Let's Try This Again: ALCS Game 6 Preview, Angels vs. Yankees, Sunday 10/25, 7:20 CT
by Al on Oct 25, 2009 12:00 PM CDT
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Partly because they each swept their division series, the Yankees and the Angels have played just eight games in 20 days since the end of the regular season. In a session with Los Angeles-area writers on Saturday, Angels Manager Mike Scioscia made his feelings clear.
"Ridiculous," Scioscia said. "I don’t know. Can I say it any clearer than that? We should have never had a day off last Wednesday. We should never have three days off after the season. You shouldn’t even have two days off after the season.
"It just takes an advantage away for a deep team, which everybody feels very strongly is an asset. It takes that advantage away and I think that’s something that Major League Baseball hopefully will consider looking at."
Exactly correct, in my view. Don't blame the extra round of playoffs due to the wild card being added starting in 1995 -- in 2002, the last time we had a seven-game World Series, Game Seven took place on October 27, which is a full nine days earlier than a Game Seven will happen this year. That is, if we don't have any more rainouts. The 2002 postseason took 24 days (October 3-27). The 2009 postseason, if it goes its entire length (meaning, a seven-game World Series), will encompass 29 days, with multiple off days in various series, not to mention the postponements we've already had. TV is the reason -- Fox and TBS were able to get the dates spread out in order to not have any games head-to-head in the early rounds, and as few games as possible in the daytime in the LCS round.
That's not a good enough reason. Mike Scioscia is right. If anyone can wake Bud Selig up, let's fix this before the 2010 postseason. Here's more from Jeff Passan and Gordon Edes on this topic.
Oh, and if you're a Yankees and New York Giants fan? Better have multiple TVs available today, as Ed Valentine points out at Pinstripe Alley.
Angels at Yankees, 7:20 pm CDT. Yankees lead series 3-2. TV: Fox. Announcers: Joe Buck and Tim McCarver.
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Make the division series 7 games instead of 5 and cut out the off days.
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
by ronsanto10 on Oct 25, 2009 12:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That would still make it take as long as it does now.
… because you’d have to have at least one more off day (travel day) for a 7-game series, plus another day off in between the series.
More games isn’t the answer.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Oct 25, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why not just start the season a week earlier?
by elgato on Oct 25, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
An earlier start could lead to many posponed games too.
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
by eths on Oct 25, 2009 1:57 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
If they had started the season a week earlier this year...
… it would have begun on March 29.
So, for an example, take the last week of the Cubs’ schedule and move it to the week of March 29. The high temperatures that week were: 41, 43, 53, 54, 55, 50 and 48, and there was measurable rain on 4 of the 7 days.
Yeah, that’d have been a lot better.
There’s much more of a chance of having better weather in October than in late March/early April.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Oct 25, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We've all missed the obvious answer here Al.
All Bud & MLB needs to do is schedule the playoffs in a day/night double header formula for games 1 & 2 and games 3 & 4.
Even if you get rained out, you were no worse off than you were before.
(Now, where is my “sarcasm” font…?)
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
by Zeke on Oct 26, 2009 6:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They could even do triple, quadrupule, etc. headers!
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
by eths on Oct 26, 2009 6:44 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Baseball 24/7. One hour to clear the stadium and load in the next crowd.
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
by Zeke on Oct 26, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the entire playoffs in a maximum of a 120 hours....
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
by eths on Oct 26, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like lighting one cigarette off the previous one.
Chain-baseball…
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
by Zeke on Oct 26, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scrap the DS and CS entirely
It goes against decades of baseball tradition, but I’d scrap the Division Series and Championship Series entirely.
Instead, I’d replace them with a round-robin format. Each team plays a three game series against the other three teams in their league in the post-season. Home field in each series is determined by who has the best regular season record unless one of the teams was the Wild Card team, who automatically is always the away team. The team in each league with the best record in the nine post-season games advances to the World Series.
It’s a win-win. The television networks get a post-season that’s more predictable. (They also get more games). The teams in the post-season get more revenue, because they’ll have more gate receipts and more concessions because they’re playing more games. The fans get a shorter (in days) post-season, because the round-robin games should take no more than 14 days from start to finish (and that’s including a possible one-game playoff if there’s a tie at the top of the standings).
Yes, it’s antithetical to baseball tradition. But is it any worse than what we have now?
by allyngibson on Oct 25, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would never work, because...
… you’d have false drama. A team could back in to the WS by having another team beat its nearest opponent for “best record” over the nine games.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Oct 25, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure what you mean by "false drama"...
but I don’t see why that would be so bad. Back in the day you could win the pennant by losing and having the 2nd place team lose. Personally I think the round-robin format is more exciting (and certainly more fair) than a best-of series. I think the pros – having a set number of games, each team having more postseason games and thus more revenue, lack of off-days, shorter postseason, rewarding teams with depth – far outweigh the cons – lack of tradition, et. al.
I would actually propose one more change – scrap the divisional structure. Just have two leagues of 14 teams and 16 teams with a balanced schedule (it doesn’t work out perfectly, but you can get it pretty close) and have the top four teams in the league make the playoffs. This way junk like the Twins making the playoffs instead of the Rays doesn’t happen.
by cubsforever on Oct 26, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is it exciting....
