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Did your family see/hear the Cubs win the World Series?

As we're heading towards the World Series and the 2010 season, we're going to hear the saying that it's been 102 years since the Cubs won the World Series. Yes it gets old and if you're like me and get Extra Innings, you know every time it's not a Cubs broadcast, we'll hear those words.

However, I'm a 4th generation Cubs fan and no one in my family has ever seen the Cubs win the World Series. My family came to American in 1915 and became Cubs fans shortly thereafter (or so the story goes).

So my question to you guys is, do you have family that were Cubs fans in 1908 and have they told you what they remember of the World Series. Did they go to the games or maybe hear it on the radio.

As sad as it seems, we might be getting to the point in the next few years where nobody can recount a story of their grandparents or great grandparents seeing the Cubs win the World Series.

Please share your stories, if you have one.

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Sigh.

No.

My dad, though, has told me that when he was in the Navy during World War II, he remembers listening to the World Series games in 1945 on the ship he was on that was part of the occupation force in Japan.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Oct 14, 2009 8:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Um, no...

Al, on that same 1945 Navy reference..

My dad passed up an opportunity to be a bat boy in the 1945 world series to join the Navy during WWII.

by byrdi68 on Oct 15, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

rec'd

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Oct 14, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No one in my family was in the US in 1908

I know someone who saw Claude Passeau’s one hitter in the 1945 World Series while recovering from wounds that
had him in military hospital in Detroit ( a local businessman bought tickets for a number of wounded vets). That is as close as I get.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Oct 14, 2009 10:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No

My Dad grew up in NY city in the 50s. (born 1948) in his youth he thought the World Series was a competition between the best NY teams. (from 1949-1958 six WS were between NY teams and only 1 didn’t include the yankees)

But to his credit, when we lived in Arlington heights in the early eighties, he took me to my first MLB game at Wrigley.

"There are no curses here...Games are won and lost on the baseball field" - Lou Piniella

by El Borto on Oct 14, 2009 10:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry to say

but baseball wasn’t even broadcast on the radio in those days. The first game ever broadcast on the radio wasn’t even until August 5th, 1921 (Pirates vs Phillies). The only way anyone would’ve seen them win live was to be at the game. Kinda sad to admit.

by blakethesnake77 on Oct 14, 2009 10:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No one heard it on the radio

There were no radio broadcasts in 1908. Scientists were playing around with radio waves, but there were no stations or even voice transmissions. People in remote locations would follow games on a primitive version of MLB Gameday, where a telegraph would send out the results of each play and runners would be placed on a giant baseball diamond board for people to see. Pretty much only gamblers followed it. Of course, there were a lot of gamblers back then.

My grandmother died four years ago and would have been eight when the Cubs won. However, she was also in central Wisconsin and not a sports fan, so I seriously doubt she even knew it happened. Plus, there was no radio.

by Josh77 on Oct 14, 2009 10:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

How Big Was Baseball Back Then?

What is it even on the front page of the Chicago Tribune? I don’t think too many people quite frankly cared back in those days except the gamblers and diehard baseball fans. I think there may have been more fanfare for the Durham Bulls winning the AAA championship in 2009 than the Cubs winning the World Series back in 1908.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Oct 15, 2009 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cubs - Supreme In Baseball World

Thanks a million for the reproduction!

Cubs – Supreme in Baseball World

That’s a great headline. I had never seen the Tigers referred to as “Jungle Men” before. We know that could not have been meant as a racial slur at the time because all the Tigers had to be white. We know that when the Cubs next win the World Series that it will be front page news on all the sports websites and the remaining newspapers in existence all over the country. I hope it’s front page news in a lot of newspapers because that will have meant it’s in the near future with the way newspapers are dying off.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Oct 15, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

WHAT A GREAT HEADLINE!

I hope we use it next year when we win.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Oct 16, 2009 3:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention that Chicago in 1908 was one baseball-mad city

I recommend a reading of Crazy ’08 by Cait Murphy to appreciate how big baseball was to the country and especially to Chicago that year.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Oct 16, 2009 1:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't you ever see Ken Burns Baseball series?

Baseball was pretty big back even at that early date.

by madmf on Oct 15, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think his point was

That people outside the big cities cheered for their local minor league team—and the minors were very different back then. They were “free,” meaning that they tried to win their own championships with their own players and if a major league team wanted one of their players, they had to buy or trade for them.

There’s some truth to this, but by 1908, the National and American Leagues had clearly established themselves as the premier leagues and pretty much all baseball fans followed them. But just 20 years earlier in the 1880s, for example, there was still some question that the National League was the best league and some fans might not follow the NL or the American Association.

By the first decade of the 1900s, baseball had clearly established itself as “The National Pastime.” But the process of making “baseball” mean the National and American Leagues was not quite yet complete—although it was well underway by 1908.

by Josh77 on Oct 15, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For the National League, St. Louis was thought of as the far west...

in those days. A team’s “western road trip” meant Chicago, Cincinnati and St. Louis. The Cards eventually owned the Great Plains up to the foothills of the Rockies, thanks to KMOX broadcasts of the game. The people in the mountains – what few there were – couldn’t have cared less about MLB. But to the west of that, the Pacific Coast League (the Seals, the Padres, the Angels, the Stars et al) were thought of as every bit a major league as MLB. People of LA and San Fran worried about their teams and turned their noses up at the likes of the Cubs and Yankees.

