Hey, Bud! It's Time For Replay Review: NLCS Game 5 Preview, Dodgers vs. Phillies, Wednesday 10/21, 7:07 CT
Fortunately, they had nothing to do with the outcome of ALCS game four, which the Yankees won 10-1. But there were three horrendous umpiring calls in consecutive innings in last night's game -- and two of them were made by Tim McClelland, who has a reputation as one of the best in baseball. The one that everyone's talking about has been termed by Kevin Kaduk ("Duk") of Yahoo sports as "The Worst Call of All Time".
I don't think I'd go that far, because as noted above, even all three calls put together had negligible impact on the game. Had 2B umpire Dale Scott made the right call when Erick Aybar had Nick Swisher picked off second base in the fourth, that inning would have been over -- but McClelland made the wrong call in saying that Swisher, later in the inning, left third base too early and thus was out instead of scoring. No harm done, right? Well, maybe. If Swisher is called out at second, the inning would have been over, and Scott Kazmir wouldn't have had to pitch to two extra hitters in that inning.
But McClelland's call in the fifth -- how can you miss that when it's right in front of you? Angels catcher Mike Napoli tagged two runners, neither of whom was standing on third base at the time. They were both out. True, again, no "harm" was done, because the Yankees failed to score after that. But Darren Oliver, as Kazmir had to do in the previous inning, had to throw to another hitter. Who knows what the pitch sequences would have been, or whether Kazmir might have been able to settle down when it was only 3-0? After the game, McClelland said:
As far as the two calls that I had at third base. The first one with Swisher leaving too soon. In my heart I thought he left too soon.
On the play with Cano and Posada, I thought Cano was on the base. I was waiting for two players to be on the base, and when there was never the situation where both of them were on the base at the same time. When he tagged Cano, I thought Cano was on the base, and when Jorge touched the base and continued and tagged Posada out, I thought Posada was out.
In his heart??? You're not supposed to make calls with your heart, Tim. You're supposed to watch the game with your eyes. And you "thought" Cano was on the base? How about checking with your eyes?
I'm being deliberately too tough on McClelland here -- he is, as I wrote above, generally respected as one of the best in the game. The real villain here is Bud Selig, because he refuses to admit that replay review of plays like this is necessary in modern baseball. Under a system that's been proposed by others and that I agree with, you could give each manager two "red flags" that he could throw for replay review. Last night, two plays went against the Angels and one against the Yankees -- you could have gotten those right under that system and everyone would be happy, I presume, that the right calls were made instead of having another postgame apology news conference from an umpire.
It's way past time, Bud. You already have review for home runs, and it's working well. Time to have review for other calls. The umpiring in the postseason has been atrociously bad. Let's fix it.
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Right on Al
I agree with you wholeheartedly
Without Hi-Def and 100 camera angles, would we even care?
Human beings just make human being mistakes. We pay them to make their best judgments, and when they make a mistake, we call them "unqualified." Jeez people, these are professional umps. It’s not that umps are making more mistakes than usual… it’s that there are 100 camera angles analyzing their every move.
I suppose an ump with 30+ years experience like Tim McClelland should be second guessed in every call he makes?
Replay is a waste of time. Baseball is already struggling to hold on to even a bleep on a ratings share, so we want to make it even more boring. I happen to like the idea of an ump making a human call in the heat of the moment. It makes the experience seem more real.
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Nobody's suggesting to second-guess every call Tim McClelland makes.
Only the atrociously bad ones like last night’s.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
The Cano/Posada double play was very hard for TM to see...
Either way, the benefit of slowing the game down even 6 minutes to watch a replay that may or may not be conclusive isn’t worth wasting the TV audience’s time. Sorry, but when you’re up against 300 other channels at 9pm all searching for your attention, the last thing you want to do is pause the action. Even a modest replay in terms of home run balls is a bad, bad idea.
I hope Selig fights the hell out of this one unless they can do it in a way that takes less than a 30 second commercial break.
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Tim?
Is that you?
Chicago
Cubs
We are the better CC.
by Zy Toro Young on Oct 21, 2009 1:31 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
So you'd rather have...
… screaming arguments between managers and umpires, ejections and suspensions? Forget it, I’m for replay.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Meaning, let's get on with the game...
There’s nothing “instant” about instant replay. The ump makes a call, the players and fans accept the call. 99% of the time the ump is right. That’s real baseball.
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Yes, because players and managers holding up the game with arguing
is SUCH a time-saver.
I don’t see a lot of “accepting” of bad calls. Players and managers have no other choice now.
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No... managers arguing calls is good for ratings.
;p
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With all due respect...
… getting it right is more important.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Right...
I’m up against it in this argument, I realize this, but these are the types of things that the NFL had to deal with when they brought back replay after it’s absence.
Figure out in some focus groups and field testing which is the fan favorite, and then go with a compromise solution.
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And replay works well in the NFL...
… without inordinately delaying games.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I'm just in the minority there as well...
