What do you guys think of Johnny Damon?
by Mulhollandmania on Oct 22, 2009 9:20 PM CDT
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Think he's worth a one or two year deal if we can get him for that price?
I don't think the guy is gonna set the world on fire, but is it worth a shot? I also know he would have to play CF, and I don't really know if I'm alright with that, I just thought I would throw that idea out there and see what everyone thought. So, your thoughts, guys?
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I liked him better with the beard.
Inspector #23 certifies that the above post is sarcasm free, most certainly not what she said, and chock full of intangibles, although regressing to the intangible mean, as you'd expect.
by DGU on Oct 22, 2009 9:25 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
He did look better with a beard.
But if you think Phonsi turned alot of singles into doubles, you want no part in this guy. Runners actually outrun his throw to home, on the second or third hop.
Too old
Soriano comes back healthy next year (fingers crossing), but, he never covered much ground. Getting Fukudome back to right, and upgrading in CF is a big priority. Damon in the outfield doesn’t get that done.
He's got...
A hell of a lot more power and run production than Pierre.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Oct 23, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
He won't be going to the Cubs
He’ll go wherever the $$$$ are the most and I don’t think Cubs have that sort of payroll for him.
No
He’s old and not a CF’er anymore. He might even lose to Jacque Jones in a OF throwing contest.
by rlpete on Oct 22, 2009 10:41 PM CDT reply actions 6 recs
rec'd
he plays left now, doesn’t he?
by doofus cubs guy on Oct 23, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
One of my all time favorite signs at a game
Damon’s first game back in Boston had a big very well made/drawn sign with a image of Damon that read
“Looks like Jesus, throws like Mary, acts like Judas”
No thanks he is way past his prime. I am sure Boras will sell him as the second coming of Willie Mays.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 22, 2009 10:48 PM CDT reply actions
VERY WELL SAID.....
This is the real Johnny Damon….Cubs want no part of him,,,,,
If you could give me Johnny Damon's bat
and someone else’s defense, sure I’d ponder it. But what he is now, I’m just not sure he fits the Cubs needs for 2010.
Personally, I think the Yankees offer him arb and he picks up the 1 year deal and sticks around, potentially retiring after 2010.
What do I think about him?
He’s got a great head of hair, and a pretty hot wife. I’m sure he’s a good guy too, having the name Damon, and all.
That didn't help this putz...
"Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things." ~Winston Churchill
Actually, I'm something of a fan...
Now his buddy Ben on the other hand, well….
And honestly, I don’t think his wife is all that attractive.
by Damen Jackson on Oct 23, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes thats what we need more old and overpriced outfielders
no thanks. Maybe 5 years ago but not now.
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
If we want an old outfielder that can't throw or play CF-worthy defense anymore...
…might as well just sign Pods.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
+1
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
WHOA
Interesting…
I don’t know if Johnny would be the BEST option, but I do believe he is a BETTER option than what we have going. (As long as it is a 1-2 year deal)
If the Cubs go get any “star” player, there is going to be one question they are asked now after the whole Milton-show… “Can they handle it in Chicago?”
I don’t think Johnny will have any problems with Chicago… not after being in Boston and New York. So, this goes in his favor.
I think he is still a decent player on the field, and a good player in the dugout. This also is in his favor.
He has a ton of playoff experience…
If the Cubs CAN’T get anyone better, I would love for Johnny Damon to be our CF-RF next season rather than what he had there this…
He has never had the arm to play right field
"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill
So?
I dunno if we’ve had a good arm out there on a regular basis since Andre Dawson….
by TheHawkRules on Oct 24, 2009 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions
an outfield consisting of soriano fukudome in center and damon is a disaster
"hey
by jesus christos on Oct 24, 2009 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Dunno...
… if it would be any worse than what it was. I think it was be better…
by TheHawkRules on Oct 25, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Naked Pushups in the Cubs Locker Room?
Got this from Johnny’s wiki page…
“He has also said: “I do naked pull-ups” moments before game time in the team’s locker room." Damon also went on to say that he really enjoys being naked in the locker room and that his teammates find it to be no big deal."
