OT: Big Ten Football Thread, Nov. 21

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Nov 20, 2009 12:01 AM CST reply actions

Probably before most of you youngsters' time but...

every time I open this thread up and the above badger photo slowly appears (i.e. it takes a long time to load), I am reminded of the end of that old “People start pollution. People can stop it.” PSA where the Native American is standing there after somebody just threw a bunch of trash at his feet. Then he turns and faces the camera and a tear starts to roll down his cheek.

I keep expecting to see a tear running down Bucky’s face here…

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Nov 22, 2009 9:29 PM CST up reply actions

Who are you calling a "youngster" fella? ;)

I remember the ad. And based on what I see people chuck out of their cars nowadays, maybe the ad council needs to start running it again…

Now only 12,859 on the "Cubs Season Tickets Waiting List"...

by Zeke on Nov 23, 2009 6:31 AM CST up reply actions

After the 2003 upset of Ohio State:

Girlfriend, Me, roommate, friend, friend

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Nov 20, 2009 12:09 AM CST reply actions

I skipped a cousin's wedding to go to this game.

Best freakin’ night of my life, sports-wise. When they announced the Cubs had won and a cheer went up through the crowd I just knew the Badgers were going to pull it out.

by wallrock on Nov 20, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions

And then it all turned to crap

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Nov 20, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions

This is true

Still, better than that wedding – from what I hear it was a “dry” wedding. Inconceivable.

by wallrock on Nov 20, 2009 11:42 AM CST up reply actions

Oh what a night...

…i was one of the dozens of students who sprinted to Camp Randall after that game. One of the few times they closed off Regent Street for safety reasons

"Anyone on our team that thinks we are cursed will be moved to a lesser-cursed team"
-Tom Ricketts

by WiscoCubs on Nov 20, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions

Excellent first post. Welcome!

Go Badgers.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Nov 20, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions

Thanks.

Been visiting BCB daily for about two years, finally decided to join. I saw the topic, and then this pic and realized there would be no better opp for a first comment.

"Anyone on our team that thinks we are cursed will be moved to a lesser-cursed team"
-Tom Ricketts

by WiscoCubs on Nov 20, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions

Cool - join the discussions.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Nov 20, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions

I came up with this idea last week.

Welcome here!

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 20, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions

Love that view of the Camp Randall field.

A former co-worker of mine (and my father) was at this game … Lee Evans ran right by him when he scored the winning touchdown.

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 20, 2009 12:56 PM CST up reply actions

After the Minnesota victory thanks to the frosh kicker:

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Nov 20, 2009 12:15 AM CST reply actions

I remember watching this one on TV a few years ago.

Wildest ending to a football game I have ever seen.

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 20, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions

I was in the endzone where it all went down.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Nov 20, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions

I was watching it at HoChunk

by Mapmaker on Nov 20, 2009 4:05 PM CST up reply actions

At the Grand Canyon:

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Nov 20, 2009 12:15 AM CST reply actions

Something about this photo scares the poop out of me...

Fear of heights perhaps?

Now only 12,859 on the "Cubs Season Tickets Waiting List"...

by Zeke on Nov 23, 2009 6:32 AM CST up reply actions

Chillin' with Bucky:

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Nov 20, 2009 12:16 AM CST reply actions

Library Mall

One of the best places to hang out on those first warm days of Spring.

by wallrock on Nov 20, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions

And if you had any questions about who's gonna win this weekend:

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Nov 20, 2009 12:16 AM CST reply actions

This guy

Has something to say about that…

by Chadnudj on Nov 20, 2009 11:07 AM CST up reply actions

Red X guy?

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Nov 20, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions

Shoot...

…it works on my computer, but apparently not on yours. I’l see if I can fix it.

by Chadnudj on Nov 20, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions

Right-click on the Red X, and click "show picture".

He has posted several large pictures in this thread.

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 20, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions

Didn't work....

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Nov 20, 2009 12:08 PM CST up reply actions

I'll likely be in the Midwest next year for graduate school.

You and I absolutely MUST see a Badgers game together at some point.

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 20, 2009 12:11 PM CST up reply actions

Sounds good to me.

What are you going to be studying?

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Nov 20, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions

Political science

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 20, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions

Don't forget to vote in your own poll!

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Nov 20, 2009 12:41 PM CST up reply actions

Just did.

Wisconsin has two votes, every other school has none.

