Stephen Drew to be shopped?
This links to a long article by Nick Cafardo that includes information about Jaramillo as well. What interests me, however, is the idea that the D'backs would shop Stephen Drew. If so, I'd hope the Cubs would be in on this. As a left-handed SS with power, platooned, Drew could fit our lineup very well. Additionally, Tracy Ringolsby is saying that Brad Hawpe is not going to be on the market, which makes me wonder if one of Carlos Gonzalez, Seth Smith, or Dexter Fowler might be.
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In a way...
… reading about how well Starlin Castro is doing, makes me think we should set our sights on other positions to solidify. Castro could be the Cubs’ SS by 2011.
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by Al on Oct 19, 2009 8:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate prospects....
Way too often, it’s like “Waiting for Godot”. So, consider me interested, especially given that I think he might very well see a spike in power moving into the NL Central.
by Damen Jackson on Oct 19, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Castro could be.
But it’s never a problem to have too many guys who can play SS at the ML level.
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by DGU on Oct 19, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One would be nice . . . .
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by Shanghai Badger on Oct 19, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
SWL - is that you? ;-)
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by ballhawk on Oct 19, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't mind the Cubs trying to get into the middle of this
Maybe AZ sends Drew to the Red Sox, who deal Jed Lowrie to the Cubs, and then Boston and Chicago send one pitcher each to the Diamondbacks. As a switch-hitter, Lowrie would be a good complement to Theriot, Baker, and Blanco in the middle IF. The Cubs could even put him in AAA for a while if he needs to regain his stroke after the wrist problems.
Fontenot (fon-te-no): Cajun for "scrappy"
by zambranofan on Oct 19, 2009 9:45 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Good idea
I like Lowrie, too. Even if the Cubs are committed to Theriot, which is one bad idea, hopefully they don’t make the same mistake as 2009, in not having a solid backup to Theriot.
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by DGU on Oct 19, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hm, well...
…an interesting idea. Drew would definitely bring more potential for pop at the SS position. Theriot, however, has outperformed him defensively (per UZR and, for the most part, RZR) and WAR over the last two seasons. So you’re saying you would platoon Theriot and Drew at SS?
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by dat cubfan daver on Oct 19, 2009 9:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know that you need a straight platoon necessarily
with all of Baker, Drew, and Theriot. You can mix and match, depending on who looks better at SS.
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by DGU on Oct 19, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He can play 2b only
but Drew and Theriot should be able to play at 2B, too.
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by DGU on Oct 19, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i can live with baker
in rf/lf/3rd/1st
by toonsterwu on Oct 19, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not full time mind you
just if needed
by toonsterwu on Oct 19, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah
I meant “only” in the sense of can he play 2B and SS. Baker can play the 4 corners and 2B.
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by DGU on Oct 19, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and 3rd base and first base
"hey
by jesus christos on Oct 19, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dean Smith would have loved him...
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by ballhawk on Oct 19, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No platoon
I just don’t think a platoon up the middle is the smartest thing. I’m not asking for Whitaker and Trammel, but I would like to see an everyday, regular double play combination on the Cubs. Unless we see another Fontenot situation, I say the two guys who win the starting jobs out of Spring Training, play 95 of the games.
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by bigz38fan on Oct 19, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling Lou feels the same way - at least about the shortstop position.
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by dat cubfan daver on Oct 19, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
If you need backups at those positions anyway, why not have ones who can tag-team the kinds of pitchers they hit better?
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by DGU on Oct 19, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um....
I’m not opposed to back-ups, but I don’t want shortstop “A” tagging up with 2B “A”, then “C”, then “B”, then “D” all season long. I want an everyday double play combination. If the same two guys play everyday, a routine is bound to develop.
All this righty versus left mumbo jumbo crap drive me insane. The Cubs and their fans are just consumed with the notion of playing the percentages. Go out and find a player who can hit both. Derek Jeter, to name just one, doesn’t platoon with anyone.
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by bigz38fan on Oct 19, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh wow.
An elite player isn’t platooned. What a surprise.
by Kansas25 on Oct 19, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many?
How many SS and 2B in MLB platoon? I can’t think of too many. Why can’t the Cubs get someone like that.
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by bigz38fan on Oct 20, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many teams have all-stars at every position
And a lights-out pitching staff?
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by Shanghai Badger on Oct 20, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I give up
I guess the majority of fans believe a platoon is the right way to go.
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by bigz38fan on Oct 20, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you get that from what I said?
Does my comment really read to you like I’d prefer a platoon to all-stars?
The point is that you need to be realistic.
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by Shanghai Badger on Oct 20, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does my comment
really read to you that I’m asking for an All-Star? I just want someone who can f*@#$^ hit both right-handed and left-handed pitchers.
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by bigz38fan on Oct 20, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point is that you need to be realistic.
See DGU’s question below.
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by Shanghai Badger on Oct 20, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tell me who we can get then.
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by DGU on Oct 20, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant 95% of the games
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by bigz38fan on Oct 19, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to kick the tires on Drew
Also I would put a call in about Chris Young to the D-Backs. Sean Marshall could be used as bait.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Oct 19, 2009 10:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
AZ could be our one-stop off-season trade partner.
What do you think they want for both? Keeping in mind this nice little article…
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by DGU on Oct 19, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, great article - maybe worth posting as a Fanshot.
