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This week's Cubs in Winter Ball Report

  • The Mesa Solar Sox are 5-10 in AFL play, 4.5 games back of Phoenix in the AFL East. The Solar Sox are in 3rd (last) in the division, and have the worst record in the league.
  • The MLB Network will air two live AFL games. Daron Sutton and Tony Clark will call the Rising Starts Game at Surprise Stadium on 7:00 CT on Saturday, November 7. Victor Rojas will join Clark to call the AFL Championship game from Scottsdale Stadium on November 21, a Saturday, at 1:30 CT.
  • Starlin Castro is still tearing it up in the AFL. He leads the league in batting average at .419, way ahead of second place Grant Desme at .404.
  • Castro also has 5 RBIs and 2 SB in his 13 AFL games.
  • Welington Castillo has not looked too shabby either. He's showed off above average defense with his catching, and is hitting .357 in 4 games.
  • Josh Vitters is hitting .351 in 9 games.
  • On October 16th, Andrew Cashner allowed 3 ER on 3 hits in 2 innings in his AFL debut. From there, he's improved each outing allowing a run on 3 hits on October 22 and pitching 4 scoreless innings in his last appearance, October 28.
  • John Gaub has gotten in to 5 games, and his ERA is 14.40 allowing 8 ER in just 5 innings.
  • James Russell and Blake Parker, both upcoming relief pitchers, have pitched well. Parker has a 3.86 ERA in 6 games, Russell has a 2.57 in 5 games.
  • Jeff Samardzija was strong yesterday. He picked up his second Mexican Pacific Leauge win as he allowed no runs on 4 hits in 6 innings, and struck out 7. Mexicali won the game 8-1.
  • Jeff's Mexicali team is in 3rd place of 8 teams in their league. They hold a record of 10-8, just two games behind first place Mazatlan.
  • Mexicali is managed by I-Cubs skipper Bobby Dickerson. There are 3 Cubs on the team plus Jeff.
  • Brian Schlitter is 1-0 with a 5.40 ERA in 11 relief appearances.
  • Brad Snyder, OF, is hitting .338 in 17 games with 3 homers and 17 RBIs.
  • Matt Camp has a .342 batting average with 1 HR and 12 RBIs.
  • Nelson Perez is playing for Toros of the Domican Winter League. He's hitting a stunning .448 in 9 games. Toros has a 7-4 record, tied for first in the league.
  • Marcos Mateo, Cubs' minor league pitcher, allowed 3 runs in 2.1 innings in his only DWL appearance.
  • Andres Blanco is hitting .311 in 14 Venezulan Winter Leauge Games. He has played mostly second base. He has 6 doubles, 2 triples, a homer, and 14 RBIs as well.
  • Robinson Chirinos, who spent most of 2009 with Daytona, has a .467 average playing for the same team as Blanco. Robinson has 3 HRs and 11 RBIs.
  • Larry Suarez is also pitching for Magallanes. He only has gotten into 1 game and did not allow a run. Their team has a record of 13-5, 0.5 games back of Caracas for first place in the VWL.
  • Iowa Cubs lefty J.R. Mathes is pitching for first place Caracas. He has a 1-2 record and a 5.40 earned run average.
  • Jonathan Mota (.350 AVG, 2 RBI), and Luis Rivas (.500 AVG, 2 Games) have also seen some VWL action.

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Don't be surprised

if James Russell is given another twirl as a starter, with Gaub/Mathes in the pen. There’s been some spec on that, and it makes sense. The arsenal’s too good to not give it another twirl as a starter. His fb command has come around a bit, and he still has a plus change and a good curve. Plenty of lefties have made it as starters on less.

by toonsterwu on Oct 31, 2009 6:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Castro stole #3 today

Unfortunately he also got picked off at 3rd

by CHCOWNTHECENTRAL on Oct 31, 2009 7:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Another excellent post.

I love reading your take on our prospects- scout or no scout. :)

by Pat19 on Oct 31, 2009 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

toons....implications for Big League club this year and 3 years out

Let me start with the obvious: Castro; Cubs have Theriot there now, marginal and as you said Cubs could groom him at 2B by mid season which means they go into the season with Baker/Fontenot, but why do that, why not move him into SS and move Theriot to 2B w/Fontenot platoon?

Vitters has time unless Ramirez or Lee get hurt, but Cubs have Fox still no rush…

Cashner/Jackson. Cubs have long term deals with Z, Demp, have Wells in years before arb, this is Lilly’s last year on contract. They also have workingman arms with Marshall, Gordz and Samardz but they could be bumped with a real performer. If these arms continue to develop they could have impact. Question with the Chapman in the possible mix what does that portend?