Like I said, replay sucks, but if you’re going to do it, then don’t screw around with your audience.
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How does replay "suck"?
You have continued to fail at providing an explanation for your feelings on this. If it’s a gut feeling, or any type of feeling there’s a reason for it, and where waiting to see what you’ve got.
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 21, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
Replay, when implemented correctly, doesn’t suck. Think about it like this: how would you feel if the Cubs were robbed because of a horrible call that ended up costing them a division, league, or world series title?
All umps are humans and make mistakes, but McClelland was clearly wrong last night in two situations a seasoned ump shouldn’t miss.
FWIW, did anybody notice McClelland being involved in a few big occurrences like this? If I am not mistaken, he was home plate ump of the Pine Tar Incident, as well as home plate ump when Sosa got caught with the corked bat (he was the one who caught him doing it).
Learn this line, and use it often- "Yes dear, you're right, I'm sorry" -Bob Brenly
Correct on both accounts
He also worked the game when Brett got his 3,000th hit, according to Wikipedia.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I've made my case several times in this thread...
I’m not going to rehash every argument that I’ve made.
Every argument should have a right to a dissenting opinion. My opinion has been treated like a threat on this site for some reason, so I’ll just end it here.
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You've not made a single argument
except for whining about time, which was swatted away like the mosquito that it is.
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what happened to the kinder, gentler Worf fatherhood was supposed to bring?
Did you lose your cowboy hat already?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
No
put it in in time for the World Series.
There is no compromise.
Get it right.
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Well, if Bart Giamatti were still alive, he'd do that.
If Bud Selig were still alive, he could do it, too.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I just don't understand why they haven't implemented replay the way they should...
It’s not rocket surgery.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 21, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
What is real is that
Cano was out and it was obvious.
Get the call right.
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by Zy Toro Young on Oct 21, 2009 1:48 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
McClelland's nonchalance is what bothers me.
The calls didn’t really affect the game’s outcome. But they may have played a part in crushing the Angels’ spirit.
Oh! My poor spirit! That dirty ump stepped on it!
“Spirit” don’t get you another 9 runs, sorry to say.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
What McClelland won't say is that he was simply out of position.
He was standing right behind Posada so he probably couldn’t see Cano was off the bag. If you go to Duk’s “Worst Call of All Time” blog entry and scroll down – you’ll see the video clip picture that shows it best. No need to play the video, just look at the picture – McClelland is starting to lean his head to the right to try and see what’s going on.
He’s a crew chief. He’s been doing this for umpteen years. And he’s done it well. But last night he just had a brain fart, big time. Someone at that level should not be leaning their head to get a better view. He should be moving his whole body. That play was developing right in front of him and it was developing slow enough that he had plenty of time to move a couple feet over.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Oh, and I understand that even the best of them have brain farts.
But what I don’t understand is where were the other umps on this play – specifically the home plate AND the LF line umps. Seems like they ought to have been in perfect position to see that Cano wasn’t on the bag when the tage was made.
I don’t know what the protocol is for umps to gather, but it seems like that would have been a perfect situation for such a gathering to take place.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Here's a great idea from Fangraphs' Dave Cameron: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/alcs-coverage-the-umps/.
Forget the red flag/challenge system. Just have an ump up in a room somewhere with a TV and a radio. Then, if an ump blows a call, he tells the crew chief over his headset, it’s corrected, and they move on with the game. It takes maybe ten seconds.
Yes... this is one possible way...
But you and I know that this will still take 10 minutes for the really tough calls. I say pass on this and let the umps take the heat if they blow one.
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Why
Why allow mistakes if you can prevent it. How many times would you really need to challenge in a 9 inning game anyway. 2? Maybe.
by niuhuskie224 on Oct 21, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Oooh, the umps get heat!
Meanwhile, the calls are blown and games are lost that shouldn’t have been lost.
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Fine by me...
Otherwise, there’s no real reason to have umps.
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this ones for you Al
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
They're doing it wrong
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"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
10 minutes?
Ridiculous. HR replay reviews don’t take more than 2-3 minutes, far less than an argument.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
It would have taken any replay official worth a damn
12 seconds max to overturn last night’s calls.
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I made a similar point above...
There’s not much I can do to effectively win this argument, but as long as the time factor is weighed in, that’s all I can hope for.
I just dread having to deal with my wife on Thursday nights when Project Runway is on in the middle of the LCS. At least she lets me watch the game during commercial breaks. If there’s a huge review happening, then I’d miss like five pitches.
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Dude...there are a million commericals, pitchers are given unlimited time
and playoff baseball always seems to have at-bats with 15 fouled-off pitches.
Replay won’t do much more than that.
Embrace it.
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Ha!
You are SO right on! I’m going to give you my wife’s email address…
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Wait.
I have to convince your wife you need another TV?
Methinks you may have more problems than which TV show to watch.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
The Worfs
have three TVs and three TiVos.
It is the secret to our marriage.
