambrano, Ramirez, Soto, Lee and Lilly were in a dogfighting ring, I'd want all their asses shipped out. Bring up half the AAA roster. Lose 112 games. I wouldn't care.
Let's just hope this is a hack practicing her hackery for a hack publication. Or that she drank too much over the holidays and needed a quick bit of hack.
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feel better??
get it all out?? how about you stick to baseball as this is a chicago cubs blog.
Dear Santa:: All I want for X-mas this year is an official 2009 Jake Peavy Cubs Jersey. Oh and a Beimel one too. I've been a real good guy for the most part!!!
It says OT
Quick, someone go to cubsluver’s house! Someone has a gun to his head and is forcing him to click on posts against his will!
Hold on, cubsluver! You will live to hate Bradley! Just hold on! Help is on the way!
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
dude
your out of line.
Dear Santa:: All I want for X-mas this year is an official 2009 Jake Peavy Cubs Jersey. Oh and a Beimel one too. I've been a real good guy for the most part!!!
No, you're out of line.
If you don’t want to read the post, don’t read it. There are Bears fans here, it’s the middle of the week, and the post is CLEARLY marked off topic.
Relax, please.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
lmao
I was toying with him a little because he always goes off the deep end when I do it. Was a liitle humor for myself. sorry!
Dear Santa:: All I want for X-mas this year is an official 2009 Jake Peavy Cubs Jersey. Oh and a Beimel one too. I've been a real good guy for the most part!!!
OK, explanation accepted.
You should use the sarcasm indicator. Here it is:
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Explanation NOT accepted
Find me where I’ve done that. I couldn’t care less who posts what here. You’ve got me confused with someone else.
Do better next time.
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
Relax...
Someone feels like talking a little football with the guys he usually chats baseball with. Not a problem with me.
This is a hell of a lot better than “Should Hendry go after Peavy again?”
or how about this:
“Tex Unveiled at Yankee Stadium”
He put OT....chill my brother
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 6, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
this is less about football
and more like a drunken rant about an off topic article that he dont agree with. I will repeat this is a baseball blog. he already started another OT post about football, this could have went under there. there are well thought out baseball post on a baseball blog that get knocked down because of un needed post like these.
Dear Santa:: All I want for X-mas this year is an official 2009 Jake Peavy Cubs Jersey. Oh and a Beimel one too. I've been a real good guy for the most part!!!
Recommend the well thought out posts, then.
That way, they’ll get in the rec list and solve that problem.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Or, make an executive decision
to click on the “All Fanposts” button.
Sorry, Al. You’re handling this. I won’t engage him again.
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
You're right...
When topics disappear off the ‘Recent Fanpost’ list they are gone FOREVER.
If they are good topics they will get Rec’d and will be readily available for continued discussion.
Wow
Didn’t hafta click on da post. Just sayin’.
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by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jan 6, 2009 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
Eh, Vick's not for me...
First, this is almost certainly a fluff editorial piece.
But as you said, I’m not a fan of anyone who treats animals the way Vick did. That’s just inexcusable.
Aside from that though, I’m not sure he’s a great fit on the field anyway. Vick was (and may still be) an amazing athlete and runner. But he wasn’t a terribly good quarterback. Of course, that may have been simply due to the Falcons trying to make him something he wasn’t by forcing the West Coast offense on him. It may be that in the right system (one that doesn’t focus on quick timing patterns and short, accurate throws and instead allows him to drop back deeper, scramble more, and make plays downfield) he can still excel as a QB. And he’d be a perfect fit for the “wildcat” formation – you wouldn’t even have to replace him with a RB.
I've been/was a huge fan...
but I don’t really know about this one.
There is no way he is in playing shape after he is released and I see no way that he gets by this without some sort of disciplinary reaction from Roger Goodell.
Some have said that he could possibly comeback as a return man, maybe even a running back.
He wasn’t the best passer to begin with but maybe that was because Atlanta, like the Bears, didn’t have any good targets. His best target throughout his Atlanta career was TE Alge Crumpler.
He’ll get a shot somewhere at being a QB again. I just don’t really know how’d I’d feel if he was a Bear. He definitely won’t be playing until he’s had months of training.
How about this?
He can play for whoever, if he signs a contract stating that when he throws an INT, his coach gets to treat him the way he treated dogs who lost fights.
