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Congratulations, Phillies: ALCS Game 5 Preview, Thursday 10/22, 6:57 CT

In the last 30 years, the National League pennant had been won in consecutive years twice -- both times by the Braves, who won in 1991 and 1992, and then again in 1995 and 1996.

That is, until last night, when the Phillies won their second consecutive pennant. Congratulations to them, and unless the Angels can pull a comeback from their 3-1 deficit, I'll be rooting for them to beat the Yankees in the World Series.

Until recent years, comebacks from deficits like that in the postseason were rare. It happened only three times in the pre-divisional play era in the World Series (1925, 1958 and 1968) and twice in the WS since then (1979 and 1985).

Since the league championship series expanded to seven games in 1985, it's happened a bit more often, but still only six times: the 1985 ALCS, the 1986 ALCS, the 1996 NLCS, the 2004 ALCS where the Red Sox came back from 3-0 down, the only time that's ever been done, the 2007 ALCS, and some series in 2003 that we'd prefer to forget.

This year's Yankees, despite losing only 59 games, lost at least three in a row six different times. The Angels have their work cut out for them, but I hope they do it. It would make for some exciting baseball, not to mention avoiding a six-day gap before the World Series begins next Wednesday.

Some of you wondered whether signing Rudy Jaramillo as Cubs hitting coach meant anything regarding Milton Bradley, who had Jaramillo as his hitting coach in his single season in Texas. Bruce Miles says not necessarily:
When word got out that the Cubs wanted to hire Rudy Jaramillo as their hitting coach, people started putting 2 and 2 together.

The Cubs say it doesn't necessarily add up to what they think it does.

Cubs general manager Jim Hendry said Wednesday that Jaramillo's hiring is in no way connected to trying to mend fences with Bradley, whom Hendry is trying to trade.

"Obviously, hiring Rudy had nothing to do with that," Hendry said of possibly reconciling with Bradley. "Just like I told you at the end of the year, we play the cards that we have. Milton's on the Cubs roster. That's how we go about it until somebody's not on the roster. It certainly didn't have any connection. We could have had 20 different guys on our roster, and Rudy would still be sitting here to day as our No. 1 guy.

"We didn't talk about it at all in the interviewing process or over the phone over the weekend."

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Yankees at Angels, 6:57 pm CDT. Yankees lead series 3-1. TV: Fox. Announcers: Joe Buck and Tim McCarver.

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I'll be rooting for the Yankees

To please my son, a Yankee fan. That’s all.

by Fraggin Judge on Oct 22, 2009 11:16 AM CDT reply actions  

If your son where a Cardinal fan would you root for them to please him ?

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Oct 22, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

ooh! Outed!

Cubs Supreme in Baseball World.

by Emelie on Oct 22, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

My nephew is one

And my brother and sister in law are pretty big Cubs fans. Lucky ones too…or unlucky maybe…they got in for NLCS Cubs tickets in the lottery for the tickets last year. I don’t know where they went wrong, but I hope I don’t fail with my child like they did.

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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 22, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes but I don't root for them to please him.

In fact he was cut off from my Cub tickets for FIVE years after disregarding my rule that IF I let him use a Cub/Cardinal game the OTHER person ( preferabley my sister or father) had to be a Cub fan. He took his brother to a crucial game in 89 ( while I was in Europe) and no tickets for five years. Family thought I was being extreme , I thought I was being
VERY fair.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Oct 22, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, I know that.

I was just trying to see what kind of response you’d post.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Oct 22, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

David is basically a nice person other than that major flaw

I attribute it to growing up down state so an accident of birth kind of like being born out of wedlock as they used to say.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Oct 22, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

and yes, I have no kids. How could you tell? ;-)

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Oct 22, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I heard a teacher once warn the parents of freshmen in H.S

that teenagers will try to test you by doing things against everything you stand for. My kids fortunately know where to draw the line and remained Cub fans-actually I’ve been very lucky-they haven’t really tested me much at all in other regards either-knock on wood.