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Uverse here brah
In home DVR. Record on one TV, watch on any of them!
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 21, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
In my house...
You don’t screw with Project Runway. I could end up sleeping on the couch for a week.
I coulda done worse… At least she’s a Cubs fan.
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Then she's forgiven. Sort of.
Worf is right about multiple TV’s.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
And if the ump takes
the heat that helps the team who loses the game on a blown call how?
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
umps taking heat?
You mean being embarrassed, heckled, and criticized for a few hours after the game? What effect would this have? Maybe if the offending ump was forced to sit out the next game or relegated to menial, non-umpire work or something like that… But “taking heat” amounts to nothing more than an hour or so of embarrassment.
I realize that forcing umps to miss games w/o pay, etc. for making a bad call is not very realistic….which is exactly why replay should be implemented to solve this problem.
I just wonder what
Cano was even thinking just standing there without ever touching the base. And what was the ump looking at? It was a terrible call. The first two sort of canceled each other out. Swisser was out so he shouldn’t have scored.
And did anyone get the feel the joe buck and tim mcarver were overly critical of the Angels while slobbering over the Yankees.
Chicago
Cubs
We are the better CC.
by Zy Toro Young on Oct 21, 2009 1:26 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
These Umpires are playing like the Cubs.
ANAHEIM — Those lucky Yankees, leading a charmed life and enjoying outrageously good fortune.
The Yankees thought they were playing the Angels in the 2009 ALCS with real ML umpires officiating the games.
Instead, the Chicago Cubs put on the black shirts and gray trousers.
Last October, the Red Sox beat the Angles in four games, swiftly but cruelly destroying the inflated hopes of a well run franchise. It wasn’t all that predictable.
This October, the Yankees have a chance to win the pennant in five games, thanks to the umpires, who have inexplicably turned into the Cubs, right before your disbelieving eyes. And that was unpredictable.
Do not adjust your HD TV sets at home, and do not throw any hard objects at those television screens: These aren’t really the Cubs; they only look like it. They are the umpires, calling strikes balls and fair balls foul and missing pickoffs on the bases and blowing obvious calls and going all Leon Durham ’84 on us in an epic meltdown.
Except that there is no curse in Anaheim today. Only curse words. And there is no billy goat haunting the Angels.
But Tim McClelland is turning into the goat of this bizarre 2009 postseason.
Is McClelland the only ump wearing the Cubs’ hat in this postseason? Well, of course not. Phil Cuzzi got confused (a-la Milton Bradley and the number of outs) as to which side of the white line was fair and foul in Game 2 of the Yankee/Twins ALDS. C.B. Bucknor was apparently replaced with Ryan Theriot for the Sox/Angels series and blew multiple calls in the same game. Even Greg Gibson got in on the act and ruled Lowell had tagged a runner that he hadn’t. And let’s not forget the dynamic duo of HP umpire Jerry Meals and 1B umpire Ron Kulpa blowing a Chase Utley single in two different ways…it was a foul ball, and Helton didn’t come off the bag.
The umpires still have some games left to try and redeem themselves. They’re in dire circumstances as they walk back into Citizens Bank Park and Angel Stadium and for Game 5 on Wednesday and Thursday respectively. The comeback begins with these two steps:
1. Quit impersonating the Cubs.
2. Pay attention. Survive.
It’s all they can do.
Oh, and one more thing: I hate the Yankees.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 21, 2009 1:28 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
APPROVED

"Was you ever punched in the face five hundred times a night? It stings after a while." ~Rocky Balboa
Nicely done!
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 21, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Why wouldn't you want to fix something if it is wrong.
If someone makes a mistake, you challenge and move on. Everyone says it would slow the game down, but if you have 4 challenges (2 per team and this assumes that home run calls need to be challenged) and you limit it to 3 minutes, or have an umpire upstairs make the call right away, we are talking a max of 12 minutes. When a manager gets thrown out it is easily longer than that. Easily. Why does stupidity have to be a part of the game. The other thing is, umpires are really unnecessary 99% of the time. They facilitate the game. So having them out there just opens up to errors. Use technology, love it and that will be that.
Lou can't run out onto the field and yell at technology!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 21, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I would love seeing him kick sand at a PC
It would show virtual spunkiness!
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
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by eths on Oct 21, 2009 1:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
He could, but
it’s a lot harder to curse using only 1’s and 0’s.
"Was you ever punched in the face five hundred times a night? It stings after a while." ~Rocky Balboa
Then what if they run out of the challenges?
Are they SOL, or do they just get screwed again if they run out of challenges? Let’s say an ump blows 3 calls like they did last night. By the time the 3rd challenge comes around, they’re screwed and someone on a blog goes out and says there should be unlimited flags allowed.
Man, these rules could only go down the road of computers calling balls and strikes. And don’t say that’s never been proposed.
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That is such a useless straw man
Two challenges and automatic reviews after the 8th.