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 20, 2009 12:43 PM CST up reply actions

btw, the picture is a large Wisconsin "W"

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 20, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions

Nope.

Fact: Your Opinion is Wrong.

by northsider on Nov 21, 2009 9:31 PM CST up reply actions

Northsider sighting!

Dude, you’re alive!!!!

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 22, 2009 11:42 AM CST up reply actions

Yes I am.

And so is NORTHWESTERN.

Fact: Your Opinion is Wrong.

by northsider on Nov 22, 2009 11:50 PM CST up reply actions

The Big 10 can't compete anymore with conferences like the SEC and PAC-10.

Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.

by Cub Style on Nov 20, 2009 6:17 AM CST reply actions

Seriously?

You want to go there?

College football is cyclical — some years (like now, perhaps, although we’ll see when the SEC actually plays somebody in bowl season — Florida should be ashamed of its non-conference schedule) the SEC is tops. Some years its the Big 12, some years its the Big 10, some years its the Pac 10.

But the “can’t compete anymore” argument is completely unsupported by anything remotely resembling facts…..the Big Ten will rise again (and probably soon, given the youth on the rosters at OSU, Iowa, MSU, Michigan, Northwestern, etc.), and the SEC will hit a rough patch again….these things happen, which is why the whole “conference superiority” argument is a complete and utter joke.

by Chadnudj on Nov 20, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions

Never heard that before...

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Nov 21, 2009 12:43 AM CST up reply actions

So is this the "Post really really big Big10 pictures" thread?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Nov 20, 2009 9:03 AM CST reply actions

Yup.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Nov 20, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions

HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSIERRRRRSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Boiler down!

How do you get a purdue grad off your porch? Pay him for the pizza!

I can go on

"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher

by Musicdude10 on Nov 20, 2009 9:24 AM CST reply actions

I should ask my second cousin ... he's a Purdue grad, too.

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 20, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions

62-10

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

by carmen_fanzone on Nov 20, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions

Austin. Starr.

Lynch had to de-redshirt some kids who had never seen the field for that game. There were so many injuries on both sides of the ball

That game was brutal. I’m in the Hundred FWIW and sitting in the pur(don’t) endzone for those few hours was horrible

I did laugh when the drum broke

"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher

by Musicdude10 on Nov 20, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions

Should be a good weekend of football!

As a Northwestern grad, I do wish Wisconsin the best of luck this weekend. I’ve always had a bit of a soft spot for Wisconsin – it’s really my favorite Chicago suburb.

by HereComesASpecialBoy on Nov 20, 2009 10:17 AM CST reply actions

I would have thought Evanston would be, since it's not actually Chicago.

But you knew that, right?

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Nov 20, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions

Yep!

But Wisconsin just has a certain irrepressible charm, don’t you think?

by HereComesASpecialBoy on Nov 20, 2009 5:08 PM CST up reply actions

I'm a Badgers fan,

But I have a VERY soft spot for Northwestern.

My grandfather who died in May was, like you, a Northwestern grad. Best of luck to the Wildcats on Saturday.

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 20, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions

They seem to drive the Badgers crazy

no matter what the record

by Mapmaker on Nov 20, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions

AS AN IOWA FAN

Oklahoma State should have been upset last night, that would have helped the Big Ten land another team in the BCS. Go Hawks!

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Nov 20, 2009 10:45 AM CST reply actions

Floyd of Rosedale!

"I won't be like A-Rod" - Z, 3/17/09

by Ihatethecards on Nov 20, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions

In other news, Nike

steps up to pile on in Ann Arbor by debuting throwback unis for the Buckeyes showcasing new uni technology at the home of their former business partner. Tag line should be “Suck this adidas!”

I’ve never geared up to watch The Game with such low expectations for UM performance. I’ve arranged for the children to be sent away to avoid the risk of hurting their eyes and scarring their psyche.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on Nov 20, 2009 12:07 PM CST reply actions

Michigan is terrible

I was worried last week that Forcier would exploit a weak Wisconsin secondary. He did a little bit, but the team overall is just bad. There is very little that Michigan does well.

by dmlichte on Nov 20, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions

Their running game has promise

By the end of next year, Michigan will be bowl eligible. If they don’t give up on RichRod, they’ll win against OSU in 2 years

"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher

by Musicdude10 on Nov 20, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions

Their running game (Minor) and defense (Edwards) are already

using his senior year of eligibility. That and another year of experience from mediocre defensive talent doesn’t give them depth or make them good, just a little better. A little better may not get gashed by Eastern Michigan, but decent conference foes will still roll.