"Fasten those seatbelts"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Oct 22, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Children need boundaries

One of the hallmarks of adolescence is the pushing of those boundaries and seeing where they’ll give, giving the child a sense of individual freedom and autonomy from the parent. However, most kids know there are certain boundaries that you never push…

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Oct 22, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm rooting for the Phillies one way or another

I’d obviously rather see the Cubs on the verge of a dynasty like that, but the Phillies are at least likable. This is more than I can say about the Yankees, who will likely win out in the ALCS. The Phillies are going to be underdogs in the World Series, but I think they’re going to give the Yankees a rude awakening because that lineup is one huge minefield and the starting pitching matches up pretty well when you consider Lee, Hamels, Martinez and Blanton.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Oct 22, 2009 11:28 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm rooting for the Phillies too

because I only root for teams that play real baseball (meaning no DH).

"Fasten those seatbelts"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Oct 22, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have no problem with the DH

I’d rather see it applied throughout MLB than in just one league. Having one league with the benefit of the DH is rather stupid.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Oct 22, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're probably going to be real unhappy...

… when the next labor agreement is negotiated. I fully expect that having the DH in the NL will be a bargaining chip used by owners.

I don’t like the DH either, but it seems silly to have it in one league and not in the other.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Oct 22, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

IMHO

The NL should have gotten the DH years ago. The fact that they didn’t before the dissolution of the NL Presidency was a significant drop of the ball. Like it or not, the DH has been a huge factor in AL dominance. It gives you an option of what to do with that slugger that just can’t seem to defend well anymore or just defends poorly. I’d rather see that sort of player hit than watch a pitcher flail away in an at bat. It’s exciting when a pitcher gets a hit or a home run, but I’d rather have a DH.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Oct 22, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've always felt that line about "pitcher flailing away"...

misses the point (I’m not singling you out here Ace; I hear people use that phrasing or equivalent all the time). People who are opposed to the DH aren’t usually of that mind because they like seeing pitchers hit in and of itself. I think it’s more about the added strategic elements that having a pitcher in the lineup forces on gameplay.

Having a DH makes baseball too much like a video game lineup; which is to say boring and one dimensional. Having pitchers bat emphasizes the nature of baseball as being as much as an intellectual sport as a physical one.

Granted, there is a purist argument that baseball is a 9 vs 9 game and should remain so, but really that went out the window with the inclusion of relief pitchers coming from off-field anyway…

Anyway, I will always remain of the mind that the DH is a travesty done for marketing purposes, not for the integrity of the game. I hope with all my heart that we don’t ever find that mistake forced upon the senior league as well.

by CubsWin!Oregon on Oct 22, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

The pros to the DH still outweigh the cons to the DH

You don’t send your center to kick a field goal. Why on earth would you want a pitcher to hit? They don’t get enough time in the batting cage as it is. That ninth hitter in the lineup instead of a pitcher in the number nine spot gives you a better chance to produce runs than having a pitcher hit.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Oct 22, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

What kind of argument is that?

Of course you don’t send your center in to kick a field goal. You don’t send your shortstop to pitch. And you don’t send your left-fielder to cover first base either. That’s because everyone has a specific job to do. But everyone gets to bat. What’s so hard to understand about that?

If you want a better chance to produce runs, then why not just go with a batting order of Dome, Riot, Lee, Ramirez, Baker, Dome, Riot, Lee, Ramirez?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Oct 22, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or why not just have a DH hit for the pitcher?

The argument is about specialization, though not to the extreme that football does it. Pitchers don’t spend a lot of time in the batting cage and their time is better spent doing what they do best and that’s pitching. You wouldn’t have to pull them out of games early even though they are mowing down batters just because you need to get that extra run across the plate. You don’t have to hold your breath wondering if they’re going to get injured running the bases.

So what kind of argument is it? It’s all about using the best guy for the job. Why do you burn through pinch hitters rather than letting relievers hit? Because a pinch hitter has a better chance of getting on base than that pitcher. I don’t really understand the hatred for the DH because the AL handles it just fine and has its run of dominance in recent years to show for it.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Oct 22, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Amen

Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -

by eths on Oct 23, 2009 2:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

rec'd

"Fasten those seatbelts"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Oct 23, 2009 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

green for you

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on Oct 23, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree.

