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I'm not exactly looking to start a series or anything here, but the Hot Stove has been pretty luke warm at this point. I'm looking for some reading while I'm at work.

 

I'm a college student, so my only memories of Ernie Banks are of him singing the 7th inning stretch and such. I've met him a few times at the Cubs conventions but don't know much about his impact on the game, who he was, etc. I know there are tons of readers on here who know a lot about Mr. Cub and the legacy and standard for what a model professional baseball player should be. I'm looking to find out more about who he was, what kind of player he was. I'm not writing a biography, but he seems like a cool guy to know more about.

 

I do have a cool story about him. My dad, who was kind of heavy set as a kid, used to live on the south side when it wasn't as bad as it is now, and he and Ernie's son went to school together. They actually had the same bus stop. His son used to get dropped off at the stop, sometimes by Ernie. So I took my dad (admittedly a Sox fan) to the Cubs convention a few years ago and we were in line for Ernie. We got up there and he said "Mr. Banks, I'm not sure if you remember me, but your son and I used to have the same bus stop." Ernie looked at him for a few seconds and said, "You were that fat kid! Hi! How are you?" I just laughed.

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A really good place to start...

… would be the profile I wrote about Ernie for the BCB top 100 series two years ago. Here’s an excerpt that tells you something about how great a player Ernie was:

From 1955 through 1960, he hit forty or more home runs five times in six seasons. Since then — a span of forty-six seasons — only Sammy Sosa, Ken Griffey Jr., Harmon Killebrew and Alex Rodriguez have accomplished that feat; Hall of Famers such as Willie Mays and Henry Aaron, Banks’ contemporaries, never did. In 1955, he hit five grand slams, a record that stood for thirty-two years (and still stands as the NL record). The climax to all this production was the back-to-back MVP awards he won in 1958 and 1959, the first time a National Leaguer had won two in a row.

Looking back on those awards from a 2007 perspective, they are even more impressive than they must have seemed at the time. The Cubs were mediocre clubs both those seasons — losing 82 games and finishing 20 games out of first place in ’58, losing 80 and winding up a closer, but still poor, 13 games behind in ’59. But Ernie dominated. In 1958 he led the league in: games, at-bats, SLG, total bases, HR, RBI and extra-base hits, and finished second in OPS, and for good measure, second in triples with 11, though he was never much known for having any baserunning speed. He got sixteen of the possible 24 first-place MVP votes. He became only the third Cub to hit forty homers in a season, after Hack Wilson and Hank Sauer, and it would take another twelve years (until Billy Williams hit 42 in 1970) for anyone else to join that exclusive club (since joined by Dave Kingman, Andre Dawson, Ryne Sandberg, Sammy Sosa and Derrek Lee).

Check out the rest of the link. I think I did a pretty good job on Ernie’s life and career.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Nov 25, 2009 12:27 PM CST reply actions  

I want to read that

….another big chair, rainy day and a couple cups of coffee thing….. How would I pull that up later….just do a search on EB?

"When I was younger, I could remember anything, whether it had happened or not." --Mark Twain

by cooliogirl47 on Nov 25, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

You could, or...

… just look on the left sidebar where all the top 100 profiles are.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Nov 25, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

oh....I didnt know I could click on that

"When I was younger, I could remember anything, whether it had happened or not." --Mark Twain

by cooliogirl47 on Nov 25, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Read all 100 of 'em when you have time.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Nov 25, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

thanks I will..

Your clock says 131 days left….. if I read one a day….. great way to spend the off-season! thanks again

"When I was younger, I could remember anything, whether it had happened or not." --Mark Twain

by cooliogirl47 on Nov 25, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I have some other projects about Cub history...

… that will be posted here soon. Nope, not telling what they are. But I think everyone will be pleasantly surprised.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Nov 25, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Re: top 100 Cubs

…..so far I’ve read the top 2 and I think I’m missing something about “Cap” Anson….I dont get the Cub connection?? He’s #2 and has never been a Cub? I think I’m wrong but I dont know where. I’ve gone over the story….????

"When I was younger, I could remember anything, whether it had happened or not." --Mark Twain

by cooliogirl47 on Nov 28, 2009 7:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, you're missing something.

