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Trading Fukudome

In all of the offseason discussions, I'm surprised that there's been no talk of trading Fukudome.

On the one hand, it's easy to argue that he's got no value -- he had a horrible second half+, hasn't ever really proven himself in the MLB, is owed a fairly decent amount of money.

On the other hand, his value may never be higher -- he's still got "upside," can be a real fan draw (especially on the west coast), has a "sellable" small ball game of defense/speed/slap hitting that plays well in pitchers parks like Petco/ATT and (especially if the cubs pony up some cash) can be viewed as a pretty low risk/high reward option for team bereft of talent like Giants, Mariners, etc.

If Marquis can get traded, or years ago Hundley can be traded, there's no reason to view that Fukodome can't. 

So if it's possible, why not?

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You've answered your own question

within your post. He doesn’t have any trade value right now. Marquis, for all of the crap that was spewed about him here — had value. He gives plenty of innings. He’s never hurt.

The Cubs wouldn’t get anything for ’Dome. And, right now — I doubt if anybody would want him.

Right now, Fukudome is not worth anything close to what he signed for. However, I believe that first season was more ‘educational’ for him than anything else. I really think he turns himself around — but he’s got to stop those daily press briefing for the Japanese media. He’s got to just be another ‘guy’ and forget everything else.

I think an undue anount of pressure — self-imposed — was there to perform. Once he got into a bad situation, there was no one to turn to for guidance, and the situation worsened.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jan 7, 2009 11:06 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dave van Dyck

said the Cubs got multiple inquiries on Dome earlier in the year. I couldn’t find the original link, just the citation at MLBTR. I thought I also read something similar from John Perotto at BP.com.

I think you’re right that because of his contract, the Cubs wouldn’t get anything back. The may even have to package another player with Dome to make the other team take enough money to make this worth doing.

I also am optimistic that Dome will turn it around.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Jan 8, 2009 7:07 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree.

I think that Fukudome turns it around this year. You point of the first year being “educational” is spot on IMHO. I think that this year he will be more comfortable making any changes that he needs to take in his approach to the game and turns himself around. I don’t know if he’ll ever be worth that large contract, but I think he will end up being more than just a servicable defensive outfielder.

by Tangled Up In Blue on Jan 8, 2009 8:20 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fukudome has a full no-trade clause

so there’s your answer. Besides, it’s too early to give up on him anyway. You wouldn’t get anything now, so it’s best to give him another shot.

by Josh77 on Jan 7, 2009 11:23 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Josh -

Would you rather see the Cubs give 200 regular PAs to Fukudome at the beginning of the season or to Pie?

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Jan 8, 2009 6:58 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At this point

Fukudome. Pie needs a change of scenery.

by Josh77 on Jan 8, 2009 9:20 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Getting 200 consistent PAs at the MLB level

would be a change of scenery.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Jan 8, 2009 11:35 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed...

if by “change of scenery” you mean “chance to play regularly” I agree.

Granted, Pie’s not going to get a chance to play regularly in Chicago, so “chance to play regularly” really does require a change of scenery.

That’s not to say Pie will figure it out at the big league level (though I suspect he will). Just that he won’t do it getting spot appearances as a defensive sub.

by SouthernCub on Jan 8, 2009 11:53 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think Pie could play in Chicago

if Milton Bradley stays healthy and Pie starts strong.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Jan 8, 2009 6:31 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hard to see how right now...

given that we have six OF and we can’t trade Gathright.

by SouthernCub on Jan 9, 2009 9:07 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is all in the context of

trading one or the other of Dome or Pie. Pie has no place to play as long as Dome is still on roster.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Jan 9, 2009 9:20 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow, really hard to see Hendry...

…trading Dome over Pie – or even being able to. Felix’s only hope is that Hendry flips Gathright for some reason. (Maybe some other team really wants him.)

I’d love to see Felix stick around and get some playing time in center either late in games (he’s still likely a better centerfielder than RJ and Dome) or when Bradley is, ahem, resting. Dome could just slide over to right; his natural position.