And yes, for me “it’s more about the strategic elements that having a pitcher in the lineup forces on gameplay.”

"Fasten those seatbelts"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Oct 23, 2009 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Have to rec this as well.

In the NL, fans have to be worried about how to manage the 25 man roster, the season of Aaron Miles, other positions a player can fill when needed.

In the AL, a team can have 3 Micah Hoffpauir’s without penalty. Start one at first, one at DH and rest the other. Hell the biggest lineup drama of the White Sox has been getting DH time for Konerko, Thome, Swisher, Dye, Quentin, Rios, & Crede time at DH.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on Oct 23, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

recd

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 23, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

What do think are the chances...

….of the NL adopting the DH in the forseeable future?

"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie"

by calicubfan on Oct 22, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

When the labor agreement is up...

… I’d say it’s better than 50-50, which would mean for the 2012 season.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Oct 22, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I personally hope not.

Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -

by eths on Oct 23, 2009 2:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think that would be a sad day indeed.

“I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing AstroTurf and the designated hitter.”-Crash Davis

"Fasten those seatbelts"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Oct 23, 2009 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Technically, the NL can't adopt the DH

The NL and AL are both under the office of Bud Selig since he elminated the league presidencies.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Oct 22, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, then...

… the “National Baseball Conference” or whatever you want to call the NL, can adopt it. There are two different rule structures.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Oct 22, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

It would be long overdue

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Oct 22, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are darn right I'd be unhappy.

If it’s silly to have it in one league, but not the other-why have different leagues?

"Fasten those seatbelts"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Oct 23, 2009 7:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm rooting for the Phillies too, because:

1) I was born in Philadelphia. We moved to Chicago when I was 8 months old.

2) The only guy that I know here in Germany with whom I can on occasion watch a game with, is from Philadelphia.

But in reality, I just sit there and imagine that the red uniforms are Cubs blue and that …. ::dream::

Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -

by eths on Oct 23, 2009 2:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Considering the large number of ex Cubs on the Phillies

that should not be so hard.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Oct 23, 2009 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

I've learned to respect the Phillies after watching them the last few years.

They just don’t give away at bats. From Rollins on down, there really isn’t a guy who is an “easy” out (maybe Ruiz). And they find ways to win games they have no business winning, to boot.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Bill Potter on Oct 22, 2009 11:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Living an hour from Philly

I get enough Philly stuff to wear you out. However this team is a fun team to watch. They work hard, no BS, great defense, and a tough lineup. The issue I see is that Lee has struggle against the Yanks and he is key for the Phils to win. Lidge still needs to be great late, but I think the key to the series is the Phillies starters.
 I hope to hell they beat the Yanks.

by Grockcubs on Oct 22, 2009 11:58 AM CDT reply actions  

I normally don't cheer for World Series repeats.

This is going to be an outlier of that idea. I am going to be cheering for Philadelphia this time, unless the Angels pull off a miracle.

If the Angels make it somehow, I will cheer for them. Anyone who knocks out the Red Sox and Yankees in the playoffs has my loyalty in the World Series.

Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy, and taste good with ketchup!

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 22, 2009 11:58 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

+1

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Oct 22, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

+110

plus a million im so sick of the red sox and yankees.

Thank you to all who have offered prayers when I made mention. My nephew Nathan Allan Cubtoseriesby100 was born on Thursday and at his size starts on the O line fot the Bears; 9 lbs 10 ounces and 22 inches!

by puckishcubsfan on Oct 22, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh my God...

what if they can’t trade Bradley?

Also, WAR PHILLIES~!

www.facebook.com/craighudak

by Craig in South Bend on Oct 22, 2009 12:02 PM CDT reply actions  

There are lots of jobs around the ballpark that need doing every day.

Milt’s an employee. Just like Prior. They do what they are told.

