Sun Times Article Resurrects Peavy Trade
by Cub In NC on Jan 7, 2009 11:19 AM CST
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Here we go again with the Peavy talk.
This article was written by Gordon Wittenmyer of the Chicago Sun Times.
This entire notion will rest on the new owners. Will they be ready to celebrate by trading for a Cy Young winner? Also what will happen with the third team that was to be involved? Will the Cubs be able to satisfy the trade demand within their own organization? How about the three decent quality pitchers received in the DeRosa deal?
Needless to say, here we go again.
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I don't think
these type of articles are going to stop until Peavy is either traded or the season begins. I hope it happens. Adding Peavy to our rotation would just be ridiculous but I don’t see it happening.
by Blaze22 on Jan 7, 2009 11:25 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yup
thats the long and short of it
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jan 7, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TWHS
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 7, 2009 11:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
pretty much every major source has said there is still substance to these talks and I would imagine the deal gets done right after the Cubs are sold.
by SignedSealed&Delivered on Jan 7, 2009 11:30 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Substance?
No, there’s idle speculation on the part of the writers. For example, you said “I would imagine the deal gets done right after the Cubs are sold.”
On what basis do you say that? Where’s the info that tells you that? The Cub sale might happen next week. Do you think Hendry suddenly says, “OK, Kevin, let’s go?”
Deals don’t work that way.
Wittenmyer has been known to make stuff up before. I suspect this is MOTS.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jan 7, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I agree rec'd
The sale appears to be raising the need for cash in the deal and probably personally leveraging it, that is why the private equity group might be the dark horse in this bidding. The Ameritrade group might have personal reserves but this is suppressing the price.
Also Zell’s selling Wrigley Field is an interesting twist and will lower the price since it is a hard asset but also lower the cash needed to close it.
Either way that then says whether the new owners than either say they are willing to bank $150M in payroll this year and $161M minimum next year.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Jan 7, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, FYI, it doesn't appear you actually rec'd Al's post.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 7, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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by tony412 on Jan 7, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There, what you did, I see
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 7, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you spec'd
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 7, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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by tony412 on Jan 7, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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by digitalbenjamin on Jan 7, 2009 4:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
poun'd san'd
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by znohitter on Jan 7, 2009 9:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hendry found a way to move some payroll this year
when many thought he’d be stuck with Marquis. He can do so again next year, if needed. One way is by not bringing back Kevin Gregg.
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!
by CubFaninCA on Jan 7, 2009 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In the article, Gordo cites "those close to Hendry."
I prefer my sources a little more specific. And, as I mentioned in the other thread in which I posted a link to this same article, Wittenmyer names Guzman and Hart as candidates for the starting rotation, which makes me question how closely he’s really paying attention.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 7, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll let you in on a secret.
I am that source. At the time I e-mailed Wittenmyer on my Blackberry, I was in a checkout line at the Jewel and Jim Hendry was right in front of me. I asked him if we were going to get Peavy after all, and he said to me, “What do you think?”
by Flatley on Jan 7, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Next time tell him that if he even considers...
…putting Kevin Hart in the starting rotation, we’re going to have him impeached.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 7, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just did 50 reps.
I’m so ripped.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 7, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OK, OK...just to show that I'm a fair guy...
…I was just reading Bruce Miles blog entry on the Marquis trade and it appears Jim Hendry really did refer to Guzman and Hart as possibilities for the starting rotation. So I guess I owe Gordo an apology for implying that he might not be paying attention.
Why Hendry/Lou would even consider blowing out Guzman’s arm again by putting him in a starter’s role, I don’t know. And why they’d look to Kevin Hart, who put up positively DISMAL numbers this past year (2.060 WHIP!), I don’t know either. But there you have it.
RIP Ron Asheton (1948-2009)
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 8, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
With the unexpected arrival
of Jeff Moorad as the probable new owner of the Padres, I now would have to think this deal is completely off the table.