In two years the big richard will still prototype lineman for his system, but lineman too small for the Big 10.

I like the spread, provided a jumbo package is still possible at the goal line (see Illinois game) and a dynamic take away defense, provided it can stop the run (see every game).

Regardless of how you think the Big 10 compares to the SEC, it’s still big time football that deserves real x & o coaching. UM has a system recruiter and more time with him might bring success, but also risks a decade of current ND style garbage.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on Nov 20, 2009 4:40 PM CST up reply actions

Zeke, this is what I had in mind when I told you about the "Big Ten Football" thread last week.

To anyone, should I post threads like this during the college football season next year? This way, we can discuss college football here instead of turning Cubs game threads into college football threads.

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 20, 2009 12:07 PM CST reply actions

I don't see why not

Most of the August – September (and hopefully October) ones would get moved down the list quickly, but there’s not much going on right now other than rumors.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Nov 20, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions

Then I'd post them the day before the games, most likely.

On this thread, once you get past dtpollitt’s pictures in the comments, you see almost exactly what I had in mind when I came up with the idea for a Big Ten thread while talking with Zeke last Saturday.

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 20, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions

Yes.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Nov 21, 2009 12:43 AM CST up reply actions

Sorry. Just getting here.

I was out last night at the MSU-Toledo bb game and then had a bunch of work to do this am. Looks good.

GO GREEN! Beat PSU!
GO OSU! Beat the “little sisters”…

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by Zeke on Nov 21, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions

Hey, everybody:

Hit refresh on your browser. I have added TV listings for the games and attached a poll to see who everyone likes.

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 20, 2009 12:33 PM CST reply actions

Let's hear it for IU

the best 3-quarter team in the Big Ten this year.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Bill Potter on Nov 20, 2009 12:46 PM CST reply actions

Hopefully we'll recreate this scene tomorrow....

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

by carmen_fanzone on Nov 20, 2009 2:13 PM CST reply actions

just take solace knowing that when you're behind entering the 4th quarter

you have IU right where you want them.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Bill Potter on Nov 20, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions

LOL....

…and take solace in the fact that you’re a fumble away (by us) from staying in it the whole game. Should be interesting, I’m in no way guaranteeing a victory with my highly inconsistent football team.

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

by carmen_fanzone on Nov 20, 2009 3:24 PM CST up reply actions

You guys are just as bad as we are

And Indiana will continue to struggle as long as Bill Lynch is head coach.

Lynch emails this guy on a daily basis. They talk strategy, prospects, who to go after, who to start. The problem is that this guy is my buddy, who is a junior in the business school at IU. If your coach is relying on students for help, that’s a problem.

"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher

by Musicdude10 on Nov 20, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions

At least we beat Ohio State.....

…what’s your signature win this year? That nail biter against Eastern Kentucky?

3 conference wins > 1 conference win

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

by carmen_fanzone on Nov 20, 2009 4:57 PM CST up reply actions

"Perfect preparation prevents piss-poor performance."

“You will win on Saturday. You will have to do what we have planned to do all week, but essentially you will win because you are Ohio State and they will respect you for that. They know what we do and they will respect you, and I’ll tell you something else! That respect soon turns to fear, and by the time we’ve hit them three or four times in that first quarter they know they can’t win.”

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Nov 20, 2009 4:28 PM CST reply actions

I hate Ohio State.

I really do.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Nov 21, 2009 12:20 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs

"How to Win Friends and Influence Ballhawks"

by dtpollitt

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Nov 21, 2009 12:38 AM CST up reply actions

That reminds me!

I need to call you next year when dad and I are in Chicago. I wanna hang out and catch flies with you before a game some day. Go Buckeyes!

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Nov 21, 2009 12:40 AM CST up reply actions

Seriously though,

I hate Ohio State. More than any other team in sports. I have a MAURICE CLAURETT: AMERICA’S DUMBEST CRIMINAL t-shirt I can wear.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Nov 21, 2009 12:41 AM CST up reply actions

Fine. Feel your hate. Enjoy your hate. Embrace your hate.

I just don’t see what announcing your hate in direct response to me is supposed to accomplish.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Nov 21, 2009 1:04 AM CST up reply actions

I don't either.