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If the computer calls balls and strikes
better than a human count me in.
by niuhuskie224 on Oct 21, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Or...
… if you’re worried you’d run out of challenges, maybe you don’t challenge a missed call in a 0-0 game in the 2nd inning, you save it for later.
Adds more strategy and intrigue. I like that.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Like how you don't play for 1 run early in a game.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 21, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Here, here
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 21, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Still... these are things that must be considered.
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Do they? Really?
Why do they need to be considered when there is sound reasoning behind how challenges should be done?
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 21, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Because there doesn't seem to be...
…a one size fits all approach here. I’m just saying that there are consequences to every rule change, and that if you don’t take into consideration every possible detail, then you’re going to have people on blogs writing about how much Bud Selig screwed this one up, too.
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I think several people here...
… have done that, taking into account most details. I assume no replay system would go into effect without people thinking about the details. The HR replay system already works well — all we are suggesting is to add other plays to be considered, with minimal delays because a fifth umpire would already be on-site to review in the press box.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
So do nothing at all then
because of what some blogger will say about an already reveiled commish?
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 21, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
As I recall,
Two calls went against the Angels, while the third went against the Yankees.
So, your argument is flat unless you follow the NFL example and give teams a third challenge if they get the first two right.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 21, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Replay would show what it has always shown
That the umps are right 96-98 percent of the time.
It’s the other 2-4 percent that need fixing.
There is no rational reason to oppose replay. None. Even the “time” argument is stupid. Baseball is already a four-hour committment. Adding replay isn’t going to be the straw that breaks anyone’s back.
Here’s the trade-off. Instead of a useless argument, you have replay. That’s the carrot you give umps in all this. You really lose no more time.
Managers either challenge it, or sit down and shut up. If a manager comes out to argue and is just doing it to waste time, incite the crowd, work off a grudge, whatever, then run his ass.
But I guess that isn’t “real” enough for some people.
Fuck real. I want it right.
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by Worf on Oct 21, 2009 1:36 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Worf
You are right on. I don’t understand why anyone would continue to be against this. Balls and Strikes is a different argument because replay for that will be have QuesTech or whatever take over for an umpire.
I also want it right.
by niuhuskie224 on Oct 21, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Balls and strikes are a whole nother thing
That really is like holding in football. You could conceivably call holding on 95 percent of the plays.
Speed up the game by enforcing the 20-second rule and stop making replay the bad guy.
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I want to save the fanbase...
Not everyone is as hardcore as we are. We’re up against Hannah Montana, for chrissakes. The attention span of the average sports fan doesn’t allow for a 5-10 minute break in the action to fart around with replay.
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good point ...
Also, the entire replay process probably wouldn’t be any longer than the time it takes for a manager to argue a call.
EXACTLY!
But you can’t get a purist to give that up.
They’d rather see a 64-year-old fat guy in an ill-fitting uniform waddle out and argue to where he’s a millisecond away from a heart attack than an actual RIGHT call.
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actually, it's pretty fun watching a 20(30? 40?)something klingon with a spit towel slung over his shoulder...
put down Junior and pound on the keyboard to where he’s a millisecond away from cleaning up another poop attack. ;-)
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if Junior is pooping
and the wife catches me on this blog, I will be a dead Klingon.
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Purist or not or how to make everybody happy
Two overweight elderly males screaming at each other at a distance of exactly one inch is an American ritual. Replays yes but with a prerequiste temper tantrum while the call is being reviewed.
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
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by eths on Oct 21, 2009 2:10 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Probably less in most instances
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The NFL has hot cheerleaders
nuff said.
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We have this nailed down
2 Challenges innings 1-7
Booth reviews after the 8th
- Fair/Foul
- Home Run
- Safe/Out at any base
- Trap Calls – Where if it is a trap and called out on the field and determined to be fair, it is ruled a base hit or ground rule double. I wont be hung up on this to get replay.
- NO BALLS AND STRIKES
- Hit Batsman
- IF THEY CALLED 4 STRIKES! Some will laugh but I believe this happened twice this year alone.
All of this being said, if a manager argues, he is ejected.
And this will not be reviewed on the field, there will be a 5th umpire in the booth who makes the determination. And evidence must be 100% conclusive to overturn.
Right, so that leaves us with
Balls/Strikes — Too cumbersome and too open to interpretation anyway
Balks — Again, open to interpretation
Interference on basepaths — Another one that is in the eye of the beholder.
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But damn... we'd be so close to an actual Technical Balk...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Someday, Technical Balks will be in every level of baseball
and you all will bow before me as a genius!
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Technically
Drew came up with the term. DaBard came up with the idea.
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2008/8/12/592133/another-tradition-dying-go#8049500
Unless you’re claiming ownership of either of the above handles. Not that I’d be surprised…
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"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I believe Worf
is DaBard.
"Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things." ~Winston Churchill
One other thing
You have until the next pitch is thrown to throw the flag. The ump should have some latitude to determine if the pitcher is stalling or quick-pitching, depending on what his team’s best interest is.
