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Rob Neyer quotes a Detroit-area blogger who proposes such a deal. Bonderman's been pretty bad the last two years, but... maybe. Discuss.

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I'd trade Milton Bradley for three of those new black tacos from TACO BELL.

But seriously, we don’t need a pitcher. According to Fantasy Pitch F/X (the best site for all MLB-things injury-related), Bonderman had shoulder surgery about 17 months ago. He’s about a career average pitcher with two years of better-than-average performance. Then again, FanGraphs tells me his WAR is decent, but his Babip isn’t all that great (.317).

In summary: I don’t really care. Get anything you can.

Dan

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Oct 10, 2009 9:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope saying that this taco looks disgusting

doesn’t bring up charges of racism.

Inspector #23 certifies that the above post is sarcasm free, most certainly not what she said, and chock full of intangibles, although regressing to the intangible mean, as you'd expect.

by DGU on Oct 11, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does anyone understand their new ad campaign?

I don’t get it.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Oct 11, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's hysterical.

I mean, how much can you change Mexican fast food?

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Oct 11, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh don't get me wrong - things can be hilarious and totally unappetizing at the same time.

[This space left open for SWL picture.]

Inspector #23 certifies that the above post is sarcasm free, most certainly not what she said, and chock full of intangibles, although regressing to the intangible mean, as you'd expect.

by DGU on Oct 11, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes please

AL pitchers general do better in the NL, maybe we can swing them picking up the tab for D-train too, I know I ask for too much.

How long till someone posts that this type of trade is racist?

The sun will shine in '69

by gaclaudy on Oct 10, 2009 9:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sure, why not.

I would prefer a bat. It will be an interesting few months. Maybe the Cardinals will now panic and make a hasty trade and want more bats, more lefties. I say Wainwright for Bradley, thats all.

by Grockcubs on Oct 10, 2009 9:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

A move to the NL certainly couldnt hurt

just get rid of this guy and then fire Hendry

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Oct 10, 2009 9:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

hell no. i'd rather get burrell but that might not happen.

Don’t call me when you’re in my town, call me when you’re on my block and i see you next door moving your furniture in

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by lexmarklover on Oct 10, 2009 10:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hell no

We do NOT need another pitcher. I would rather have an overpriced underproducing position player.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Oct 10, 2009 10:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand this perspective.

If we acquired Bonderman and determined that he was likely to be healthy for the better part of 2010, then we would be in a position to trade a pitcher like Randy Wells for a player we do need.

I view trading Bradley like the draft – you take the best player you can get (and in this case for as little cash as possible), then you make it work.

Inspector #23 certifies that the above post is sarcasm free, most certainly not what she said, and chock full of intangibles, although regressing to the intangible mean, as you'd expect.

by DGU on Oct 11, 2009 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or, let Rich Harden go.

I agree with DGU. If the Tigers are willing to take the deal — do it.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Oct 11, 2009 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Unless he pitches out of the pen.

"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver

by wrigleyrocker12 on Oct 11, 2009 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What are you talking about?

I would rather have an overpriced underproducing postion player too, but I would not rather have an overpriced underproducing position player who the team, the manager, the general manager, and the fans all dislike. I would rather see us acquire most anyone than keep Milton. Except maybe Paul Bako. Actually, no. Give us Bako.

by Mulhollandmania on Oct 15, 2009 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A team can never have too much pitching

Get what ever we can for Bradley, I don’t care as long as we don’t take on another albatross contract or have to pay the remainder of Bradley’s contract, just get rid of him.

"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko

by DTJchris on Oct 10, 2009 10:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You have to ask yourself...
“Self? Who would be easier to trade – Bradley or Bonderman?”

 and then act accordingly.

Right now, I’m believing about half (if that much) the smoke I’m seeing about being able to move Bradley so I still think it will be a challenge. Whereas if I were Detroit (or Tampa), I think it’d be relatively easy to trade Bonderman (or Burrell) if I wanted to.

So that tells me if Hendry can swing a deal for either of those two, he should do so with whoever says yes first. Later on in the offseason, or even into spring training, if Bonderman (or Burrell) turns out to be not so good a fit with how the Cubs are shaping up, it ought to be easy enough to move them elsewhere for whatever we might need (or prospects for the future).

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Oct 10, 2009 10:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed!

1st order of business is trading Bradley to whoever says YES and worry about the pieces later…. Getting rid of him without just having to outright release him is a win by itself.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance 1B/Manager 1908 World Champion Chicago Cubs

by imknowdummy on Oct 10, 2009 10:51 PM CDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

This is shortsighted.

If there are multiple teams interested, work them against each other to get the best deal. Milton being on the team up until the day before Spring Training will not hurt the team in any way. Why pass up on getting some value back just because fans hate him?

by madcow256 on Oct 11, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, it would hurt the team to have him in spring training.

It’s pretty clear that most of the Cubs want nothing to do with him any more. Plus, there would be a media circus.

