On Harden and the Players Jim Hendry Lets Go
by DGU on Nov 15, 2009 8:10 PM CST
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PrintWithout access to health records, Rich Harden looks like a great candidate to offer arbitration - at the very least, if not offer an incentive-based contract. Yes, he kills bullpens, but not if you pair him with Sean Marshall who also lacks endurance to be a starter. Yes, he can be maddening, breaking down, but when healthy, he is the best pitcher in baseball. I can understand thinking Harden isn't worth a long-term contract, but that Jim Hendry wouldn't even offer arbitration mystifies me.
That said, Jim Hendry has been pretty good at knowing when to cut bait. Consider
In 2004, Hendry traded Hee Seop Choi, who had just had a promising rookie season - Choi was out of baseball two seasons later.
In 2005, the biggest story was the trade of Sammy Sosa - who was miserably bad in Baltimore and not given a contract the year following. Hendry also let Mark Grudzielank go; Grudz was decent the following year, but his OPS+ dropped 5 pts to 93 and 3 more points to 90 the next year. Moises Alou was also let go - a mistake as Alou was very productive throughout his next contract, but an understandable mistake given Alou's age of 38. He did only play in 123 games the next year and 98 the year after that. But if Alou was a mistake, letting Matt Clement go was brilliant. Clement had been excellent over his three Cub years and was only 29, but Hendry let the Red Sox nab Clement on a three-year deal. Clement gave the Red Sox one slightly below average year, one half of a bad year, and one entire season lost to injury.
In 2006, it was Nomar let go - and Nomar was unable to find a job playing middle infield. He had a productive partial season as a 1B, but his bat failed him the following year, and his health failed him after that.
In 2007, Hendry let Mark Prior go - Prior has yet to pitch again in the major leagues.
In 2009, Hendry let go Kerry Wood, and traded Mark DeRosa and Jason Marquis. Marquis had an excellent season, although Sean Marshall and Randy Wells, who replaced him were better and Marquis also had his characteristic second-half slide. DeRosa and Wood, on the other hand, didn't fare as well. DeRosa's season was marred by injury and in the end, he and Mike Fontenot had identical triple slash lines v. RHP. I'd argue that moving DeRosa turned out to be a great decision - it's just that replacing him was miserably done on multiple levels. Kerry Wood was very poor in the first half of the season, making it look like letting him go was very smart. Wood turned his season around and, over all, it was right to let him go (although he might be worth bringing back in a trade of bad contracts if possible).
All in all, it seems like Hendry should only regret letting Moises Alou go, while, on the other hand, he's made some extremely prescient decisions, letting players go that I would have thought should be kept. That makes me think twice when I hear that the Cubs seem set to let Harden walk. Jim Hendry's track record on these things has earned him the benefit of the doubt.
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Let him go
By most accounts, the Cubs have about 10 million free, and that may be on the high hand. If we offer Harden arb and he accepts (not impossible if he believes he can stay healthy and have a strong year to rebuild his value), that eats up any room to make moves unless the Cubs can clear a bunch of money elsewhere (or Ricketts increases payroll). Short of it is, while it’d be nice to grab a compensation pick, putting the organization in a box for the rest of the offseason isn’t a prudent move.
For a reference point, I’d point back to the offseason where Greg Maddux surprised the Braves by accepting arbitration, forcing them to dump Kevin Millwood to their division rivals for Johnny Estrada (granted, the Braves made some moves before than that impacted this, Russ Ortiz and someone else).
But that trade (Millwood/Estrada) turned out okay for Atlanta, didn't it?
Millwood was okay in 2003 for Phiily and not so good in 2004. Estrada didn’t play much in 2003 (hurt?) but was pretty good in 2004.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
perhaps
but most, maybe not all, but most would agree that Millwood’s value should’ve been more than a return of Johnny Estrada, as Millwood was coming off a solid season.
Similarly
would it be the worst thing in the world if we started the season with Harden and traded him when Lilly got back? I can’t find the rules for trading players who accept arb, but Polanco was traded by the Phillies Jun 8 when he accepted arb.
Is he traded yet?
In April?
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Nov 16, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
I believe that rule is only applicable to trading a free agent signed over the winter.