However, had this situation not taken place, Peavy would have become a Cub, eventually — at least, by the trade deadline. The only way this could still happen is if Peavy forces their hand, and asks for a trade.
There’s still talk in this market that Peavy would like to be a Cub. But, so what? The situation has changed here, probably for the better — at least for the future of the Padres. (if we actually care)
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jan 7, 2009 10:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So where are you taking Al for dinner?
RIP Ron Asheton (1948-2009)
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 8, 2009 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, I'd rather have Pettite on a one-year 12-15 million deal
I’m not sure if this is an aberration, but Peavy’s road splits last year include a 4.28 ERA. That’s pretty similar to Pettite’s 4.54 ERA, but in the NL East.
Pettite requires no prospects; Peavy requires the farm, essentially.
Pettite on a one-year deal does not affect the 2010 payroll.
Maybe he would take 12 mill just to spite the Yankees’ 10 mill offer.
by dr stabbingworth on Jan 7, 2009 11:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
That seems like way to much money for Pettite IMO
by Blaze22 on Jan 7, 2009 11:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
http://thegettinplace.blogspot.com/
by TheTruth11 on Jan 7, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
...and to top it off
he made $16M last year.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Jan 7, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would rather spend $8M on Bedard this year
he is in his FA year and probably available for Pie, Wuertz and Hart.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Jan 7, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bedard?
You mean the guy who was hurt half of last year? No thanks.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jan 7, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We just gave a guy who has been hurt most of his career 30 million dollars...
what’s the diff?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not tempting the gods
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 7, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I wasn't in favor of doing that, either.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jan 7, 2009 3:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting thought
I spoke with a current member of the Mariners pitching staff who told me that Bedard is soft. He indicated that every pitcher has injuries like Bedard had and they pitch through them. He also indicated that Bedard didn’t have a torn labrum and that he fully expected him to have a good year in 2009 because it is indeed his contract year.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
by krummy12 on Jan 7, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What's that? Bedard is soft, you say?
In that case, this comment should go here.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 7, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but is he clutch?
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 7, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey krummy
Any chance you can ask your friend if he (or the team) would like to donate some navy alternate Mariners jerseys to an amateur baseball team in Ireland called the Mariners? Is there a guy on the team with an Irish-sounding name? Maybe he would be interested….. we’ll name an award after him or something….
"Who's Bob Brenly? The guy that used to be the manager for Arizona?" ~ Alfonso Guilleard Soriano
by JohnM on Jan 7, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Peavy does require the farm
but………….are we really worried about losing anyone in our system other than MAYBE Vitters?
by plenz on Jan 7, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
at some point
we have to rebuild our minor-league system.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 7, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We
need to win RIGHT NOW. I say trade anyone at all costs to get Peavy. But, I don’t think Hendry sees it that way.
by Blaze22 on Jan 7, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Trade
Ramirez? Z? Lilly?
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 7, 2009 12:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Win now is a fallacy
With the resources this team has, they can always put a winner on the field, especially considering the division. But if you couple a few big free agent signings with a strong farm system, you will win championships. Look at the Marlins.
Peavy is not worth the salary + prospects.
by dr stabbingworth on Jan 7, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Blaze22
the window of winning is short .. we have close to all the pieces together … we need Peavey , after all he is a cy young winner only two years ago .. secondly we need a great second baseman with speed , basestealing abilities , sure glove , great at turning doubleplays .. his name is Brian Roberts ,, plays for the O ’s … two more players I strongly think the Cubs could win it all
by CUBFANINAZ on Jan 7, 2009 5:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...sounds like you guys have it all figured out.
You should give Hendry a call and let him in on your devious scheme.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2009 5:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or just dial KOW's cell phone number...
…and meet her outside Hendry’s house in Park Ridge.
RIP Ron Asheton (1948-2009)
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 8, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed......
but I don’t think there’s much there to build on as of now. Building the system takes doing a better job drafting
by plenz on Jan 7, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's on my list...
…right after a WS win or two…!
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Jan 7, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the WS win cannot be guaranteed
how long do we wait?