Seriously, I imagine he’ll get some looks as a wide receiver. And there is always Canada.
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
Haha, what a contract stipulation.
Maybe he could get some WR lessons from his brother, Marcus.
He had a hell of a career at Miami, didn’t he?
Vick will never play in the NFL again...
He might get someone up north to give him a chance, but I doubt it.
Jimmyeatworld
I dunno... I think it would be tempting enough...
for owners and GMs to take a chance on him.
The question would be whether or not he’d stick around on a teams roster.
Talent
From a pure talent aspect, he makes a lot of sense for some teams. The Lions and Raiders come to mind.
Still, I just don’t see anyone, even Jerry Jones, taking the chance from a PR perspective if nothing else.
by Tangled Up In Blue on Jan 6, 2009 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
Some owners could care less about PR. Al Davis has proven that.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jan 6, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
Very True
Even with all of the character issues in the league though, from a pr stand point, nothing has attracted this much media attention and public out cry as the Vick case in terms on NFL players. Guns, drugs, domestic violence, etc, are all widely covered, but usually die down after a public apology, rehab, etc…
Vick’s “dogs” were even on the cover of this week’s SI. This case isn’t going away anytime soon and IMHO even someone as souless as Al Davis wouldn’t sign him. Altough, I should say, nothing would surprise me.
by Tangled Up In Blue on Jan 6, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
Let's see. Pacman Jones, Ricky Williams, Tank Johnson. He's got a shot. I know that
none of those guys have spent significant time in the pokey, but there is a large contingent of football fans out there who could care less about the treatment of innocent animals. As I said before, he’s got a shot.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jan 6, 2009 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
The Winnipeg Blue Bombers
have his CFL rights, which is exactly how it sounds. If he comes to the CFL, he has to sign with the Bombers
Los Cachorros!
that's because one Canadian football team
is worth 1/2 of an American football team. :D
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 6, 2009 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
Not just one
We just have the Saskatchewan Roughriders (no space). The Ottawa Rough Riders (space) folded in 1996.
Los Cachorros!
Horrible PR Move
The Bears made such a media fuss over letting go Tank Johnson and Cedric Benson that to turn around and even publically consider Vick would be in poor judgment. Couple that with the fact that he isn’t suited to play in Turner’s Offense and I don’t see this happening.
IMHO he for sure won’t play this year in the NFL and I would be shocked (if not a little disgusted) if he gets the chance to play again.
by Tangled Up In Blue on Jan 6, 2009 3:57 PM CST reply actions
I hope you are right...
There was a reason that he went back to college ball from the offensive coordinator post.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jan 6, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
True
Still don’t think a running QB would fit into the way that Lovie and Angelo have built the team. They rely on the run and intermediate passing game, which means more defenders in the box, thus limiting the mobility of your QB. Even if Turner weren’t there next season, the Bears don’t have the players to expand the field, even with a QB with mobility and arm strength such as Vick’s.
by Tangled Up In Blue on Jan 6, 2009 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
Am I the only one who thought Turner did an admirable job this season
with minimal talent at the skill positions?
Now Babich is another story…
http://thegettinplace.blogspot.com/
Turner
I agree he did do a an admirable job this year. I especially was impressed with Hester’s progress and look forward to seeing how good he can be. However, I’m not the biggest Turner fan and don’t think he is the OC that can take the Bears to the next level.
by Tangled Up In Blue on Jan 6, 2009 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
For the most part I agree.
However I do feel that if Turner had a QB capable of making all the necessary reads/throws, that perhaps the offense would shine. It has shown flashes of explosiveness with Rexy airing it out to start ’06 and pre-ankle neckbeard this season.
http://thegettinplace.blogspot.com/
Also, I like how the Bears...
Are courting Rod Marinelli.
WHY?
That perfect just too much to overlook for Angelo?
Please.
I think he got an interview in Seattle too
My mind is boggling.
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
That would have been nice too...
Bob Babich doesn’t impress me too much, either.
Ron Rivera deserved the money the Bears didn’t want to give him.
The Bears want Marinelli as Defensive Line coach but I say hell with that altogether.
It seemed like Lovie and Rivera
were at odds with one another. It was odd that after all that praise was heaped on him, he ended up a linebackers coach.