If a player accepts a team’s offer of arbitration, they are forgoing free agency and this rule does not apply to them.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Nov 16, 2009 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
Letting go of Grudzielank was a mistake
Hendry had to choose between Grudz and Walker and he kept Walker. Not a terrible decision but the wrong one. I think letting of Bobby Hill was the best move even if it was a salary dump for the Pirates.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
there was more to it than Grudz versus Walker
IIRC, Grudz complained after he was re-signed by the Cubs for the 2004 season, because his salary dropped quite a bit (he was overpaid in 2003). I think the complaint was fairly innocent — “of course I’m not happy that I took a pay cut” or something like that.
But it ticked off the Cubs. Not sure where I read this. Maybe “Cubs Nation”?
I think some people will disagree with this sentiment
I’d argue that moving DeRosa turned out to be a great decision – it’s just that replacing him was miserably done on multiple levels.
But I definitely agree with it.
The thing with DeRosa
3 years ago would anyone on here guessed he would have been beloved by Cubs fans as much as he was? As much as I was a fan of his, I’m still shocked.
Speaking of Harden, I want him back. Personally, I’ve never enjoyed seeing a Cubs game live more than when he pitched. But I understand why he won’t be brought back and I’ll get over it before the season begins.
Obviously you were not at the games he threw 100 pitches in less than 5 innings
He was indeed fun to watch but really, really frustrating.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 15, 2009 11:26 PM CST up reply actions
I certainly wasn't there
I’ve only been to two night games and he happened to pitch both games. He put on a fantastic performance each of those games.
He was great in '08
Not so much last season cause of his inability to command his pitches.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
I saw him pitch in '09
It was probably his best performance of the year. Night game against Padres. Jake Peavy pitched.
If it had turned into Peavy
I think people would be much more supportive of the decision. I agreed with it at the time
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
Harden would be a great....
closer….and Marmol could go back to being what we really need him to be.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Nov 16, 2009 12:02 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I don't think Harden could pitch
on consecutive days, do you?
How will we ever know...
unless he actually tries?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Nov 16, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
I thought
the As tried, and he couldn’t?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Nov 16, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
You are correct,
the A’s did try using him out of the bullpen.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Nov 16, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
Then maybe he's our lights out long reliver....
I’m not to jazzed about another year of watching Harden pitch 4 good innings and one terrible one every 5 days.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Nov 16, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
time to say bye to Rich
The Cubs should wish him farewell, and use the money he would have received to pay for Granderson and shedding MB. Given his injury history, likely contract demands, the Cubs’ other needs AND the team’s tight payroll, I’m amazed at the support for bringing Harden back.
for $10 million?
If he can’t pick up the ball every five days, meh.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Nov 16, 2009 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
well, thank you
we’re going to see how this goes… :D
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Nov 16, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
I've heard that the A's tried it too.
However, I don’t know for how long, whether they gave it much a chance or whether he was doing the appropriate training for long enough to handle that type of role. I’ve been thinking he should close for a long time. I’d love to see it tried, but I kinda doubt he’d want to.
"Fasten those seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Nov 16, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
I'm ok with letting him go. People here smarter than me
made a good point that Lilly’s surgery actually makes it a worse idea to bring him back.
I would like DGU to expand on this comment: “Yes, he can be maddening, breaking down, but when healthy, he is the best pitcher in baseball.” That seems like quite a reach, especially considering this year, when he was supposed to be relatively healthy.
"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin
Harden - best pitcher when healthy
11 Ks per inning these past two years, a 1.06 WHIP last year, .67 HR/9 – Obviously Harden’s not “the best pitcher in baseball” in general because he doesn’t eat the innings, but if you could take one pitcher to pitch 6 innings and Rich Harden was healthy and ready to go – who would you pick ahead of him?
Is he traded yet?
Aaron Miles
You make excellent points. But the days when he is off and the wind is blowing out, you just wonder what is going on.
That being said, Harden is a good pitcher and deserves to be on a ML roster. If we can get a few guys in the pen who can throw more than an inning, I’d be all for re-signing him. I’d much rather have him than Gorzelanny in the rotation.
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
well, sure ...
But is Harden $9 million better than Gorzo?