Do you think the Cubs locker room will find this more pleasent than Milton’s verbal happy-dance?
I THINK HE SUCKS
He’s Juan Pierre with a hotter wife.
He IS WAY WORSE THAN JUAN PIERRE IN THE OUTFIELD…HE HAS A -6.7 UZR/150, JUAN PIERRE HAS A 5.2 UZR/150.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
yabbut...
…what if his wife does the naked pull-ups in the locker room?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I don't get to the locker room.
If we’re discussing the concourse, then there may be a discussion.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
the players would never get to the field in time
for the game. We’d have a bunch of forfeits.
I would rather shoot my left testicle off
than see Johnny Damon here.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Does Mrs. Worf have a vote on that ?
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 23, 2009 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions
She's recovering from a C-section
she really has no interest in any of my equipment at this point
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Well that explains all that "redirected" energy
you put into your BCB posts.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 23, 2009 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Put it this way...
BLou is looking good to me.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Oct 23, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That would make a good sig line!
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
wowsers
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
I'll add my "no" to the chorus.
He had a good year, and that will likely have teams lined up to overpay for him; he will be 36 next month. He’s just about ready to enter some steep decline years. Let someone else pay for those.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Couldn't have said it better myself
Great player, pretty solid career, possibly a HOF’er, but too old and defense is not equipped for Wrigley
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
According to Bill James Favorite Toy
Projected Stats:
Hits: 2,986 (44% chance at 3,000)
Doubles: 559 (23% chance at 600)
Triples: 109 (43% chance at 110)
Home Runs: 272 (21% chance at 300)
Stolen Bases: 466 (23% chance at 500)
I won’t show the predictions of runs scored or runs batted in because those are team related factors. If he gets to 3,000 hits, he’ll garner Hall of Fame consideration. If he doesn’t, he’d have a strong uphill climb even if he meets the projected numbers. It’s amazing how many cases suddenly look better if the person has 3,000 hits. There’s enough variation to consider the possibility that Johnny Damon could get to 3,000 hits and no one who ever got to 3,000 hits has ever been kept out of Cooperstown (Palmeiro hasn’t hit the ballots yet). He’s going to finish with more than 1,500 runs scored and over 1,000 RBI and combined with the possibility of 3,000 hits, Damon would eventually get into Cooperstown.
Does that mean I think the Cubs should take a chance on him? Not at all. He can go milestone chasing with another team that would not mind having a player like Damon on the roster.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
I have a hard time imagining Damon being a better overall option
than a Fuld/Johnson platoon. The home/away power splits have me wondering how much the new Yankee Stadium is hiding his decline. Given the probable cost in dollars and that the Cubs don’t need a RF or LF, I guess I don’t understand the discussion of Damon.
I guess if the plan is to find a way to trade Soriano, Bradley & Fukudome somehow one for one for the entire 1999 Royals starting outfield of Damon, Beltran & Dye without incurring more cost, then there’s a conversation to have.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
Damon would be ideal for a team that had a DH
I just don’t think there is any way he can play OF for us given we already have a LF and Scott Boras is going to ask for an arm and a leg.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Not just no,
but hell no.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Oct 23, 2009 10:06 AM CDT reply actions
Damon is going to end up somewhere
He’s still productive even though his outfield skills are in decline. He still has an outside shot at 3,000 hits, which is enough incentive for some people to continue. He can still DH and AL teams could do worse than Damon when it comes to a DH.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
So what? As long as it isn't with the Cubs
He is a huge defensive liability so he has nothing to offer the Cubs, that’s the point.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Oct 23, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
I never said I wanted him to play for the Cubs
Damon can still contribute with his bat, which is enough for some teams who might want to take a chance on him. The Cubs have no room for Damon in the outfield, so even without considering his defensive liabilities, there’s no chance. Now some NL team might be crazy enough to try to convert him to a first baseman, but I see him staying in the AL so he can DH.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
Never said you did
I was just expressing my opinion that Damon would not help the Cubs
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Oct 24, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions
pass
because of the effect on our outfield defense, and the likely price tag.