I’m a Badgers fan too, but I don’t share that view about a college football team … not even Iowa.

The NFL, that’s a different story. Best not told here.

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 21, 2009 1:07 AM CST up reply actions

A large fat

SARCASM

might help accomplish this task!

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Nov 21, 2009 1:15 AM CST up reply actions

Ah yes, the ever-present need for a sarcasm font here.

Suggestions, anyone?

Graybar, perhaps?

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 21, 2009 1:37 AM CST up reply actions

Feel free to use this.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Nov 21, 2009 8:16 AM CST up reply actions

That works.

Just wonder if it will catch on quickly. Hope it does, because chilango2 and I once had an issue regarding sarcasm on my part, but he and I resolved said issue outside of the blog.

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 21, 2009 9:29 AM CST up reply actions

Do mine eyes see correctly?

Go Buckeyes!

Do you mean “Go Badgers”????

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 21, 2009 1:03 AM CST up reply actions

Here we go ...

Ohio State vs. Michigan and Minnesota vs. Iowa have both just started.

Best of luck to those four teams!

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 21, 2009 11:10 AM CST reply actions

Well, THREE of the four teams...

Heh, heh…

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by Zeke on Nov 21, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions

Yes, I know you love Michigan.

(wink wink)

So, what do you think of this thread?

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 21, 2009 12:24 PM CST up reply actions

Looks good. Thanks for doing it...

Is it 3:30pm est yet?

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by Zeke on Nov 21, 2009 12:25 PM CST up reply actions

About two hours away.

1:30 now.

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 21, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions

For those who love their Big 10 football but miss baseball...

…consider the following quote by Woody Hayes:

“That man could make me feel grown up when he said ‘Woodrow,’ and that’s what he always called me. Here’s a man who would sit in front of Denver Reed’s smokehouse and talk about pitching, and he pitched for twenty-two years. But he was a humble man. He never made himself look good. Never.”—on childhood acquaintance Cy Young

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Nov 21, 2009 11:24 AM CST reply actions

Sorry bh. I don't like speaking poorly of the deceased, but Woody was an a**hole. So was his protégé, Bo.

Both flunked out of Dale Carnegie…

But that’s what football is all about.

GO BUCKS! 14-3 at the moment just before halftime…

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by Zeke on Nov 21, 2009 12:25 PM CST up reply actions

In the other game,

Iowa is leading Minnesota 9-0 at the half.

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 21, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions

and you know this how?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Nov 21, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions

Firsthand experience with Bo which I won't detail here.

With Woody, he was so upset at MSU’s 1974 football upset of OSU, he personally blew the whistle on MSU ‘s to the NCAA alleging rules violations. He couldn’t win the game so he looked for another way to “get even” for losing to us.

This has been documented by several sources over the years, so it’s not something I’m imagining.

I’m not excusing anything MSU may or may not have done wrong in terms of following NCAA rules back then. If we broke them, and it appears we did, then we deserved what we got. But Woody took it upon himself to be the enforcer. He came off as self-righteous and petty.

But, he’s gone now, and so is Bo so may they rest in peace.

OSU 21- um 10; now in the 4th. Go Bucks!

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by Zeke on Nov 21, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions

Halftime Show!

Click below for your viewing and listening pleasure

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Nov 21, 2009 12:32 PM CST reply actions

Final scores from the early games:

Ohio State 21, Michigan 10

Iowa 12, Minnesota 0

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 21, 2009 2:15 PM CST reply actions

That's about what I figured it would be.

Thank you Buckeyes! The check’s in the mail.

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by Zeke on Nov 22, 2009 6:32 AM CST up reply actions

while waiting for the 2nd round of games, what do you think about Big 10 expansion?

Should they try to get that 12th team and split into two divisions, thus giving rise to a conference championship game and, yes, lots of money?

I’ve always felt kind of bad for Penn St. being so far away from all the other teams, so my personal choice for the 12th team would be Pitt. But I’d also love it if ND got down off their high horse and joined a conference – time to put up or shut up. Any others? Cincy perhaps? Maybe they pick off somebody from the Big 12? (Iowa St?) Or is it time for somebody in the MAC to step it up a bit – they currently have 13 teams?

And how would you split them up? In the B10East, seems like Mich, MSU, OSU and PSU would stay together – both from a geographical as well as rival perspective. Obviously Pitt would fit in nicely and probably ND or Cincy as well, but who would the 6th team be?