So the people who cared about the Cubs (or any team’s) World Series victory lived in a very compact corner of the nation.

Joe, you coulda made us proud!

by copingwiththecubs on Oct 15, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

And by the way, radio was in its infancy at the time. The famous experiments by Hertz were about 20 years earlier, leading to the first very primitive radio prototypes sometime around 1895 by Tesla, Rutherford, Popov and most importantly Guglielmo Marconi.

Spark gap transmitters, Alexanderson alternators, coherers, Morse Code, Marconi-Fleming valves, primitive Audions, etc. but no phonie broadcasting in 1908. At that time, the transmission of voice audio was in an early, very experimental phase.

1906 radio technology, Bing Coherer/Decoherer (receiver) with Rhumkorff Transmitter, found at http://www.sparkmuseum.com/.

Long and Medium wave A.M. broadcasting started and Crystal (galena) receivers became widespread c. 10 years after last WS victory.

According to http://www.historicbaseball.com/fea/baseballbroadcasts.html :

1921 : The game goes to the air
On August 25, Harold Alren of KDKA in Pittsburgh, Pa., broadcasts the first baseball game over the air.

Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -

by eths on Oct 15, 2009 5:15 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

A pretty thorough account

of what Marconi went through to develop wireless radio is in a book called “Thunderstruck” by Erik Larson (who also wrote a fantastic book about the 1893 Chicago World’s Fair called “Devil in the White City: Murder, Magic, and Madness at the Fair that Changed America”). He combines Marconi’s story with one about a very sensational murder in which early wireless radio played a pivotal role in capturing the perpetrator.

by madmf on Oct 15, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Devil in the White City" was an awesome book.

Great documentary of late nineteenth century Chicago, and of how corruption in Illinois is not exactly something new.

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Oct 15, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1893

Outstanding book.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Oct 15, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmmn...

I’ve always looked at Marconi as the brains or business mind behind the invention of radio. The patent seeker and collector, but there’s a host of others that deserve credit, merit, and mention in terms of the hands-on invention. Fleming, Tesla, Thomas Edison, Fessenden, Deforest, Popoff, and countless others as inventors and experimenters contributed to radio.

There’s a content-filled book called “Stay Tuned: A history of American Broadcasting,” by C. Sterling & J. Kittross, it’s a bit pricey but I bought it several years back when I took a history of radio class.

by cubby23 on Oct 24, 2009 2:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The first baseball game broadcast on radio...

was on August 5, 1921, a game between the Phillies and Pirates in Pittsburgh.

More here.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Oct 24, 2009 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My grandfather & great grandfather saw them in the WS

at the West Side Grounds (now U of I @ Chicago).

Unfortunately for my father, he wasn’t born until 1911 so he missed out.

It was so cool learning the history of our city from family, the Cubs & ‘Hawks included. From the Great Chicago Fire (Mrs. O’Leary & her cow were NOT responsible) to the 1893 World’s Fair through the Cubs 1906-10 “Dynasty”, Prohibition, The Great Depression & Blackhawk ’34 & ’38 Stanley Cups, getting the history right from family was awesome.

Just win the next game...!

by blackhawk24 on Oct 15, 2009 8:18 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

How about the Chicago River

Nothing says more to me about the mind of the people of Chicago of that time than the Chicago River.

For those who don’t know, people were getting sick because raw sewage was getting dumped into the Chicago River, which flowed into Lake Michigan which is where Chicago gets it’s drinking water. So instead of finding something else to do with the sewage, they just decided to reverse the flow of the river.

That is just unbelievable to me.

by Josh77 on Oct 15, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had a neighbor who worked on it

LINKY

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by BigJohnAZ on Oct 15, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I heard the stories of the famed Army Corp of Engineers accomplishment

Fortunately for my family at the time, they lived well beyond the outskirts of town for quite some time and relied only on well water. Outskirts those days were what we know today as Diversey and Kedzie.

Just win the next game...!

by blackhawk24 on Oct 16, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kuddos

I give ak123 credit for having a cool idea. BCB could have a collection of Cubs WS stories at your fingertips. Very Cool!!

Don't let anyone steal your Joy

by bigz38fan on Oct 15, 2009 8:25 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

Rec this post so it will stay on the rec list for a while.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Oct 15, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

It just dawned on me that I have never heard any stories (except for reading books like Crazy 08). I also wanted to see if anyone on here actually had a story.

In one hand its sad at how few do but on the other hand, if someone does have a story to share, that’s fantastic!

by ak123 on Oct 15, 2009 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you are interested in what it was like in 1908

I recommend reading Cait Murphy’s Crazy ‘08. Here’s a nice review that has a lot of info on it. link

I agree with the reviewer that

Readers of "Crazy ’08" can almost smell the whiskey and taste the pigs’ knuckles.