Depends on what you do with Gorzo
I think Gorzo might be a trading chip for another team, or could be an excellent long relief option for when Harden pitches. I’m not an expert on the payroll, but if you can go get Granderson and Harden, I’m all for it
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
by Musicdude10 on Nov 16, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
it would be a helluva trick ...
getting Granderson, re-signing Harden AND trading Bradley — considering our payroll issues.
So if we were to pick 2 of the 3
I’d do Granderson and Bradley
The rotation still has me worried though
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
by Musicdude10 on Nov 16, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
here's my thinking ...
I don’t think it’s a stretch to assume the Cubs’ big-money starters — Z, Lilly and Dempster — will (en masse) replicate their 2008 success. It’s true that Lilly will miss a month, but he was pretty much terrible to start 2008. Meanwhile, I’m optimistic that one of Wells/Gorzo/Marshall and Shark will be a decent fourth starter, and I’m OK betting that one of the other three will be decent as a No. 5.
So I’d use the limited money we have to get rid of MB (maybe in a deal that gets us another starter, like Milwood, forgoing the need for Harden) and get Granderson, whom I think it a near perfect fit for the Cubs. He plays good defense, he’s a good guy and he’s left handed.
Now, I don’t think Granderson is a great baseball player — but that might actually work to the Cubs advantage. They probably have the players to deal for a very good player — who just happens to fit our needs — without dealing Castro or Vitters.
Getting Granderson, and hitting him fifth against righties provides the middle-order bad we’ve needed for years. Here’s the lineup:
Fukudome
Theriot
Lee
Ramirez
Granderson
Soriano
Soto
(second base)
We’re better defensively, we have better lineup balance AND our rotation is solid.
Getting Granderson, and hitting him fifth against righties provides the middle-order bad we’ve needed for years.
I thought we had PLENTyT of middle order bad… :D
Also…
Fukudome
Theriot
Lee
Ramirez
Granderson
Soriano
Soto
(second base)
I don’t know
THIRD BASE!
I was under the impression that Granderson didn’t provide the kind of power/protection that we wanted for Rami. Also, you’re not breaking up Lee and Rami the way Lou is going to want to, unless he’s had some kind of come to jeebus moment that I missed.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Nov 16, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
Why wouldn't Granderson provide the power/protection
As for breaking up Lee and Ramirez, I think the Cubs would be OK with a lefty bat in the No. 5 spot. Remember, that’s where they tried Milton and Kosuke. I think the big thing is not having 3-4-5 right-handed.
because he's not a power bat.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Nov 16, 2009 7:57 PM CST up reply actions
the same way 2007-2008 Soriano is?
or the same way 2009 Soriano is?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Nov 16, 2009 10:22 PM CST up reply actions
Here are some graphical (?) comparisons of Granderson and Soriano:
If you look at each of the last three years, it’s kind of a wash.
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
um ... he hit 30 HRs last year
Playing half his games in Comerica. How is that not a power bat? More importantly, how is Granderson LESS of a power bat than Bradley and Kosuke — the last two left-handed bats the Cubs tried in the five hole.
Finally, here’s more support for Granderson hitting fifth, http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2009/11/17/1161381/more-reasons-the-cubs-should-trade.
I like what I'm seeing here
But what happens when there’s a left hander on the mound? Fukudome and Granderson move out of the lineup. Just something that crossed my mind. Fuld is a good option but is it safe to put Baker in right?
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
This is why you'd have to re-sign Reed Johnson if you trade for Granderson.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
only if he'll take less money
than $3 million. He’s not worth that much to a team strapped for payroll.
Magglio Ordonez?
His contract may be the price of getting Granderson, anyway. He’s not an MVP any more, but he’s still pretty tough on LHP.
Oops, you said RHP
But Maggs was OK there – decent OBP (.360 in 2009) but not much pop (slg was .384). But with both Granderson and Fukudome, the first need is a plan against LHP.
my guess ...
Baker gets a lot of time in right in ST, to see if he can play there. Why Lou didn’t try him a few times in September is beyond me.
It looked like all the guests had checked out of the top floor of Lou's hotel in September.
Hope he comes back paying attention….
You play Granderson for his defense in CF
and live with his hitting problems. Move him out of 5th, though. Fukudome you platoon – RF is easiers to handle and his 2009 splits against lefties were even worse than Granderson’s.
So who do you hit fifth?