… to have a team make the World Series by sitting around while someone else loses?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Oct 26, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, it's not.
But they would have to win a number of games to put themselves in that position. It’s not like you could win the pennant with a 1-8 record in round-robin play.
by cubsforever on Oct 26, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing personal...
… I think it would be confusing, and wind up with a lot of “winner-losers”.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Oct 26, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another Selig post, great. Argh, please retire/get fired.
The purpose of setting these TV times is to make the game more accessible to the audience, no? This isn’t the case, however. It alienates fans that can’t stay up on the east coast, lose interest from a playoff season that stretches over three different months, and like it’s been noted above, defeats the purpose of creating a strong bench or bullpen.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Oct 25, 2009 1:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
can someone tell me....
….when and how does MLB get rid of their commish? Is it like the Pope deal or something?
by cooliogirl47 on Oct 25, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's a BCB Poll.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Oct 25, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted for "Anyone but Bud"
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Oct 25, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked Bud Abbott...
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
by Zeke on Oct 26, 2009 6:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'd be great if you'd like to know "who's on first."
As for who is playing shortshop-I don’t give a darn.
"Fasten those seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Oct 26, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why can't the LCS games start as soon as the LDS games are over (after a day off for travel)
And the WS games start as soon as the LCS games are over – again allowing for travel.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Oct 25, 2009 2:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
But the hotel rooms! The hotel rooms!
Got to have the hotel rooms booked!
Never mind that the NHL and NBA figure this out. Too much trouble for Bud.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Oct 25, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
are there hard dates for games?
ie, if the LCS’s were both sweeps, they couldn’t move the WS up? I agree with Scioscia, this is INSANE. NBA is bad enough, but the weather HAS to be taken into consideration. Why not start the season earlier / make all the week 1&2 games either be indoors or down south / and, yes, compress the series’s. they should make it so that the WS MUST end by October 17 or so.
by cubsgocubs on Oct 25, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As of now, there ARE scheduled dates for games...
… in the LCS and WS. I think there shouldn’t be.
However, starting the season earlier — as early as March 26 — is not practical, you can’t schedule EVERY team indoors or in warm weather cities EVERY year, because that’s an unfair advantage to those teams, plus those teams don’t want a huge overload of home games when kids are in school, etc.
There’s no way the season is being started earlier. The idea of making every team play one split DH a month, which would cut a week off the season, might work.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Oct 25, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DHs / Player's union - is it thinkable?
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
by eths on Oct 25, 2009 6:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
More proof of Selig's ineptitude.
The obvious solution: schedule less free dates. That means more day games because the series would be played simultaneously with one afternoon game in a series and the other series game at night. To play in November is ridiculous. This is a summer game, to be finished when the weather turns cold. That’s why we play winter ball in the template climate.
by Fraggin Judge on Oct 25, 2009 6:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Attendance
You can’t convince me that shortening the season by 8 games would effect revenue streams tremendously. There are only a handful of teams that sell out every game and if you shortened the season you could make these 8 games up in some other price increase. Every team that doesn’t sell out would most likely see a flat number for total ticket sales because the non season ticket holders would still want to see games and with a limited number of dates would just go to a different game.
by KyCubsFan on Oct 25, 2009 7:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It. Will. Never. Happen.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Oct 26, 2009 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Am I
The only one who thinks that Fox’s stewardship of MLB coverage has been an absolute disaster? They are afraid to put baseball up against any other sport (regular or post season) they always feature the yanks, sox, and mets. They never switch to the more competitive game in blowout situations.
They don’t care about baseball except to pay the bills.
by KyCubsFan on Oct 25, 2009 9:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Happy birthday….to me =D
Big 18 today! Hurray, I’m a man!
And I put myself on the Cubs season ticket waiting list and I’m somewhere in the 109300s, might be awhile..
I'm a lefty, maybe Lou should give me a shot for a position in the bullpen!!
by Chanman25 on Oct 25, 2009 9:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Congrats man.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Oct 25, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A day late
but Happy Birthday Chan!!!!
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Oct 26, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vlad is so amazing in his plate coverage.
Imagine if Soriano had half that coverage. That’s a fantasy that’ll keep me warm for a while…
by chilango2 on Oct 25, 2009 9:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that swing (and many others in his career) and the resulting double reminds me so much of Clemente
and the way he attacked the ball no matter where it was pitched.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Oct 25, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vlad adjusts his swing
To make sure he hits the ball. Sori keeps his upper cut swing on pitches down and/or away. The best thing for him to do is NOT swing.
Chicago
Cubs
We are the better CC.
by Zy Toro Young on Oct 25, 2009 10:09 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
That was an absolutely INCREDIBLE play by Cano.
God I wish we had good middle infielders.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Oct 25, 2009 9:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
he also has 2 errors in the postseason so far
Not saying he isn’t a decent fielder. I don’t know his numbers for the season.
by bheidge on Oct 25, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure he's not a defensive whiz.
