Bob Brenly Interested In Managing Nationals?
Watch Dave van Dyck make something out of nothing:
Brenly said he had informal talks with Nationals GM Mike Rizzo, who worked in the Arizona front office when Brenly was managing.
"I did have a conversation with Mike when the Nationals were in Wrigley Field this year, and at that point it was way too premature," Brenly said. "At that point he couldn't say exactly what they were going to do.
"I always enjoy talking to baseball people, and if I get an opportunity to go for interviews, sure (I will)."
The article goes on to say:
At one time, he said he probably wouldn't take a job with a rebuilding team, but he said Thursday, "Things can always change."
I guess, but really, Bob: you'll be 56 in January, you've got a great high-profile job that pays you well and fans like the job you're doing. Why would you want to manage a team that has almost no chance to go to the postseason for the next five years and from which you're likely to be fired?
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On the other hand...
…if I’d just finished having to broadcast a series with Dick Stockton, a managing job – even if it was the Nationals – might sound pretty good to me.
"I see great things in baseball. It's our game - the American game." - Walt Whitman
by hip2bsquare on Oct 9, 2009 3:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Air Ah Mass Ramirez is not our third baseman Dick Stockton. Hey TBS, I’ll take millions of dollars to mispronounce names too if you want…
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
by Musicdude10 on Oct 11, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
one defense is that, it’s a position that he would have to be really dreadful to get fired from the Nats. the expectations aren’t high for 2010 and 2011, and if he can make it through, by 2012, they could have an interesting group of talent. Also, there’s good baseball people in place, led my Rizzo and Kasten (if Kasten sticks around) and the Lerner’s may be opening up a bit. Finally, he may simply want to give managing one last twirl. With his background, he could probably find a broadcasting job with relative ease if he got fired, and this may be his last shot.
That said, gut feeling says that they go with a younger guy to build with. They are going to have a lot of kids in the next year or two step in there. You know who I wouldn’t rule out (I think it’d be a darkhorse, though)? Pat Listach. A bit of a risk, but he’s on staff there and has a stellar reputation as a potential up-and-comer.
by toonsterwu on Oct 9, 2009 3:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Listach would make sense, actually.
When he was in the Cubs system he was considered a top managerial prospect. He is only 42 years old. Not such a dark horse after all.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Oct 9, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there seems to be some rumors that
they are looking at folks outside of the organization, which is why i think that, while listach is well regarded, that he’s probably a darkhorse.
actually, an old vet to come in and steady the ship to groom listach might be a possibility (so the brenly pairing might make some sense if it’s viewed in that regards as well).
by toonsterwu on Oct 9, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe, but...
… why would Brenly take a job as a bench coach?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Oct 9, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
i mean with brenly as the manager and moving listach to bench coach
by toonsterwu on Oct 9, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad "dibs" doesn't work with broadcasters...
He really should be on the bench with Lou… although that would last all of 10 minutes until Lou falls asleep and Bob slowly moves him into a closet for the rest of the season. I wish Bob nothing but the best of luck, but he would go absolutely insane in Washington…
How about this… Lous had fun babysitting down in Tampa Bay for a while until a real manager could take over… why not ship Lou off to Washington (I hear they have GREAT mojitos – it’ll be just like home!) and BB can take over until Ryno is ready, and then BB can head back upstairs with Len.
Is that REALLY asking too much?
by lswaidz on Oct 9, 2009 3:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Steve Stone mentioned this...
On The Score this afternoon. He said Bob’s still young enough to put up with a few initial tough years. You have to think the Mets will improve, the Phillies are going to be good for a while, and Florida is always going to hang around (possibly be better with the new stadium). I don’t see BB wanting to be a part of that disaster in Washington.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Oct 9, 2009 3:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
could be a play to get the Cubs to give him a bench role, more $$,
you never know……its a chess match most of the time
by cozmotaylor123 on Oct 9, 2009 3:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Doubt it.
From what I understand, Brenly already makes about $900,000 a year. He’s not likely to make more as manager of the Nationals.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Oct 9, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he would be crazy to take on the stress of managing
…for a poor organization, especially if he is bringing down 900k.
by JB 23 on Oct 10, 2009 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll do it for half of that...
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
by Zeke on Oct 11, 2009 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was asked about this.....