The Cubs franchise goes back to 1876. Anson was its first star. They weren’t called “Cubs” at the time, but it is undeniably the same team.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Nov 28, 2009 8:45 PM CST up reply actions  

ok, thanks...BTW...I'm really enjoying the profiles

…I hope its alright to ask a question or two, here or there…… I realise I dont know as much as most here….but I’m addicted to this site and its just my nature to put in a comment now and then :) Mostly I’m learning lots of stuff.

"When I was younger, I could remember anything, whether it had happened or not." --Mark Twain

by cooliogirl47 on Nov 28, 2009 9:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Ask questions any time

Glad you are enjoying the profiles.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Nov 29, 2009 8:57 AM CST up reply actions  

ok, here's my question...

do you ever adjust the rankings? For example, let’s say DLee and/or ARam get a few more very productive years under their Cubs belt. Would that be enough to move them up a few notches?

I suppose Z is another possibility but I’m less confident he could turn it up enough to warrant a readjustment.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Nov 29, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I haven't adjusted them since that was done three years ago.

I’ve thought about doing an updated list. Maybe next offseason.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Nov 29, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Never met Ernie Banks.

I just watched the joy with which he played the game. That was enough for me. It helped turn me into the baseball fan (and Cub fan) I am today.

by MN exile on Nov 25, 2009 12:41 PM CST reply actions  

I only saw him late in his career

By that time, he wasn’t the same player and was rightfully overshadowed by other 1st basemen like Willie McCovey. To see Banks’ greatness you need to look at the late ’50 seasons and consider he was a shortstop putting up those numbers. No other shortstop was close.

If he had better health and durability, he would likely be mentioned in the same breath as his contemporaries Willie Mays and Hank Aaron as an upper echelon Hall of Famer.

by rlpete on Nov 25, 2009 1:04 PM CST reply actions  

Correct.

As my profile of him points out, had he not suffered the injuries, he would likely have hit well over 600 HR… and possibly threatened Lou Gehrig’s consecutive games record, too.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Nov 25, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Ken Griffey, Jr.

Griffey’s had a longer career than Mr. Cub, but there is one strong similarity with their careers. Griffey in his first stint with the Mariners was a truly great player. If you didn’t see Griffey back then, you didn’t see the great Ken Griffey, Jr. Injuries have plagued him ever since 2000. He’s had some good years (2005, 2007) but no great years since his very first year with the Reds.

Looking at Mr. Cub, as noted above, you had to have seen him in his shortstop days of the 1950’s to have seen the truly great Ernie Banks. Yeah, I know he had some good years at first base, but he was nowhere near the first baseman that he was a shortstop.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Nov 25, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Had Griffey not been injured...

… he might have broken the season HR record before McGwire did, and he would have had a real shot at the career record.

By my rough estimate, injuries cost Griffey approximately 1400 at-bats before he was 34 — the years before he would have started a natural decline. During his prime years, Griffey was hitting about one HR per 11 or 12 AB. Do the math — that’s somewhere around 120 HR lost to injury, and that’s just a guess.

120 more career HR now would give Griffey 750 — and a shot at breaking the record in 2010.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Nov 25, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Who was Mr. Cub?

Some old timers will tell you he was a mighty colossus, a veritable mountain of bone and muscle with white hot flames for eyes, shoulders wide enough to park a bus on, and hands like steel traps. His mere presence in the batter’s box made hard bitten veteran pitchers quake in their cleats and sob like babies. His blistering line drives reduced brawny third basemen to quivering blobs of jello, and it’s said that he once brought down a small plane with one of his majestic home runs. He swam across Lake Michigan and back every day, wrestled tornadoes for relaxation, ate more hot dogs every day than Babe Ruth ate in his whole life, and kilt a grizzly b’ar when he was three. Of course, they’re probably exaggerating; I’m almost positive he was four when he killed that grizzly.

by Mike Vails Evil Twin on Nov 25, 2009 1:38 PM CST reply actions  

You forgot to mention

that when Banks swam across Lake Michigan every day it was uphill…both ways.

"I'd rather hit home runs you don't have to run as hard." -- Dave Kingman

by BucknerKongCardenal on Nov 25, 2009 10:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Ernie was Ted

before Ted was Chuck?