Can you count on Soto returning to form?
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
Yeah, hit Soto 5th
If he can’t hit LH pitching next year, the season is gone, anway. Some kind of comeback by Soto is part of any Cubs revival story – to at least hit .250 or a little more. If I were Hendry, hiring a personal trainer to visit Soto every day over the winter would be money well spent.
I don't know if this is true.
But if he does feel “overused” it really rubs me the wrong way. I also thought there was something weird about that thing at the end of the year where he shut himself down.
I voted let him go.
"Fasten those seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
Is anyone else reading this elsewhere?
This is the first I’d heard that Harden didn’t like Chicago. I was reading a lot of “Harden likes Chicago” and “Harden wants to come back” stuff.
Is he traded yet?
you are correct
Harden said repeatedly that he enjoyed Chicago, felt that the coaching staff and trainers worked very well with him, and that he felt like it was a great fit for him. Perhaps it was PR, but everything that has come out of his mouth has been complimentary towards the organization.
Sounds make up to me
He was hardly overused, in fact he was coddled a bit. As for poor defensive play, it was his wildness that killed him and most of the defense issues where on the infield. I seriously think the guy just decided to write was sounded good based on his own views.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 16, 2009 9:16 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed - I'm not buying that article.
And I, too, have a hard time believing Harden thinks his defense let him down. His big problems this year were walks and home runs, neither one of which involves the defense.
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
I saw that story, too
But even if he doesn’t feel overused, Harden just isn’t worth what he will get from arbitration. Since his first full season (2004), his peak in innings pitched was 148 last year. His peak number of starts was 26 this year. Basically, he guarantees that you will need at least one more high quality, proven arm in the bullpen, because he only averages 5+ per start and will miss at least 6-7 turns during the year – if he isn’t hurt and making 7 starts total.
Not worth the risk.
Can I answer both?
Happiness would be Hendry getting a gentleman’s agreement in advance with the Harden team that he won’t accept arbitration once offered.
This doesn’t have to be a big deal.
I don't think players do that.
Do they? Can you name any big-name free agent who’s done that?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Do I have a list?
No. But I’m pretty comfortable in the notion that it does happen.
by Damen Jackson on Nov 16, 2009 9:30 AM CST up reply actions
Why on earth would they?
It costs the player money in a very very real way, by lowering their value on the open market.
No not anymore
Team that loses a type B player gets a sandwich round pick but team that signs him gives up nothing.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 16, 2009 10:48 PM CST up reply actions
I Harden a "big-name free agent"?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Nov 16, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
You have a big...
…risk/reward with Harden, but I don’t believe the Cubs will have the dough to offer him arbitration with some of the other stuff they may want to do.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Any Player recommendation that starts with
3 sentences each with a “but” in them, is not a good recommendation.
I wouldn’t offer Harden salary arbitration. Harden only ranked as a Type B free agent. If you offer him arbitration, you’re on the hook for $10MM if he accepts. If Harden doesn’t accept, you don’t get enough free agent compensation to risk the arbitration.
Good points one and all.
I voted for the last option – mainly because, even though I want Harden back, I’m also cognizant of the budget constraints involved. Plus, his Type B status presumably takes the edge off the value of any draft picks the CUbs would get for offering arbitration. It’s up to you, Jim.
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
Saying goodbye to Alou was a mistake?
I can’t agree with that. Of all the miserable SOBs and lazy-ass ballplayers that have played for the Cubs, he was the all-time worst. I’d rather have Bradley or Hawkins or Farnsworth or Kingman on the team. Alou defined false hustle, and a foul ball in game six of the 2003 NLCS is the epitome of false hustle. He had no shot at that ball, hadn’t busted his ass after a fly ball all damn season, and throws a fit when some poor slob tries to make the play Alou couldn’t have made anyway. And the way Chip pronounced his name just annoyed the hell out of me; AHHHHHHH – lu. Its uh-lou. (off topic, – the CF for the Mets is Bel-TRAN, not "tron’ another pet peeve – sorry).
