Ted Lilly Gets Scoped - Updated
by Al Yellon on Nov 5, 2009 7:42 AM CST
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PrintWell, here's a bit of a surprise. Ted Lilly had shoulder surgery today, per Carrie Muskat's blog:
Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly underwent a left shoulder arthroscopy and debridement on Tuesday by noted orthopaedic surgeon Dr. Lewis Yocum in Los Angeles. During the surgery, Yocum found no major damage to Lilly's shoulder and the procedure consisted of a washout and clean up of the shoulder. The procedure took approximately one hour to complete.
Lilly will immediately begin an aggressive range of motion and strengthening program. A timetable for a throwing program will be set when he's re-examined after Jan. 1. Typically, recovery time for a procedure such as this would place Lilly's return to the Cubs rotation within the month of April.
UPDATE: More after the jump.
More details from Bruce Miles this morning:
Both Lilly and the Cubs said the surgery, performed by Dr. Lewis Yocum in Los Angeles, was a "cleanup," or debridement, and that Lilly has no significant structural damage.
Although Lilly won't be ready for Opening Day, the Cubs expressed confidence Wednesday he could pitch sometime in April. Lilly will begin a rehab process with range-of-motion exercises, but he said he won't begin throwing for four months, or until early March.
"I initially wanted to try to avoid it, go into the off-season without having to do anything," Lilly said Wednesday by teleconference. "I figured it would get better. It did not, even after all the rest. I just didn't want to go into the season kind of doing what I was doing at the end of the year where I was missing starts."
Take a look at the Cubs' April 2010 schedule -- with off days each of the first two weeks, the Cubs won't need a fifth starter until April 19, the 13th game of the season -- so Ted could have a couple of extra weeks to get ready and perhaps start that day, or later that week.
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I don't know about the procedure,
but I do hope that Ted has a quick, speedy and total recovery!
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
Did he preform it on himself?
If so he should be recovered by Monday
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This is very confusing to me.
He had a fine season, pitched 170+ IP, etc. Not sure why this was necessary.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Well, yeah, but he had a couple injury problems along the way, too.
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I'd be surprised
if he is not in our rotation for opening day. There was nothing structural done. I think it’s bad specualtion from Muskrat.
What is concerning is he must have felt discomfort to even “explore”—so the range of motion and strengthening will be sufficient. The clean up and debridement will take out any of the “bodies” in there that may have been the cause of his discomfort.
If this can make Lilly better
then that’s a plus for the Cubs. He had in my opinion a very good year, and must have had some discomfort, thus the “look see” surgery. He should be even better next year. Get well soon Ted!
Only Lilly can make Lilly better.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Nov 4, 2009 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not going to panic
I would like to say Chris DeLuca is doing his best to spread panic with this gem
For reference on the Lilly situation, see the early forecasts for Kerry Wood and Mark Prior.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Yes, because
this is exactly like the Wood/Prior stuff.
Jesus, are there any good baseball reporters left in Chicago? (Aside from Bruce Miles, of course.)
by Not Bruce Froemming on Nov 4, 2009 6:01 PM CST up reply actions
DeLuca
Well, he does work for the Sox-Times.
Totally absurd and irresponsible comment
…From DeLuca
by JB 23 on Nov 5, 2009 12:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Well, let's hope Muskat is being conservative with the "within the month of April" thing.
That could mean he misses spring training and gets off to a slow start. Then again, maybe it will keep Ted stronger later into the season.
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How about we use the default reasoning with Muskat and assume she's just wrong.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Nov 4, 2009 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
Even better.
Not only will he be at spring training, he’s going to show up early and build a new stadium.
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Ugh
Could someone remind me the last time a pitcher had his shoulder scoped and returned to start the season on time the following year? Count me as worried.
Eamus Ursuli!
What scares me a bit is how Spellcheck or Marshall are on the rotation at the start of the season.
I’m extremely surprised at the timetable reported by our local fearmongers. If it’s arthroscopic, Lilly should be throwing by mid-December. I’ve had open surgery on my right shoulder and arthroscopic on my left. The amount of time in a sling and in rehab after the arthroscopic procedure was one-third of that of the big one. And I’m not a world-class badass like TRL.
If all games were played as scheduled...
the Cubs wouldn’t need a 5th starter until Sunday April 18th in Houston.
So whoever is the real 5th starter (Gorzo the leader in the clubhouse?) would have to start for Ted.
