In Defense of Bradley
Milton Bradley is a good pick up for the Cubs, because he's a damn good ball player with great plate discipline, but more importanly, he's got the attitude that a team of loveable losers needs in order to grind it out in the playoffs.
With the exception of Carlos Zambrano and Lou Pinella, there is no one on the current Cubs' team that I would take to a street fight. There's no Randy Johnsons, or Kevin Youkilis's or Manny Ramirez's on this team. There's no meanness. Aramis - nice guy; Soriano - such a nice guy; Soto - what a sweet guy; Theriot - what an angel. Fukudome - won't rock the boat. D. Lee......you get the idea. Who on the current Cubs roster comes to the plate with that Manny-esque attitude? Noone. Who instills fear in the oppostion? No one. I'm tired of having all these nice, good-guys. Even our poster boys for the franchise fall into this category....Sandberg, Williams, Banks, Santo--what a bunch of nice guys.
Milton Bradley has a fighting spirit, and that is more than I can say about the Cubs team as a whole and their past playoff performances. When you get to the playoffs, its about who wants it more, who is going to scap it out to win, and who has the psychological advantage to pummel the opposition one at bat at a time. When Bradley comes to the plate, he brings a certain toughness and meanness that is missing in this team, and he backs it up with a good stick. If some of this attitude can rub off on some of the other players maybe we'll actually put up a fight next season in the playoffs, and get mad. We need to get mad.
Make no mistake. The signing is a risk. It's a risk because he's injury prone, and the idea of him going on the DL in April scares the hell out of me. But, based on all accounts from former teammates, Milton Bradley is no Terrell Owens. He's a great team mate, and an old school ball player who happens to care and fight with a spirit that I haven't seen from the Cubs in my lifetime. Who doesn't want that?! That's exactly what this team needs !! In old, WWF parlance, we need more Junkyard Dog, and less Leaping Lenny Poppa. Or, in NBA terms, less pretty-boy LA Laker and more bad-boy Detroit Piston.
Let's not forget - these are "The Cubs"....the loveable, huggable, cuddley baby bears. IF we're going to overcome 100 years of losing and 100 years of being labeled wimps (which is certainly the long-established perception around the league), then we need to get some attitude and some fight. Milton Bradley brings that to this team, and as someone who wants to see the Cubs get mad, and fight and win, I like it.
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I'm warming up to Bradley...
He might light a fire under our team and give us that edge we need for the playoffs, or he might just piss everyone off and get injured. Time will tell…
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jan 7, 2009 12:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm happy we got Bradley
I have always liked him. If he stays healthy he will be a huge fan favorite.
by Blaze22 on Jan 7, 2009 12:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't take DHL with me to a streetfight...
he’d most likely get hurt and miss significant playing time.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2009 12:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Getting hurt...
As in hurting himself before the fight starts.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jan 7, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I really do love that name.
DHL.
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Jan 7, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Enlighten me
I don’t get it
"There are no curses here...Games are won and lost on the baseball field" - Lou Piniella
by El Borto on Jan 7, 2009 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley was mostly a DH last year...his injuries have limited his speed and quickness.
He’s been to the DL more times than Ward has cut in line at the post game buffet.
DH + DL = DHL
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For a guy whos name is "Milton Bradley"...
…thats an awful nickname
For your information, the Supreme Court has roundly rejected prior restraint.
by Less is Walrond on Jan 7, 2009 5:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I take credit for that one
so heap the blame on me if you dont like it
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jan 7, 2009 6:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I like it. +5 BCB points.
Bleed Cubbie Blue: Like Drāno for your internet tubes.
by znohitter on Jan 7, 2009 9:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not too catchy
because you have to explain it every time and its pretty negative…. even Gameboard (Al’s) is sort of Blah.
I think since there are like a million Milton Bradley games out there, one of them should match up pretty well- or better yet a rotation of nicknames depending on his mood:
Ants in the Pants
Axis and Allies
Barrel of Monkeys
Twister!
Password
Jenga (I would love to yell this one at games)
Scotland Yard
Taboo
The Game of Life (or the Game for short)
Connect Four (Grand Slam or HR?)
Yahtzee (another one thats fun to yell)
Ready! Set! Spaghetti! (never played it but what a great name)
Battleship
Sorry (E9)
Mouse Trap
what do you guys think?
Cubs Karma: Don't take anything for granted.....
by Andre Fonseca on Jan 9, 2009 4:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure we should use any of those as nicknames...
…but it would fun to yell out “Yahtzee!” when he homers (or drives in a run or what have you) or, alternately, moan “You sunk my battleship!” when he strikes out (or bobbles a ball in right field, etc.).
If I had to pick one, though, I’d go with The Game. I actually don’t mind Gameboard, but The Game is kinda badass. Isn’t there a rapper by that name?
RIP Ron Asheton (1948-2009)
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 9, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
in a real
defense of Bradley
He was the best OF out there and we got him.
Nothing else needs to be said.
by SignedSealed&Delivered on Jan 7, 2009 12:04 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
This was the case with Soriano...
Now there are those that want him gone.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jan 7, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not exactly...
he was the best “power hitter” available, not the best “outfielder”.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Best hitter who happens to stand in LF most of the game....
But who else was available besides Soriano? People were pissed when we missed out on Beltran and Furcal, so Hendry had to get Sori.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jan 7, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Re- Those who want Soriano gone
I never said Cubs fans were smart.
by SignedSealed&Delivered on Jan 7, 2009 12:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I spec
your rec is no longer on dec
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 7, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The only grinding Bradley will do
is on our nerves in June and July. Bad attitude and a frail body, I am not impressed.
Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana
by copes006 on Jan 7, 2009 12:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
only time will tell -
frail body? yes – and I stated that as a risk. a big one. however, i don’t think he has a bad attitude so much as a fighting spirit, and as someone who has watched a bunch of nice guy/pretty boys represent this club and do nothing, i want a fighter – we need some fight, b/c we looked like a bunch of school children in the last two playoffs, and i’ll tell you one thing, neither the d-backs, nor the dodgers were scared of us.
Turn up the Fontenot and Johnson please.
by southerncubbie on Jan 7, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well
impressing the average Cub fan shouldnt be a criteria for Hendry to act
Just sign good baseball players and let the fans pick their own favorites
by SignedSealed&Delivered on Jan 7, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Zambrano...
This street fight conversation reminds me of the D-Lee / Chris Young fight from 2 years ago. I was at this game, and the coolest thing was that Zambrano could be seen emerging from the duggout, taking off his belt, ready to thrown down. It takes a certain type of crazy to do something like that, and I wouldn’t put that past Bradley as well.
by steinmer on Jan 7, 2009 12:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Actually, he was putting his belt ON.