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 7, 2009 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
but can’t we win and then rebuild? That would be my preference.
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on Jan 7, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rebuilding takes a long time
What happens if they don’t win with this group?
by dr stabbingworth on Jan 7, 2009 1:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why can't we win and rebuild simutaneously?
Sign FA’s
Trade
Draft and develop better
by plenz on Jan 7, 2009 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
too complicated
BIZARRO HENDRY NOT AM DO THREE THINGS AT ONCE!
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 7, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For alot
of the same reasons I was really wanting the Cubs to go after Randy Johnson on a 1 year deal but I’m sure something in the medical reports/scouting scared them off
by SignedSealed&Delivered on Jan 7, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Farm?
I think he can be had for the Vitters and either the prospects we go from the Indians and the guys that are out of options and roles on the current 25-man roster…
My 2008 Christmas wish list includes this jersey. In Hendry We Trust!
by initram on Jan 7, 2009 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rosenthal suggests the possibility of the trade that shall not be named
Although he does not speculate which team or provide any sources. Just thought I’d toss that out there.
by dr stabbingworth on Jan 7, 2009 11:47 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Last year's TTSNBN or this year's?
"Who's Bob Brenly? The guy that used to be the manager for Arizona?" ~ Alfonso Guilleard Soriano
by JohnM on Jan 7, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Roberts
is who Rosenthal is referencing. I expect rumors on Roberts to heat up, and we know a baseline on what it would take for the Orioles to make the deal, despite Kenny Williams protestations (Heyman and Kubatko indicated that the Orioles wanted Floyd plus one).
by toonsterwu on Jan 7, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That was debunked
Andy McFail couldn’t pick up the phone fast enough if the Sox were actually offering Floyd for one year of Roberts.
by dr stabbingworth on Jan 7, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no
Heyman came back yesterday and said it was legit, but talks broke down when the Orioles indicated that wasn’t enough. It’s somewhere on MLBTR. I’ll try and find the link later. Kenny Williams couldn’t get out quick enough to stop people from leaking I guess. He tried his best, going through Scott Gregor and others.
And I’ve made the case before – Gavin Floyd for Brian Roberts makes absolutely no sense for the Baltimore Orioles. Roberts is their best trade asset, a guy who will almost assuredly net two draft picks next year. Gavin Floyd is an end of the rotation starter who’s main assets are that he is cost-controlled and that he is somewhat young enough that some folks can imagine improvement. For a rebuilding team like the Orioles, a system that’s fairly deep in pitching, a team with options from AAA on down, I don’t think Floyd alone is enough to justify said move when the Orioles are fine financially and can spend to add an end of the rotation arm, like they did the other day with Koji Uehara. It just makes absolutely no sense for Baltimore to take that deal.
by toonsterwu on Jan 7, 2009 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Surprising
I guess I’ll have to disagree as to Robert’s worth, I guess. Thanks for clearing up the other part, though. I must have missed the update on that trade.
by dr stabbingworth on Jan 7, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Peavy
Seems this has legs again. Reading between the line you gotta think Hendry will go hard after him. The other names mentioned…….Looper, Redding, etc. make no sense at all. They will probably get more than one year deals at money similar to JM’s money so why would Jim Hendry consider them? He already had those guys in Marquis and only had to pay him for one more year. Personally……..I’d rather see Brian Roberts here but I’ll be ecstatic if the Peavy deal gets done which now looks likely! The Cubs have alot of dead weight now that may be usable for another team. Pie is out of options with no room for him here……..we don’t need Ronny Cedeno (trade him before everyone realizes he sucks!)..and a crowded bullpen.