Imagine him raking the infield, watering the grass, keeping rats away from Ozzie Guillen, cleaning up rows of trash after a game, washing down the sidewalks in the morning around the ballpark, trimming the ivy, emptying greasetraps, cleaning the bathrooms, stocking concessions, catching concrete chunks as the fall from the upper deck, emptying the dugout spittoons, working in the ticket office, checking fan’s bags as they come into the ballpark, selling beer, playing the organ, working up in the scoreboard, selling programs, being “row security” in the bleachers, running a camera, or my favorite:
Working as the Cub’s representative in the umpires’ dressing room.

You know, a “hospitality” position. He’s a “people” person. He’d be GREAT. For the NEXT TWO YEARS.

Don’cha think?

"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)

Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...

by Zeke on Oct 22, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dude, if I liked racism conspiracies

and hearing about them from MB, I’d be all over that.

www.facebook.com/craighudak

by Craig in South Bend on Oct 22, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Craig, that was NOT my intent. AT ALL.

Sorry you took it that way.

"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)

Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...

by Zeke on Oct 22, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure, but I think he means

that he likes your idea only he’s afraid MB would say it’s racism.

"Fasten those seatbelts"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Oct 22, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah, now I see.

Gotcha…

"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)

Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...

by Zeke on Oct 22, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Again, I'm not sure.

That was how I took it. Oh and I liked the idea, especially the keeping the rats away from Ozzie. LOL

"Fasten those seatbelts"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Oct 22, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, I was being facetious

but whatever. Do we have a facetious sign to go with the sarcasm one? I suppose the sarcasm one is all encompasing…

www.facebook.com/craighudak

by Craig in South Bend on Oct 22, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

No worries.

"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)

Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...

by Zeke on Oct 22, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey!

Leave me out of this.

by Employee22 on Oct 22, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

That would be interesting.

I can’t imagine the media firestorm that would engulf the team if he’s starting games in 2010. The fans and media response would be relentless, unfortunately, so they’d have to keep around until a trade came through but not play him, or just play him in road games. I don’t think any of that’s going to happen.

by DudeVf11 on Oct 22, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hendry said this?

Obviously, hiring Rudy had nothing to do with that.

“Obviously” Jim, it WASN’T obvious if so many people wondered about it. Geez.

"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)

Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...

by Zeke on Oct 22, 2009 12:23 PM CDT reply actions  

That's just Hendry...

…doing the political talk, which he is good at.

I’d just wish he would be more straight forward and not try to talk around questions like he has a habit of doing. All he had to say is “hiring this guy has nothing to do with any one player on our club, it is about making the entire team better”

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 22, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Plain speaking? That's just CRAZY talk!

"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)

Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...

by Zeke on Oct 22, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe

Maybe its obviously hiring Rudy had nothing to do with the fact that Bradley is getting shipped out of town and we have moved so far past thinking about him that it was never a consideration to the hiring of a good hitting coach.

by KyCubsFan on Oct 22, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

TODAY IS INTERNATIONAL CAPS LOCK DAY!

WOOOO HOOO!!

IM POSTING TONIGHT’S ENTIRE GAME THREAD IN CAPS LOCK!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caps_lock

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Oct 22, 2009 4:04 PM CDT reply actions  

GO ERIC!!

IT’S YOUR BIRTHDAY!!!

"Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things." ~Winston Churchill

by Goodie1969 on Oct 22, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Go Phillies

Go Phillies even if it’s completely unfair when the Cubs or Bears are winning we get Jim Belushi representing us and when the Phillies win they get my man David Boreanaz.

And for 2 weeks Tim and Joe instead of B&B at 7 on thursday. Maybe even 3 weeks. That should be criminal. Games should not be played on Thursday nights. Or start after 8.

I for some reason always liked the Phillies. They were always a team I liked even as a kid. It’s kind of like I always liked the Steelers in football. Of course I’m a Cubs and Bears fan first.

Thank you to all who have offered prayers when I made mention. My nephew Nathan Allan Cubtoseriesby100 was born on Thursday and at his size starts on the O line fot the Bears; 9 lbs 10 ounces and 22 inches!

by puckishcubsfan on Oct 22, 2009 4:15 PM CDT reply actions  

A fun thread

A fun boring offseason day thread might be who are teams you respect and/or like more than others but still less than the Cubs.