RIP Ron Asheton (1948-2009)

by dat cubfan daver on Jan 9, 2009 9:46 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The difference for a buying team in trading for Pie or Dome is money v. players

Let’s say you’re the Braves and have extra money and no desire to trade good prospects – well, then you might take a run at Dome, knowing you won’t have to give up anything you’ll miss in trade. You just have to pay him the money. Plus, maybe getting Dome encourages Kawakami to choose you.

Pie will at least cost in players (assuming Hendry doesn’t just give him away to appease Lou). So there are teams who might prefer Dome.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Jan 9, 2009 9:51 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hm, well, that's an interesting scenario.

It would be a pretty shocking development. And, of course, Dome would have to consent to such a deal, no?

RIP Ron Asheton (1948-2009)

by dat cubfan daver on Jan 9, 2009 10:01 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think Fukudome will be harder to trade in any scenario...

I don’t think Pie has so much value that it would offset the $36 million still owed to Fukudome. Only a team with plenty of cash would be able to afford Fukudome, and none of those teams seem to be in a position to take a gamble on him. Pie, on the other hand, is low-cost financially and will only cost prospects in return. He’s a much easier gamble to take on.

In your hypothetical of Fukudome being traded, obviously Pie would have a role. He’d be competing with Gathright to be the LH portion of the Johnson platoon in CF. And I’d say Pie would win that battle if it occurred.

That said, I’d bet heavily that it will be Pie traded and not Fukudome.

by SouthernCub on Jan 9, 2009 10:09 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If Boston hadn't picked up Baldelli

I thought they were a decent option.

And if KC hadn’t picked up Crisp…

Not sure who’s left in concrete terms; I was talking more generally.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Jan 9, 2009 11:02 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think Boston was really an option...

They have Ellsbury, Drew, and Bay. I think they got Baldelli as a cheap platoon mate for Drew. Fukudome doesn’t fit their needs.

by SouthernCub on Jan 9, 2009 12:53 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wont happen for a couple reasons...

1.) Fukudome has little value to other teams given his current salary. Why trade for Fukudome when you can get Burrell or maybe even Dunn for less?
2.) As mentioned above, he has a no-trade clause (i think).
3.) He can actually hit for a little pop. I realize he didnt hit a ton of bombs (or much of anything in the 2nd half) but he’s still capable of a big dinger, something that Pie, Johnson and Gathright arent. You’ve got to keep Fukudome to keep a little pop coming out of center.
4.) If you trade Fukudome you trade a solid defensive Plan B if Bradley needs a day off.
5.) If we trade Fukudome what would those goofy venders sell outside of Wrigley? You cant tell me you didnt like the headbands…

One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola

by Ryan at Cubshub on Jan 7, 2009 11:28 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I didn't like the headbands

Fontenot (fon-te-no): Cajun for "scrappy"

by zambranofan on Jan 8, 2009 7:35 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I didn't, either.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jan 8, 2009 7:51 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Same here...

I don’t think people realize how offensive some of the Fukudome gear actually is.

by Damen Jackson on Jan 8, 2009 7:56 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hope I never see another headband!

I think Fukudome could turn it around and be closer to the player we hoped, I just don’t know if he will have that opportunity. We know what happens when a player is in Lou’s doghouse, and the Cubs outfield has become very crowded. I guess Fuku’s extended opportunity depends on how healthy Bradley is throughout the year.

I'm finally moving on...

by slocs55 on Jan 8, 2009 8:12 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hope to see the headbands in massive quantities

That means Fukudome is back and capturing our hearts again.

"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."

by flachimesa on Jan 8, 2009 9:45 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hm, that's an interesting point.

I have mixed feelings on the headbands. That is to say, I freakin’ hated them. But if seeing the headbands again means Kosuke turned it around, well, I guess I could live with them.

RIP Ron Asheton (1948-2009)

by dat cubfan daver on Jan 8, 2009 10:59 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That could also mean Milton Bradley is hurt,

and that is why Fukudome has captured our hearts again. But your right, if it means Fuku is playing well, I will live with them, despite hating them.

