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Hines Ward basically called out Big Ben for not playing last night. Both the Steelers and Cardinals lost last night and you could make a case they would have won if their regular QBs had been playing. (Though Leinart and Dennis Dixon didn't play horribly)

The NFL -- prodded by Congress -- is moving to really address concussions. I bag on MLB a lot and Selig in particular, but I think baseball has been better about making sure guys sit their asses down if they have a concussion.

A few thoughts about concussions in general:

* Stop with the macho BS from older players. In fact, all of those old farts can have glass of STFU. In all the industries involving physical labor, only in sports do you have idiots from the past doing this.

Sure, you hear coal miners talking about how rough they had it, but you never hear them begrudge today's workers the safety precautions.

* Big Ben should make sure the next few balls he throws to Ward are high, so Ward has to reach and expose his ribs. Ward is a dick.

* It's sad, but only guys like Big Ben and Warner can get away with this. Both Mannings, Brady, Brees, Favre and maybe RIvers could do it. But young QBs? Or young receivers? They sit down with a headache, they don't get to get back up. Coaches are dicks too.

The NFL needs to get this figured out. Now.

My son is now 8 weeks old. My wife doesn't want him playing football. I wonder how many mothers out there are thinking the same thing.

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Ditka was on the radio this morning and said he thinks they should sit out, or they’ll pay the price when they’re in their 50’s.

"When I was younger, I could remember anything, whether it had happened or not." --Mark Twain

by cooliogirl47 on Nov 30, 2009 3:59 PM CST reply actions  

I was going to say something along those lines

Ask all the retired boxers out there about concussions and how dangerous they are and what they can do to your body. Then come back to me.

Injuries are a part of the game. That’s why I’m not a huge fan of football: too many stars go down too quickly. I’m not advocating a change, just expressing my opinion. As much as I hate the injuries, I enjoy the big hits. I’m sure I’m not the only one to feel this way….

"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher

by Musicdude10 on Nov 30, 2009 4:15 PM CST up reply actions  

That's the first thing the NFL can do

is stop selling “big-hit” videos, or at least stop selling the helmet-to-helmet ones.

Figure it out. You can like the hits and hate the injuries, but you can’t do both. Right now, you’re on the fence.

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by Worf on Nov 30, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm with you, dude

The injurious nature of both football and boxing are too big an issue for me to be a fan of either.

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by Emelie on Nov 30, 2009 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

In part, thats why I like sportscenter

I’m a Bears fan, but other than that I watch the superbowl and thats it. I watch the big plays on sportscenter, ooh and aah, and move on. I find it hard to root for individual players when they don’t play half of the season a lot of times

"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher

by Musicdude10 on Nov 30, 2009 4:46 PM CST up reply actions  

!!! µWorf update !!! µWorf update !!! µWorf update !!!

By the way, your wife is could be right about worrying, as much as I hate to say it. My mother once told me why she pulled from ice hockey. She was horrified by other parents yelling at their 8 to 9 year old kids to “kill him, Johnny!”

But I suppose this might be normal in a Klingon family.

Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -

by eths on Nov 30, 2009 4:25 PM CST reply actions  

Hockey.

I played all growing up. Played with broken toes, a broken nose (many times… my nose is HUGE from it), badly bruised ribs, plenty of strains and pulls and twists… It ended late in high school once I shattered my arm to the point that they pulled me off the ice with my Radius bone sticking out of the skin just above the wrist.

I wasn’t big enough for football, but i can attest to the power of the “play through the pain” pressure you get from teammates and coaches, even as a kid.

The chances of going on to play a professional sport of any kind are so minimal, it amazes me how hard parents push their kids at this stuff. If a lot of them devoted half the effort towards making their kids “practice” hard at intellectual stuff, we’d all be a lot better off. The kid is likely to use his head some day… protect and work that. The chances of the kid ever using his slapshot for anything are nil.

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by AndrewJStone on Dec 3, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

i think most of us here have played in pain

maybe not to the extent you did, but i remember pitching for a week with torn ligaments in my left (landing) ankle, as well as playing a game with my shoulder flared up from tendonitis (both were not diagnosed until after i finally was dragged to the dr).

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 3, 2009 7:22 PM CST up reply actions  

There was talk on the radio

that the NFL may try to place a rule that anyone with a haed injury must sit the following week for safety. I am all for this rule.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Nov 30, 2009 5:19 PM CST reply actions  

….it should be mandatory, otherwise guys like Ward will call you out on benching yourself. The NFL knows its dangerous now, they should do something about it.

"When I was younger, I could remember anything, whether it had happened or not." --Mark Twain

by cooliogirl47 on Nov 30, 2009 7:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Dangerous.