(Or you just enforce the damn 20-second rule)
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Or... we could "replay the replay"
So that the ump can review the play to see if the pitcher is either stalling or quick pitching. From there, you can review the ump’s review to see if they reviewed the review correctly.
Okay, now I’m just being an ass.
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No, you're being a dick
You passed ass 17 posts ago.
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Oh, the tyranny of the minority...
Alternate points of view need not apply.
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No, the tyranny of the majority
The minority position is the one you hold.
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It's not an alternate point of view.
You’re being contentious for the sake of being contentious. Look it up if you need a clue.
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 21, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow, I never saw it that way...
That was not my intention. I just really honestly hate instant replay… just attempting to salvage not having to listen to 5 more minutes of Joe Buck than I have to night after night.
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That's why remote
controls have a mute button.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
The "mute" button is your friend in that case.
There’s a reason I always mute the game when it’s on Fox.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 21, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
The alternate point of view, btw, is...
No instant replay. This is my position… it’s just hard to justify the night after three blown calls.
Proud recipient of a hot dog shot from the Iowa Cubs hot dog gun.
And what's your excuse for a blown call
for every other game being played during the regular season, or what’s your excuse for the ALDS?
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 21, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
You can't quick pitch if there is no batter in the batter's box
If the offensive team is mulling over a red flag toss, then the batter can do what they do to give a pitcher that just ran the bases-stall, reapply pine tar to his bat, etc.
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All of a sudden Nomar Garciaparra's career catches a second wind
and somewhere Mike “The Human Rain Delay” Hargrove is looking through his closet for his favorite bat…
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"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
How can you say they had no bearing on the outcome?
Anything could have happened if those calls are made differently. Less pitches thrown, the defence is in a different position due to men on base, pitch selection would be different. I find these calls as well as the blatant missed calls in earlier series to be very problematic. Yes umpires will make mistakes, but these are very obvious calls that have happened in nearly every game. One bad call can have a drastic effect, but a team should be able to overcome it. Two bad calls can cause a lopsided game.
Read my post again.
I did take into account the extra pitches thrown.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Congratulations, Al...
You’ve invented a new time! 7:067 PM. Have they officially added a few minutes per hour to give the umps more time to blow calls? If so, bravo Bud.
It IS hard to get too much sympathy for the Angels worked up
when the score is ultimately 10-1.
Just like it’s hard to get too much worked up on the Twins’ behalf when they have the bases loaded/no outs and don’t score.
But the umps aren’t going to spontaneously get better and TV isn’t going to spontaneously get more forgiving.
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McClelland, who is MLB's second best ump IMO, blew the call...
but give him credit for admitting his mistake last night to the media after the game. Most umps wouldn’t have talked to the media at all, let alone admit blowing a call.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
Agreed. He showed himself to be accountable and a class act, though
it doesn’t change the argument for expanding replay to include out of the ordinary events like occurred last night.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
I wonder if it's MLB policy to make the crew chief available after games
Back in the Twins/Yankees series, it was the crew chief then who spoke to media afterwards explaining the thought process and how bad the other ump (Cuzzi) felt about the blown fair/foul call.
And I’m almost positive TM is the crew chief for this series, so it makes sense he’s the one talking to the media after the game – it just so happened to be mostly about his blown calls.
Of course, I get the sense that he’s a good enough guy he’d make himself available after a call like that, regardless of if he’s the crew chief. But again, maybe it’s MLB policy for only the crew chief to talk.
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In the Twins/Tigers' game, Brandon Inge was hit by the pitch with the bases loaded, but it was not called because the umpire admitted it was so loud, he couldn't hear the ball clip the jersey.
Replay showed clearly that the ball hit the jersey. The non-call directly affected the on field play (and one could argue, the end result) of a one-game playoff.
It was the wrong call then. It’s still the wrong call now. We have the technology to fix this problem without compromising the authority or autonomy of the umpiring crew. Booth review only STRENGTHENS the argument that “the players should decide the game outcome.”
It’s fixable. And there is a LOT of money at stake to get it right. You don’t think the Tigers would have liked to have had at least one home playoff game and the revenue attached? Is it going to take an owner suing MLB over a blown call to force the issue?
Sorry, but for me, this is a no brainer- and I’m the most hardcore “traditionalist” you’ll find when it comes to baseball. So many good ideas have been expressed as to how to “mechanically” handle replay on non-ball/strike calls. For cripes sake, pick a version and just do it Bud. Stop being a doofus.
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
by Zeke on Oct 21, 2009 3:21 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
The "ball hitting the uniform" as a part of the HBP rule (with exception of the helmet) is about the lamest one in the rulebook...
but I get the point.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 21, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
It is lame, I agree.
BUT- If it’s a rule for 162 games, then it’s a rule for game 163, and beyond
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
I was rooting for the Twins in that game.
But your points are right on.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Yeah, while I was disappointed the Tigers lost, I have no problem losing to the Twins.