I'm finally moving on...

by slocs55 on Jan 8, 2009 2:45 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Those headbands are offensive and annoying

Out of sheer respect for Kosuke and the country he comes from I would think no Cub fan on earth would walk into Wrigley wearing one of those. Very bad taste and insulting to an entire culture.

by BLou on Jan 8, 2009 2:52 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol...

and all those guys who wore the chin beard when Clement was here were insulting whom?

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 8, 2009 3:18 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Offensive.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 8, 2009 4:58 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And what's the difference between

the Horry Cow shirts and the “Betty betty good to me” thing?

Genuinely curious what your answer is – not popping off here.

Both to me are equivalent – racial stereotypes whose humor is derived from making fun of the accents of a particular group of foreigners.

by Wreckard on Jan 8, 2009 11:14 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree with you.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jan 9, 2009 4:13 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The manner in which the headbands are worn by drunken Cub fans is offensive

I’m sorry if you can’t understand that. I cringe on behalf of Kosuke and people of Japanese descent when I see Cub fans wearing those. It’s disrespectful to an entire cultural way of thinking.

by BLou on Jan 8, 2009 6:06 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The manner in which the headbands are worn?

In how many different manners can you wear a headband? Is it just the drunk headband wearers you have a problem with?

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 8, 2009 7:02 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

really?

4 months ago: Chinese and Japanese baseball fans show their support for their team in their men’s preliminary round baseball game at the Wukesong Baseball Venue during the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games on August 19, 2008.

Insulting to the Japanese culture, is it?

Now, if the headband says something offensive on it, that’s different. But we’re not talking “horry cow” tshirts here.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Jan 8, 2009 3:27 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah I agree....

I don’t understand how they are offensive. What if I wore a gi to the game? Would that be offensive, too? I think if anything they are kinda stupid.

by NOLACubs on Jan 8, 2009 8:40 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I said I hate them,

for a lot of reasons. Mainly because they look stupid, but if you say it’s offensive I’ll believe you. The closest I have been to Japan is Thailand, so I am not well educated on the Japanese culture.

I’m not big on political correctness, but if it’s offensive I usually avoid.

If you think no Cub fan would wear them because they are offensive, you are crazy.

I'm finally moving on...

by slocs55 on Jan 9, 2009 12:22 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

While I agree that some of that stuff was way over the top...

…the headbands werent anything worse than the advertising campaign that the Cubs used before last season that had the old Japanese rising sun flag in the background of Fukudome…

My love of the headbands comes from the fact that I live 4hrs away in Iowa and there are 2 sushi chefs that wear the headbands everyday at a local sushi restaurant… its pretty cool to see that kind of stuff so far from Chicago.

One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola

by Ryan at Cubshub on Jan 8, 2009 10:53 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not to mention Dome said he didn't mind them

I really don’t like that our society has become so sensitive to things like this. But now we are getting off the topic of Cubs baseball, so n/t.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jan 8, 2009 10:59 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

some of the headbands were ok.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Jan 8, 2009 10:53 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The headbands, in general...

… were fine, though silly.

The “Horry Cow” t-shirts were offensive.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jan 8, 2009 5:17 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed.

RIP Ron Asheton (1948-2009)

by dat cubfan daver on Jan 8, 2009 5:31 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What happened....

To dragonfantastic, anyone know??? I enjoyed his offseason updates last year. And as stated above I to think that Dome will turn it around and have a productive year for us upcoming!!

All things great in 2008!!

by By Santo's Grace on Jan 8, 2009 8:38 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hope he comes back here....

… I always enjoyed his updates and info on Japanese baseball.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jan 8, 2009 5:17 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think he has value...to us

I think he’ll settle in somewhere b/t the lofty expectations of last winter and his performance last year. He can still run the bases well, field well and throw exceptionally well, so if he has to be the #8 hitter and play CF, then so beit. We all saw what he was capable of in the first half, so after a year of experience and acclimation, perhaps he can get back to that.