The story I heard was that Big Z was in the locker room changing shirts and someone yelled that there was a fight on the field. So Carlos ran right out and the rest is history.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 7, 2009 12:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
awww....
come on let’s not ruin the mystique with facts and what not…..lol
the idea that z was taking his belt off to whip someone’s ass is much better.
Turn up the Fontenot and Johnson please.
by southerncubbie on Jan 7, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's been a while...
So I can’t remember the details, but i’ll always think of Z as crazy enough to take his belt off for a fight.
by steinmer on Jan 7, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, he would be. I have no doubt.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 7, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is why I LOVE Z and put up with his tantrums
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jan 7, 2009 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of that fight... The instigators???
Peavy and Soriano. SOriano for walking 3/4 of the way to first base the day before.. (It was a shot) and then Peavy saying if he were on the mound he would have drilled his ass. .. Interesting.
"I played with one of the best pitchers in history, Greg Maddux," Zambrano said"
by fischisgod on Jan 8, 2009 8:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed --
i loved z taking off his belt and getting MAD – that’s what we need. some fight and some craziness. if bradley were a bad teammate (ala jeff kent or manny), then I would second guess the signing, but the fact that he has been consistently liked by teammates means this could be exactly the addition to the clubhouse cocktail that we need.
note: no offense to d. lees street-fighting cred, but anybody would have gone after chris young after that pitch.
Turn up the Fontenot and Johnson please.
by southerncubbie on Jan 7, 2009 12:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
And then...
Yes, anyone could have gone after Young after that pitch, AND THEN scurried behind their manager who was “holding him back”
by steinmer on Jan 7, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is like the way Obama is getting treated
Bradley hasn’t even tossed the ball around in Arizona yet, and he needs defense?
also… we’ve gone to the post season three times in five years, and twice in the past two. I agree that it sucks to lose in the post season, but 97 in the win column belies the “lovable losers” caption.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 7, 2009 12:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
cubs fans
always have been quick to judge – no doubt. they’ve got their minds made up about players before they even suit up – the fans’ inability to give players the benefit-of-the-doubt hasn’t helped their chances at success.
yes, we’ve had a good run here in five years in the Regular Season. but even if we put up 120 in the win column it doesn’t get the 500 lb. gorilla off our backs. let’s win a playoff series, and then i’ll concede to your point.
Turn up the Fontenot and Johnson please.
by southerncubbie on Jan 7, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree...
The gorilla has got to be heavier than 500lbs by now. : )
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jan 7, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we won
a playoff series in 2003.
Don’t get me wrong, I hate losing in the postseason too.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 7, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you read this article before writing this
If not, might want to call your mom and see if you have a twin you don’t know about. If you did, well…no comment
"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb
by TheRiot Police on Jan 7, 2009 12:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Can you imagine finding out that Rick Morrissey is your twin?
>>> SHIVERS <<<
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 7, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i had not
but, as someone who normally detests what rick morrissey thinks, let’s just say i’m shocked that I find myself agreeing with him :-).
Turn up the Fontenot and Johnson please.
by southerncubbie on Jan 7, 2009 12:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Count me..
glad we got Bradley too…if only because it means NO ADAM DUNN!!
The journey is the reward!
by wicubfan on Jan 7, 2009 12:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i think it's.....
Adam Dumb
and, yes, i’m so glad we don’t have him. would be a great DH.
Turn up the Fontenot and Johnson please.
by southerncubbie on Jan 7, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is a good signing...
It provides a lefty bat, (act. SH), with power & discipline, it adds versatility to the OF, and to the bench at the same time. The Cubs have the parts in the OF, can mix and match off the bench, and in combination the IF with Miles being a switch hitter. I like the makeup of this outfield now, and just want to know who will be playing the D. Ward role this upcoming season. I hope Hendry gets us someone besides Hoffpauir.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jan 7, 2009 12:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
A dissenting opinion...
I agree that Bradley is a good but risky signing.
However, I disagree that you need “tough guys” to be able to win. A .320 hitter is a .320 hitter, whether he’s nice or “scary”. This isn’t football or basketball, where there’s a lot of contact made between players.
I will agree that a tough guy pitcher may make a difference, though, since he’s the one throwing at you…
by jdb-44 on Jan 7, 2009 12:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed...
But if your team has obviously crumbled and choked under pressure the last two years, would you agree bringing in a tougher guy would hopefully change the dynamics of the clubhouse a little bit?
I agree that talent is talent, but we’ve had enough talent to win these last two years; the mental toughness or attitude of this team has to have something to do with getting swept twice.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jan 7, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
psychology matters
and so too does toughness, when your reputation is as being a bunch of nice guys who lose all the time. in every at bat the psychological battle matters, especially when you get to the playoffs.
my argument is that bradley’s got that “thing” that cubs’ players do not, which is strength and a fighting spirit – you don’t lead the league in obp without having mental toughness, no matter how “crazy” people label you.
toughness matters just as much in baseball as it does in football, it just manifests itself in different ways. further, if you don’t have toughness (on top of the talent, good stats, etc…) then you’re not going to win a world series……especially when you’re team mascot is “the cubs” and you’re the laughing stock of major league baseball, and all sports…..
Turn up the Fontenot and Johnson please.
by southerncubbie on Jan 7, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jan 7, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe
+ 1 fits here
by SignedSealed&Delivered on Jan 7, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but how do you measure "toughness"?
Who lead the NL last year in “toughness”? In what “ways” does it “manifest itself”?
Just curious.
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 7, 2009 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In this instance...
I suppose it’s apparent in the overreacting fits of rage displayed by the player in question.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Where does MB stand among the all time leaders in "toughness"?
Below Ty Cobb but above Pete Rose? If someone could direct me to the top 10 career leaders in “toughness” on mlb.com, I would be forever grateful.
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 7, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
is there a zone rating
for that?
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 7, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Guess we'll have to ask a sybermathmawhatchacallit....
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 7, 2009 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
clearly you are a sabremetrician
based on your sarcasm here, which means that you will not value anything that cannot be statistically defined.
while i believe in stats, i also believe in the abstractions of player value — i cannot measure his toughness exactly, except to say that there are clearly guys who are tougher and fiestier than others – and the cubs need that kind of toughness and fight right now.
Here are your cage matches – you pick the winners and then tell me who’s tougher – or, rather, who are you taking to a street fight?