Of course that has been rectified now and he’s proving his worth as a coordinator once again.
http://thegettinplace.blogspot.com/
because
he is regarded as one of the best D-line coaches in the NFL and coached with Lovie and Dungy in the Tampa 2 defense
Exactly
He is a great defensive mind and defensive coach. I agree with Kinky, the Bears should have held onto Rivera. Lovie likes to surround himself with his guys and Babich and Marinelli have coached with him before.
Keep in mind that Marinelli wasn’t solely to blame for the Lions being so bad. Matt Millen, IMHO, has set the franchise back ten years or more.
by Tangled Up In Blue on Jan 6, 2009 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
But if he goes winless as a head coach...
That might say something about how he goes about his job(s) as of late.
I agree that the players have to be held accountable to some extent but I feel like Rod had more to do with it.
Detroit’s defense / defensive line was horrible last year. You’d think that a head coaches area of expertise would show some promise and that he would care how his coaching his area of expertise.
Not trying to let Marinelli off the hook.
He has proven to be an absolute train wreck as a head coach. I just think that some guys were born to be assistants, and Marinelli might be one of them. I know he put one of the worst D’s in the league out onto the field every week this year, but I don’t think his joining the Bears staff would be as horrible as it first appears.
by Tangled Up In Blue on Jan 6, 2009 4:16 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly
Exactly. The Cubs have someone on their bench who’s contributions to the last 2 seasons as bench coach can’t be ignored but possibly is hot a manager in Alan trammel.
In football you have guys who are either not good head coach but good coordinators or college coaches like Dave Wannstedt or Pete Carroll.
Barbara V. October 14, 1941 - December 19, 2008. A great lady who was a friend to all and like a second mom to her children's friends (she was my best friend's mom)
by puckishcubsfan on Jan 7, 2009 7:06 AM CST up reply actions
he's supposed to be
one of Lovie’s friends, and Lovie wanted to bring him when Lovie came to the Bears.
Lovie lovie lovie… some words look weird…
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by drewishdrewid on Jan 6, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
Actually
Actually he is considered a good position coach even a Defensive Coordinator just not a head coach.
The Cubs have someone on their bench who fits that description in Alan Trammel.
Barbara V. October 14, 1941 - December 19, 2008. A great lady who was a friend to all and like a second mom to her children's friends (she was my best friend's mom)
by puckishcubsfan on Jan 7, 2009 7:04 AM CST up reply actions
As a Niners Fan,
Thanks for not securing the Hall of Fame Bears LB Mike Singletary, and allowing him to come west, drop trow, and turn the team around. That guy’s a blessing for this screwed up franchise.
I don't ever want to
see Vick in a Bears uniform. If Carol wrote this to get attention well she’s got it.
sometimes attention is attained by controversy
She’s done her job as a columnist, regardless if her ideas are off base more often than on base.
As for the topic, eh on Michael Vick. No one is a bigger dog lover than me but I try to look past this and ask the question of a QB and there’s a couple other guys I’d like to see have a chance here before Vick, one who should be easier to obtain, the other more difficult.
They are Warner and McNabb, respectively.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
after Sunday
McNabb isn’t going anywhere.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 6, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
I know....
sad but true. Only thing making this bearable (no pun) was he beat the queens.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
Especially the bit about practicing with toilet paper while night-stocking at a Hy-Vee in Waterloo.
Bleed Cubbie Blue: Like Drāno for your internet tubes.
Aramis
wasn’t he involved in cock-fighting? I apologize if i have my facts wrong here, but I know cock-fighting is viewed VERY differently in the Caribbean and Latin cultures and I thought Aramis was tied to it
just food for thought for the poster citing:
“If Zambrano, Ramirez, Soto, Lee and Lilly were in a dogfighting ring, I’d want all their asses shipped out. Bring up half the AAA roster. Lose 112 games. I wouldn’t care.”
by DartmouthCubsFan on Jan 6, 2009 4:39 PM CST reply actions
He was involved in cockfighting in the Dominican...
Where incidentally cockfighting is legal.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jan 6, 2009 4:53 PM CST up reply actions
the legality of the issue
has little to do with the question of morality that is raised by the poster above
i assume if you view dog-fighting in such harsh ways as the poster above describes you’d feel similarly about cock-fighting, but maybe not since roosters aren’t man’s best friend
by DartmouthCubsFan on Jan 6, 2009 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know about you....but my Cock is my best friend...just like this guy.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 6, 2009 6:03 PM CST up reply actions
"Lad, I don't know where you been, but I see you won first prize..."