He’s got to be gone by the time of the convention.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Oct 11, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I said the day before Spring Training

I recognize it would be a circus. Hendry should be working to get what he considers the best possible deal, and not just accepting the first bag of balls we’re offered. Bradley may be a nut and a bad fit for this team, but let’s not let that stop some other team for overpaying thinking they can fix him.

by madcow256 on Oct 11, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry...

… I thought you meant DURING spring training. It would still be better if he were gone by convention time — otherwise THAT turns into a circus, too.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Oct 12, 2009 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've never been to a convention

But I imagine that would be interesting, to say the least. It would still probably be fairly raucous if Bradley were traded for someone like Burrell who would seem to have no real place on our roster (assuming no followup move).

Hopefully we can find a way to flip Bradley into a usable part or parts before then.

by madcow256 on Oct 12, 2009 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I heard about this

If this happens, what’s the chance Bondy pitches out of the pen?

"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver

by wrigleyrocker12 on Oct 10, 2009 11:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

any comment about

 the article out of Tampa Bay saying that the Cubs are pushing for a Bradley for Burrell?

by GHCF2314 on Oct 10, 2009 11:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

hrm...

Bonderman and Willis together make about the same amount in 2010 that Bradley will make on the rest of his deal. Trading for the two of them may make more sense from the Tigers’ perspective.

There are lots of options for a Bradley-to-Detroit deal, or a 3-way deal with Bradley going to TB and Burrell going to Detroit. I think the Cubs involve the tigers in their offseason plans at some point this offseason.

by shawndgoldman on Oct 10, 2009 11:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

lets hope

hendry does not spend all winter trying to get rid of this guy. all these teams showing interest are probably expecting the cubs to eat his salary. they know how badly the cubs want to lose this guy.this guy. i think all the teams should smarten up and not sign this guy. a spoiled bitter human being who should be forced to get a real job.

by NOMAR on Oct 11, 2009 6:25 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

There's no way the Tigers take on Bradley (aka: "The Headache") under ANY conditions- even free.

In a nod to the late longtime Freep reporter George Puscas, I’ll even bet a “yard of kielbasa” on it.

Tigers’ GM Dave Dombrowski wouldn’t make such a deal. Tigers’ owner Mike Illich wouldn’t OK such a deal and Tigers’ manager Jim Leyland wouldn’t stand for Bradley’s “aura” in the clubhouse.

Geez, you think Jim smokes a lot of cigarettes now? The guy would be dead of smoke inhalation by the all star break. And the players wouldn’t care for him either.

Gameboard wants less media scrutiny. He won’t get it in Detroit. Believe it or not, the Detroit media market isn’t some backwash of rubes. They would be just as, (hmmm- what’s the word I’m looking for?) VIGILANT as Chicago’s own media with respect to their reporting on Mr. Bradley. Let’s see how far his act gets with Drew Sharp or Mitch Albom.

Bradley’s comment about wanting to only play nine innings so he can get out of the ballpark as fast as possible wouldn’t play any better in Motown, where a lot of folks put in very long days (those who are lucky enough to have jobs). The FANS of the Tigers wouldn’t put up with his “me first” nonsense and would roast him like a Christmas chestnut for an effort like that.

Gameboard would LONG for his “SUNNY” days in Chicago…

Anyone want to take me up on my original bet?

"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)

Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...

by Zeke on Oct 11, 2009 7:08 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I could see that

Right now the only sport team with anything in Detriot is the Tigers. Maybe a better fit for Bradely would be out on the Left coast, say like Seattle. I could see the Mariners take him. It is alot more relax out here, the Seahawks are the big draw, heck I even think the MLS team is a high rank than the Mariners. The media is more laid back, and I would say the amount of race problems are smaller here than other places.

The sun will shine in '69

by gaclaudy on Oct 11, 2009 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Make the Trade!

Okay, I don’t think much of Bonderman, but what the heck can you expect to get for Bradley and that fat contract? Maybe, Bonderman can turn things around in Chicago. I give him about a 25% chance of doing that, if he comes to the Cubs. The main thing is to dump Bradley.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Oct 11, 2009 7:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

As I posted in comments to Rob's story

I’d rather them trade Bradley for Ordonez, but I can’t say the Tigers would be wise to do so. I bet we could get rid of Bradley for Dontrelle Willis though! Full salary swap, no questions asked.

by Bradsbeard on Oct 12, 2009 9:08 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That might not be a bad idea.

Willis is still pretty young. If he can get help for his psychological problems, he could still have a decent career — see what that kind of help did for Zach Greinke.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Oct 12, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gary Matthews Jr

Makes the same amount of dough over the next two years as Milton. He can play centerfield and at least the Cubs can get “SOMETHING” out of $20 million blown on Bradley.

"Cubs will win 79 to 83 games." BLou (7/21/09)

by BLou on Oct 22, 2009 7:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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