A good friend who works for ESPN radio in NY emailed me this morning for my opinion on this. I don’t think Brenly would be interested in the Cubs managerial position – too much pressure. He’s better off n the Cubs broadcast seat where it’s relatively safe. I also don’t see him with a bench role if he’s not going to be considered for manager down the road. He can’t take the pressue here as a manager. Very few can. I’m sure he has some sort of “out” clause in his broadcast contract, but don’t you think he wants to be part of the Cubs when they win it all? If the answer is yes, then the reasonable thing to do is to stay in the booth.
"I'm a Cubs fan. I'm very, very patient." -- from a Shoe cartoon.
by No Southern Belle on Oct 9, 2009 3:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
100% agreed.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Oct 9, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This makes a lot of sense to me
"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill
by vonde6 on Oct 11, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he had to pick...
…between managing again (somewhere else) and sticking around in the booth until the Cubs win it all, I’d bet he would manage in a heart beat.
Once you have been a player and a manager, it is very difficult to pass up opportunities to jump back into the day to day competition that a lot of these guys really miss when they get away from it.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Oct 11, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. And to further reinforce the point, I present this bit of Star Trek dialogue, circa 1967
Khan: Have you ever read Milton, captain?
Capt. Kirk: Yes. I understand.
[Khan is escorted out by Security]
Scotty: It’s a shame for a good Scotsman to admit it, but I’m not up on Milton
Capt. Kirk: The statement Lucifer made when he fell into the pit: “It is better to rule in Hell than to serve in Heaven”.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Oct 12, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anything's possible, I suppose...
…but I have hard time believing BB would want to leave his cushy broadcasting gig, which apparently gives him plenty of flexibility to help support his son in the minor leagues, to step into that Nationals mess.
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
by dat cubfan daver on Oct 9, 2009 4:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You've hit on an important point.
The Cubs give him plenty of time to see Michael play — and it appears that the younger Brenly is a genuine catching prodpect, too.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Oct 9, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
* prospect, not "prodpect".
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Oct 9, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but does he like to light up?
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Oct 9, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. He just beams and beams when he sees his dad...
Oh, that’s not what you meant, is it?
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
by Zeke on Oct 11, 2009 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
michael's a decent catching prospect
but he has to develop quite a bit more to be a serious threat. With those bloodlines and a good teacher in the family, it’s possible.
by toonsterwu on Oct 9, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think BB is smart enough to know DC isn't the right spot for him.
However he’s flirting with them to say “hey other teams, I’m still interested in managing.” I big part of me thinks he believes he’s a contender for the job once Lou bolts.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Oct 9, 2009 4:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget his son Michael,
I don’t think BB thinks he has a long-term future in Chicago, either in the booth or the dugout, because he doesn’t want to impede, or create any possible conflict of interest, concerning his son’s promotability. Michael probably still a long shot for the majors, but BB is likely to be more receptive to an out of town offer than before.
"The Cubs are due in sixty-two." - #14
by BatCubFan on Oct 9, 2009 4:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You don't think
the Cubs would allow BB in the booth if Michael makes the team? Ron Santo did color when Todd Hundley, who I believe is his Godson, was “collecting a paycheck”. I know it is not the same, but management let it happen.
by ChicagoRobb on Oct 9, 2009 5:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It is not what the Cubs will allow,
it is what BB would want . He has already said he would not be the color analyst in a game his son was playing. I assume that would carry onto the field.
"The Cubs are due in sixty-two." - #14
by BatCubFan on Oct 9, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moreland was outstanding when he filled in for Ron this year.
by JB 23 on Oct 10, 2009 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I liked Keith, too.
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
by dat cubfan daver on Oct 10, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Bob leaving would mean Keith takes over...
…I’d be all for that. Sorry Bob fans, I thought Keith Moreland was excellent and would add more to telecasts than Bob if he were a full-timer. But that’s just my opinion.
by ZachenFoot on Oct 11, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked Keith too
but would be heart broken if Bob left.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Oct 10, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Stone Poney could be back.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Oct 9, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think hell will freeze over first
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Oct 11, 2009 3:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
See the link below and scroll to the bottom.
http://www.hell2u.com/gallery.htm
Hell DOES freeze over…
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
by Zeke on Oct 11, 2009 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
While I like Bob...