We’ve done the favorite non Cubs thread and that was always fun. That could be a combined thread. A new one with the newcomers to participate in.

Thank you to all who have offered prayers when I made mention. My nephew Nathan Allan Cubtoseriesby100 was born on Thursday and at his size starts on the O line fot the Bears; 9 lbs 10 ounces and 22 inches!

by puckishcubsfan on Oct 22, 2009 4:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Rudy Jaramillo suggests the door is not closed with Milton Bradley

On the drive home I tuned into Boers and Bernstein’s at length interview with Rudy J. He’s an impressive guy, no doubt about it. But what I thought was most interesting of all was his direct answer to a direct question of whether he wants Milton back. And it sure sounds as though he does. Milton and Rudy connected well in 2008.

Also, Rudy preached accountability, accountability, accountability. And how one size does not fit all when it comes to helping out hitters.

And by the way, he loves the walk. Went on to say the Rangers led the league in pitches seen in 2009 and that you need a mix of table setters and run producers to be successful. And that he has no tolerance for failure to execute.

"Cubs will win 79 to 83 games." BLou (7/21/09)

by BLou on Oct 22, 2009 6:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Whether Rudy wants Milton back or not is irrelevant.

The GM wants him gone, so he’ll be gone.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Oct 22, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

And that's all that matters

At least Hendry is admitting a mistake, though it is a bit expensive.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Oct 22, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

$20 million is an awful lot to eat

I want Bradley GONE. But I am starting to believe he will be back.

One trade that makes sense???

Gary Matthews Jr. has $20 million left on his very bad contract. That’s the same amount owed Bradley. Matthews thrived under Rudy J in 2006 and is a solid defensive centerfielder. Which enables Kosuke to move to right where he is best suited.

A salary swap. Pure and simple.

"Cubs will win 79 to 83 games." BLou (7/21/09)

by BLou on Oct 22, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jim will eat the contract before he lets him come back

One way or another, Bradley will not be on the field for the Cubs in 2010. That would be $20 million well spent.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Oct 22, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice start for the Angels 3-0

With no outs yet.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Oct 22, 2009 7:17 PM CDT reply actions  

make that 4-0 with no outs

Wonder how long A.J will last.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Oct 22, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess they didn't hear that they were supposed to roll over for this game

So the Yankees could be nice and rested for the WS

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Oct 22, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, that's an example of overmanaging

Lackey wanted to stay in the game and now it’s a one run game rather than a four run game. Good job.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Oct 22, 2009 9:13 PM CDT reply actions  

An example

Of how piss poor umpiring has yet again helped the skankees! Blatantly obvious all playoffs long!

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Oct 22, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well that too

I hope the Phils destroy the Evil Empire.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Oct 22, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

runner on 2nd 1 out..

Lackey paints a fastball on the inner part of the late for strike 3! Nope it was called ball 4 and it was the end of Lackey! No way in hell it could be called any thing other than a strike.

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Oct 22, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know

But they have had the benefit of every call!

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Oct 22, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lackey was pretty pissed off too

I can’t blame him for that. That was a strike.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Oct 22, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

And there goes the lead

Nice job, Mike Scioscia. Lackey could have gotten out of the inning.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Oct 22, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe if the fastball right down the pipe gets called!!

But hey Bud wants Yankees in the Series for Ratings and money and his Umps are gonna make sure he gets it!

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Oct 22, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Selig is a boob

But even I don’t think he’d go as far as rigging baseball considering how hard he worked to get steroid usage penalized.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Oct 22, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

That Mauer call....

Convinced me and it has been obvious all postseason long! That’s my belief and I cannot be convinced otherwise!

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Oct 22, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Yankees have been getting the benefit of these bad calls quite a bit lately

I have to admit that it looks suspicious. Maybe send a letter to Bud about it saying you’re on to the conspiracy?

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Oct 22, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Umps Call

Do you really think in the heat of the moment an ump decides shit if i call this a ball then the angels are screwed?

by KyCubsFan on Oct 22, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

After the obvious Mauer call

Yes I think there’s something fishy but the way their calling ballgames in the yankees favor over and over and over.