But I’d take him over any of our middle infielders.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Oct 25, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well if we are using our middle infielders
as a basis to compare, without knowing much about Cano’s fielding, I would guess its not a reach to call him a defensive whiz.
by bheidge on Oct 25, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mariano Rivera:
100% HOF vote?
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Oct 25, 2009 10:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No one will get 100%.
Greg Maddux should, but even he won’t, because there are some idiot sportswriters who insist no one should be unanimous.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Oct 26, 2009 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yet another play by Cano.
He’s so dreamy.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Oct 25, 2009 10:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha, Nick Swisher can’t throw out Chone. Cuz he can’t throw.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Oct 25, 2009 10:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Tim McCarver, just now:
“It’s almost as if in the playoffs, everybody’s the same age.”
I have no idea what this means.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Oct 25, 2009 10:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Neither does he.
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
by Zeke on Oct 26, 2009 6:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He hasn't aged well
"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill
by vonde6 on Oct 29, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is not enjoyable to watch.
The Angels self-destructing at Yankee Stadium, with the Yankees on the verge of going to the World Series.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Oct 25, 2009 10:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
These comments make me glad I'm not watching this game.
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy, and taste good with ketchup!
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 25, 2009 10:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Addition to previous comment:
I can’t stand the Yankees.
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy, and taste good with ketchup!
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 25, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm about the only one commenting.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Oct 25, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Until bheidge and I showed up.
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy, and taste good with ketchup!
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 25, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wanted to see if anyone was discussing
the lack of LA’s ability to play catch anymore. You throw the ball……you catch the ball…..simple right?
by bheidge on Oct 25, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As we proved this year,
Not very simple at all.
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy, and taste good with ketchup!
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 25, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great. Now we have an east coast series with the two teams that are 90 miles apart.
Yawn.
GO PHILLIES
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Oct 25, 2009 11:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And they will STILL have "travel days" in the schedule...
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
by Zeke on Oct 26, 2009 6:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I usually don't cheer for World Series repeats,
But GO PHILLIES!
And I just picked up a Philadelphia Phillies cap in case this matchup happened.
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy, and taste good with ketchup!
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 25, 2009 11:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm getting my Phillies cap out of the closet...
No choice really…
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
by Zeke on Oct 26, 2009 6:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish CC didn’t play for the Yankees. I’d like him.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Oct 25, 2009 11:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Phillies took 2 / 3 from the Yankees in the Bronx back in late May. Burnett, Pettitte, and Sabathia all threw for the Yankees.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Oct 25, 2009 11:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait, Kenny Albert is doing post game interviews? He called Pittsburgh/Minnesota earlier today! No sleep for him, they just fly him from Pittsburgh to NY?
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by MrNFL on Oct 25, 2009 11:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Now it's
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
by eths on Oct 25, 2009 11:33 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Silly iPhone! Sorry!
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
by eths on Oct 25, 2009 11:34 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Now it's really Go Phillies time
I just wish it was the Cubs…
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
by eths on Oct 25, 2009 11:36 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
CC Vs Lee
Should be a hell of a matchup.
Go Phillies. Heck they are not even my back up choice as is often the case. I mean I would have prefered the Twins but
Phillies all the way in the National League.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 26, 2009 12:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, let me be the first to mention this bit of trivia before Buck & McCarver beat it to death...
CC vs Lee – how often do back-to-back Cy Young winners from the same team meet the next year in the World Series on different teams?
Sigh…. sometimes it sucks to be a Cleveland Indians fan…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Oct 26, 2009 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, sucks to be the Indians.
But it sucks a lot to be a Mets fan, too. Two biggest rivals in the Series.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Oct 26, 2009 6:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"My heart bleeds for them"... sincerely, Ron Santo.
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
by Zeke on Oct 26, 2009 6:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm close to half way
Closer to Philadelphia but I have a lot of NY people that live near me. I’m Philadelphia born and bred!!! Hope the NY people move back up north since they keep driving up costs of living!
Next sunday will be great!!!!!
Eagles-Giants at 1 PM at the Linc!
Right across the street! Game 4, Phillies-Yankees at 8 PM. Hope the NYers have a nice trip up the turnpike at the end of the night!!!!! Screw them!!!
E-A-G-L-E-S,,,,,,EAGLES!!!!!!!!!!!
I’ll be wearing the Eagles/Phillies breast cancer shirt titled “city of brotherly love”. Has the eagles and phillies logo under the Philadelphia skyline titled city of brotherly love. Selling them only this month. Profits donated to breast cancer research at Jefferson.
I’m making riot punch for next sunday! ;^)
by PhillyCub on Oct 26, 2009 1:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Crush NY
I have lived for over 19 years and it is a great city. I just hate all their sports teams.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 26, 2009 3:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as the owners and the TV networks are satisfied...
…with the money being made under the current setup I would expect major changes. I’d just like to see a professional broadcast from TBS as a first step.
by DudeVf11 on Oct 26, 2009 8:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
but a professional broadcast from TBS WOULD be a major change - ergo, it's not gonna happen.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Oct 26, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I tend to agree...
…there were some improvements this year, but it’s still awkward coverage at best.
by DudeVf11 on Oct 27, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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