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Looks like little Jerry Seinfeld!
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jan 8, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
That was my first thought as well.
Also, Worf seems to prefer wife-beaters to dog-fighters, which is ridiculous in my opinion. I don’t agree with anything in the post.
I wonder how he feels about...
people that beat their wives with dogs?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 6, 2009 6:32 PM CST up reply actions
Instant death penalty
not even a trial.
The same holds true if they beat their dogs with their wives, by the way.
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
I dont either
but hey I almost never agree with anything he says.
Dear Santa:: All I want for X-mas this year is an official 2009 Jake Peavy Cubs Jersey. Oh and a Beimel one too. I've been a real good guy for the most part!!!
Maybe you should just avoid his posts, then.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I don't prefer either one
If you’re asking me which one boils my blood faster, it’s the dog-beaters.
I despise wife-beaters.
But a battered spouse can cry for help. She is not dependent on the man to feed her, let her out to go to the bathroom and groom her for fleas.
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
You've never been to Arkansas have you?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 6, 2009 11:43 PM CST up reply actions
Something I wrote at another blog
Let’s not forget though it wasn’t like Vick was at one fight that got busted. He was the financier of a fairly large criminal enterprise. Dog fighting usually brings out scum. There was probably other illegal activity going on his property such as guns, drugs, gambling, etc… It just wasn’t the killing of the dogs. If he gets released and is suspended for another year (likely), he won’t come back to the league until 2010. In 2006, he only had a passer rating was only 75.7 with a completion rate of 52.6%. In 2010, he wouldn’t have played in over 3 years, would be 30 years old and probably wouldn’t be in the best of shape. And let’s not forget that there were a ton of character issues before this happened. If you’re an NFL team, would you risk the backlash to sign this guy?
Old Style is the nectar of life.
Agreed, Mordecai.
I hate what he did, but he’s doing his time, and justice is served.
However, as a NFL QB, he was vastly overrated. He’s obviously not the smart of a person, which is critical in being a franchise player. Vick is just another Kordell Stewart, and that didn’t work out too well last time.
I completely agree
he will server his time, but it won’t change the person he is.
He was almost smiling when he was publicly apologising, apparently thinking it was all he needed to do.
As for his performance on the field, he has a very strong arm, and uses it to an extreme. He overthrows.
A great deal of being a good QB versus a very talented one, is getting the ball to the receivers in a manner of which they can catch the ball. Vick could not do that with the Falcons and I think I would take Gross-man to Vick for Da Bears anyday.
You know,
the only thing Michael Vick has been able to do while in prison is work out.
WORK OUT.
And then work out some more.
I think he will be in fine shape…
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Jan 6, 2009 4:50 PM CST reply actions
Are there opportunities for extensive cardio in prison?
http://thegettinplace.blogspot.com/
if you're not in solitary
and you have access to the yard, sure, why not?
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 7, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
Yea I was kinda hoping someone would take a stab at that one.
Or should I say, shank…
I’m sorry.
http://thegettinplace.blogspot.com/
wORK OUT
Work out yes but not football workouts for 2 years.
Well some people say the Bears lack a killer instinct and Vick certainly has that!
Barbara V. October 14, 1941 - December 19, 2008. A great lady who was a friend to all and like a second mom to her children's friends (she was my best friend's mom)
by puckishcubsfan on Jan 7, 2009 7:00 AM CST up reply actions
YAWN.....They're still playing pro football?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 6, 2009 5:01 PM CST reply actions
yesssssssssss ... ech
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
uhh, HELL NO
even if he wasn’t involved with the dog incident in the first place, he is a terrible passer. Sure he could run around and stuff but not even better than Orton
He is better than Orton
He is better than Orton but still no way. I’d rather lose 12 games with Orton next year than 11 with Vick.
He is not enough better than Orton to justify this.
Barbara V. October 14, 1941 - December 19, 2008. A great lady who was a friend to all and like a second mom to her children's friends (she was my best friend's mom)
by puckishcubsfan on Jan 7, 2009 7:01 AM CST up reply actions
Regardless of your opinion of Vick
the man, he’s a great athlete. Unfortunately for him, he’s not a good quarterback.
The bears already have one great athlete they can’t get the ball (Hester), don’t need one more.
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