Here’s to a quick and complete recovery for Ted.
"he said he won't begin throwing for four months, or until early March"
I agree Muskat is often wrong, but unless she’s just making up statements that are attributed directly to Ted, I think the March/April timetable is not just from “local fearmongers.”
by Orval Overall on Nov 5, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
Depth
and more depth. I think the Cubs should prepare for Ted not to be ready. Side on the err of caution.
I do think however Ted could go a strong 9 tonight if needed.
Could Yadier Molina has official nervous...
The last thing he wants his for Lilly’s left shoulder to come back stronger and healtier…
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
I'm pretty well unconcerned (terrified).
Pitching takes a toll on one’s body (shoulder) and I’m going to assume (hope) this is a preventive (make Lilly AWESOMER) measure. Modern sports medicine (brujería) is all about stopping problems before they start. Ted Lilly (Our savior) is a very rational (insane) man, so I’m sure he was just making sure he can contribute (dominate) in an injury-free season.
Knock on wood (Kerry).
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by mykalmorgan on Nov 4, 2009 4:09 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
Rememeber it is TRL we are talking about..
if a ‘typical’ recovery is six months (i.e. April) then I’m betting Teddy is all better by January 3rd
january 3rd? more like november 3rd
"hey
by jesus christos on Nov 4, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
I'd say
The Cubs should pickup another starting pitcher this offseason. They can’t assume they have only the 5th starter spot to fill. Zambrano is a high risk of being down too.
I think Lilly it can pitch right handed if needed.
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
and I'll bet it wasn't
‘noted orthopaedic surgeon Dr. Lewis Yocum’ who actually did the surgery – he just watched while Ted surgered himself
'tis now
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
But Ted is from Canada
not the South. That’s where people are surgered.
:)
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
Ted is from Canada?
Where did you get that? Ted grew up in southern California.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
That's what I said,
diddle di?
:)
Oops. puts down the scotch.
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
if it makes you feel better
i thought ted lilly was canadian until 2008
"hey
by jesus christos on Nov 5, 2009 11:13 PM CST up reply actions
Canada , Northern CA
Same thing.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 5, 2009 11:17 PM CST up reply actions
Spoken by someone with a New Yorker's view of the world.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Someone tell me how no one was aware of this?
I am a little surprised here with the surgery and more surprised that he didn’t have it sooner. Why not October for hte surgery or even September?
Thi whole thing makes me a little nervous, it wasn’t the news I wanted to hear about Mr. Lilly.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
well you are talking about the organization that thought it would be smart to have soriano
play on a gimp knee for 5 months
"hey
by jesus christos on Nov 4, 2009 7:55 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly...
Why couldn’t this have been done a month ago?
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Nov 5, 2009 9:15 AM CST up reply actions
According to the stories
Lilly thought it would heal through rest and opted not to have surgery before this week. This is a rare instance where I’m not going to blame the team.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Nov 5, 2009 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
agreed
You sometimes see this kind of thing where a player waits and gets surgery right before the season starts. This is different. He couldn’t know if rest would work unless he tried it, but pulling the trigger in November still means most of the recovery time will fall in the offseason.
by Orval Overall on Nov 5, 2009 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think that it is uncommon
For a major-league pitcher to have a hurting arm at the end of the season. From what I have heard, it is probably hard to tell when it has crossed the line from being an irritant to being something that they need to have taken care of.
Remain calm…Ted is.
"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill
Having pitched
for a shorter season, by the end of the year you are just hurting. Usually you just need some time and the arm recovers. But it is a highly unnatural thing to throw a small ball at 90+ mph. Your body isn’t designed to do it.
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
I have physical therapy tomorrow with a group that handles many of the major sports
teams in LA. I will try to get the scoop on this procedure and find out what the recovery time is.
I’ll report back on Thursday…
"Truth hurts. Maybe not as much as jumping on a bicycle with the seat missing, but it hurts." - Leslie Nielson
My big question about this:
Does it change the Cubs stance on Rich Harden? Lilly is the Cubs ace and hopefully is out for only the first two weeks.
Do you keep Harden to soften the wound of Lilly being gone?
to the contrary
IMO the fact that Lilly is likely to miss a start or three makes me less inclined to take the risk om Harden… but thats just me.
