Bradley For Millwood?
From a comment at Bruce Miles' blog:
The Rangers would appear to be a good landing place for Bradley, and Millwood seemingly would be a serviceable arm. I'm told there haven't been any formal talks on this, but that Millwood is a guy the Cubs have liked. He was 13-10 with a WHIP of 1.34 and an ERA of 3.67. I'd say it's a situation that bears watching.
Interesting. Discuss. (This post edited to update content and post a new rumor.)
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FYI
There is some discussion there already.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 10, 2009 12:53 PM CST reply actions
I believe it's also been debunked already
Not to mention that it’s an awful, awful idea.
You should probably cite your sources if you’re going to post something like this as well.
Well, the original poster did cite his/her sources
But I agree with the rest of what you wrote.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 10, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry, that was directed at the author of this diary not you
It’s not clear where the author’s quote came from above. Unless I’m missing something.
Don't worry - it was clear you weren't directing it at me
The author was referencing FoxSports.com, but I guess you’re right there, too – we don’t know who the quote is from that references FS.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 10, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
Of course, this part of the thread refers to the original content of the fanpost...
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 10, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
yeah
another second baseman… that solves everything!
Jerry’s been so distant lately and Lovie barely calls.- Just Dave
Scrappy!
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 10, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
Keep getting second basemen
A bit like how the Detroit Lions were stockpiling wide receivers for so long.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
So long as the Cubs actually stockpile real second baseman.
It could be argued they only have two right now, Baker & Theriot.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
Fontenot & Miles
no longer on roster?
Jerry’s been so distant lately and Lovie barely calls.- Just Dave
Was Miles ever really with us?
I’m fairly certain we had a cardboard cutout of Aaron Miles taking up a spot on the roster.
No, we didn't.
The cardboard cutout would have hit better.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Are they really MLB starting quality second baseman?
In 2009, they didn’t even form a mediocre platoon.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
you're the one calling for "real" secondbasemen
I’m just calling for no more. :-P
Jerry’s been so distant lately and Lovie barely calls.- Just Dave
Yet another Milton rumor making the rounds now:
Apparently, Bruce Levine has muttered that the Rangers might agree to a Kevin Millwood for Bradley trade.
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
$12M for one year?
GETIT DON EJIM!1
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 10, 2009 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know which salary figure is correct
I did a quick Google search . . . mlb.com is blocked here. $10 M is an even better fit.
If they could get a servicable arm without adding significant payroll, it would be a pretty good trick. Even better if they don’t have to eat $ for 2011.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 10, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
Cot's has him at $12 million for 2010...
…though there’s a club option involved that I don’t completely understand.
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
Ok, that matches what I thought
2010 would have been a club option year, but it has vested.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 10, 2009 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
If the Rangers really want Bradley back...
… I’d do this deal. Millwood’s definitely a serviceable arm, and the Cubs could use one.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I think I'd do it, too.
Make Millwood the No. 5 starter for a season and the team would presumably be out of the Milton mess financially speaking. Or am I missing something?
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
Ok, now Bruce modified his reply to you to include a signing bonus that gets spread over 2011-2015
Still, I think it’s a workable deal. I don’t think the Cubs should have to eat much, if any $ on that one, though. I don’t know that the Rangers agree.
So, if this goes through, does that make Marshall tradeable? I’m not necessarily advocating it, but I would think Gorzo would be the swingman with a rotation of (in alphabetical order): Dempster, Lilly, Milwood, Wells, Zambrano.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 10, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
This sounds like the most attractive trade swap I've hear for Bradley.
I’d guess the sticking point would be that Bradley has 2 years left on his contract whereas Millwood has only 1.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Nov 10, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
Right - but
If the Rangers really want him back and he returns to form, his 2011 salary isn’t that bad.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 10, 2009 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
I wonder
how the ownership situation with the Rangers would impact 2011 decision.
The organization seems to be having some cash flow issues so I wonder it that makes it less or more like that this could happen.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Nov 10, 2009 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
Set up a scale to identify how much payroll
the Cubs eat for 2011 if he stinks in 2010. None if he has a good year, half if he stinks.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
That's very creative.
I wonder if MLB would allow that.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Nov 10, 2009 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
that could fall into the "cash considerations" we hear
about in certain deals.
"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin
ugh
I’m not too enthused about Millwood. If you look past the ERA, that wasn’t a very impressive year, to say the least. Sure, the AL-NL move may help, but what does that make him? A number 4 starter instead of a number 5?
Really?
No one is mistaking him for Roger Clemens circa 1990, but he had an ERA+ of 127 last year, and he’s an innings-eater.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 10, 2009 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
Yep.