That and whether Castillo is the next catcher and possible good platoon with Soto?

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Nov 2, 2009 5:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

quick replies

a) Why I suggest Castro may be tried at 2nd if he’s called up this year – short answer is, Lou likes Theriot and disrupting the defense at 2nd is less of an issue than at short. Furthermore, if Baker is the regular, he’s likely moving around, lessening the overall disruption. You’d have to feel awfully confident to bring in a kid to take over at short. I’m assuming the team hasn’t collapsed (if it has, then you can move Castro to short). I’d rather see Castro at short instead of Theriot, if Starlin is ready.

b) I’m really not sure Fox is a factor in much of the Cubs long term planning. I think Baker will take over the backup role at 3rd base.

c) None of our big 3 prospect arms are sure fire deals to develop into solid starters. I like them, but I’ll be ecstatic if one reaches their top potential. I really don’t see the Cubs in the Chapman mix, but I could be off. I wouldn’t be surprised if Jackson/Cashner/Carpenter, if they are ready, are slowly worked into big league life through pen roles. Thus, we might be looking at 2011 or 2012, if they develop, before we get an arm in there. Don’t know if that answers anything.

d) Much as I’m not discouraged by Castillo … he really needs to put together a good solid consistent year to be considered a possible challenger to Soto in 2011, if Soto struggles.

by toonsterwu on Nov 2, 2009 9:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I really don’t see the Cubs in the Chapman mix,

muskat agrees FWIW

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by jesus christos on Nov 2, 2009 10:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

thanks

Inspector #23 certifies that the above post is sarcasm free, most certainly not what she said, and chock full of intangibles, although regressing to the intangible mean, as you'd expect.

by DGU on Oct 31, 2009 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great post with solid insight

I have to admit that you have me leaning back to not hating Vitters as a prospect. I don’t know if anybody is as down on him as I am (not that I have a clue what I’m talking about anyway) I just worry about Cubs prospects (any prospect really) that doesn’t show patience at the plate.

As we’ve talked about before I expect Jay Jackson to make an impact in the bigs next season. In a dream world it might be that he dominates as a starter, gets a start, and then goes all Randy Wells on us. More likely he helps boost our bullpen mid-season or August. I have high hopes for him and agree with putting him above Cashner right now.

I also wouldn’t be shocked if Cashner got a big league call-up.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Oct 31, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

really?

that made you not hate Vitters?

I’d encourage everyone to go over to prospectinsider.com and see his video of Vitters. It’s the only easily accessible one for everyone. It’s really a nice swing. I mean … there’s plenty of big leaguers that don’t have that sweet of a swing. Granted, batting practice, but it’s easy to see why scouts might fall in love with him. After all, he rose that draft year primarily, iirc, off showcase events.

I can see Cashner get a callup. I mean, barring a collapse, I think he almost should get a September call up. Before that? It depends a lot on … well … how things go for him.

by toonsterwu on Oct 31, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the stuff from that last thread from you and Josh too

Look, if the offer comes around and a team wants Vitters odds are I make that deal. I think he is very likely to fail because of the patience issue and what he does or doesn’t do as far as sticking at third.

Is it just me or did his swing look a lot like A-Rod’s? Maybe it was just the high socks combined with watching the WS game right now.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Oct 31, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmm

watching the ridiculously long world series game, and it does seem like, on swing, that there are some similiarities.

by toonsterwu on Nov 1, 2009 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I use performance

to judge Vitters. I don’t care about how pretty his swing is. Phil Hiatt had one of the prettiest swings you had ever seen and he could create a “whoosh” with the bat that I never heard before. And that didn’t get him very far.

Vitters problem is his discipline. And your take is right on. The walks are troublesome and it’s his swingers mentality.

I know people “love” what their eyes see with him, but he will never reach his potential as he moves up levels by not cleaning up his discipline. I’ll give him a pass on his performance at Daytona, but will watch carefully as he repeats the level at the start of next year. He would rank below Cashner for me at settle in as C/C+ prospect.

by socalbob on Nov 3, 2009 5:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

re:

I don’t even need to see him take some massive jump in walk % next year. That’d be nice, but a small increase would be fine as long as he’s seeing more pitches. When I saw those numbers, my jaw honestly dropped. 3.2 or 3.3 P/PA in the low minors is … bleh. If he doesn’t learn to take more pitches in the low levels, it’ll be hard to make the adjustment as he goes up, unless he’s some unique exception, which I wouldn’t bet on.

by toonsterwu on Nov 3, 2009 8:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Swingers Mentality?????