I don’t think he’s anything great, as an announcer, and I wouldn’t be disappointed if he left the booth. He’s pretty easily replaceable.
by kanderber on Oct 9, 2009 5:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll wager you'd eat those words if it actually came to pass
by Emelie on Oct 10, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't bet Kanderber too much
Why? Two words: Keith Moreland
I like BB. But Keith will step in with Len and by Memorial Day, BB won’t be nearly as missed as people think he’d be missed right now.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Oct 12, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't disagree more
Bob’s a great color guy. He has the same Stoney-like knowledge of the game to explain some of the more minute aspects and tell you what moves a manager will likely make. It’s a treat to have a WS-winning manager in the booth, as opposed to a washed up player whose knowledge is limited to their position.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Oct 11, 2009 3:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To me
What I find weird is this is the best job he can get?
He managed a team to a wortd championship.
Who would replace him in the booth if he does goes? Grace?
Thank you to all who have offered prayers when I made mention. My nephew Nathan Allan Cubtoseriesby100 was born on Thursday and at his size starts on the O line fot the Bears; 9 lbs 10 ounces and 22 inches!
by puckishcubsfan on Oct 9, 2009 11:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's hope not.
Grace is horrendous.
Eric Karros or Rick Sutcliffe would be better choices.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Oct 10, 2009 6:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+Eric Karros
"Was you ever punched in the face five hundred times a night? It stings after a while." ~Rocky Balboa
by Goodie1969 on Oct 10, 2009 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rick Sutcliffe is part of the 3 headed monster that is my 3 all time favorite Cubs. (Sandberg and Dawson are the other 2)
I would love Sutcliffe.
Karros too.
I just hope WGN doesn’t go with the most popular in Grace although Sutcliffe is still a big time favorite of Cub fans.
Thank you to all who have offered prayers when I made mention. My nephew Nathan Allan Cubtoseriesby100 was born on Thursday and at his size starts on the O line fot the Bears; 9 lbs 10 ounces and 22 inches!
by puckishcubsfan on Oct 11, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Karros: +1 Red Baron: +1
Keith Moreland: +2
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Oct 12, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tim McCarver
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Oct 10, 2009 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you're joking.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Oct 10, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
yes
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Oct 10, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had one good line:
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Oct 12, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
...and that was:
In 2004 during the epic WC collapse on that dreaded trip to Shea. When Sosa GIDP, he said, “where’s the strike-out when you need it?”
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Oct 12, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2006 after Pujols homer, Lidge coming in to save a world series game.
“I think Brad Lidge is going to come back strong and save this game for the Astros tonight.”
1 second later, walk off homer.
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Oct 12, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
be cool
bob.if you really want to manage wait another year and interview for the cubs job. funny how he says he does not want the cubs job but everytime another posistion opens up his name is there. of course he cant come out and say that he wants the job when he,s in the booth.
by NOMAR on Oct 10, 2009 7:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bob is a Baseball Man
As such, time in the broadcast booth is only something to keep him busy until he can put his cleats on again. To think anything else is unrealisitc. Don’t you remember what Lou did between “real” jobs.
Washington? Why not. It’s a job and it’s back in the game. Maybe he’ll fail, and maybe he won’t. There’s only one way for him to find out.
I love Bob and Len as a team. I thought I’d never get over Stoney and Chip leaving but now I’m glad they did because Bob and Len are better. The fact is though, Bob is temporary at best. Every off season Bob has probed the job market. Why shouldn’t he.
And so it goes.
by Luigi on Oct 10, 2009 8:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Folks probably asked Joe Maddon
why he would go to the (Devil) Rays when he was just inches away from getting the Red Sox job.
Some guys want the challenge of turning a crap organization into a winner – and having a backlog of top picks doesn’t hurt.
by AceCubbie on Oct 10, 2009 10:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope Bob does not leave.
He has said he would find it difficult to be the color analyst if Michael was playing but there is no guarantee Michael will stay with the Cubs organization.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Oct 10, 2009 10:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
but there is no guarantee Michael will stay with the Cubs organization.
hmm, maybe jimbo is going to trade MB for stephen strasburg!
"hey
by jesus christos on Oct 10, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, please
if the Cubs traded MB to the Nationals, it means Austin Kearns is coming here :)
"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?"--The Brain
by brook on Oct 10, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quick question
How good of a job do you have when you’re paid to watch a team you like/love half ass it, see what needs to be done, see those things not being done, and be completely powerless to do anything about it?
That sounds more like a really frustrating job, which is what this last season seemed like for B-squared. I mean, managing the Nationals is like the equivalent of coaching the Raiders, but at least you can try to mold your team into something.
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 11, 2009 8:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I've said all along...