Pettite?? Nahhhhhh……………….how bout a run at Ben Sheets if Peavy doesn’t work out. Couldn’t he be had on a one or two year deal?
by plenz on Jan 7, 2009 11:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Agree with your assessment, however
Sheets? IMO, the only way the Cubs can risk Sheets is if they move Harden. I don’t see being able to take the risk on two big game starting pitchers with health risks. Agreed on Pettite as he just turned down the Yankee offer of $10M, so that doesn’t make much sense.
by N Oakley on Jan 7, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
is Sheets a risk
on a 1 year deal? Maybe that would be enticing to him to get a shot at trying to show he can pitch through a season without too much trouble and then go get huge money in 2010
by plenz on Jan 7, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sheets
on a 1 year deal would be a great idea but I still think somebody gives him decent $ before this offseason is over
by SignedSealed&Delivered on Jan 7, 2009 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a financial risk, but
I don’t want to see Hendry count on Harden and Sheets. I see it as too much Wood/Prior.
by N Oakley on Jan 7, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but then
it was Wood/Prior and then Glendon Rusch
Now we have Lilly, Dempster, Marshall or Gaudin as capable/good guys to pitch if they get hurt
by SignedSealed&Delivered on Jan 7, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It was Rusch ...
Maddux and Z, plus Marshall and Hill (though the later two were really only in ’06).
Point is, we had comparable depth back then, too, and it didn’t go so well.
by elgato on Jan 7, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A Trade Is Next...
… because after Bradley signs, we are at 40 on our 40-man roster. Hendry wouldn’t want to start DFA’ing guys if he can swing a deal.
Guys to deal are: Pie, Cedeno, Hill, possibly Wuertz. All these guys are either our a job or out of options (or both). We know the Pads want a CF, a SS and lots of arms. We fit that bill, along with the prospects we picked up in the DeRo deal, as well as the clogged ’pen.
Get ’er done, Jimbo!
My 2008 Christmas wish list includes this jersey. In Hendry We Trust!
by initram on Jan 7, 2009 11:51 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Hart also on the 40?
He could be bait as well.
by N Oakley on Jan 7, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this is convincing
Though I don’t think Hill has much value anymore. Still, we have too many players and not enough spots. Hendry will make SOME sort of deal(s), to shed Pie, Cedeno, Wuertz or someone else in the pen.
by elgato on Jan 7, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hill is done
Somebody will take him as a cheap reclamation project when the Cubs DFA him.
by dr stabbingworth on Jan 7, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What's disappointing is ...
I bet if the Cubs had included Hill in an offer to the Orioles LAST WINTER, Roberts would have been a Cub for a year.
by elgato on Jan 7, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 7, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
haha, cant get enough of that
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jan 7, 2009 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TWSS
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling we are going to move...
Vizcaino, Pie, and Cedeno before the season starts.
by jbertram on Jan 7, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
Cubs have want sd needs, and recent moves like signing gaithright and miles and dealing dero for pitching indicates they’re making another run at Peavy.
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!
by CubFaninCA on Jan 7, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wouldn't that be interesting
if they got gaithright just to flip him.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 7, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, the deals indicate that...
… they wanted to free up money to pay Bradley.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jan 7, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Al
will stop by to say this is NOT happening in 5, 4, 3, 2….
by SignedSealed&Delivered on Jan 7, 2009 11:54 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Either way I would feel
much better about this coming season with either Peavy or Brian Roberts on our roster. I don’t think Hendry can really think Aaron Miles is our answer at 2nd base.
by Blaze22 on Jan 7, 2009 11:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well, Aaron Miles isn't the whole answer at second base...
…he’s half of it. The other half is named Mike Fontenot.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 7, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We could just simplify things...
…and refer to the Cubs’ starting 2B as “Mikron Milenot”. It would save the effort of having to remember whether Miles or Fontenot is playing on any given day.
"I see great things in baseball. It's our game - the American game." - Walt Whitman
by hip2bsquare on Jan 7, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
all you have to do is see how tall they are to tell them apart.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 7, 2009 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder whether Miles will ride on Big Z's back.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 7, 2009 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Belief in Fontenot
This might be a sign to Mike that his time is now.
by Cub In NC on Jan 7, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't expect Roberts
before the season starts. Too many 2nd base options on hand already.