Alex Rodriguez V Manny Ramirez
Dusty Baker V Lou Pinella
Carlos Zambrano V Barry Zito
Kevin Youkilis V Kahlil Green
Kosuke Fukudome V Milton Bradley
Albert Pujols V Derek Lee
Turn up the Fontenot and Johnson please.
by southerncubbie on Jan 7, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If that were true
…and certain “tough” players made the players around them better, and played better in pressure situations… wouldn’t that effect be measurable?
by Wreckard on Jan 7, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
look.....
no need to get all digressive here – the fact of the matter is that if you want to measure everything in baseball and disregard anything that can’t have a metric assigned to it, be my guest — i happen to believe that there are other abstractions that are valuable – not everything can be scientifically measured in sports, and just because you can’t look it up doesn’t mean that it’s irrelevant.
i.e.
the bad-boys detroit pistons teams of the 80’s were the toughest team in basketball. can it be measured? no. but did it matter as adding some sort of value and intimidation factor to their presence as a team? yes.
Turn up the Fontenot and Johnson please.
by southerncubbie on Jan 7, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
the bad-boys detroit pistons teams of the 80’s....led by...

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
That’s the wrong Rodman.
The Rodman couldn’t lead a draq queen out of the bunny ranch
by MrShowtime on Jan 7, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
look!
he’s breathing fire!
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 7, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Spot on
That’s what I was trying to say. I hope those analytical types can understand it even if they can’t see it on the field.
Great Post Southercubbie
by MrShowtime on Jan 7, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
...but they were the most talented team as well....
…and had the deepest bench and played as a cohesive team. . They didn’t win purely on their “toughness”.
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 7, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes -
but i argue that they wouldn’t have won if they didn’t have that toughness and intimidation factor.
Turn up the Fontenot and Johnson please.
by southerncubbie on Jan 7, 2009 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But they lost....
….to the Celtics…then won 2 championships…then lost to the Bulls with that same “toughness”. No?
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 7, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
???
How many championships do you want?
Winning back to back championships in any sport is a tough task. Shit, we haven’t even won 1 championship in what, 100+ years?
by MrShowtime on Jan 7, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lemme go check....yep...100 years.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if the Pistons had that toughness so needed to win...
… championships, they should have won 4 in a row. No?
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 7, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who told you
That toughness exclusively wins championships? Not myself nor southercub.
So either your being very judgemental or flat out ignorant.
by MrShowtime on Jan 7, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No need to be a dick, bro.
The Pistons had talent and “toughness”, I’m just wondering why that wasn’t enough for them to win 4 in a row.
Because you can’t really measure it in terms of how it affects a team one way or another, perhaps?
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 7, 2009 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we're talking about a game
where being a millimeter off in where you hit the ball with your bat is the difference between a double-play and a hit that drives in three runs.
There are so many variables in what can change, there’s no good way to say THIS is why a team wins. It’s a combination of factors that are both under and not under a team’s control…
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 7, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Four Words
Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan. Thats why.
by TheHawk5 on Jan 8, 2009 7:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Um, okay.
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 8, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry for the confusion.....
I know I didn’t say that was the reason they lost. Just because your tough doesn’t mean your going to win. I hope that’s not what your inferring from these posts.
It’s a combination of many things that makes a team a winner. Just like the Yankee teams and Tigers team of last year that were loaded with high priced talent but couldn’t win the WS.
by MrShowtime on Jan 7, 2009 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes -
exactly……
and why can’t a-rod put it together in the playoffs?
(btw…why does everyone have to oversimplify everything?!!)
Turn up the Fontenot and Johnson please.
by southerncubbie on Jan 7, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's pointless because it's inarguable
It’s like the “grittiness” thing – it’s something you assign to people after the fact, based on nebulous criteria.
I’m sure some teams are tougher than others. Does it help them win? There are countless teams out there who were “tough” who’ve one. There were countless more (aren’t the ‘93 Phillies the prototypical “tough” team?) who didn’t.
Saying toughness helps is an argument that can’t be supported or refuted in any way.
by Wreckard on Jan 7, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 7, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
162 games
played not on paper with stats, but on a field, with a ball, gloves and bats.
Remember when Nomar came off the long stint on the DL a few years ago? The demeaner of the entire team changed. The “swagger” came back. They knew they could win any game now. Sadly, it was just too late by then.
One player can make a HUGE difference with attitude and talent. That player can elevate the performance of players around him. If you think statistics win baseball games, you are actually missing something. While statistics are a measurement of what HAS happened, they are not a measurement of what WILL happen. They can suggest a probability, I will agree, but Yogi was right.
It ain’t over ‘til it’s over. That fact is not quantifiable, but it sure has a huge place in MLB lore, as well as MLB history. Certain players “jack” their teammates to better performance. I think that this is likely part of what Bradley will be making the big bucks for.
I wish him well. :)
"I lof to hit de home ron!"
by Tekboy on Jan 7, 2009 2:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
AMEN
baseball, and all sports for that matter, are about so much more than statistics.
attitude matters – i.e. why does alex rodriguez put up such huge numbers in the regular season and then falter so much in the playoffs????
because he’s a wuss and can’t back up the stats when it matters most…..just like soriano fwiw. when the pressure is on and it really matters and you’re facing the best pitchers in the game he can’t do it.
because he’s a wuss.
Turn up the Fontenot and Johnson please.
by southerncubbie on Jan 7, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh come on....
Their have been plenty of “tough” players that haven’t come through in the post season. Talk about "oversimplifying!
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 7, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he was just giving you an example
by MrShowtime on Jan 7, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
just tell me why
alex rodriguez can’t put it together in the playoffs?
Turn up the Fontenot and Johnson please.
by southerncubbie on Jan 7, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have certainly no idea...
…but I would hinder a guess that it has nothing to do with him being a “wuss”——however you want to define THAT one!
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 7, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
im just saying...
….he can’t perform when the pressure is at its highest which is a sign of mental weakness….
wuss = joking
mentally not as tough as a Pujols per se = truth.
Turn up the Fontenot and Johnson please.
by southerncubbie on Jan 7, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not true
c’mon a career .279/.373/.483 post-season is not a guy who cannot get it together in the playoffs. In ’05 and ’06, YES, he had 2 brutal 4 and 5 game stretches consisting of 15 and 14 at bats. However, in ’00 and ’04 he put up a 1.021 and 1.014 OPS in more than twice those at bats.
