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Wouldn't it be great to see Greg Maddux as the pitching coach?

I mean he practically did that when he was playing for the Cubs anyway. And his command and knowledge that he has of the game could help improve an already good rotation.  Larry Rothschild is a good coach but I think it's time for new blood to shake it up a bit.C'mon Ricketts at least look into Maddux for the future of Cubdom.

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i never understand the sports logic of good player correlates to being a good coach. plus i dont think he has any interest in coaching. any time someone in the media would ask him if he was mentoring the younger pitchers on the team he didnt seem to keen to that idea.

by TJ3117 on Nov 22, 2009 5:45 PM CST reply actions  

Really?

The logic seems pretty simple — he was incredibly good at what he did, therefore he should be able to give some knowledge to guys that aren’t as good.

I’d love to see Maddux as pitching coach. Doubt it’ll happen though.

When (I’m assuming it’s a when, not an if) Ryno takes over, how cool would it be to have Maddux as pitching coach, and Grace/Dawson as bench/hitting coaches?

by kanderber on Nov 22, 2009 6:37 PM CST up reply actions  

It would be cool only if they would be good at their jobs. I don't want to see a bunch

of ex-cubs handed jobs simply because their fan favorites. Maddux, I think, would make a marvelous coach. He was never blessed with tremendous ability. He made his living more out of his knowledge of the game and his craft than his innate ability. That can be imparted to others.

"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin

by davidalanu on Nov 22, 2009 6:51 PM CST up reply actions  

so

michael jordan could be the greatest nba coach of all time? how come wayne grerzky’s coyotes teams were so terrible?

by TJ3117 on Nov 22, 2009 7:02 PM CST up reply actions  

have to have talent to coach it

and the Coyotes didnt have much.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Nov 22, 2009 8:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Really?

During his 2nd stint in Chicago, a lot of the younger pitchers like Zambrano said that Maddux was definitely a mentor for them. Also, it’s not that Maddux was just a talented player, he was literally one of the smartest pitchers of all time (obviously no metric for that). He got by on sub-par stuff towards the end of his career simply with his pitching intelligence and location.

Not saying he wants to manage, but he definitely has a lot of qualities of a great pitching coach.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Nov 22, 2009 7:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Most of the time...

…the great players who fail as coaches are the ones who relied mostly on raw talent, and I wouldn’t put Maddux in that crowd.

Maddux clearly got the most out of what physical abilities he had, but he had to think his way through to achieve what he did, and I think he could transfer that to other pitchers.

On another note, Maddux doesn’t strike me as someone who would have interest in the day to day grind of being a pitching coach, but I could be wrong.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Nov 25, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually Maddux LOVED the day day grind of baseball

He always said he liked the days he was not pitching as much as the days he was because he could talk pitching and shag balls. He would sit on the bench surrounded moslty by fellow pitchers during the game where he would “call the the game”. I think he loved nearly everything about the game, from playing to watching to screwing around the clubhouse. I think the problem would be that as a manager or coach he could no longer be one of the boys but I think he could figure a way to deal with it.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Nov 27, 2009 5:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Jessica would have a better answer

But, Maddux, right now wants to spend time with his HS age kids. He did some minor coaching with the Pads, Spring Training 2008 — but that was it for him.

He didn’t rule anything out for the future when his kids are grown.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Nov 22, 2009 7:01 PM CST reply actions  

I’m may be wrong here but I thought the 2nd time around with the Cubs there was at least one pitcher who said he had been mentoring them or him…???

"When I was younger, I could remember anything, whether it had happened or not." --Mark Twain

by cooliogirl47 on Nov 22, 2009 7:08 PM CST reply actions  

Maddux helped a number of pitchers on the Cubs

but he was closest to Marshall or rather Marshall was closest to him. Matt Murton also hung around him for hitting advice because Murton was smart enough to know that Maddux knew as much about hitting as he did about pitching.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Nov 22, 2009 10:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for that, and the post below…thought it was Dempster…..I would also love to see him here as a coach…but alas, family first.