Peavy, that I could see. Roberts, I think, could be revisited midseason, but personally, I think Roberts gets moved before the season starts.
by toonsterwu on Jan 7, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A Roberts deal makes sense
if Fontenot goes to the Orioles as part of the deal — and I could see that happening. Then, Roberts starts at second, Miles is the super-sub and Theriot starts at short.
by elgato on Jan 7, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Some of the 2B options are likely to be traded if the Cubs make a big move.
I think, e.g. that the Padres might take both Cedeno and Fontenot.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Jan 7, 2009 12:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
They already have a better defensive SS that can’t hit, and I’d be surprised if they wanted to see LBR in their lineup fly out to right field in PETCO 3 times a game.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Greene was traded
Their depth chart shows Luis Gonzalez as their lone SS option. They might believe in his upside.
by dr stabbingworth on Jan 7, 2009 1:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They've also got Edgar Gonzalez at 2B.
That’s a middle infield that’s crying out for Cub middle IF excess.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Jan 7, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LHers aren't as phased by the Petco park effect.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Jan 7, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The ones that are under 5' tall are.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they moved the walls in for 2009
IIRC
by dr stabbingworth on Jan 7, 2009 4:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm in SD...
and I haven’t heard about them moving the fences. Which means very little, because I don’t pay much attention to the Padres.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2009 5:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Better yet
Who do you think Vizcainno (spelling) will end up with? One really can’t believe he will be a lock in the pen at the start of the season.
by Cub In NC on Jan 7, 2009 12:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Who's Jake Peavy?
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Jan 7, 2009 12:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Your mom's new boyfriend
Watch your mouth of he won’t take you out for ice cream.
by dr stabbingworth on Jan 7, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I would think
Hendry has another deal up his sleave and I truly believe it will be a multi player deal. Cubs have some parts to get rid of, now does that bring Peavy or Roberts who knows. But I would have to imagine that Henry would love to have one of them,
I would go after Roberts but dealing with the Orioles is borderline impossible. Roberts at the top of the Cubs lineup would be impressive.
I just can’t see the Cubs going into camp with the roster the way it is. Something will shake out.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Jan 7, 2009 1:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
clue is his statement after the DeRosa trade
My thought is that he is looking for a better starter than Marquis and a better (incremental) price this year.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Jan 7, 2009 1:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why not Garland?
Is he still in line for a job?
by Cub In NC on Jan 7, 2009 1:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Once again, Cub in NC's comment does not appear to actually be rec'd.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 7, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There's a flaw in the system!
"Who's Bob Brenly? The guy that used to be the manager for Arizona?" ~ Alfonso Guilleard Soriano
by JohnM on Jan 7, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
EPic Rec'd FAIL!
I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on Jan 7, 2009 4:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
All your rec's are belong to us.
You have no chance to reply make your post.
Bleed Cubbie Blue: Like Drāno for your internet tubes.
by znohitter on Jan 7, 2009 9:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
REPLY FOR GREAT JUSTICE!
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 8, 2009 9:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
YOU DIN'T REPLAY!!!1!!
RIP Ron Asheton (1948-2009)
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 8, 2009 9:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
REPLAY CAT
God of awl teh kittehs; brother of ceeling cat. Also God of the BCB Dictionary and discrete observer of your personal posting habits.
I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on Jan 9, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also.......
I’d give up two of those arms that we got from The Tribe to NY for Swisher faster than a dollar bill coming out of a pocket at a strip joint….
by Cub In NC on Jan 7, 2009 1:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Don't think the Yankees would do that
They want to move someone, but unlike the White Sox when they dealt Swisher, they have no need to. Swisher has no issues with Joe Girardi, whereas it was clear that the White Sox were simply dumping Swisher. Short of it is, the Yankees can make a good deal on Swisher if they want … but I think they would prefer to keep him so that in 2010 they aren’t searching for a brand new OF. With several teams looking for OF’s, the Yankees should be able to move one of their guys before spring (probably Nady).