The more I look at it, the better it looks. The total money owed to Bradley is $21 million; the total owed to Millwood is $25 million (with $15 million of it a signing bonus deferred over a 5-year period 2011-15, so essentially $3m a year for five years after the contract expires).
This would make the Cubs pay an extra $4 million over the life of the two contracts. I suspect that’s within Tom Ricketts’ parameters.
GETITDON EJIM!
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Maybe they can throw in Miles - and, wait for it . . . .
Get $2M back from the Rangers over those 5 years!
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 10, 2009 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
Or...
… throw in Miles and PAY the $2 million, just to be glad to get rid of both of them.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
How about they split the difference
Give Texas $1M and me $1M for the idea.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 10, 2009 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
Then you have to cut me in on the $1 million because you posted it here.
I’ll take a 10% BCB cut.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Works for me
I’d even let you off the hook for the Big Gulp that you owe me.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 10, 2009 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
If I give you $100k and you bought me a drink
I might lobby for scotch
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 10, 2009 9:35 PM CST up reply actions
If we could get this deal done...
… sure.
Let’s not hold our breath waiting, though.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
re:
the low k rate, 3 ish walk rate, the relatively low babip, the relatively high strand rate. Millwood’s a nice innings eating, back of the rotation starter who benefitted greatly from the defense behind him, partly due to the elite defensive play of Elvis Andrus.
Look, if you are asking me, would I make this swap? Probably. I’d rather pick off a Derek Lowe or a Kenshin Kawakami.
I’m just not enthused about Millwood.
But wouldn't getting out of the Bradley mess via a No. 4 starter be a pretty good deal?
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
sure
I’d probably make the deal, but I’m just not all that enthused with Millwood, tis all.
"Enthused"...
… isn’t what we have to be about getting rid of Bradley. “Relieved” is more like it.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
i know
i’m simply saying, let’s not make millwood sound better than he is.
furthermore, for the deal to happen, there’d have to be some balancing of the remaining dollars. Otherwise, I just don’t see it as being worth it, particularly the 15 million remaining signing bonus. i don’t care about the difference in money for 2010 all that much.
It sure doesn’t sound like they are going to eat much money, though. I really don’t buy this rumor in some respects, much as I respect Bruce Miles. Short of it is, figuring out the finances for a team being sold won’t be easy, and the Rangers front office might not be that amenable to trading an innings eater away and burdening their kids.
Maybe we should start a pool
Guess how many more MB related threads there will be before opening day.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Nov 10, 2009 5:08 PM CST up reply actions
I have a number of problems with this post.
First, as noted above, this topic has been covered several times. The rumor has been debunked — why would the Mets want Overbay?
And finally, there is no link provided. It appears to be from Yahoo, but there’s no definitive link.
Anyone else think I need to delete this?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Well, I would have said yes initially
But it branched off into a Milwood discussion. Maybe change the title and delete the quote?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 10, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
Idea works and so does Millwood
I always welcome FOMs (Friends of Maddux).It would also be interesting because of the instance by some that Milton was a problem everywhere he ever played and thus no team that had him would ever want him again.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 10, 2009 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
I like the idea.
The Millwood thing is probably going to be discussed at length anyway.
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
I’d like to hear/read (learn) more about Millwood
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by cooliogirl47 on Nov 10, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
I would make the deal
That type of ERA in the AL and in that park, I would do it. Millwood does eat innings and he would be a good replacement for Harden.
Millwood may also look better outside of that park.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
more talk
Maybe you already know , but the folks at Lone Star Ball are talking about it too
"When I was younger, I could remember anything, whether it had happened or not." --Mark Twain
Only six comments so far...
…but, yeah, they’re discussing it here.
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
Very odd site.
It’s a baseball blog but the traffic is all about the NFL. The only posts that have more than a handful of comments are the NFL posts.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Nov 10, 2009 4:16 PM CST up reply actions
The majority
of our posters are in offseason mode.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
I don't hate this deal
We get something that we need, they get something they need, Millwood would really save us from not having Ted for a while.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
More about this from a Ft. Worth Star-Telegram blog.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
So if they split the 2011 salary would that do it?
Should the Cubs only need to pay 5 million?
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
When is the BCB Free Agent Frenzy...
Gonna be posted AL????
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
I don't see MLB's game posted yet.
Whenever they do theirs, we can start ours.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Blah
No need to wait! No baseball on tv and no football til the weekend. I hate reality shows. Basketball on TV is borinnggg. I’m going insane already. I’m almost ready to do that one thing I get paid to do for 8 hours a day. What’s it called? Oh yeah actually work.
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
that is a heck of lot of money for the Cubs to eat
i hate all of this stupid drama, but of everything I’ve seen, this is about the only decent way to pull the blossom out of the septic tank
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we will go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
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