Class organizations…both.
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
that call definitely would have been reversed on replay
But I think something needs to be done about loose jerseys. While he’s no Prince Fielder, Inge’s baggy jersey made that HBP possible—a neatly tucked in jersey and there’s no contact.
It's not just the owners
There’s a lot of minimum wage parking attendants, security guys, vendors and a lot of local businesses that make money off home games, especially home playoff games.
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Agreed. A million dollar mistake. Multi-million depending on how long the playoff run is...
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
On account of because
“Gentlemen, we can rebuild him. We have the technology. We have the capability to build the world’s first bionic man. Steve Austin will be that man. We can make him better than he was before. Better, stronger, faster…”
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I blame Bud Selig for 98% of all that’s wrong in baseball.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
And since there's no replay review of your post...
… you must be correct!
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
He's trying to give Bettman a run for his money in the "most inept commissioner" contest
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Wrong.
The other 2% is split between FOX and ESPN, specifically the duos of Buck/McCarver on FOX and Miller/Morgan on ESPN.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 21, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions

Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
McClelland's off season radio show in Des Moines
Yes, he hosts a radio show with fellow umpire Eric Cooper, both from West Des Moines. It’s a great show with calls made to all types from baseball. They even dissect calls made during the post season; it will be interesting to see what Tim says about himself this time.
I know Tim McClelland, it’s easy to bash people you don’t know, but he is one of the good guys. I can’t believe he blew two calls and I bet he can’t either. This tarnishes a fine career in MLB.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
I'd like to hear what umpires like that have to say about replay.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Don Denkinger
was by most accounts, one of the better umpires. He was the crew chief for the 1991 World Series, which was as intense and pressure-packed a World Series as you’ll find, and the umps performed beautifully there.
But he is forever linked to a bad call.
Had replay been around then, no one would know his name.
Replay will SAVE umpires from going down on the ass end of history.
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Correct.
Safe?

He still maintains ties with the 1985 Cardinals team 20 years later. He has even autographed pictures of “The Call.”
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 21, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions
And somewhere
The Padres are still waiting for Matt Holliday to touch home.
http://sports.espn.go.com/videohub/video/video?id=3045730
Just in case you were wondering, that game’s Home Plate umpire: Tim McClelland
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
And he is another Iowa guy
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
I haven't heard this, but supposedly Tim stood up and said "I blew it".
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
That's a great, standup thing to say.
But “blowing it” might have changed the course of the game. Let’s give the umpires a tool for them to use to get the calls right. Then no umpire will ever have to say “I blew it” again.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
That's the least we can expect of them
had he said, “Nope, got it right” then he should have been fired.
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What about only using instant replay in the playoffs?
The rationale being that the best teams are going to make the playoffs regardless of a blown call here or there. Of course you can argue about the blown Brandon Inge call in game 163 against the Twins, but in general there are much fewer regular season plays that seem to be plagued by these umpiring gaffes. For whatever reason these umps seem to be getting more and more wrong calls as the playoffs go on as opposed to less and less as the scrutiny piles up. Maybe the pressure is to great.
This should be the barest minimum. However, any play-in
games or required final game make ups should also have replay as the outcomes must be as important as a playoff game to one team if they have to be played at all.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
It's nice that Al tells us who the announcers are
But it’s unforgivable to not include a Sager Warning in the box, too.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I think Sager is so irrelevant...
… he’s not worth mentioning.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Obviously
You’ve never met the man. Or had him in your NCAA pool. Or rode a shuttle bus to a Braves-Cubs game with him from his (formerly good, now defunct) sports bar.
“You like the Cubs? Really?”
“Yes, Craig. Haven’t we had this conversation for like, 5 years running now? By the way, you still owe me your pool entry fee. I covered you, ‘cuz I figured you’re good for it.”
I printed out Shane Battier’s draft-day beatdown of Sager. Said bar tacked it up on the bulletin board by the front door.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Anybody here watching the game?
4-2 Phils in b4
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
Check that. 5-2 now.
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
This is the inning that will not end
Troncoso finally induced out #1
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Gotta love a 20+ minute half inning.
6-2 now. 2 HBPs.
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
Apparently the 26 minute wait to get back on the mound cost Hamels.
6-3 Phils. T5. Happ now pitching for Philly.
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
Uh, oh. 2 on, 1 out for LA
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
I just hope the umps didn't mess up either.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 21, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh boy. Another pitching change...
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Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
Chad Durbin! Former Lansing Lugnut!
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
Nice "jog" to first Manny.
The Dodgers are done.
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
McClelland IS one of the better umpires
and umpires will tell you — this was in Verducci’s article after he umped a few instructional league games — that when the players screw up — throw to the wrong base, get caught in rundowns, etc… — the umps are likely to screw up.
McClelland was expecting the play to unfold a certain way. When the players did it another way, he got confused. It happens.