As far as I am concerned Hendry has made all good decisions on when to say goodbye to players. I was sad to see Woody go and the only problem I had with the DeRose trade was that I don’t think we quite got value back. I really hope we don’t end up with DeRo in 2010 - he doesn’t have a position and we really need to improve the fielding. I see no reason to bring Harden back – you need to back up with another starter for the dozen starts he’ll miss and you need to back him up with a reliever for the games he can’t get out of the fifth. I wish him well pitching for the Mariners or Brewers or whatever generic expansion team he ends up with.
"We gotta circle the bandwagons." - Devin Hester
You'd rather have Milton Bradley than Moises Alou?
Um, no.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
No way, Jose...
Your eyelids must have been closed from 2002-2004. Alou had 3 pretty good seasons here – averaged 25 HRs and 86 RBIs, and .283 /.353 /.484 giving him an OPS of .837 (OPS+ 115).
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
And that includes 2002...
… when he had an OPS of .757, missed 30 games, and nearly was booed out of town.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I don't get the 2003 NLCS reference.
That wasn’t really a “hustle” play. Alou was there, and he jumped, but there were several pairs of arms and hands in his way.
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
did Alou ...
say something mean about your mother, or something? Wow.
Oh, and...
… try telling people in Beltran’s native Puerto Rico that his name is pronounced “Bel-TRAN” and see how far that gets you with the locals.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Rich Harden will draw plenty of interest
When healthy Harden is an ace-caliber pitcher. Despite his durability issues there will be teams bidding for his services. Even in a bad economic climate for a lot of team.
Milwaukee and Houston are two teams to watch in the bidding. But I think he winds up with the NY Mets in the end.
"Cubs will win 79 to 83 games." BLou (7/21/09)
Mets won't risk it but the Red Sox might.
Mets have had too many pitchers blow up on them lately. They will make a push for Lackey and they should go for Marquis . Bet he would give them a hometown discount and they NEED innings eaters.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 16, 2009 10:50 PM CST up reply actions
Well.
John Lackey – Yankees
Arnoldis Chapman – Angels
Rich Harden – Mets
Jon Garland – Brewers
Jason Marquis – Rockies
"Cubs will win 79 to 83 games." BLou (7/21/09)
Like I said the Mets have been snake bitten
with a lot of bad/risky pitching pick ups and I don’t see them taking a risk on Harden. Heck I will buy a Big Gulp if Harden signs with the Mets.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 17, 2009 6:35 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed.
I’d go with Marquis to the Mets. He’d probably take a literal hometown discount to pitch there.
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
The Met's GM...
…is in the same group with Hendry, Toronto’s former GM and Dumbrowski. All have spent quite a bit of dough with not the greatest return and are all on the clock (the Toronto guy is already gone).
I highly doubt the Mets take a chance on Harden.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Just for the record
Toronto’s former guy is J.P. Riccardi
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
unless francis experiences a major setback
i dont think the rockies are going to resign marquis
"hey
by jesus christos on Nov 17, 2009 6:40 PM CST up reply actions
While I'm starting to become convinced Harden isn't worth the money...
to the Cubs, I still think he’s worth the money he’d make in arbitration in general. Given the way starting pitching is priced, the Cubs should at least offer him arbitration. If he accepts they’ll have an inexpensive yet dominant (when healthy) pitcher. That’s never a bad thing to have, as even if you don’t need it you can always find a taker. If he denies you get a draft pick.
It’s win-win to offer him arbitration, IMO.
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Nov 17, 2009 7:42 AM CST reply actions
I don't think he'd be "inexpensive".
As noted many times here, he’d likely get $10 million in arb. Can the Cubs afford that?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
And that question may be precisely
why Hendry wants to get the MB trade done before the December deadline – moreso than anything else.
Is he traded yet?
Close but no Cigar
I think Hendry needs to move Milton to clear up the CF position as in going after Cameron or Granderson etc. Milton will not be clearing money for Harden.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 17, 2009 6:37 PM CST up reply actions
Excellent point, DGU, about Hendry's
prescient releases/trades. I’m hoping Harden comes back, like you said, to combine 1-2 with Marshall.
red sox
seem to be the name that comes up when harden is mentioned..he is a bullpen killer and if the injuries resurface there goes 10 mill out the window.
didnt many say Red Sox want him in the bullpen tho?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
harden
in the bullpen??? that would be an awfully expensive relief pitcher. no he would surely be a starter for boston. if you want a 10 million dollar relief pitcher go get kerry from the tribe.
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