But I dont know how they would trade him without taking on a lot of his salary

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jan 8, 2009 8:54 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kosuke isn't going anywhere

Given his terrible 2008 performance the second half and the contract he has??? Not going to happen. The Cubs have to be hopeful that somehow Kosuke finds away to adjust his Japanese style of hitting to be able to successfully hit major league pitching. But I have a sinking feeling we have little more than a souped up So Taguchi on our hands for the next three years. That’s not terrible, but it certainly isn’t what Hendry shelled out $48 million on.

by BLou on Jan 8, 2009 9:03 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

won't ever happen

Lou knows the cultural insult that would be to KF to trade him. I think we need to give the guy a chance. He came to a new country without his new born baby and wife ( who has now joined him), no one except a translator could speak his language (except a little from Lou, Soriano, and D.Lee). I think he will be pretty nice for us this year, so nice that I have a feeling Bradley will be platooning with Johnson in center throughout the year.

by Cub In NC on Jan 8, 2009 9:04 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kosuke didn't suffer "'transition" issue, he suffered inability to hit major league pitching !!

I do not buy this repeated garbage that Kosuke struggled because he was assimilating to life in the United States, blah blah blah. Or that his translator sucked.

Kosuke thrived in a Cub uniform for 2 1/2 months and seemed to be happier than a clam playing in the States. The DILEMMA started when major league pitchers identified way to completely neutralize his unique Japanese style of hitting that involves running up in the batter box ala Ichiro. This is the style of hitting that made Kosuke a star in Japan, but a style of hitting that eventually allowed major league pitchers to eat him for lunch.

by BLou on Jan 8, 2009 9:14 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or...

After 2 1/2 months he started to get homesick, miss his family, wear down with all the travel and longer season. I’m not making excuses for him, but let’s see if he can adjust this year.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jan 8, 2009 9:18 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And what really kills me about that...

…is when I read late in the season that, after watching him for a few games last Spring, warning bells went off for Pinella re; Dome’s swing.
I mean, Hendry and his people scouted this guy forever and nobody seemed to notice what Pinella did pretty much right away?
i really hope I’m wrong about this and that he turns it around this year but I’m not optimistic.
But, yes, all of the talk about homesickness and problems with his translator sruck me as a desperate attempt to spin about what looks to be a very bad signing.
Hopefully our radically lowered expectations will benefit him in ‘09. I hope so because it looks like we’ll be stuck with him for a long time.

by bluekoolaide on Jan 8, 2009 9:22 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You hit the nail on the head

It’s got little to do with being homesick or assimiliating to life in the U.S. And EVERYTHING to do with a hitting style that simply may not work in the major leagues. Objectively speaking, the prognosis is not good. I think what we are looking at is a souped up version of So Taguchi, or in other words a guy who is really no more than a 4th or 5th outfielder who gives you good defense.

by BLou on Jan 8, 2009 9:32 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At least two more years, right???

I wasn’t trying to make excuses. I was thinking of what it would have been to be in his shoes. I agree that I feel that pitchers started filling up their books on his style and tendancies. I’m just really hoping he can repeat that first 2 1/2 months for the entire season. Crap, the remaining of his contract.

by Cub In NC on Jan 8, 2009 9:28 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

JUST WONDERING......

Who scouted Dome in his native country …And what were their reports ..I hope he comes around but if not he is a Cub until his contract is done . And you all know LOU’S theory you dont hit you don’t play ( Much )……

by cubs north on Jan 8, 2009 9:31 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would suspect it's harder to scout Japanese hitters...

because Japanese pitchers have a different style and pitch selection than is common in the US. Fukudome’s hitting approach could clearly handle Japanese pitching, which didn’t exploit his weaknesses as a hitter. If you don’t have a large sample of pitchers throwing the type of pitches that give Fukudome trouble, it’s hard to identify that in scouting him.

by SouthernCub on Jan 8, 2009 9:44 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jim Hendry and scout Steve Wilson may have blown it

I would have thought that Hendry would have gotten personally involved in the scouting of Kosuke. But it doesn’t sound like that happened. Which I personally have a problem with. If you’re going to invest $48 million on a Japanese import then you as a former scout had better gain firsthand perspective on Kosuke. I get the sinking feeling that Hendry was a little bit guilty of trying to reach on a Japanese star in hopes of replicating the success that the Mariners (Ichiro), Red Sox (Dice K, relievers), White Sox (Iguchi) and Yankees (Matsui) had.

by BLou on Jan 8, 2009 9:56 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually, I think Hendry was trying to "reach"

because Lou (after trashing JJ and Uncle Cliffy) was demanding a LHB RF and the best FA LHB RF was…

Trot Nixon.