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Oct 22, 2009 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

about

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Oct 22, 2009 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lackey was gassed

and the blown call got into his head, he should have been pulled!

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Oct 22, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

He did get the second out

Apparently, he got over it. I think the score now tells you everything you need to know. You’ve got to trust the starter sometimes.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Oct 22, 2009 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hindsight is always 20/20

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Oct 22, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would tattoo

A big red Cardinal on my forehead if I knew I wouldn’t have to see the Yankees ever win again!

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Oct 22, 2009 9:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Isn't it funny?

Just about everyone who isn’t a Yankees fan hates the Yankees. I’d love to see what that team would do if a salary cap was imposed.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Oct 22, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

They'd probably siphon extra cash through third parties

That’s how the elite teams get away with it in Australian sports.

by AussieCub on Oct 22, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

win

cano, posada, jeter, mariano, hughes, chamberlin all brought up through the system.

compare that with the cubs theriot, fotenot, z, soto,

by KyCubsFan on Oct 22, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

what about

Choi=Lee

Bobby hill=Ramirez

How about Randy Wells?

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Oct 22, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

fire sales

lee = marlins fire sale
ramirez = pirates fire sale

wells i should have included.

I guess my point should have been we spend a lot of damn money too they just do it smarter sometimes and also resign there own where as we are consistently trying to sign people to improve. They have the choice to pay a guy for 3 good years and then pay a guy (maybe same maybe different) for 3 more.

Looking forward to new forward thinking ownership and other teams bitching about our endless spending and playoff world series success!!!!!!

by KyCubsFan on Oct 22, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Joba

Looked good blowing the lead!

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Oct 22, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I meant Hughes sry!

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Oct 22, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just a few more Cubs brought through the system

Wells, Marshall, Guzman, Marmol oh and of course Fuld .

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Oct 23, 2009 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know you gotta hate the Yankees

But I’m pretty excited to see the two unquestionably dominant sides of the playoffs come head to head.

I really reckon the Phillies are gonna pip them.

by AussieCub on Oct 22, 2009 9:26 PM CDT reply actions  

I cansay wholeheartedly now...

I want no part of Chone Figgins

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Oct 22, 2009 9:28 PM CDT reply actions  

His .180 career avg

In the playoffs for starters. His health risk coupled with the length of years/money he reportedly will ask for/get!

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Oct 22, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

I reckon he’s too old and in decline, had no idea of his playoff avg.

by AussieCub on Oct 22, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hit a Long one Angels!!!

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Oct 22, 2009 9:30 PM CDT reply actions  

c'mon Morales

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Oct 22, 2009 9:45 PM CDT reply actions  

yesssssssssssssssssssssss

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Oct 22, 2009 9:46 PM CDT reply actions  

The way it should be

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Oct 22, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Darrin Oliver

When Darrin Oliver came in i couldn’t help but thinking of Donnie Moore. Let’s hope for better Angels results.

by KyCubsFan on Oct 22, 2009 9:53 PM CDT reply actions  

if you're gonna intentionally walk A-Rod, why not just hit him with one pitch?

Save three pitches worth of wear and tear on the arm and earn the love and adoration of millions of baseball fans across 99% of America.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Oct 22, 2009 10:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Scioscia is almost Dusty-like in his refusal to go to the mound...

I wouldn’t pull Fuentes, but sheesh… go out and tell him a joke or something…

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Oct 22, 2009 10:28 PM CDT reply actions  

knock knock!

Change is inevitable; progress is optional.

by Devin B on Oct 22, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

see ya

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Oct 22, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

see ya who?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Oct 22, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Except for the intentional walk,

That at least is not something Lou would do.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Oct 22, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

The owner of the Dodgers has fired his wife from the team.

LINK

Okay, I know they are estranged, but this is one of the most bizarre stories I have seen regarding baseball in a while.

Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy, and taste good with ketchup!

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 23, 2009 1:02 AM CDT reply actions  

phillies

looks like scott eyre has done pretty good for himself. traded from the 08 cubs with the best record to 2 pennant winners. not bad

by NOMAR on Oct 24, 2009 7:01 AM CDT reply actions  

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