Likewise, Minn, Iowa, Wisc, NU and Illinois seem like a logical grouping. But again, who would the 6th team be?

What I don’t know is how big of a rivalry is Indiana vs Purdue? Is it huge, i.e. they have to be in same division, or could they be split up?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Nov 21, 2009 2:30 PM CST reply actions

I think ND might be the team that would join, if someone did.

ND already has historical rivalries with Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State and Purdue.

But I know that Indiana-Purdue is a big rivalry too.

Not sure how they would split the Big Ten up, even if they decided to do it.

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 21, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions

Perfect - 3 dvisions of 4 teams each!

B10 East – OSU, Mich, MSU, PSU
B10 Central – Ind, Pur, Ill, ND
B10 West – Minn, Iowa, Wisc, NU

3 division champs plus a wild card meet in conference semi-finals; winners meet for the Big 10 Championship

Finally – Illinois can hope again! ;-)

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Nov 21, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions

That makes perfect sense.

Thus, it will never happen.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Nov 21, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions

Yeah, they wouldn't want to do anything that would make sense, would they?

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 21, 2009 3:03 PM CST up reply actions

That might result in some teams playing each other twice during the year, however.

Not sure how the Big Ten would work that out while retaining the historical rivalries (Illinois-Northwestern, Michigan and Michigan State-ND, etc.).

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 22, 2009 11:50 AM CST up reply actions

Only in a championship game.

You’d probably play each team in your own division once (three games), then rotate three and two games vs. the other two divisions each year to get the (usual) complement of eight conference games.

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by Al Yellon on Nov 22, 2009 12:19 PM CST up reply actions

eh...

… the three division thing doesn’t make sense. If you want to have a big ten championship, thats fine, but a 4 team playoff for the division doesn’t make sense. Next year the Big Ten is playing conference games Thanksgiving weekend. Some teams may have a non-conference game as late as the first week of December (Wisc plays Hawaii, Illinois plays Fresno State this year on Dec 5th). Having said playoff would mean having games through mid December, into the finals of every Big Ten school and past the finals of schools on the quarter system. Lets not forget that these are still student athletes and most of them are not NFL bound.

Further, the above set-up puts the three historically dominant teams in the same division. There is no way OSU and Michigan ever agree to a set-up that would preclude the two of them from fighting for the same divisional spot in the conference, wild card or not.

by dmlichte on Nov 22, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions

Hmm.... I guess in addition to the sarcasm font, we need a selig font as well.

My three-division wildcard re-alignment was meant as a joke as well as a subtle dig at Bud Lite. Too subtle I guess.

I’d just be happy to get a 12th team in there and set up two divisions. Either keep the rivalries or split them up – doesn’t matter to me.

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by ballhawk on Nov 22, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions

For personal reasons I would not want

Iowa State in the Big 10. Leave them where they are. I do not want ND so leave them out too. Just leave it the way it is with 11 teams.

OK I don't know shit about basketball.

by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST

by sue369 on Nov 21, 2009 3:47 PM CST up reply actions

That idea has some merit, too.

And I don’t think the University of Chicago will rejoin the Big Ten anytime soon.

Especially since it’s been 70 years since Chicago left the Big Ten football conference to focus on academics.

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-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 21, 2009 8:10 PM CST up reply actions

I guess I didn't

know they were ever in the Big Ten.

OK I don't know shit about basketball.

by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST

by sue369 on Nov 22, 2009 7:24 PM CST up reply actions

They used to own the Big 10.

First Heisman Winner, 5 National Championships, etc. and a University pres in the 1930’s shut down athletics.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on Nov 24, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions

This is an interesting question ballhawk.

We’ve talked about this on campus over the last 30 years or so. ND makes sense, but they always came off as having an attitude of “too good to join the BT.” Would they ever give up their great NBC contract to join the “unwashed masses” of the rest of us poor Big Ten slobs? (And I say this with all affection for ND; my family had members attend St. Mary’s, and they were/are HUGE Notre Dame fans).

I don’’t see them doing it. So what other team might fit?

Pitt has been talked about as has Syracuse and Rutgers. But I don’t see any of them de-affiliating from their current conferences to migrate to the BT. So if ND is not in the mix, I really don’t know who else might fit. I will say this: Central Michigan could hold their own in football.