…that you could tell Brenley still had the fire to manage again and this doesn’t surprise me.
Even though he has a great gig, it doesn’t replace that day to day experience of being in competition and that is something that can’t be replaced by anything else.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Oct 11, 2009 8:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
When offered a managing job
you take it. No matter how bleak the outcome appears to look. Who’d have thought the Rays would go to the post season two years ago. You never know what’s going to happen…
One day, the dream will come true.
by brianp88 on Oct 11, 2009 2:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Change:
No matter how bleak the outcome appears to look.
to: No matter how crappy the team is, you take a 4x salary raise managing versus announcing.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Oct 12, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In this case, not a chance.
Brenly is making $900,000 (approximately) announcing. No team is going to pay him $3.6 million to manage.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Oct 12, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The money is not the issue...
…and although he would probably double his pay, the rush of managing your own team again is something money can’t buy.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Oct 12, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yabbut...
…. he probably wouldn’t get that rush with the Nationals.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Oct 12, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He may not win...
…but it’s likely he feels very unfulfilled stuck in a broadcast booth, if he feels he has something to offer.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Oct 12, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brenly is being smart
You have to keep your name out there. You should interview. Even if you feel it won’t go anywhere, it makes sense for both sides. The Nationals probably didn’t think they would get Brenly, but who knows how vigorous the interview was? Sometimes those things turn into conversations about who the person being interviewd feel would do a good job.
Brenly would take a job with a team that is on the verge of contending. No way he takes a reclamation project on like the Nationals.
by Nibbles on Oct 11, 2009 10:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not picking a fight
but how do you know? There aren’t many openings for major league managers much less for teams on the verge of contending so if he gets offered the Nationals he might take it.
Looking at the likely openings, I see the Blue Jays, Nationals and possibly Cardinals and Reds. There might be one or two more but I don’t see any openings like stepping into the Yankees or Dodgers like Girardi and Torre did. For 2011, you’ll have the Braves but they may already be planning that move.
by rlpete on Oct 12, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On Brenly and managing
I’m a bit late to the game on this one, but wanted to chime in. We all want to give our two cents and hypothesize on Brenly’s decision, the idea of him taking a job with a mediocre team and staying in a high profile broadcasting job. The fact of the matter is that for many managers and former managers, what they want to do is manage. Its not that broadcasting isn’t a great second gig, but what they want to do is manage. People here were quick to recognize Steve Stone’s ego, but the fact of the matter is that these egos are pervasive throughout the sport. How could one be in such a position and not have an ego the size of Montana? Some show it in different ways, but these guys have ego. Most of these guys are former players and they have been put on a pedistal from the time they were kids and were recognized as the star of the team.
So you have a former manager and what most of them want to do is get back and win. They are driven to compete and that is not an element that is present in the broadcast booth. Add ego and you have someone like Brenly who believes that no matter where you put him, he can bring them a winner. Does anyone actually think that a manager takes a job, even if its in a crappy market and not believe that he’s going to win there?
The bottom line is that Brenly wants to manage again, and if that were not the case he would not have talked to the Brewers last year. As each year passes, too, he gets further and further away from his world series win and he gets a year older. There are 30 major league managerial positions and many of the great ones aren’t coming open any time soon. If Brenly wants to manage again, he’s got to make the move sooner rather than later.
by dmlichte on Oct 12, 2009 11:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I like BB and hope he stays
But if he goes, I will miss him and get used to Keith in there just as easily I got used to BB after Stony left.
But to answer Al’s question in the title….yes. It’s always money and everyone has their price. It’s the intersection of the 2 that drives many decisions.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Oct 12, 2009 2:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess it is just "in him" to manage,
I agree with Al, why would you ever leave a seemingly stress free, fun job for something with way more hours and an immeasurable amount of stress? I would hate to lose Brenly, Len and him have become a really good pair, you can tell they have fun.
Chicago Cubs baseball is on the air...
by slocs55 on Oct 12, 2009 2:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it's easy...
…for us to say “why would he leave a low stress job”, but for anyone who still has a competitive fire, it just doesn’t come close to giving you the same satisfaction.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Oct 12, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I buy all your arguments
But, the Nationals are terrible. And, they are going to be terrible for several years. Brenly can have all the fire in the world, but he ain’t going there. The Nationals will have a tough time getting any quality MLB veteran manager to take that job. They should just let Riggleman run the team for a year and see what he can do with them.
by Nibbles on Oct 12, 2009 10:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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