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Cardinals Suffer "Premature Elimination"; How bad IS the NLCD?

The St. Louis Cardinals suffered a severe care of performance anxiety and "Premature Elimination" last night as the Los Angeles Dodgers swept the Redbirds out of the NL Playoffs.

This marks the third consecutive year the National League Central Division representative has pulled the old "three and out" trick out of the hat. We all know who the NLCD representative was in 2007 & 2008.

So, since the Cardinals won the World Series in 2006, does the recent three year trend mean the division is really weaker than the others in the National League, or is it just an anomaly? Is it just a case of running into a "hot" team in the playoffs, or is the problem deeper than that?

What does next year's division winner (AKA: The Cubs, silly!) need to do to stop this embarrassing happenstance?

(NOTE: Loss of BCB points for answering "We need to get 'more left-handed'.")

      


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Is the National League Central Division weaker than the other two divisions?
Yep. Playoff facts "iz" facts.
20 votes
Nope. These things run in cycles. Look, the Cards won it all in 2006- and the Cubs did it in 1907 and 1908 (of course, there was no NLCD then, but don’t nitpick).
49 votes
Maybe. I don't like the pressure having to be forced into a "right or wrong" answer. Is there an essay question?
20 votes
What was the poll question again?
18 votes

107 votes | Poll has closed

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Get Lucky in Postseason Play

Have the Cubs get hot at the right time. Don’t make errors in the field, run the bases well, have pitchers with good control, and only swing at quality hitter’s pitches at the plate. Good luck in postseason play with umpires’ calls helps, too.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Oct 11, 2009 10:25 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Red Turds just stank this year and so did everyone else

They managed to leg it out against other teams that also smelled a bit funny, including that National League one in Chicago. All the man perfume you could pour over each steaming pile would and could not eliminate that stench.

There’s no way the 2008 Cubs should EVER have played like they did last October. Not with the stats, the momentum and the sheer swagger they had. But we know the dates of Infamy .. and how they turned out. They stank too.

I think it’s just the way the old ball game goes. This year , the Central’s teams seemed a lot more distracted because it really was, until mid August, anyone’s race .. because everyone played so unevenly. Watching the interdivision games was an exercise in blown chances and flashes of greatness. In the end, it’s just the way the game went.

The greatest teams you can point to are all human and the element of chance always figures in (see Game 2, ALDS New York Versus Minnesota, page 8 for reference). The juggernaut Yankees should have lost Friday night. They didn’t because of a bad call and the lower half of the Twinkies’ order choking. It’s one two three strikes yer out at the old ball game.

Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we will go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..

coda

ELO, 1975

by cubnational on Oct 11, 2009 10:29 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes, the Central Division is weak.

Just take a look at the offensive numbers the Phillies are putting up. 7 of their 8 starters have scored close to 100 runs each! that is an amazing stat! They don’t rely on just one or two big offensive threats to carry them in the playoffs.

That is why they succeed and the Central Division does not.

If you think you've seen it all...just wait!

by CubFanSince1970 on Oct 11, 2009 12:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Although...

Our lineup in 2008 had similar stats and they still choked in the post season…

by hmlee on Oct 11, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For the second year in a row....

the Dodgers just pitched their rear-ends off (as Bob Brenly would put it). If you do that in a short playoff series, you’ll almost always win. It seems like most years, the NL Central has more competitive teams than the other divisions (usually four of the six teams are at least in the race), but usually lacks a dominant team. Oh yeah, no dominant team except for 2008.

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Oct 11, 2009 4:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dodgers

pitching could take them a long way. They deserve credit.

by If we only had Hubbs on Oct 12, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's what some said about the Cardinals

the team with the best 1-2 starting pitching punch in baseball

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Oct 13, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meh, not sure how much can be gleaned...

…from nine games over three years. If anything, this year’s division series (in both leagues) reinforce how much power random chance and heat-of-the-moment mistakes have in a five-game set.

Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.

by dat cubfan daver on Oct 12, 2009 9:38 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep. As evidenced by the other two first round sweeps...

"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)

Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...

by Zeke on Oct 12, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It has been coming down to NL Central vs. NL West

They just don’t match up well in the playoffs lately. The pitching has been better in that division and playoff games come down to pitching. There have also be unfortunate errors in the last consecutive Game 2 contests of the NLDS that sealed the fate of otherwise good starting pitching for the NL Central team. An NL Central team last beat an NL West team in the playoffs in 2006 when the Cards defeated the Padres.

This seems to be something that’s a lot more recent, but the Central teams seem to lack the pitching depth (starting and pen) that the West teams (mostly LA recently) seem to have. Yet no team from the NL West has won the World Series since the Diamondbacks did it in 2001. The Rockies were the last NL West team to go to the World Series, which was inevitable because it was a West vs. West NLCS in 2007. Since 2007, the NL West has had teams represent the division in the NLCS. It’s just the way it’s going.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Oct 12, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Cardinals didn't have enough left handed hitters! (joke) LOL.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Oct 12, 2009 6:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No, I think you're on to something here.

Trade them Milton Bradley and Aaron Miles.

That works, doesn’t it?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Oct 12, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perfect... dial it up Al!

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Oct 12, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey card fans

not so cocky now are you? after having to listen to them since august it was nice to see a quick exit. losing in the playoffs is still better than not being in them. which we found out the last 2 years. someday, someday.

by NOMAR on Oct 17, 2009 7:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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