As for the divisional idea, I always played a two division scenario in my mind. I didn’t think about three. So that is intriguing. But MSU in the same division as OSU, PSU and u-m? Ugh. Can we have at least one “gimme” team in there other than us? OH WAIT! u-m is there! Never mind. I’m fine with having our little sisters in the same division.

BCB bonus points for anyone who gets the “little sister” reference.

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by Zeke on Nov 22, 2009 6:44 AM CST up reply actions

Watching your guys, Zeke.

They’re hanging tough in Happy Valley.

Northwestern is already leading Wisconsin 10-0. Come on, Badgers!!!!

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-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 21, 2009 3:04 PM CST reply actions

Sorry about this.

Go Wildcats!

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by Al Yellon on Nov 21, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions

I knew there was the chance that this could happen.

Good luck to your guys in this game. I’m following along on the Milwaukee Journal’s online blog.

50 seconds left in the first quarter. Wildcats 10, Badgers 0

Badgers might be driving, though.

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-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 21, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions

If you want to listen to the game...

WGN 720 is airing it on their website – linky

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Nov 21, 2009 3:24 PM CST up reply actions

Thanks ...

Just got it in time to hear Northwestern break a 59-yard kickoff return.

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-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 21, 2009 3:28 PM CST up reply actions

I maim to please!

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Nov 21, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions

Hey, this is the Northwestern broadcast!

Can I has Wisconsin Badgers radio feed?

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-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 21, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions

man, do I have to do everything for you? ;-)

try this – linky

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Nov 21, 2009 3:50 PM CST up reply actions

Oh, too late.

Seems there’s not much to be happy about for red and white today.

We’ll right the ship two weeks from now in Hawaii.

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-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 21, 2009 5:55 PM CST up reply actions

Green and white either...

On to basketball and the IZZONE!

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by Zeke on Nov 22, 2009 6:45 AM CST up reply actions

Badgers scored a touchdown.

Northwestern 10, Wisconsin 7

And the Wildcats just fumbled it away.

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-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 21, 2009 3:18 PM CST up reply actions

Don't apologize for that.

Especially if you went to the school!

"You just don't know understand how frustrating this is"- Kevin Borseth

by TkGoUWGB on Nov 22, 2009 8:11 AM CST up reply actions

Too bad the defense that played the last 2 minutes against Iowa had to come out of the locker room at halftime instead of the guys that played the first half.

Ugh. It was over in a hurry.

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by Zeke on Nov 22, 2009 6:28 AM CST up reply actions

Touchdown, Badgers!!!!!

Wisconsin 14, Northwestern 10

Sorry Al.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 21, 2009 3:22 PM CST reply actions

Usual Wisconsin-Northwestern game.

Wildcats just took a 17-14 lead.

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-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 21, 2009 3:32 PM CST reply actions

Nice win for Iowa today.

Now the injured guys can get healed up and get ready to play in January.

GO HAWKS!!!

OK I don't know shit about basketball.

by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST

by sue369 on Nov 21, 2009 3:52 PM CST reply actions

Congrats sue on a good year.

I have to wonder how our season MIGHT have played out IF we had held on to win our game against the Hawkeyes…

…sigh.

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by Zeke on Nov 22, 2009 6:46 AM CST up reply actions

Thanks Zeke.

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by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST

by sue369 on Nov 22, 2009 7:25 PM CST up reply actions

As it happens I am wearing my Northwestern 1996 Rose Bowl

Sweat Shirt today. Way to go PURPLE.

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Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Nov 21, 2009 5:47 PM CST reply actions

Excellent game today at Ryan Field!

Is there a potential top-25 ranking in the works for Northwestern? Somebody say yes!!!

by HereComesASpecialBoy on Nov 21, 2009 5:49 PM CST reply actions

Badgers fan here,

But I must offer my congrats to Northwestern today. Wish I could have tracked the whole game online, but I had to go in to town.

When I left, Northwestern was leading 24-14.

I honestly don’t think Northwestern will get a top 25 ranking. But I do think they may get votes to rank in the top 25 after today.

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-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 21, 2009 6:01 PM CST up reply actions

Sure they beat Iowa and Wisconsin

but the Syracuse loss hurt them pretty bad. With how bad Eastern Michigan ended up this year, it’s hard to ignore how close that game shouldn’t have been. Great season though nonetheless.