Beyond that, while I would’ve been fine with Swisher a week or so ago, I don’t see where he fits into our picture right now, now that Bradley is signed.
by toonsterwu on Jan 7, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
add in that
the Yankees have a lot of raw pitching, and they have more than enough Stevens level pen arms.
by toonsterwu on Jan 7, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I keep mine in a money clip.
The ladies like the bling.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 7, 2009 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
silver-painted plastic
and cubic zirconium is not “bling”.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 7, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe those items constitute "bling"
when used at a gentlemen’s establishment.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Jan 7, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it's so dark in there...
…the strippers can’t tell the difference. Just as long as I keep the George Washingtons comin’…
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 7, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
dimes?
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 7, 2009 3:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
GW is on the quarter
so those could be slid on stage, I suppose…
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Jan 7, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I spin them on the stage like this...
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 7, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That will get you some serious attention
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Jan 7, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
isn't he the one
with the funny hair?
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 7, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
George Washington?
I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on Jan 7, 2009 4:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My sources...
according to my sources…(which are better than the sources that Hendry has) the Cubs will only make a push for Peavey if he becomes available again…and only if the Cubs could trade another player to be named…and if the source that I have is getting the correct information from his source, and his source is correct, then my source (who has no relation to the aforementioned other source’s source, then I believe my source’s source is right. Of course all this is speculation. See, my source was at the winter meetings doing laundry when his source was at the winter meetings getting a drink from the Bar, and that other source overheard an unnamed source talk about this deal that would send Peavey to the Cubs within the day or two…however all those sources were dead wrong. So, as you can see, take your sources source with a grain of salt….
by Glen Bishop on Jan 7, 2009 2:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why are people always talking about their sores?
by Flatley on Jan 7, 2009 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh oh...something tells me a really nasty SWL pic is on the way...
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 7, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's the problem with America today...
everything is being “outsourced.”
However stupid it made me look, I sent a letter to Hendry last week about the topic. Let’s see what happens.
by Cub In NC on Jan 7, 2009 3:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Jake Peavy won't be traded
But so long as there are middling sportswriters desperate for column material there shall continue to be Jake Peavy trade rumors.
by BLou on Jan 7, 2009 3:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Notice how they're trying to resurrect talks on Roberts?
by Flatley on Jan 7, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sam Zell needs the cash
I can see him walking through the Trib offices every day screaming at the sportswriters and telling the news reporters to focus on puppy and kitty stories.
by dr stabbingworth on Jan 7, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lets be realistic on what Hendry can do right now...
All i can see Hendry doing is trading off Pie,Cedeno and either Wuertz/Vizcaino . I’m not sure about those prospects from the Dero deal, but I hope the cubs dont trade them off for some crappy number 5 SP or some backup 1B, lol.
I can maybe see the cubs acquiring some number 3-4 SP (with a relatively fair salary). That would make sense considering its better if Marshall serves as a spot starter/LRP (i.e. Harden’s injury problems). I dont think Guzman can serve as a LRP because of his injury problems and Gaudin is still a question mark.
As for Roberts, McFail has been known to be a GM who ALWAYS tries to rip off the other team. Although Roberts is playing into the final yr of his contract, dont expect McFail to demand anything less than what he demanded last yr.
by Geo4MVP on Jan 7, 2009 5:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Brian Roberts won't be traded either
Orioles would have to sell too low on Brian Roberts. Plus Peter Angelos loves the guy second best next to fellow Greek countryman Nick Markakis. Roberts isn’t going anywhere.
by BLou on Jan 7, 2009 7:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Fontenot
is much better than Brian Roberts anyways.
by KButler on Jan 8, 2009 12:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm....
Can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic, but really? I like LBR and all, but better than the Dread Pirate?
by N Oakley on Jan 8, 2009 8:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha
Yea, I was just kidding, thought it might spark someone to freak out. I do love little mikey though. (still can’t help but think of that game against cincy 2 years ago when he hit the ball to the wall and couldnt get it over with two outs in the ninth, haha)
by KButler on Jan 8, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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