You make a week out mandatory for an injury that may not take a week to recover from, and guys will refuse to report their headaches for fear of losing playing time.

Take it on a case by case basis.

Dum spiro spero…
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by AndrewJStone on Dec 3, 2009 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

Like many problems, a good solution here is probably to educate people on the issue. Ward apologized – a bit late, but once he understood the situation, he did.

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by Shanghai Badger on Dec 4, 2009 9:22 AM CST up reply actions  

If it would be at all enforceable,

the NFL should have a rule against being a dick.

“Being a dick! Offense! Number 86! Fifteen yards, loss of down!”

"Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things." ~Winston Churchill

by Goodie1969 on Nov 30, 2009 6:42 PM CST reply actions  

loss of weeks pay

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Nov 30, 2009 9:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, Hines Ward is a dumbass here

That said – this is what players have to weigh. Is it worth a better shot at a title to have health issues (sometimes quite serious) after you retire? As far as the Steelers and Roethlisberger go – he’s got two rings. Sit a week and make sure you can actually enjoy the rest of your life. Even if he hadn’t won anything it’s the right decision to tell the truth and sit out. But this is the decision that NFL players have to make when they have to answer ‘are you still getting headaches’. You can’t discount the fact that these guys are incredibly competitive, and that’s a big reason why they are professional football players.

I think the idea that Tim mentioned above is a good one – if you get concussed, you miss a week, no matter what.

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. -- Bruce Bartlett

by berselius on Nov 30, 2009 7:06 PM CST reply actions  

to me, forget if there is a better chance of winning a title taking the week or two off needed

i would want the players to be more concerned with their family and quality of life, to hell with any sport, or job for that matter when it comes to head injuries.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Nov 30, 2009 9:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, I do too

I’m just pointing out that these players are incredibly competitive, and it’s a large reason why they are there. It’s a little easier to think long term when you’ve already developed some sort of legacy

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. -- Bruce Bartlett

by berselius on Nov 30, 2009 11:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I think

this has more to do with the human eye and interpreting what one sees. You can see when somebody has a cast on a broken arm, a braced up knee, stitches, etc. You can’t see a concussion. To the uninformed eye, it would look like Ben was fine last night. To his teammates who have never suffered a concussion, he probably looked fine. However, the medical profession would tell you that he was not necessarily fine. This is the same type of battle that people who treat and who suffer from mental illnesses.

Look…for the most part, modern medicine can fix knees, hips, arms, etc….they have to figure out how to fix a damaged brain.

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by TheRiot Police on Nov 30, 2009 10:18 PM CST up reply actions  

That is a scary and disturbing article.

Thank you for pointing it out

Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -

by eths on Dec 1, 2009 1:42 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

While I agree that Ward is an idiot

and that concussions need to be taken more seriously, I don’t have a problem with NFL players who choose to ignore doctors orders and play with a concussion.

They are grown men who are working a high stress job that could be over at any moment, one week on the bench for anything other than the top 5% of players in the league could cost that player his job. With that kind of pressure and the kind of money on the line, I don’t blame guys who want to play through a concussion- in the NFL.

College and high school is a different story, they aren’t adults and they aren’t as educated (though I know the NFL could do a better job with education) about the negative effects of a concussion.

Bottom line for me- if you are a NFL player and want to risk your health to make a bunch of money (think LT in Any Given Sunday) then go for it, that’s your dumbass choice. In lower levels of the game though people need to take more charge and make sure people not only report their concussions and get the right help, but also are educated on how bad playing with a head injury can be.

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by nji232 on Dec 1, 2009 9:08 AM CST reply actions  

As someone...

who’s had several concussions from playing football, I’m glad the NFL is finally saying something.

More people (coaches at all levels, players, fans, etc) need to be educated on this serious topic.

by AGC on Dec 1, 2009 2:52 PM CST reply actions  

Collision sport

Football is a collision sport.
Collisions cause concussions.
If you want to limit concussions you will need to limit the collisions or the intesity of the collision.
In football you cant limit the collisions, but you can limit the intensity of the collision.
Remove the pads and helmets from the players and they will instinctively limit the fierocity of the collision. This is the main reason rugby players can play so late into their lives. Contact is far less brutal in rugby matches compared to football. New tech is great, but tech and rule changes can only go so far. Human nature is far more reliable.

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by Andiamo Cuccioli on Dec 2, 2009 7:53 AM CST reply actions  

Any NFL policy is useless

if they don’t protect players.

Big Ben and Kurt Warner have built up the credibility — and have useless enough backups — to where they can get away with this.

The real question is whether the 45th guy on the roster will be able to do this.