I like where you are going with this, but the A-Rod thing doesn’t prove your point.
by socalbob on Jan 9, 2009 5:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course lots of things go into a good performance
Conditioning, toughness, athleticism, diet, attitude, happy homelife, well-functioning sports equipment, childhood training, medical staff…
All of these things contribute to on field performance. Statistics don’t measure any of these things.
That’s because statistics don’t measure the causes of good on field performance, only the performance itself.
Those factors that contributed to the performance are irrelevant, from the outside in, since most of them are unquantifiable, or unknowable.
by Wreckard on Jan 7, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's such a lazy thing to say
“Statistics don’t play the games, players do!”
Well yeah.. and once the players are done playing the game, the statistics are there to measure what happened.
by Wreckard on Jan 7, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NEVER
underestimate a Samurai.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 7, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's like Scrappiness...
You can’t measure it, you just know it’s there.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jan 7, 2009 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so Milton Bradley
is .94 Roses? Or 2.54 Rich Hills…
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 7, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
or 8.35 Ceasar Iztuiz's
"There are no curses here...Games are won and lost on the baseball field" - Lou Piniella
by El Borto on Jan 7, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
.83
Thurmon Munsons.
The next question is, how does toughness convert to scrappiness? Perhaps 1.0 Roses is 1.35 Ecksteins. Which means Ryan Theriot is what, about .85 Gameboards?
Next up: Toughness home/away splits…
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 7, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL....
I want to see MB’s splits of toughness as a DH vs. RF, because that could really factor into his success/failure this year.
Plus, Texas’ ballclub has always been a notoriously easier “toughness” park than Wrigley.
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 7, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Texas teams aren't as tough
see: Houston Vs. Cubs in Milwaukee.
That whole team didn’t even add up to 1.0 Ted Lillys combined.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 7, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's not tough or scrappy.
Just grabby.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 7, 2009 2:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"If you don't have toughness, then you're not going to win a world series"....
Seriously?
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 7, 2009 1:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not saying I agree with the statement
But what was the last “soft” team to win the World Series?
by MrShowtime on Jan 7, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Cardinals?
But then again, I have no idea how you measure whether a team is “soft” or “tough”?
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 7, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pujols and Eckstein
Define toughness to me.
Turn up the Fontenot and Johnson please.
by southerncubbie on Jan 7, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And Zambrano and Lilly define toughness for me.
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 7, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly -
it can’t be measured, but you know —
Turn up the Fontenot and Johnson please.
by southerncubbie on Jan 7, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good
So you do see it. Thanks, I thought we were typing and getting no where.
The problem is, you need 1-2 everyday players as pitchers are only in every 5th game.
Also, our Bulldog Lilly didn’t even get a chance to throw 1 pitch in October.
by MrShowtime on Jan 7, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, so let me get this straight....
1. You can’t win a WS without “toughness”.
2. That toughness really can’t be measured.
3. You can only really call a team “tough” after the fact.
4. Toughness in a team is only measured by everyday players, not pitchers.
5. Alex Rodriquez has never produced in the playoffs because he “isn’t tough”.
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 7, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
6. ...
7. PROFIT
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 7, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll address 5
Yes, Alex Rodriguez can’t perform in the playoffs because he lets the pressure get to him, and he doesn’t have the mental makeup to deal with the pressure.
Why else would he consistently under-perform in the playoffs? Just because?
Why has he spent inordinate amounts of cash on top-of-the-line shrinks to deal with this problem?
Turn up the Fontenot and Johnson please.
by southerncubbie on Jan 7, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1000
difference between being tough and being a psycho.
Tough= mental fortitude to remain confident and patient in times of trouble…see Pujols, Maddux, Lincoln
Psyco= mental weakness that undermines normal ability in times of trouble…see Bradley, J. Daly, cartman
You don’t need to win a street fight, you need to win a baseball game.
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 7, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Never thought...
I’d see Cartman and Abe Lincoln in the same comparative post.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Jan 7, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
soft like
the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man? Or soft like that special blanket grandma knit for you when you were five?
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 7, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cards?
Albert Pujols is not soft. That guy plays with fire and passion.
Chris Carpenter was like the buldog that playoff run.
Adam Wainwright looked like mix between Joba/Papelbon closing games.
They weren’t the “toughest” but certainly weren’t soft
by MrShowtime on Jan 7, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay....
…..so how do you measure “fire”, “passion”, “bulldogness”, and “Jobaness”?
You could make a case for ANY team with criteria like that….even the Cubs.
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 7, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
I don’t think its a measurable stat. It’s like the “it” factor, some have it, some don’t.
It’s something you see with your eyes, but can’t explain with a pen.
Maybe some of us are watching the same games, but seeing completely different things…….
by MrShowtime on Jan 7, 2009 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Like Paris Hilton?
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 7, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, and Kim Kardashian!
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 7, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't remember if Scott Rolen
was on that team, but that guy is fiery!
Jason Isringhouse although hurt was a definate competitor s the clubhouse.
Also, I recall Tony Larussa going out and trying to take the games, instead of waiting for the games to come to him like Lou. One thing about Larussa, he manages every game like it’s his last and doesn’t care whose ego or feelings he hurts. I am not saying I agree with his methods, but hard to argue his success.
by MrShowtime on Jan 7, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So your argument...
is basically: if players do well, they are tough. If they do not, they are weak.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Jan 7, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, to be honest, no one on the '08 Phillies...
…strike me as particularly “tough.”
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 7, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
make that "strikes"
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 7, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Yea, Jimmy Rollins didn’t call out the Met’s before the 07’ season. He also didn’t back it up with a MVP award.
Before the 08 season, he told all the media that the Phillies were still the best team in the East even though the Mets got Johan Santana. He just backed that up with a 2nd division title and helped his team win the World Series.
Also, I know he doesn’t play everyday but every hitter in the MLB was at least slightly intimidated going up against Brad Lidge in the 9th in a save situation. He only was perfect for the whole season and playoffs.
by MrShowtime on Jan 7, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dempster...
also came out and said we were going to win the World Series.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Jan 7, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So trash talking = tough?
And was Lidge intimidating because he was “tough” or because he was “successful”?
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 7, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not trash
If you believe it, your get your team to believe it, and you lead by example.
Confidence is not trash
by MrShowtime on Jan 7, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rubbing off on each other
Maybe Bradley will bring some fire and urgency to the Cubs, and I don’t think that is a bad thing.
But maybe some of the good parts of Cub culture will influence Bradley.
It seems like many on the Cubs players have taken diet and conditioning very seriously over the last two years with great success. Geo dropped some wieght and that had to help him break out of AAA and make the leap to the majors as ROY no less. Dempster had a grueling offseason regimen to prepare for the starter role, and it led him to his finest season.