In retrospect, it would have been better to tell Lou to reconcile with JJ for the last year of his contract.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Jan 8, 2009 1:16 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't know that Hendry was trying to reach...

As I do suspect he thought he was getting an Abreu/Drew type. But it WAS in response to Piniella’s desire for a left-handed bat in RF.

by SouthernCub on Jan 8, 2009 1:27 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

World Baseball Classic

I do remember seeing him in the WBC though…he was a beast.

by Cub In NC on Jan 8, 2009 10:04 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He was a beast...

The first two months of the season as well. I believe he will be beastly once again!

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jan 8, 2009 10:08 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Small sample sizes...

when there isn’t a scouting report on your weaknesses, it’s easy to be a beast. That may be why he looked great in the WBC and in the early part of the season. Once pitchers figured out his weaknesses, he struggled.

Hopefully, he can make the adjustments necessary to regain his high OBP and doubles-hitting form.

by SouthernCub on Jan 8, 2009 10:13 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Right

Baseball history is littered with two and three month wonders who, once the book came out on them, were never heard from again.
Fukudome’s early success isn’t so much an indicator of his potentialnas much as it is an indication that he has a big hole in his swing that was relatively easy for pitchers, once they became aware of it, to exploit.
All we can hope for now is that he somehow learns to lay off of the low, outside breaking ball which is, of course, much easier said than done.

by bluekoolaide on Jan 8, 2009 12:57 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am reminded of Kevin Maas, the 1990 Yankees 1st baseman

who hit 10 HR in his first 72 Major League AB, getting to 10 HR quicker than anyone (I think).

Then came the “book” on Maas: he can’t hit a curveball.

Throw him a fastball. Bye-bye. Curveball=nada.

Pitchers were throwing him 75-mph curveballs on favorable hitter’s counts. He looked lost at the plate.

The same holds true for Fukudome. Curveball or slider equals silly swings.

Here’s an interesting chart of Fukudome’s pitch selection when batting

I don’t know if someone “learns” to hit curves or sliders at this level. Hopefully, he’s swing at plenty of those pitches this off-season.

"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."

by flachimesa on Jan 8, 2009 3:17 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jobu

no hit curve ball.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Jan 8, 2009 3:25 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Shane Spencer also started out looking like the second coming of Dimaggio

And let’s not forget our own Rick Wilkins who once was the only catcher to hit 30 hrs and
hit .300. And then the book came out on him the next year and that was it.

by bluekoolaide on Jan 8, 2009 8:00 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I still think

he may have been trying too hard. I DO agree he has a hole in his swing as big as the yankees payroll, but he also have a great deal to prove to his fellow countryman, as well as to the Cubs.
I also know from experience that when you are slumping, you sometimes feel like swigning the bat is a huge chore, especially when trying to work out a bug in your swing.
Having said that, I can only hope that he does work out th eissues and becomes what we had hoped.
RF or CF, he could be great for the Cubs,

by chrisw95 on Jan 8, 2009 10:10 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOUD NOISES!

SO TAGUCHI! AAAAAAH!

Let’s see what Dome does this year, especially in Spring Training and the first few months. I’d be VERY interested to know what his training regimen was over the off-season.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Jan 8, 2009 10:55 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually, there was a fair amount of talk here...

…about trading Kosuke. IIRC, the Royals were proferred as one possible target. As others have driven home, however, the talk was largely theoretical. Dome’s contract makes him next to impossible to move and I guess he does deserve a second shot at putting together a consistently decent-to-good season. My hope is that both he and the Cubs coaching staff learned many lessons last year, and they’ll put those lessons to good use in ’09.

RIP Ron Asheton (1948-2009)

by dat cubfan daver on Jan 8, 2009 11:02 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What lessons???