The NFL needs to step in and make sure these guys are protected. Or else players are just going to lie.

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by Worf on Dec 2, 2009 9:48 AM CST reply actions  

It's not just the the NFL but High School, College and "Minor League" Football as well.

Long term, i.e. a high number of, high to medium G blows to the head is very likely to cause brain damage without necessarily ever having resulted in a single concussion. This is the real crux of the problem.

Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -

by eths on Dec 2, 2009 10:03 AM CST up reply actions  

NFLPA also needs to step up

and stipulate that is any player has to miss a week or three due to a head injury, that player CANNOT BE CUT for being out with a head injury.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 2, 2009 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Steroid Freaks

Let’s not forget that most of these guys are doing some form of PEDs to make them bigger, stronger and faster in an unprecedented way. There has to be a correlation with the evolution of the football player in general to steroids. That evolution has brought more concussions with it.

I love the hypocisy in outrage over baseball’s steroid issues when compared to general apathy of football’s. If a baseball player is accused, then they should be banished from history. If a football player gets caught… well as long as my team wins!

by Salti Cracker on Dec 2, 2009 10:40 AM CST reply actions  

agreed

not just in football, but golf, biking, olympics, hockey, soccer, etc etc etc

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 2, 2009 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

It's the double standard

For the life of me, I can’t figure it out. They use the whole national pastime line, but I sometimes think people just don’t play baseball and can’t appreciate the sport.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Dec 3, 2009 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

It's about the records.

Nobody cares about most NFL, golf, biking, olympic, hockey or soccer records.

Everybody cares about the HR record.

A sense of history is why most people are outraged over ’roids in baseball and not elsewhere.

Dum spiro spero…
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by AndrewJStone on Dec 3, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

As someone who's had a few of these...

let me simply say that the nausea doesn’t go away any time soon. And the last one ended any chance of playing hockey beyond college. That was 28 years ago and anytime I’m playing in a pick-up game I can get light-headed without any contact by just moving quickly. Most times when I hear someone say, “tough it out” I can be almost 100% assured of them never having had one of these.

My mom was worried about me on the ice all the time. Its what moms do. its what moms will always do. She never thought though I’d get a concussion my HS senior year by a HPB. So after that she was a worrywart whenever I played baseball too. Suffice to say, baseball helmets have improved the last 30 years.

As a coach now for girls fast-pitch, my own daughter has a knack for the HPB, leading the league for the past 2 seasons combined. Though she’s never taken one up even as high as the shoulders, it gives pause as a father and a coach. My wife cringes from the stands every time Sarah gets plunked. We’re doing our best to manage that fear yet support our girl since she’s a pretty good little player.

The NHL has the best system in place among the major sports regarding concussions. The player has to pass various tests administered by and overseen by the NHL before he gets back on the ice. Marty Havlat caught a wicked hit during the conf finals this past spring. He had to pass those tests before getting back on the ice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqanH27U338

We can thank ex-Blackhawk #27 Jeremy Roenick and his 20-ish concussions for helping the NHL move forward with their system. But even with that, no system is fool proof and Havlat may still be feeling the affects, now with the Minn. Wild.

Just win the next game...!

by blackhawk24 on Dec 3, 2009 5:59 AM CST reply actions  

Sports Consussions are serious injuries

The New York Times had an article that said that former NFL players were 19 times more lkely to be diagnosed with Alzheimer’s like syndromes than the normal population. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/30/sports/football/30dementia.html

I remember hearing a story about how Merrill Hodge, when he playing with the Bears, left his house to walk somewhere and couldn’t figure out how to get home. He simply couldn’t remember. Hodge, at the time, couldn’t have been much more than 30-32 years old.

I truly believe that as more and more of thess stories come out, people’s perceptions of what they want from sports will change. The big hits that are featured so prominantly in advertising for the NHL and NFL won’t be seen as such a great selling point anymore.

by jerry morales rules on Dec 3, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Steve Young

This thread reminded me of several years ago when Steve Young was considering retirement because of numerous concussions, and the effects were getting kind of scary. I was at the Stanford driving range, because I worked about a mile away from there, and I was just finishing hitting my bucket of golf balls.

I could hear some “old guys” behind me discussing the Steve Young case, and one guy was really adamant that this was not something that Steve should mess around with, it was dead serious and he should just retire. I was thinking “but come on, you don’t understand how passionate a pro football player is about his career, and it might be harder to quit than you think”. As I picked up my golf bag and walked past them, I could see that the guy who had made the remarks was none other than Jim Plunkett.

My last thought was “yeah, I guess that he knows what he’s talking about”.

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is." -- Yogi Berra

by vonde6 on Dec 7, 2009 1:22 PM CST reply actions  

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