Perhaps Bradley, a year removed from his blown ACL, will take up some of this conditioning a suprise up with a healthy season and 550+ AB.
Yes, I am an optimist
"There are no curses here...Games are won and lost on the baseball field" - Lou Piniella
by El Borto on Jan 7, 2009 12:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
-273 BCB points for the title of your comment.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2009 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey It could have been...
The Cubs and Bradley rub each other off….
"There are no curses here...Games are won and lost on the baseball field" - Lou Piniella
by El Borto on Jan 7, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're gonna be really disappointed with
273 BCB points less. What are you going to buy in the BCB Store now?!
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Jan 7, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
Bradley will bring a lot of baggage to the Cubs, which will be detrimental to the team.
In fact, he is bringing a list of baggage to the team.
Yes, I am a realist
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 7, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
let's wait and see
what actually HAPPENS. THAT is being a realist.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 7, 2009 2:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd.
Seriously, I rec’d it.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 7, 2009 3:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I spec your rec
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 7, 2009 3:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Get your rec spec dreck in check.
Bleed Cubbie Blue: Like Drāno for your internet tubes.
by znohitter on Jan 7, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what the heck?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2009 11:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this is dreck
in the mail, there’s no check!
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 8, 2009 9:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Somebody call Bill Veeck.
Bleed Cubbie Blue: Like Drāno for your internet tubes.
by znohitter on Jan 8, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Am I the only person that remembers Lilly punching his manager?
by cwyers on Jan 7, 2009 1:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ted Lilly doesn't throw punches, he just makes managers bleed....
After the game, Lilly said to reporters, “There were no punches thrown, so I don’t think John had a bloody nose. I don’t know how that would have happened.”
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 7, 2009 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he can kill you
with his brain.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 7, 2009 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure Ted held off having Gibbons head explode....
….by giving him a little “bloody nose” warning.
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 7, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mind Bullets!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that's telekinesis, Kyle...
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 7, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
His eyes are like daggers.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 7, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For a guy with a flower for a name, and an unassuming look
He sure is a badass
"There are no curses here...Games are won and lost on the baseball field" - Lou Piniella
by El Borto on Jan 7, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Remember...the Lilly is a FUNERAL FLOWER!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Teddy Roosevelt Lilly
Is the guy I want on my side in a fight. So meek looking but do not cross him as Molina learned the hard way.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jan 7, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Explain to me why we need a "street fighter".
Are you saying that a fistfight would have won a postseason game?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jan 7, 2009 1:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we should have
Ted Lilly drive slowly by the visiting players parking lot in a caddy… watching… idle idle idle…
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 7, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Only if they went after Ramirez's and Martin's knees....
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 7, 2009 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And remember, you've got to keep your head on a swivel during a street fight...
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 7, 2009 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I tell you what...
if a man is willing to kill a guy with a trident, then he can play on my team any day.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Jan 7, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That should be Gameboards FIRST question to answer at the press conference.
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 7, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I love that scene.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 7, 2009 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Aren't you the original advocate of a Dr Phil approach to lineup building?
He’s obviously saying it’ll improve our locker-room psychology, that adding a spirited player with some fight in him might prevent the team from just lying down and dying again like they did against the Dodgers.
Not saying I agree with the approach, I’m just surprised you don’t see where he’s coming from.
by Wreckard on Jan 7, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Street Fighter...

Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jan 7, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ready...fight!
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 7, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2009 5:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2009 5:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, god...
That’s too damn funny. And don’t forget the inevitable tie-in with Mortal Kombat:
B A R A C K A O B A M A W I N S …
by jdb-44 on Jan 8, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no that would be ridiculous
and is an oversimplification of my argument.
some folks think bradley is a hot-head (bob brenly will fall into that category for sure). others, like myself, think he has an incredible passion for the game — certainly that is what his team mates who have liked him so much feel. similarly, some folks think that pinella is a hot-head. others think he has a passion for the game, and they liked the fighting spirit that he brought to the cubs, replacing the mellow-mooded baker.
what i am saying is that the cubs have a perceived weakness as lovable losers and that because of this perception, and the fact that they tend to have a team that is comprised primarily of “nice-guys” that support this perception, the cubs don’t bring a whole lot of intimidation to the playoffs. this perception matters, whether it is true or not.
a fist fight is not going to win a post-season game, but having someone in the clubhouse who is fired up and gets other players fired up and someone who clearly has a passion for the game is a good thing. especially if that person can perform. we will see if bradley can perform, because that is the ultimate value he can bring as a high obp sh bat.
Turn up the Fontenot and Johnson please.
by southerncubbie on Jan 7, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Toughness is his ultimate value?
I’d rank that WAY down the list. You know, behind such trivial things as SLG and OPS and all that nonsense.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Jan 7, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
jesus -
i am not saying that is his ultimate value – but his “attitude” does happen to be the flashpoint that everyone gathers around —
toughness doesn’t matter without great stats and play on the field.
however, great stats and play on the field don’t matter, when it matters most (i.e. in the playoffs) without toughness…..ala Alex Rodriguez.
Turn up the Fontenot and Johnson please.
by southerncubbie on Jan 7, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To quote...
“toughness…that is the ultimate value he can bring.”
“great stats and play on the field don’t matter”
Playoffs are an incredibly small sample size to condemn a player. Is Pujols tough because he performs in the playoffs? No. He is a good player. Good players do better. It’s science.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Jan 7, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ummmm.......
you must be reading someone else’s posts -
“we will see if bradley can perform, because that is the ultimate value he can bring as a high obp sh bat.”
his performance as a high obp sh bat is his ultimate value.
try reading before you cherry pick quotes out-of-context .
Turn up the Fontenot and Johnson please.
by southerncubbie on Jan 7, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Touche.
I’m used to reading paragraphs with punctuation and grammar; my bad. I did take that out of context, my apologies.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Jan 7, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
excuse me -
for misinterpreting your reponse here, but are you saying that i have bad punctuation and grammar? even if i make the occasional mistake, this is a blog and with the exception of capitalization, i think that my punctuation and grammar are just fine.
Turn up the Fontenot and Johnson please.
by southerncubbie on Jan 7, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not trying to police...
I’m just saying i misinterpreted your post.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Jan 7, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
my fault -
i must have misinterpreted your statement as sarcasm:
“I’m used to reading paragraphs with punctuation and grammar; my bad”
no ill will :-)
Turn up the Fontenot and Johnson please.
by southerncubbie on Jan 7, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
secondly,
yes, Pujols does do well in the playoffs because he is tough, because he doesn’t let the pressure get to him.
conversely, this is why alex rodriguez doesn’t do well in the playoffs, because he can’t stand the pressure.
i am of the school of thought that playoffs are everything, especially if you’re a cubs fan and you want to win the big one.