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Nov 26, 2009 1:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Ernie Banks...

… and NOT Sammy Sosa…

…will forever be remembered as Mr. Cub.

by TheHawkRules on Nov 25, 2009 3:23 PM CST reply actions  

Has anyone

Ever suggested that Sammy would ever be remembered as “Mr. Cub”?
I’m thinking that would cause some hugh controversy.

"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"

by StevenABQ on Nov 25, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Divine Brown

That was a Hugh controversy…

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Nov 25, 2009 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Errr

Sorry THR -
Just realized you were making reference to breaking Banks HR record.

"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"

by StevenABQ on Nov 25, 2009 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

A lot of people have...

Especially before ’03…

But people still do. The “pro-Sammy” crowd.

by TheHawkRules on Nov 25, 2009 5:06 PM CST up reply actions  

i would put Ryno ahead of Sammy in the Mr Cub Sweepstakes

but no one can replace Mr Cub as long as Mr Cub is alive.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Nov 25, 2009 5:45 PM CST up reply actions  

The only other Cub who could possibly be called Mr. Cub

is Ron Santo. Both represent the two very distinct types of Cubs fans. Ernie is part of the old-school crowd who wants the Cubs to win, even very strongly, but if they don’t, “Aw shucks, we’ll get ’em tomorrow.” or “Wait till next year!” Santo represents my type of Cub fan: The “OOOOOOOHHHHHHHHH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRHHHHHH!!!!!” type of fan who loses sleep over losses. Both are Mr. Cub in their own way.

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Nov 25, 2009 6:43 PM CST up reply actions  

You hit in the button, CTC .. Ernie was the nicest gentleman you'll ever meet

We ran into him as he was sitting in the stands at Wrigley in 1977 before a game. Me and my four brothers and my dad went to a game in spring of that year. My father immediately recognized him and we walked through the amazingly spare crowd there and waited only a few seconds as he finished chatting with another couple of Cub fans.

He had that million dollar and yet heartfelt smile. That’s what I remember. He wasn’t some ex-baseball player who avoided fans whatsoever. He wasn’t hiding behind the Frains. Ernie was a class act, graciously signed our stuff and hoped we’d have a good time at Wrigley, chatting easily with my dad. I was just standing there in 16 year old awe.

From what I understand, he hasn’t changed a bit.

I was so glad to see that statue of him erected outside Wrigley. While Santo and Sandberg are men who some day should get their own statues, I think, Mr. Cub will forever be Ernie. Cut them and they bleed Cubbie blue. But Ernie is the man for whom that title will forever be well bestowed. No one could put a better face to the heart and soul of the Chicago Cubs then Mr. Banks.

I realize every generation has to have their icon and Ryno certainly will carry the torch very well indeed – he’s kind of a temperamental cross breed of both Ron and Ernie. But Ernie is Mr. Cub. No question.

Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we will go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..

coda

ELO, 1975

by cubnational on Nov 26, 2009 7:35 AM CST reply actions  

References which might be of help

Sir Linkalot

Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -

by eths on Nov 26, 2009 8:57 AM CST reply actions  

It was June 1959...

I was nine years old and had just spent 18 days in a northwest Indiana hospital following emergency surgery. Ernie Banks was going to sign autographs at the only local sporting goods store. Everyone in the neighborhood wanted to go. Our parents took us there and it was a mob scene. My mom freaked… worried that I would get hurt again. I don’t know who she talked to, but he next thing I knew was I was called to the side and Mr. Cub and I were face to face. He flashed the smile, gave me a personalized autograph and I was hooked for life.

by 3fingerbrown on Nov 26, 2009 8:06 PM CST reply actions  

Banks and injuries

I only remember the last year and a couple of fractions of his career, and I was a little kid… but compare these three seasons:

Player A: .266/.320/.452, 24 HR, 95 OPS+
Player B: .247/.287/.469, 32 HR, 118 OPS+
Player C: .313/.366/.614, 47 HR, 156 OPS+

At least one of these is Ernie Banks, and at least one is not.