"You just don't know understand how frustrating this is"- Kevin Borseth

by TkGoUWGB on Nov 22, 2009 8:13 AM CST up reply actions

NW at 8-4? Sounds Top 25 to me.

At least MSU beat one decent team this season…

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by Zeke on Nov 22, 2009 6:49 AM CST up reply actions

Well, I appreciate everyone who came in here to discuss the games!

Just happened too late during the season.

Do you want me to post Big Ten Football Threads next year at this time?

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 21, 2009 8:47 PM CST reply actions

Nah... we should be wrapping up the NLDS right about this time next year, getting ready for the NLCS...

…cause you know every time Bud says he’s going to “fix” something – in this case, too many off days in the playoffs – he ends up making it worse.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Nov 21, 2009 10:21 PM CST up reply actions

How very true.

That’s why he’s called Bad Selig. Everything he tries to fix only gets worse.

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-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 21, 2009 11:23 PM CST up reply actions

Why stop now? Basketball season is upon us.

About the time the NCAA crown is awarded in April, it’ll be opening day for the Cubs! Timing seems about right to me ;)

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by Zeke on Nov 22, 2009 6:51 AM CST up reply actions

Sure. I enjoyed it.

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by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST

by sue369 on Nov 22, 2009 7:26 PM CST up reply actions

Ugh.

I’ll shut up now. Can we get Barry to come out of retirement?

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by dtpollitt on Nov 21, 2009 11:37 PM CST reply actions

Not a surprise

Aside from losing in Evanston again, the Badger secondary has been poor all year and yesterday a team really picked them apart in every facet. I’ve seen Fenelus, Smith, Henry et al play horribly all season and Kafka exploited them to the fullest yesterday. What I did not expect was such a bad game from Isaac Anderson, who dropped a perfect pass to start the game then made no effort to go up for the ball that ended being the int to end the game. Also some real questionable play calling from Chryst, especially the 4th and 2… put it in the hands of Clay!

Tolzien actually had a pretty nice game and I am excited about his prospects, but if the secondary can’t improve for 2010, it won’t matter.

by dmlichte on Nov 22, 2009 9:21 AM CST up reply actions

OK, so I have to say I'm surprised.

I’m the only MSU vote in the poll? The lone voice in the wilderness? The only guy standing tall for a mediocre 6-6 team? Blick :P

Well, at least we get to turn our collective attention to basketball and hockey now. GO GREEN!

We get Valpo today! (sounds like a dog food…)

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by Zeke on Nov 22, 2009 6:31 AM CST reply actions

You voted for Michigan State?

You should have said something, I had no idea you liked them! ;)

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-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 22, 2009 11:52 AM CST up reply actions

Oh what might have been.....

1. Played Oregon tough on the road before losing in the final moments
2. Choked against NW after having a 21-3 lead at home
3. Looked horrible against N.Illinois and lost at home
4. Went back and forth before finally losing to MSU because of bad special teams play
5. Choked late against Notre Dame

But, hey…
1. Only team to beat OSU in conference
2. First win at Michigan in 40 years (I don’t care how bad they are, it’s significant)
3. A 4-4 record in BT play after being picked by many to finish in 11th place
4. And this comes back to West Lafayette:

So there’s cause for optimism next year…

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by carmen_fanzone on Nov 22, 2009 7:24 AM CST reply actions

Big 10 expansion

My two cents worth: ND will never join. They have too much wrapped up in their football contract with NBC. But, they try and compete in the Big East for hoops, where they will always struggle. Having it both ways seems to be working out for them. Plus, ND does not fit the academic profile of Big Ten schools, with the exception of Northwestern. Where NU has them in the number and quality of graduate schools. NU may be small, but they pack a might academic punch. It is well known the league presidents would only take a school that has a large academic footprint.
I’d look for expansion into the East coast for the Big Ten. Pitt is logical, but it doesn’t have the media market desired. Rutgers does. And, it is a large school, with a good history of research. With PU and Rutgers the Big Ten would extend all the way from Philly to NYC.
A few other possibilities exist in the Midwest. There are grumblings that Mizzou, ISU, or Nebraska are all growing discontented with the Oklahoma/Texas centric Big 12. Of those schools only Mizzou would bring in good media exposure through St. Louis and KC markets. Plus Mizzou already has a rivalry with Illinois. They had some good hoops tilts with Iowa in the 80’s and 90’s. They would fit nicely.

by Nibbles on Nov 22, 2009 9:15 PM CST reply actions