Don’t tell me we’ve got an orgy guy on our hands! He doesn’t even have the mustache!!!

by Mulhollandmania on Nov 5, 2009 7:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well

as we have heard numerous times with Vitters, “he’s only 20” so there is time to grow the stache.

by socalbob on Nov 6, 2009 10:56 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think you are low on B Jax.

I see the top ten as follows

1. Castro
2. Vitters
3. B JAX
4. J Jax
5. Cashner
6. Lee
7. Carpenter
8. Flaherty
9. Burke
10. Rhee

By the way which Korean kid is the power one?

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

by fischisgod on Nov 1, 2009 8:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dong-yub Kim

is the 5-tool Korean OF. Kyung-min na is the speedy, short CF with a good arm. Jae-Hoon Ha has moved back behind the plate at last report. Sung-Min Jung is a pen arm.

I like B Jax. Realistically, the difference between 2-7 in the system isn’t all that much. For me, it came down to the fact that the three arms all had good stuff and were a couple levels higher, while B Jax still had some K issues (SSS). Lee was an issue of positional value and only being a step behind. That said, sure I can buy B Jax at 3.

by toonsterwu on Nov 1, 2009 8:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I keep the Vitters comp of Howie Kendrick in mind

particularly because Kendrick took a while to establish himself. I think that we’ll need to be patient with Vitters – but he clearly has talent.

Inspector #23 certifies that the above post is sarcasm free, most certainly not what she said, and chock full of intangibles, although regressing to the intangible mean, as you'd expect.

by DGU on Nov 1, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I certainly hope he's like Kendrick.

"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver

by wrigleyrocker12 on Nov 1, 2009 7:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Lets just hope

the Cubs can finally get some production from position players. It has been a long time coming.

by Grockcubs on Nov 1, 2009 7:26 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for this excellent post

A couple of comments / observations / questions:

Sounds like Vitters sort of compares to Mark Reynolds of the D-Backs. Big bat, little displine, suspect glove. I would be okay with this actually.

Casey Coleman? Where does he rank? How about Marquez Smith?

Finally, does anyone know where Billy Petrick or Nic Jackson are playing? Or if they are playing?

"We gotta circle the bandwagons." - Devin Hester

by Jose's Eyelid on Nov 1, 2009 8:22 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

re:

a) Reynolds, though, walks a ton in comparison to Vitters. 11.6%. I think there’s a slight difference between the two in that, Reynolds goes up to hammer the ball each time, while Vitters swing generates power, but I don’t think, from what I’ve seen and heard, that he goes up there to hammer it each time.

b) Smith’s more of a utility player if he makes it up to the bigs (able to play a touch of 2nd, 3rd, and probably could handle corner OF). I just don’t think the upside is good enough to force his way into the top 15, and his bat is more of a bench bat. His power is also more line drive power.

Coleman could crack some top 15 lists due to his season. Problem is, he doesn’t have the stuff to really project to be more than an end of the rotation arm. Nice diverse arsenal (high 80’s/low 90’s fb that generates some sink, mixes in a change and a curve) that could allow him to be in the bigs, but he needs a better swing and miss pitch. Maybe the cutter/slider that he’s working on while allow him, a weapon he showed late in the year. That said, Coleman’s mentality (from interviews) seems to suggest that he’s a guy who gets it, in regards to playing to his strengths and not overdoing things. For me, I try to judge on a balance of things, and while his floor is high, I’m not sure his ceiling is high enough. I could fully see/understand people sliding him in a top 15 though. Currently, I have him at 23rd, although that’s the 9th arm. Still a rough list.

c) Petrick was with an indy league team this year, iirc. Forget which one, though. Windy City Thunrderbolts perhaps. TBC shows Nic Jackson as having played baseball in the Atlantic League in 2008. My computer is stalling right now in loading up their webpage so I can’t check if he returned to them or not.

by toonsterwu on Nov 1, 2009 8:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

toon is right on

Reynolds is not an apt comp for Vitters.

Vitters uses the whole field and is more line drive or on plane with his swing. Reynolds is a fly-ball hacker.

by socalbob on Nov 3, 2009 5:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Castro's going to be a star

I can’t wait until he’s on the club

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. -- Bruce Bartlett

by berselius on Nov 3, 2009 9:06 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I think so too

but there’s a lot of projection to go. That said, even if he doesn’t reach his peak, he’s still a potentially solid shortstop. As he gets older, he’ll hopefully stop reaching on some pitches. The main thing now is more consistency defensively.

by toonsterwu on Nov 3, 2009 9:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs


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