"When I was younger, I could remember anything, whether it had happened or not." --Mark Twain

by cooliogirl47 on Nov 22, 2009 10:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Dempser and Maddux were good friends

they had adjoining lockers and apparently a similar sense of humor ( farting contests). I am sure they talked about
pitching etc but Marshall and Murton hung around Maddux like puppies. A lot of people assume that Maddux would not make a good coach because very few pitchers will ever have his kind of control and brain power but the genius of Maddux is that he sees so much more of the game than anyone else which is why he could mentor a 6-7 lefty and a position player. ( As a matter of trivia it was Maddux who “gave” Murton his " Orange Guy" nick name). Heck if Maddux could just teach ALL THE CUBS how to BUNT it might be as useful as teaching them a change up.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Nov 22, 2009 10:57 PM CST up reply actions  

IIRC

It was Rich Hill

"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher

by Musicdude10 on Nov 23, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

No, it was Marshall.

See Doggie Stalker’s comment above.

Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.

by daver on Nov 23, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

He was offering advice to young Cubs and Padres pitchers

…when he was asked, but he wasn’t usurping the authority of the pitching coaches of both teams.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Nov 22, 2009 7:12 PM CST reply actions  

I believe it was Dempster

"When I was younger, I could remember anything, whether it had happened or not." --Mark Twain

by cooliogirl47 on Nov 22, 2009 7:46 PM CST up reply actions  

This post needs a better title.

“Here’s a thought” doesn’t tell anything about the contents.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Nov 22, 2009 8:55 PM CST reply actions  

Sorry I am late but I missed this

Maddux would make an amazing pitching coach. His entire career is filled with kudos from fellow pitchers whom he helped. I am not going to give you the literally hundreds of stories I have read but here is one link I have posted many times. The Brad Penny story is priceless. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=3336514&type=story. Sadly no longer on line is an even better story on the subject of Maddux as mentor which was published in the Des Moines Register in April of 06 with various Cub farm hands including Fontenot and Soto telling amazing anecdotes of Maddux. I think the thing that sums it up best was that when he played for the Braves there was a phrase that “you could not drive through Atlanta without leaning how to throw a changeup.” However Maddux as a pitching coach would probably be a waste. Maddux sees the WHOLE game and would very likely make one the great managers if he chose to pursue it. Maddux himself has said that his preference would be to be a BENCH coach which makes a lot of sense.
However don’t hold your breath. Maddux seems to be very much enjoying his "Mr. Mom " role of dropping off the kids of at school, picking them up and playing golf in between. He appears to be attending every sporting event in the greater Las Vegas area and doing a number of charity events. Last year he worked for the Padres as a pitching advisor in Spring Training, my guess is that he will almost certainly end up working for the Braves sooner rather than later with the only hitch being that they train in Florida. I expect he will do the special advisor thing for a few years and may consider full time baseball work when his son goes to college. Obviously he won’t do it for the money but I think he misses baseball and besides he is VERY, VERY competitive with his brother Mike so he can’t let Mike get all that credit for helping the Rangers without wanting to try to beat him with a team of his own.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Nov 22, 2009 10:20 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

thanks for the link

that was a fun read

"Fasten those seatbelts"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Nov 23, 2009 7:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd.

vosot2003: Here’s the answer your question.

Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.

by daver on Nov 23, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Wonderful article, Jessica.

Thanks :)

"I lof to hit de home ron!"

by Tekboy on Nov 23, 2009 1:09 PM CST reply actions  

One more story on point

Alas I can’t find the original but I did post this on the old blog a few years ago. Some “fan” wrote in to one of the ESPN guys ( I think Neyer) claiming that Maddux was overrated for helping young pitchers and Neyer received a response from an MLB pitcher who wanted to remain anonymous but might well have been Marquis. The pitcher said he had been at Spring Training with Maddux in I think 2002 with the Braves and that Maddux spend hours helping the young pitchers without being intrusive. The guy said he learned more in a week from Maddux than in his entire professional career up to that point.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Nov 23, 2009 3:31 PM CST reply actions  

wow what a guy

If he needs to be Mr Mom…I wonder if he’s coaching his kids?

"When I was younger, I could remember anything, whether it had happened or not." --Mark Twain

by cooliogirl47 on Nov 23, 2009 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I liked the bit at the bottom of that article

“Root root root for the home team”, hillarious

"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher

by Musicdude10 on Nov 25, 2009 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

I liked the Rick Telander quote about Pinella

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is." -- Yogi Berra

by vonde6 on Nov 27, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

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