Coming up with a realistic, defensible trade scenario is, truly, one of the most challenging things a baseball fan can do. I admire those of you who make honest, well-researched tries and pity those of you who don’t. (Oh, and I came across some mentions of that Bleacher Report debacle on Twitter. Suffice to say, I am not surprised in the least.)
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by dat cubfan daver on Oct 19, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go ahead and post it if you want.
I do think it’s worth reading, and has a Cub angle – how many here would have traded Theriot and “parts” for DeJesus or Teahen last offseason?
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by DGU on Oct 19, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
even though that rumor is a load of crap
the idea of greinke going to the nl central scares me
"hey
by jesus christos on Oct 19, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
btw
I don’t buy the “rumor” for one second of a Greinke to Milwaukee deal based on the parts listed that Mellinger was quoting from (Gamel, Salome, Hardy, Parra). Now, could
a) The Royals visit the idea of dealing Greinke? Perhaps, though I doubt it.
b) the Brewers put together a package that might net him? Perhaps.
I just don’t buy that foursome. I think they would want more of an offensive guarantee than Hardy/Gamel, and they would want more pitching impact than Parra. The stock of all three, while still high, is probably on a down note right now. If you start talking names like Lawrie and Odorizzi in there, perhaps I could see something happen. Salome is a catcher who isn’t a catcher.
by toonsterwu on Oct 19, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Salome
Do you think Salome is enough of not a C for Milwaukee who keep playing 2Bs who are not 2Bs and 3Bs who are not 3Bs and a 1B who is a DH?
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by DGU on Oct 20, 2009 6:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh boy...
I know this is going to be one of those questions that I regret asking, but what is the fascination that people have with Chris Young?
The kid has never had an OPS over .800, declining power, is a average baserunner, has no plate discipline, and is the very definition of rally killer. He’s a superior defender, but it seems like there are better options defensively for a team. So, what is it that I’m missing that make someone say, “I want this guy on my team”? And I ask as you’re not the only person that I’ve heard recently express interest.
I’m sorry, but the current incarnation of Chris Young does not make a ball club better. Any club.
by Damen Jackson on Oct 19, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
May have something to do with the fact that...
…Young always seems to be able to put the ball in the bleachers when he’s facing the Cubs.
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by dat cubfan daver on Oct 19, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Young's got a lot of talent; I've always expected more out of him.
And I feel like there are enough talents that landed in AZ and under-performed that I’m guessing getting them out of AZ could help. You’re right, though, and Chris Young isn’t on the top of my list.
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by DGU on Oct 19, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear you...
I mean, I never thought he’d turn into a .300 hitter or anything, but I also never dreamed he’d see this sort of regression.
by Damen Jackson on Oct 19, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
General thoughts
I’m wary of Stephen Drew (left/right splits, home/away splits, average defense), but if he’s available, I’d listen. I wouldn’t go all out on him, but at the right price, sure. If Castro or Lee develops, you could slide Drew to another position. Who knows, maybe Drew takes the next step and puts it together.
Chris Young – not so interested.
Rockies – I still don’t think Fowler gets moved, and as much criticism as Hawpe takes, he was one of their more consistent bats in recent years. I think they may shop Smith or Eric Young, though, both guys I’d take some interest to, depending on the price, but neither guy really fits what Hendry is likely to pursue (I’m just not sure that he would turn it over to a youngster that is relatively unproven like Young, and Smith isn’t the best fit).
by toonsterwu on Oct 19, 2009 2:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bring back Murton
How bout a bucket of balls to Colorado to reacquire the sadly unwanted Matt Murton. He could platoon with Fukudome in right. It would be sweet.
I would love to see Drew in a Cubs uni, but only for the right price. I’d imagine pitching prospects would be AZ’s top target. Not sure I’d want to give up Cashner or Jackson for him with a couple of legitimate SS prospects already waiting in the wings though.
by Bradsbeard on Oct 19, 2009 5:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Although
We really should have just claimed him off of waivers when we had the chance…
by Bradsbeard on Oct 19, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cue the unicorn.
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by dat cubfan daver on Oct 20, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately, and just like his rider,
it appears that this unicorn is right-hoofed.
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by DGU on Oct 20, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stephen Drew = Bobby Crosby
Overrated. Very much so.
Starlin Castro is the best prospect in the Cub system too. Therefore I don’t feel inclined to block his progress. He could be up with the Cubs by 2011.
"Cubs will win 79 to 83 games." BLou (7/21/09)
by BLou on Oct 19, 2009 7:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Getting a SS now, who is not a free agent, and paid big $
does nothing to block Castro. See Milwaukee, Hardy-Escobar.
Plus, Crosby and Drew are nothing alike, considering that Crosby was decimated by poor health and poor health decisions.
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by DGU on Oct 19, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Theriot is a better option than Drew
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by BLou on Oct 19, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drew is decent,
and like you said, he would be an excellent platoon guy. In regards to Colorado, no way in hell they trade either Gonzalez or Fowler, those guys have stud written all over them.
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by dakoose on Oct 20, 2009 12:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's very unlikely
that Drew gets dealt, either. The D’Backs have no SS replacement that is ready in the system. Trading Drew would leave a big hole, unless they got another SS in return.
by azjazzman on Oct 21, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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