The hilarious Ron Luciano told a story in his book. He said he was umping at first when the first baseman fielded the ball and ran for the bag. He missed the bag with the foot he was lunging with, but managed to get back and tag it with his OTHER foot before the runner arrived.
The fancy footwork threw Luciano, and he called the runner safe. The manager came out to argue and Luciano said, “Don’t blame me! Your guy tagged the base with the wrong foot!”
The manager said, “You’re right!” and walked away.
Replay is meant to SAVE situations like that.
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by Worf on Oct 21, 2009 8:51 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
All the more reason to have someone up in the booth reviewing all the plays.
College football does that in bowl games. Makes sense to have someone doing that in baseball games (not all games, maybe just playoff games).
OT: How is Alexander doing?
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 21, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions
By "Alexander" I mean µWorf
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 21, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions
"Grover Cleveland Alexander Worf" `
May have worked better :D
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Maybe, maybe not.
Alexander is Worf’s son in Star Trek.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 22, 2009 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm having a hard time deciding
Which one of us is nerdier right now.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Actually, it's "Star Trek: The Next Generation"
I win…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
He also appeared in "Star Trek: Deep Space 9."
I win.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 22, 2009 2:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Not to forget: Star Trek Expanded Universe
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
I love watching the Dodgers lose!
All their fans were so arrogant about having the best NL record, and got more so after sweeping STL. I will rub it in @ work tomorrow like they did to me last year!
Hopefully Frank McCourt’s divorce works out like John Moores’ and the Dodgers hold a fire sale like the Padres did!
"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie"
Phillies fans already chanting YANKEES SUCK in the 8th
Works for me.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 21, 2009 10:37 PM CDT reply actions
Such happy sounds :)
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
So lemme recap the Mets 2009 season:
—Completely and totally fail in the regular season
—Former GM hooks up with a real…not…attractive intern
—Phillies make World Series (huge rival)
—Yanks make World Series (huge rival)
GREAT SEASON!
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
you forgot
—stubhub sends out emails about buying mets postseason tickets
"hey
by jesus christos on Oct 21, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Cubs too.
Thanks a lot stubhub for really rubbing it in.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 21, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
They did it for the Nationals, too.
Stubhub’s email system needs work.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Well Nat fans probably got a chuckle rather than a hit to the gut.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 22, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Also
Every single Opening Day starter has at least 30 days on the DL.
The Mets suck for a myriad of reasons, but this is one year they can legitimately blame the injury bug for (most of) their woes.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Phillies
Your repeating NL Champs.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
"Stevie" Eyre has the last laugh on Lou for a 2nd year.
Bako must be pretty happy he got cut too.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 21, 2009 10:55 PM CDT reply actions
I'm sure Scott Eyre
gives naut a shit about the Chicago Cubs. Just like Mark DeRosa doesn’t give a shit about the Cubs. It’s been two years for Eyre, a year for DeRosa. Who cares? It’s like an ex-girlfriend…get over it, both sides.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Oh I think Eyre remembers being cut by Lou
but he is a happy guy now. Remember Eyre was driving his monster RV down home Florida after being cut when Hendry called and told him the Phillies were picking him up. I am sure Lou doesn’t give a shit.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 21, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Sometimes, you never get over it.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
No red flags, Al
NFL football has damaged replay’s rep. Just have an official review all plays upstairs in the post-season. Make him an umpire so the union will bless the system that gives them an additional job opening per stadium in the finals. (In the regular season you might need the challenges system and have the umpires go to the booth because there are too many games at the same time.) Have the replay official communicate wirelessly to the umpires on the field the ruling he makes when he deems it necessary to intervene and pass a rule that any further discussion by a manager, coach or player will result in an automatic expulsion.
Way to go Phillies
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
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by eths on Oct 22, 2009 1:50 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Save for a couple of late Dodger hits in game 2, this would have been a Philly sweep.
More and more, I’ve come to appreciate how special it is to simply make the playoffs. Once you are in, any team can get hot.
So many fans’ (and some would argue management’s) over-reaction to the Cubs being swept out in 2007 and 2008 takes on a different look- at least to me.
Disappointment, sure. But shame in being swept- no.
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
OTOH...
… if Broxton can get one more out in game 4, that series would have been tied going into last night and a very different series.
Just goes to show you how quickly a playoff series can turn around.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Very true...
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
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by eths on Oct 22, 2009 8:46 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
No kidding
We all remember a certain 8th inning six years ago. Despite all that, I think they have something special going on in Philadelphia.
-Three Consecutive Division Titles: 2007, 2008, 2009
-Two Consecutive NL Pennants: 2008, 2009
-One World Series Title: 2008
-MVP Award Winners: Ryan Howard (2006), Jimmy Rollins (2007)
You can argue that Ryan Howard should have been the NL MVP last season. Albert Pujols is very likely going to be NL MVP again this year. It doesn’t really matter because the Phillies have shown NL teams how to not only win as a team, but to have sustained success much like the Big Red Machine of the 1970’s or the Braves of the 1990’s. One of the things I’ve noticed from watching the Phillies for the last couple of years is that they’re a well oiled machine. The Yankees (or Angels if they can pull off the miracle) are likely going to be rudely awakened when they run into the Phillies.