Turn up the Fontenot and Johnson please.
by southerncubbie on Jan 7, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seems a myth to me, in this case.
Albert Pujols has nearly identical stats in the playoffs as he does in the regular season (actually slightly lower). My conclusion would be that he does well in the playoffs because he is a great player.
While playoff stats are an incredibly small sample size to judge A-Rod, I can give you that he is a sissy.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Jan 7, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
my point is
that the best players perform when the pressure is on, and that does take a certain mental strength to not let the pressure get to you —
this is why pujols is far better than rodriguez in my opinion. alex rodriguez is a great player, but who can’t put it together in the playoffs b/c he is weak when it matters most.
that said, we both agree that players who do well in the playoffs do well because they are great players.
Turn up the Fontenot and Johnson please.
by southerncubbie on Jan 7, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it would have thrown the Dodgers out of their rhythm.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 7, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If thats how it works
Get Farnsworth back here now.
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Jan 7, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but farns
wasn’t a good pitcher -
bradley led the league in obp last year — that matters.
Turn up the Fontenot and Johnson please.
by southerncubbie on Jan 7, 2009 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh i know
Bradley hasn’t even been a notable fistfight that I know of. There is a lot of myth and assumption about him that just isnt true.
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Jan 7, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly -
so he throws some balls on the field.
he gets in a fight with jeff kent (who hasn’t gotten into a fight with jeff kent?)
he goes after an ump who taunts him (and the ump is suspended).
i have nothing wrong with any of this…..
Turn up the Fontenot and Johnson please.
by southerncubbie on Jan 7, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
im with you
He could be Jeff Kent, he could be Barry Bonds, he could be Manny Ramierez and quit playing, he could be sammy sosa, he could be plexico burress, he could be pacman jones, he could be tank johnson, he could be roger clemens, he could be josh hamilton.
All worse people than Milton.
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Jan 7, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
DHL
Hasn’t had enough healthy time to actually be as bad as any of those other players.
Kent, Bonds, Manny all played, contributed and were detriments to their teams. They’re also not playing for the former teams that they performed for but were clubhouse cancers. Hmmm, do we know someone just aquired by the Cubs that has a similar track record.
Hamilton is not a bad guy, he was a screw up but he’s clean and a good kid now.
Pacman did wonders for the cowboys, same with Tank. And Plaxico is really helping out the Giants right now (SARCASM).
These guys are bad risks that ended up all being a waste of salary, distraction to the chemistry of the team, couldn’t produce for an entire season bc of either injury or discipline, and were detrimental to the overall success of their team.
If you want to put them in Bradley’s company, then you should have some low expectations for what MB will do this year
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 7, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm saying Bradley is a better human being than all those people
Nothing to do with his on field play.
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Jan 7, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In each of the last 2 years....
….the Cubs have needed Lou Piniella to call them out, very publicly, for their lackadaisical play and mental weakness. And they’ve responded, both times.
I don’t think that a fistfight makes a team play better. It might make the guys like each other more, or to sharpen their focus, which I guess could have some ancillary effect in the short term, but it doesn’t cause a team to play winning baseball in and of itself.
But adding a “driven” player who will not tolerate “taking plays/games off” often does. Take Kevin Garnett with the Celtics. He is loved by his teammates, even though he pushes them very hard. I don’t know if Milton Bradley is that guy, but I know that the Cubs were very much in need of such a player during long stretches of 2007-2008.
MLBMilestone.com - following the numbers to Cooperstown
by D98 on Jan 8, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You all realize that even if Bradley doesn't get hurt...
he’ll serve some type of suspension during the season right?
Because the first Cub/Cardinal series of the year LaRussa is going to pull something special just for him.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2009 2:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
so what?
if he effects the overall chemistry of this new team in a positive way and that overall chemistry helps the team win a championship, who cares?!? i sure as hell don’t. i just want to win.
Turn up the Fontenot and Johnson please.
by southerncubbie on Jan 7, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think its worth Bradley sitting about a week if he fights the entire Cardinal team
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Jan 7, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and hurts himself and is out for the year or a significant amount of time?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ted Lilly will heal him
That or he will have a drink for Geovany Soto’s cup, I hear that also has magical healing powers.
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Jan 7, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
don't forget
the team golden thong.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 7, 2009 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe the golden thong returned back to Oakland for a second stint with the A's
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Jan 7, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes, it is on its way back West
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Jan 7, 2009 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he got to take it with him?
I’d think Steinbrenner would have wanted it back.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 7, 2009 3:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's scheduled for a Yankeeography
next Tuesday at 7:30 p.m.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Jan 7, 2009 7:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought
it was to be buried under the new Fenway.
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on Jan 8, 2009 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We only need him for the playoffs, remember?
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 7, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this is the bigger issue -
his injury potential is huge and this is what makes the move risky in my opinion -
Turn up the Fontenot and Johnson please.
by southerncubbie on Jan 7, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Injury
Why did he blow his knee out?
Because he went nuts and the injury was a byproduct of his idiocy.
That is the risk, his mental weakness.
Which also apparently is what makes him so “tough”
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 7, 2009 2:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you can't -
lead the league in obp and be mentally weak. sorry, you just can’t — not against the best pitchers in the world. if you are mentally weak, mlb pitching will chew you up and spit you out.
corey patterson = mentally weak.
Turn up the Fontenot and Johnson please.
by southerncubbie on Jan 7, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1000
You can’t lead the league in anything positive if your mentally weak, let alone OBP
by MrShowtime on Jan 7, 2009 3:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And here...
you have just contradicted your argument.
A-Rod has been a league leader MANY times in MANY categories.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Jan 7, 2009 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
crickets....
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 7, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I never said anything about Arod
IMO, he’s a great player, jus not clutch
by MrShowtime on Jan 7, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so
clutch =/= tough?
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 7, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The only reason people think A-Rod is mentally weak is becasue idiot yankee fans dont know what they have
A-Rod is the best player in baseball
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Jan 7, 2009 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
then,
why can’t he put it together in the playoffs?
why does he suck so bad when it counts most?