"Fasten those seatbelts"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Oct 15, 2009 9:09 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Crazy 08

Here’s the review I wrote of that book in May 2007.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Oct 15, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Great book.

Go Cubs. Go Irish.

"I was in awe every time I walked on to the field." -- Ryne Sandberg

"No player in baseball history worked harder, suffered more, or did it better than Andre Dawson. He's the best I've ever seen." -- Ryno

by ctinsley12bsu on Oct 15, 2009 11:42 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Shoulda read further

I recommended this book further up. Terrific account of a crazy summer.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Oct 16, 2009 1:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I read

this book earlier in the year. It was an entertaning read, even if the wrong team won.

---AC 00 00 00 - Believe

by mjk83 on Oct 15, 2009 9:24 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

In 1908

My great grandparents were farming in the Pecos River valley fighting off cattle rustlers and other bad men.

Heck, we were not even a state yet.

"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"

by StevenABQ on Oct 15, 2009 9:28 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

best

Best I can do is my grandfather was a big Sox fan, since we grew up on the south side. He saw Joe Jackson 1917-18-19. Said he was he best hitter he ever saw. Did mention only one thing about my Cubs (who he always called the damn Cubs) Considered Hippo Vaughn a very underrated pitcher, and thought he was as good as any he’d seen in those days. As far as 1908, he would have been 9 yrs. old. Never talked about baseball before 1915.

"It's a funny old world. Man's lucky if he gets out of it alive." W.C. Fields

by KedzieKid on Oct 15, 2009 9:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

2 Indians World Series Victories Remembered

I had a grandmother that remembered 2 World Series victories by the Indians (1920, 1948). She was a huge Tris Speaker fan and hated Ty Cobb. Speaker was with the 1920 Indians. 1948 was recent to her for the Indians other World Series victory. She was born in April 1907 and died in 1998. I used to tell her that the Cubs had won 2 World Series in her lifetime. She saw a lot of Memphis Chickasaws games in the old Southern Association at now burned down Russwood Park. She recounted how she could see the flames from six miles away of the great fire at RussWOOD Park in 1960.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Oct 15, 2009 9:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I had a great aunt....

who was as big a Cubs fan as I have ever known. She was born in 1913, but her “Die Hard Cubs Fan Club” certificate, which was given to me when she died, lists the year she became a fan as 1931, when she would have been 18. My grandparents (her sister) on that side became big fans too because of her, but much later on. It was then passed on to my father, and then me. My great aunt always said her father was a huge Cubs fan too, so he was obviously an adult in 1908, but she never said anything about him remembering the Cubs from that far back. With no radio and not being from Chicago, I doubt it. She did remember the pennant winning teams of the 1930’s very clearly, though.

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Oct 15, 2009 3:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My Dad

was born in 1906 so he was alive and kickin’ when the Tigers were tamed. “Wildfire” Shulte was the centerfielder for the World Seried team.

by If we only had Hubbs on Oct 15, 2009 6:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My grandfather, (gone 25 yrs. now), was a Sox fan, but also a huge baseball fan...

He was 17 in 1908, and attended one game of the WS that year. (I can’t remember which game). Then in ‘45 he took my Dad to two games of the WS vs. the Tigers, (my Dad was 16 in 1945). The deal has always been that when the Cubs go to the WS again, that my Dad & I will go to a game at Wrigley. I hope it’s soon, Dad is 80 now, we’re running out of time.

I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...

by Jimmyeatworld on Oct 15, 2009 8:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Surprisingly he'd never been to a game at the time he wrote it.

Here’s a little more history about the song.
link

"Fasten those seatbelts"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Oct 16, 2009 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just a small correction

Song was actually published in 1910.

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by cubs1908 on Oct 26, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Every baseball book I have in my possession and article I've ever read says that it was written in 1908.

It was copyrighted on May 2nd, 1908. I’m not sure when it was actually published though.

"Fasten those seatbelts"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Oct 27, 2009 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

All four of my grandparents

were alive when the Cubs last won their two World Series titles. My paternal grandparents lived in the city but did not follow baseball or sports in general. My maternal grandparents (grandfather was born and raised in the city while my grandmother was born on a dairy farm in southern Wisconsin) did follow the Cubs to their dying days and used to tell stories about when the Cubs were baseball’s dominant team.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Oct 16, 2009 8:33 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

Two of my great-grandmothers and two of my great-grandfathers and one grandfather and one grandmother were living in Chicago in 1908.

I heard my grandfather talk about it once or twice. He was old enough to know that a Chicago baseball team had won something called a “World Series” and he was a newsboy and sold a lot of papers as a result; however, his parents were not “Americanized” enough to understand just how important baseball was to American culture.

As time went on and the Cubs became losers he became more and more proud about remembering 1908.

My Mom attended game 2 of the 1938 WS.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Oct 21, 2009 3:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

Cool stories. Hopefully, all of US will someday have stories like this to tell our own grandchildren.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Oct 21, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish I had been old enough

to know that I should press him for more details….

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Oct 21, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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