Player C is obviously Banks, his first MVP season.
Player A is Corey Patterson’s best season,

Player B is Ernie Banks, 1968. That is his best season of his last eight full seasons. Amazingly, he came in 13th in the MVP voting. This was the first season with the lowered mounds.

Banks moved to 1B in 1962. He was never the same hitter after that. But his persona and personality continued to grow.

It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??

by Invalid User on Nov 27, 2009 8:20 PM CST reply actions  

1968...

… was NOT the first season with the lowered mounds — in fact, the mounds were lowered in part in reaction to 1968, which was known as “The Year of the Pitcher”.

The entire National League hit .243/.300/.341 in 1968 (comparison point: when the mounds were lowered in 1969, and with expansion, the NL jumped to .250/.319/.369). Banks’ 32 HR were third in the league and his 83 RBI were eighth. His OPS ranked 18th and OPS+ ranked 19th; the 13th place MVP finish wouldn’t be unexpected with those numbers.

You’re right that Ernie was never the same hitter after he moved to 1B — not because of the move, but because of serious knee injuries.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Nov 28, 2009 8:47 AM CST up reply actions  

I should have read ahead

good response, Al.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Nov 29, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, 1968 was the year Drysdale broke the consecutive shutout innings record

And Gibson put up that 1.12 ERA with 13 shutouts, but was still only 22-9. Whenever a hitter got a base hit that year, they gave him the ball to remember it by……

by ClarkFan on Nov 29, 2009 8:05 PM CST up reply actions  

The all star game was 1-0

and the one run was unearned I think. Only one hitter in the AL hit over .300.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Nov 30, 2009 5:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Corrections

1. The mounds were lowered after the 1968 season after the complete dominance by pitchers.
2. The move to 1B was due to injuries and those injuries explain the drop in his offensive numbers, not the move itself.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Nov 29, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

I got to meet him in 6th grade

He came to enroll his daughter Jan in my class and I was taken out of class and brought literally to the princible’s office but in a good way. I was not sure what was going on but they said , " Mr. Banks we want you to meet our biggest Cub fan" . Ernie gave me an autograph I still have somewhere. It was a big thrill.

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Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Nov 28, 2009 9:46 PM CST reply actions  

I met him twice

Ernie made an appearance at Sears on Harlem and North when I was in grade school. I got his autograph on a baseball and I thought I was in heaven. A couple of years later we needed a baseball and I sent a buddy in to my apartment to get one. He somehow grabbed the Banks autograph ball and we played with it for an hour before I realized which ball we were using. I cried for an hour! In the mid=70’s Ernie made an appearnace in Jacksonville IL where I was teaching. He was there to speak at the Rotary Club that night and they asked around a couple of schools to see who would host an impromptu clinic in their gym. I was supposed to have basketball practice that day but readily agreed to give up the gym for Ernie. I didn’t know at the time that the Cardinal fans in the school would get so upset. I sat in the Principal’s office and talked with Ernie as he got dressed in his cub’s uniform. Everything was great until he asked me how often I went to Wrigley. When I told him that I hadn’t been there in 3=4 years he got real quiet, kind of sad, and my stomach hit the floor. Then he gave me the big “Ernie” smile and said “you can’t afford to go on the salary you make here?” When I said that was the reason he hoped I could make some day soon. Ernie autographed my glove, a softball that I found in the equipment room and a picture. Sorry to say I don’t have any of them anymore, just the memories! He will be Mr. Cub forever!

by Walt on Nov 29, 2009 12:19 AM CST reply actions  

that gives me a big lump in my throat

and a warm heart at how many Cardinal fans got ticked off ..

It don’t get any better than that.

Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we will go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..

coda

ELO, 1975

by cubnational on Nov 29, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Peak Value

If you look at Peak Value, Banks is an inner-circle Hall of Famer and arguably the best player to ever put on a baseball uniform. His decline was “emphasized” by the significant decline in offensive stats due to the fact that the end of his career matched up with the years of pitcher super domination. A Banks today, assuming he played baseball and not Wide Receiver, Quarterback or Point Guard, with the advances in Medical Tech, would put all sorts of records at risk. He was essentially A-Rod with a better attitude and a slightly better skill set.

by frustratedfan on Dec 3, 2009 11:01 AM CST reply actions  

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