The Cubs...
…don’t need more aging players on the downside right now, and especially those who will probably be overpaid.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Except that Mike Cameron on a one-year deal or low-cost two-year deal would make sense.
The only reason he’s not perfect is that he strikes out from the right-handed batters’ box.
Inspector #23 certifies that the above post is sarcasm free, most certainly not what she said, and chock full of intangibles, although regressing to the intangible mean, as you'd expect.
Damon needs to stay in the AL
He’ll probably put up productive numbers next year wherever he goes, if he can stay healthy, but heavy decline seems to be his future.
Pass.
"I'd rather hit home runs you don't have to run as hard." -- Dave Kingman
by BucknerKongCardenal on Oct 23, 2009 4:57 PM CDT reply actions
if we passed on Dunn and if 1 % was for defensive reasons
then why sign Damon now? Dunn would have been a better signing, defensive liability and al.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
NO
The Cubs need to shed their extreme addiction to free agency. We need another 30-something very expensive free agent like we need a hole in the head.
"Cubs will win 79 to 83 games." BLou (7/21/09)
Because spending loads of money didn't get the Yankees the pennant, right?
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
If only we had acted like the Hendry-haters say he acted.
We would have traded Geovany Soto in a deal for Roy Halladay and outbid the Yankees for Jorge Posada. Instead we stuck with the home-grown talent. We would have kept Mark DeRosa, just as a backup, signed Orlandon Hudson, and traded Mike Fontenot, Felix Pie, and Josh Vitters for Matt Holliday. Instead, we cleared DeRosa to make room for more home-grown talent. When Bobby Abreu found no market for himself, instead of leaving a backup space for Micah Hoffpauir, we would have signed Abreu, too. But, no, we wanted to give Hoffpauir his shot.
If only we actually had an extreme addiction to free agency…
Inspector #23 certifies that the above post is sarcasm free, most certainly not what she said, and chock full of intangibles, although regressing to the intangible mean, as you'd expect.
I think we would all agree...
…the Yankees are pretty much in a league of their own when it comes to how much money they can spend, and therefore can make more mistakes and get away with it. You then have the next tier down (Cubs, Red Sox, Met’s etc.) who have enough revenues to spend big bucks, but can’t afford to make a lot of mistakes either (especially when you factor in no-trades, and long term deals).
If you look at all the other teams (besides the Yankees), no one else has been able to sustain winning on a consistant basis without a core foundation of everyday players from their farm (and even the Yankees started to get beat in the playoffs when their farm core started to age).
If you have the money, spend it by all means, but it can set you back if enough mistakes are made that end up hand cuffing you for a while.
Ricketts is coming in here with 500 mil in debt, so I highly doubt his thought process is going to be to spend through previous mistakes. He will probably want the baseball operations to focus on getting better production out of a payroll that is top 3-4 in baseball, I would think.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Oct 26, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Products of the Yankee farm system
Jeter, Cano, Posada, Cabrera, Pettitte, Rivera, Chamberlain, Hughes, Aceves, Coke…that’s three Hall of Famers in waiting, two highly gifted young pitcher and one of the best young 2nd baseman in the game who is fresh off a 200 hit, 100 run, 80 RBI season.
Products of the Yankee farm system that were traded away for other valuable parts…Mike Lowell, Nick Johnson, Eric Milton, Ohlendorf, Jose Tabata, Alfonso Soriano…to name a few top of mind
Waiting in the wings….Austin Jackson, the hotshot young catcher who has been ranked in the top 5 overall in baseball but I forget his name
So don’t for a minute think the Yankee success of the past 15 years hasn’t been hugely impacted by a high quality farm system and major focus on player development.
"Cubs will win 79 to 83 games." BLou (7/21/09)
The Yankees combine player development and huge free agent signings really well.
We don’t do either as well as them. I don’t think the problem with the Cubs is exclusively development or free agency, just a little bit of both.
Soriano's valuable?
You mean he doesn’t just drop fly balls and strike out?
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Oct 27, 2009 7:27 AM CDT up reply actions
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