Turn up the Fontenot and Johnson please.
by southerncubbie on Jan 7, 2009 3:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is from Wikipedia and isn't 100% up to date but still
Much of the criticism regarding Rodriguez is focused upon his alleged inability to produce hits in clutch situations.3334 However, during the 2003-05 regular seasons, Rodriguez posted a .371 batting average with the bases loaded and maintained an on base percentage of .422. In 2006, his numbers improved to .474 and .500 respectively. In 2007, through July 14 he hit .444 and .455, respectively. Additionally, Rodriguez’s other batting lines during this period included a .432 average with a runner on third (.333 in 2006), .381 with a runner in scoring position (.302 in 2006), and .392 with a runner in scoring position and 2 outs (.313 in 2006; .333 in 2007 through July 14th).35
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Jan 7, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Zambrano
With the exception of Carlos Zambrano and Lou Pinella, there is no one on the current Cubs’ team that I would take to a street fight.
Tough guy in the playoffs: 1-3, 4.34, 1.48 whip
Tough and clutch
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 7, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
With the exception of Carlos Zambrano and Lou Pinella, there is no one on the current Cubs’ team that I would take to a street fight.
Not so clutch on my text box
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 7, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I feel like Z should be given a bit of a break on his 2003 stats
He was a pretty young pitcher at the time, and the teams fourth starter.
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Jan 7, 2009 3:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Understandable
I might normally agree, but then everyone else can be forgiven their earlier career struggles, rehab time from injury, or other issues.
See Bradley, Milton
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 7, 2009 3:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well yeah, but using those numbers to show that Z can't be a playoff ace isn't fair
Most of those starts are from when he wasn’t asked to do that. Not saying thats what you were doing, just more of a general opinion about his specific situation.
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Jan 7, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Define "suck so bad"....
.279 7 HR 17 RBI’s in 39 playoff games….isn’t exactly horrible.
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 7, 2009 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for saving me the time of having to post those numbers as well
Its not A-Rods fault the Yankees have pitched like crap recently.
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Jan 7, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we can add this to our community projections.
Milton Bradley begins serving his first 10-day suspension on:
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 7, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley has been suspended 9 total games his entire career from what I have seen
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Jan 7, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You mean like Lou getting tossed from a game?
I seem to remember that working and being considered a good thing
Reed Ballgame - best CF in the MLB
by californiachicagoan on Jan 7, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think many of have something special we'd like LaRussa
to pull for us.
"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like to him."
Solomon
by cubfever7 on Jan 9, 2009 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if he rips one of the RF scoreboard
in STL like he did with the Dodgers, then we can all smile at LaRussa for pissing him off.
by socalbob on Jan 9, 2009 5:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can Kimbo Slice...
be our PH/backup 1B?
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Jan 7, 2009 2:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Kimbo Slice
Lost to a pink panther who kisses men on myspace.
Sorry, we don’t want him in our clubhouse.
by MrShowtime on Jan 7, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Randy Couture it is.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Jan 7, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We've got 160+ posts on crap
this is hysterical…this is a blog on Cubs Baseball and you idiots are talking about bringing Bradley and the other cubs to a street fight…like Al said…I don’t think this would have helped the Cubs win the world series. What a waste of a post.
by Glen Bishop on Jan 7, 2009 3:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Meh, I've seen worse.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 7, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Somebody needs to show him the technical balk post
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Jan 7, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Western pornographies was quite the digression.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Jan 7, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, Dad.
We should be putting our collective Cubs’ heads to better use, like solving the crisis in the Middle East, or inventing a low-calorie, waist-shrinking beer.
Wait, maybe we should be doing that…
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Jan 7, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry Glen Bishop -
for wasting your valuable post space, dude. next time i’ll check with you first, ok?
fwiw…..apparently there are a lot of other folks who don’t share your view.
Turn up the Fontenot and Johnson please.
by southerncubbie on Jan 7, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
southerncubbie
Where’s DHL when you need him?
We could use some swagger to this blog to defend ourselves from Mr. Bishop’s attacks
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 7, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
southerncubbie
attaboy!
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 7, 2009 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Idiots? Seriously?
Welcome to the Cub community, Mr Bishop. You should introduce yourself to BluMike.
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 7, 2009 3:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ive been against this from the beginning, but I gotta say..
Getting that third year unguaranteed was brilliant-or at least based on playing time the previous two years.
That being said, I dont think we’ll see the 08 Bradley in any of these three years.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jan 7, 2009 3:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
but at least we'll be tougher as a team.
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 7, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
which may or may not
be clutch.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 7, 2009 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But is it scrappy?
Reed Ballgame - best CF in the MLB
by californiachicagoan on Jan 7, 2009 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you can't be tough and scrappy at the same time...
….unless you have confidence in your ability to talk trash, which may or may not mean you’re mentally weak, which will kill your OBP and affect your wussiness in the playoffs.
Got it?
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 7, 2009 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can you give me
Day/Night splits on your tough zone (TUZ), your Scrappy zone (EcksteinZ) and Trash-Talking Quotient (TTQ)?
Wussiness is measured in Joe Slobotnks, right?
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 7, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's the old method.
Wussiness is now measured in Berks per Bolt, or BPB, which measures how many leaps toward the dugout one can make during the span of one lightning bolt.
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on Jan 7, 2009 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Lance Berkman led the Majors in BPB last year...
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 7, 2009 5:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and therefore, Wussiness.
ARod’s got nothing on him.
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 7, 2009 5:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hahahahahahahahahahhahahahahhaaha!
that’s excellent. We need to remember that…
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 8, 2009 9:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be too much to hope for
The 08 Bradley would be worth $25 million a year, and we are only paying $10.
Reed Ballgame - best CF in the MLB
by californiachicagoan on Jan 7, 2009 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's actually Leapin' Lanny Poffo
Brother to the Macho Man Randy Savage
cough
Yeah, so, uh, I don’t really agree with any of this “needing a fighter” stuff.
by Craig in South Bend on Jan 7, 2009 4:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
How about they just quit sucking ass
during the playoffs?
There were lots of Cubbie players ready to rumble after the Bartman game. Where did that get the team?
Getting swept by the Dodgers had a lot less to do with perceived toughness than it did with Demp walking 7 in game one and 4 errors in game 2.
by ScottT on Jan 7, 2009 4:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wait a minute...that showed some toughness...
we beat ourselves!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2009 5:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Too much pressure on themselives. I think we need a better coaching group to get them past this hump.
*See too much pressure

"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on Jan 7, 2009 6:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's like
too-tight stitching on a baseball.
There’s just some things you can’t unsee.