I’m not sure what Lou Piniella and Gerald Perry were supposed to do to help Kosuke with his hitting. Lets face it, the guy has a very unique batting style. A style that defines him and let to becoming a star in Japan. How is Lou and Perry supposed to work with him on that? Sure, they can counsel him on pitch recognition and learning the tendencies of various pitchers. But its not like they are going to work with him on reinventing his swing when it is that swing that makes him who he is.

Its a helluva situation when you really look at it.

by BLou on Jan 8, 2009 11:55 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess I would answer that by saying...

every player must make adjustments. I don’t think it’s as black and white as saying Kosuke must completely reinvent his swing or be doomed to failure. He has to adjust his approach to find some modicum of consistency against major league pitchers.

Also, my reference to “lessons” wasn’t only in regards to his swing. I’m hoping they also learned lessons about how to improve Kosuke’s endurance (in light of MLB’s longer season and more rigorous travel) and how to deal with the language barrier (i.e., improving communication between player and coaching staff).

RIP Ron Asheton (1948-2009)

by dat cubfan daver on Jan 8, 2009 12:08 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He was the guitarist for The Stooges.

He was found dead on Tuesday.

RIP Ron Asheton (1948-2009)

by dat cubfan daver on Jan 8, 2009 12:19 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Got it

What I would add to your one point is that Lou Piniella should have played Kosuke less. Even assuming Kosuke is able to get his act together I hope Piniella takes the approach of playing no more than 125 games or so. I really like the idea of a true platoon with the underrated Reed Johnson. If Kosuke comes through on his end of the bargain that could turn out to be a helluva productive platoon. Keep in mind that the Jim Edmonds and Johnson platoon quietly chipped in nearly 30 HRs and 100 RBIs in 2008. To go along with quality defensive play.

by BLou on Jan 8, 2009 12:21 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, that sounds good to me.

I don’t see Dome equalling Edmonds’ power, but RJ and Kosuke should be strong defensively and hopefully both will spend a lot of time on the basepaths.

RIP Ron Asheton (1948-2009)

by dat cubfan daver on Jan 8, 2009 12:31 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have NO problem with a Dome/Johnson platoon in center

in fact, I agree completely that they could be a potentially outstanding two headed monster out there.
I just have a problem with paying 48 million dollars for a platoon player but I guess that’s pretty much beside the point right now.

by bluekoolaide on Jan 8, 2009 1:03 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Right - kind of moot...

The Cubs didn’t intend to pay $48 million for a platoon player. They thought they were paying $48 million for a Bobby Abreu/JD Drew type player. Clearly, that’s not the player they were getting, though. Hopefully Fukudome will at least get back to Abreu/Drew-like OBP minus the power. That’s still a pricey acquisition, but at least it isn’t nearly as atrocious as it looked last fall.

by SouthernCub on Jan 8, 2009 1:08 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

right, so:

Dome playing 125 games = good
Bradley playing 125 games = bad.

Got it.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Jan 8, 2009 1:33 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

correction...

Dome playing 125 games = He figured out how to hit ML pitching.
Bradley playing 125 games = 2 seasons.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 8, 2009 1:35 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Call me weird

I may be weird but I feel he’s going to have a good year this year,

Barbara V. October 14, 1941 - December 19, 2008. A great lady who was a friend to all and like a second mom to her children's friends (she was my best friend's mom)

by cubstoseriesby100 on Jan 9, 2009 9:34 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Concerning the Japanese media:

Can the Cubs restrict their access? Tell them Dome needs to focus as it proved too much of a distraction last year. It would take the pressure off him to do good by his country, not just his team, and allow him, as mentioned before, to be one of the guys.

make*art

by neverAcquiesce on Jan 9, 2009 11:22 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anything is possible...

…but how do you trade a guy with this size contract, who fell on his face the last 3 months? Any GM would have to be crazy to take on the money and risk associated with hoping Fukudome can deliver close to what he did in the first 2 months.

Fukudome is more valuable to the Cubs staying put, because you won’t get anything for him and there is a chance he works through his problems and produces at an acceptable level.

For once, Hendry traded a player when they had peak trade value (DeRosa) and I applaud him for being proactive. Trying to trade Fukudome right now, would be futile.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jan 9, 2009 12:42 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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