This run of success really shows you what the Cubs were missing this year. This team plays like a team (no clubhouse cancer), they put runs on the board and their pitching gets the job done when it matters. I’m not really concerned with playing the “what if” game, but I hope Tom Ricketts is taking notice of what the Phillies have done to achieve the success they have. There’s no reason that we can’t have another Cubs dynasty because curses aren’t real.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
So is this an issue of fixing something...
human eyes in the heat of the moment CANNOT accurately and repeatably detect or is it correcting poor umpire judgment? To me it is the latter rather than the former.
THEREFORE, this is an issue to fix umpire judgment fundamentals (e.g. calling with his eyes not his heart), not simply instituting replays.
Doing replay is fine and sure it would correct this issue. But the over-riding concern I have is poor umpire judgment rather than simply getting a very, very close call correct; the true intention of instant replay. This was NOT the issue here. The Swisher play clearly indicated that by the entire Angel’s stadium verbal displeasure at that replay.
What we DO NOT need is KNEE JERK reactions to get instant replay in place without FIRST KNOWING if there are other systemic issues. The long-winded rant yesterday by someone who I shall not name is fine example of a knee jerk reaction that will, quite likely, not fix the real issue we’re discussing; poor umpire judgment.
An example I give is: You feel a vibration coming from your cars’ wheels while driving. After paying close attention for several days, it’s clearly speed related. You get all 4 tires replaced, problem goes away, great, right? Wrong. What was really wrong was a couple tires needed to be re-balanced. Sure replacing the tires fixed the issue. But the real issue was an imbalanced mount, not defective tires themselves. Here you spent $500 and a couple hours of your time instead of $75 and 30 minutes.
Just win the next game...!
I say...
…you give each manager one challenge per game to check on the video, and also have people upstairs that can intervene on plays from the 7th inning on and overrule on field calls if they see fit.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
That's along the lines of what I was thinking
Except I was thinking of 2 challenges per team, and a 5th ump in the booth upstairs making the calls from the 7th inning on. And, there’s no need to penalize for a failed challenge either because the ruling on the field standing is penalty enough.
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 22, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
What's so special about the 7th inning?
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
Way back at the top of the thread . . .
. . the point that IowaCubs made in defending his argument that hit home the hardest for me was this one:
The ump makes a call, the players and fans accept the call. 99% of the time the ump is right. That’s real baseball.
I have no way to verify the 99% of course, but I think this whole argument can’t simply be about ‘will instant replay help umpires miss fewer calls?’ There’s no real argument there. Of course it will. But that’s not the point for me. ‘Will improve the experience of the game?’ seems more appropriate. It seems like people want to change a game that I’ve loved for a long time, and make it more ‘modern’, more ‘technological’, and, in my opinion, less unique.
Before all the TV cameras and high def and technological wizardry, stuff like this must have happened all the time. ALL the time. We just didn’t know about it, and so we didn’t get up in arms about it on such a large scale. Now, we know about it, and we demand that it be fixed. How ‘21st-century-technology-fixes-everything’ of us. What other parts of this imperfect wonderful game should we fix? Some kind of camera that can show when the runner at second is stealing signs, because that’s not fair. Individual reviews of swings at some point, if you don’t feel either umpire got it right?
I realize those two examples (and others) seem a tad hyperbolic, and I understand that they are. I have no doubt that, taken to that extreme, a majority of people would argue those sorts of changes aren’t good for the game, they would take away from the feelings and the flow and whatever other emotional words you’d like to use. I guess I’m just a emotional guy, and I’m just jumping to that argument a little earlier, is all.
I think as technology moves in, things get…..maybe not worse, but certainly not better on the whole.
Of course, the Cubs haven’t lost a World Series based on one bad call, so maybe I’d sing a different tune then. But honestly, if that was the price to find out if I’m a hypocrite, I’m not sure I’d want to pay it. ;-)
Peace.
"From childhood's hour I have not been as others were - I have not seen as others saw." - Alone, Edgar Allan Poe
"Modern" and "technological" aren't the point.
The point is getting things right. Are missed calls human? Sure they are, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t fix them if we have the means to do so. Decades ago, we didn’t. Now we do.
I’m as traditionalist as they come, but replay is an idea whose time is now.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
It makes dollars and "sense"... ;)
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
agreed
too many are looking at it as if it is going to “punish” an ump so to speak when he is wrong, when actually it would be a reward for the player who was wronged. Humans are not perfect, and the time has come. Equipment (balls, bats, helmets, weightrooms, etc) have all benefitted from modern technology, why not let the game call benefit as well?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Not wanting to launch my remote at my TV
or yelling until I’m hoarse if I’m there live will drastically improve the experience for me.
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