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on Jan 8, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well said
I have mentioned this in the past, that there is nobody on this team who is a vocal leader. Nobody who I would want in the foxhole. Sadly, this kind of player seems to be rarer and rarer. I think back to Kirk Gibson and the amazing affect he had upon the 1988 Dodgers. He didn’t take any BS and brought a toughness to the team.
I think Dawson had the same affect on the Cubs, although it took a couple of years for it to make any difference.
The problem is that I don’t think that Milton Bradley is that guy. He will be different, which is OK. I just hope he is not divisive.
In the middle of a good time, Truth gave me her icy kiss. Look around, you must be joking. All that way, all that way for this? -Oysterband
by Ross on Jan 7, 2009 5:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
One final thought on the original FanPost...
I would NOT want Manny with me in a street fight.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Jan 8, 2009 3:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he only beats up road managers.
RIP Ron Asheton (1948-2009)
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 8, 2009 4:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There are a lot of people that are going to have to eat crow on this one
when Bradley is killing the ball healthy and content… I am looking forward. So many people were excited for Dome when he had proven nothing. THis guy just lead the AL in OPS and people are down on this. Good grief
"I played with one of the best pitchers in history, Greg Maddux," Zambrano said"
by fischisgod on Jan 8, 2009 8:11 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Amen, brother -
Aaaaaamen.
Turn up the Fontenot and Johnson please.
by southerncubbie on Jan 8, 2009 11:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
From your keyboard to the mountaintop.
RIP Ron Asheton (1948-2009)
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 9, 2009 10:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kyle Farnsworth
he showed some awesomeness when he beat the daylights out of paul wilson. the link to the video is below. Theres also a link ferom that page to where he beat someone else up but i couldnt get that video to work.
http://www.wrigleyville23.com/2007/04/get-your-farnsworth-video-here.html
"This ball's got a chaaaaaance.....(YES!!! YESSS!!!!).....GONE!!! CUBS WIN, CUBS WIN!"
by FutureGroundscrewMember on Jan 9, 2009 11:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
LOL - oh, I love that clip.
And Steve Stone remains the ONLY person I’ve ever heard use the verb “racky-tacked.”
RIP Ron Asheton (1948-2009)
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 9, 2009 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley has talent/skills and the type of talent/skills that the Cubs need. I agree with you 100%
on that…but I disagree with respect to the inability to control his temper and the “loveable losers” trait that is assigned to the Cubs. I won’t go in to into detail but just use Bradley’s anger issues with the padres as about as direct of evidence as I can find that his bad behavior cost his team dearly when he was no longer available. It shouldn’t have to come to people discussing the pros and cons of issuing tazers to the coaching staff to prevent your own players from harming others during a game. Bradley has shown that he is unprofessional in his response to adverse circumstances. All of us Cubs fans should hope that we se less of that unprofessional approach/response not more.
Most of us remember the “loveable losers” B.S. excuse passed along by Dusty and his unprofessional clubhouse in 2004. “Don’t blame us for our bad decisions and costly actions—the Cubs need to overcome loveable losers” Instead all we got was an unfocused group of bad losers who were detestable from this fan’s perspective.
Bradley is a Cub and I hope he never charges another player or umpire and controls himself, stays healthy and has a great season.
by DudeVf11 on Jan 10, 2009 8:14 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
That last sentence sums it all up.
If he does that, we’ll all be very happy and I’ll be happy to say I was wrong about him.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jan 10, 2009 10:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No Defense Here
I have to disagree. You will get no defense from me. How you give a guy away like Mark DeRosa to sign the likes of Milton Bradley makes no sense. Bradley cannot stay healthy and is a subpar outfielder, that is when he plays it; 20 total games last year with three errors in those 20. Now you want him to play right field in Wrigley; maybe one of the toughest outfields to play. Bradley did put up good offensive numbers last year; the best of his career, but they still were not better than DeRosa. He is a career 280 hitter with over 600 K’s in 800 games. …Just not worth what we lost.
Telling it how it is
by Telling it how it is on Jan 11, 2009 7:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He's not a subpar outfielder.
He’s actually commonly regarded as an average to above-average outfielder, when healthy. He didn’t play much outfield last season because he was still recovering from knee surgery. Plus, errors aren’t a good way to judge a defender – especially when you’ve already established that you’re using a small sample to base that judgement on.
Last, if you’re going to use career batting average to compare the two (which really isn’t a good idea, but anyway), you should probably note that Mark DeRosa is .279 career hitter (in 2,650 ABs) vs. Bradley’s .280 career BA (in 2,867 ABs). Now a better idea would be to look at OPS+, and there you’ll find DeRo with a 97 career OPS+ and Bradley with a 118 career OPS+.
Don’t get me wrong – I have a ton of respect for DeRo and will miss him greatly. But Bradley is younger and capable of putting up much better offensive numbers.
RIP Ron Asheton (1948-2009)
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 12, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He is 3 years younger and MIGHT put up better numbers if he is healty. He will play one position maybe two at the most. DERO could play 5. Is a subpar fielder and will show in wrigely. Will end up looking like Soriono.
Telling it how it is
by Telling it how it is on Jan 12, 2009 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wrong
he is not a subpar fielder.
Why “MIGHT” he put up better numbers? He did and will. DeRo’s career year was still meek compared to Bradley’s.
Versatility is not something this trade and eventual signing was made for. It’s to have a potent bat in the lineup during the playoffs. Versatility means squat in a short series. DeRo will be missed over the entire 162 games, but without him the Cubs still win 90+ and go to the post-season. Miles, RJ, and Fuku are in place to move like DeRo did. The Cubs sold “high” on DeRo.
by socalbob on Jan 12, 2009 4:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Now that’s what I call telling it like it is.
RIP Ron Asheton (1948-2009)
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 12, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
HE DID ?
I am not sure if we consider stats to be the same thing. But let me give you Derosa’s over the last two years with the Cubs 07 149 games 10 HR’s 72 RBI’s 64 runs and a .293 avg.And 08 149 games 21 HR’s 87 RBI’s 103 runs(lead the team) and a .285 avg.Now Milton Bradley 07 61 games 13 HR’s 37 RBI’s 37 runs with a .306 avg.And 08 best year of his carrer 126 games 22 HR’s 77 RBI’s 78 runs and a .321 avg.So yes his avg is a little better. But i guess when you play 120 less games it might be.And as for Versatility only Miles fits in the same with Dero playing a few outfiled spots like Fuku and Reed dont really count the same..I hope they do when 90 + and get to the playoffs lets just hope we have a defensive sub in the late innings for Bradley that is if he is healthy.
Telling it how it is
by Telling it how it is on Jan 19, 2009 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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