I would prefer the Cubs keep Harden anyways, but since they'll probably let him go
I say now is the time to see if Atlanta is serious about getting rid of Derek Lowe. We have a RF they may be interested in in a contract swap.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
Bobby Cox...
…would not tolerate Milton Bradley on his team.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
You're probably right about that.
But the Atlanta media market isn’t very tough, and Bobby will be gone after 2010. If Atlanta is looking for an upgrade from Ryan Church/Matt Diaz and looking to save some cash, I could the teams talking, at the very least.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
He tolerated Gary Sheffield
who has been about as much a malcontent during his career.
The difference is Sheffield’s production on the field over the course of his career has been much greater than Milton Bradley’s.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Nov 5, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
There is one major difference between the two...
Shef was always popular amongst his teammates, very respectful (at least publicly) of Bobby Cox and the coaches, and he obeyed Cox (i.e., batting 3rd, 4th, or 5th, not being late, running out grounders, etc.) without complaint. He was always willing to play hurt. Shef’s major issues are with “management” — the folks who write his checks — and the media.
Gameboard, according to several Cubs, rebuffed their attempts to “befriend” him during ST; he was on a self-described “island” in the clubhouse. He has a well-deserved reputation for not hustling (though I think he was a little better in 2009), and has admitted that he doesn’t play hurt because he doesn’t want to mess up his stats. He treated at least one of the coaches (Von Joshua) very disrespectfully, refusing to obey his order to PH. What he says to the umpires and the media is just the icing on the cake.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 5, 2009 5:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Sheffield may have behaved himself in Atlanta
but my point is that he did not conduct himself particularly well before he came to the Braves. He hasn’t exactly conducted himself with a great deal of class since he left the Braves.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Nov 5, 2009 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
This won't change the Harden equation
We need four starters to start the season. This sounds like a clean up job, nothing major in today’s sports medicine world. He’ll probably be ready by April, to be conservative they’ll give him a few extra weeks. Start the season with a rehab in Daytona to keep him out of a cold weather situation.
Cubs are painfully thin in starting pitching
Zambrano is a whack job. Dempster is the closest thing to a “sure thing” with Lilly on the shelf. Wells might turn out to be a one-year wonder (or not…but we simply don’t know yet). Marshall is not rotation material. Gorzeleanny is interesting, but far from a certainty.
"Cubs will win 79 to 83 games." BLou (7/21/09)
Linkin Park was good, damnit!
"It's hard to win 97 games, it's hard to win the division. Our attitude is if you get in every year, you get in most of the time, sooner or later you are going to knock that door down." -- Jim Hendry
WAS
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
It's never too early to begin the 2010 "We're going to suck" campaign, is it?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Nov 4, 2009 10:08 PM CST up reply actions
under this category I will state
that I’m more worried about Aramis’ shoulder than Lilly’s
"Fasten those seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
So true Katie.
I wonder how he’s doing with rehabbing his shoulder?
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
As am I...
…once those ligaments are loose from a seperation/dislocation, they are usually prone to reacurring problems unless you have the surgery to tighten them up.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Remember the early bird gets the worm...
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
You don't think you're overreacting here?
I disagree with BLou all the time. But he isn’t predicting failure here or even saying anything most people wouldn’t agree with:
- Zambrano unreliable for focus/attitude/emotional reasons? Check.
- Dempster the most reliable pitcher without Lilly around? Check.
- Wells an unknown because we haven’t seen if he can do it year over year? Check (see also Hill, Rich).
- Gorzellany “far from a certainty.”? Check and check. I’d even go farther and say he tantalized with his first start, then did nothing to suggest that wasn’t a fluke.
- Marshall I’m inclined to be less hard on than BLou, but obviously if Piniella thought differently he would’ve been a fixture in the rotation long before now.
by Orval Overall on Nov 5, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
Gorzelanny...
… made seven starts as a Cub.
I would categorize two of them as bad, three as mediocre, and two as good — the first one, and the one in Milwaukee where he struck out nine.
He’s got a long way to go before he’d be considered a solid rotation starter, but that first start was more than just a fluke. If Gorz could get back to what he was in 2007 with the Pirates, we’d take that.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Thin Starting Pitching
I’ve got to agree with you. Wells, Marshall, and Gorzelanny are all questionable. I don’t see Justin Berg being a major league starting pitcher. Even if Big Z gets it back together and Dempster does well, the rotation is still thin. I know Big Z was okay last season, but “okay” doesn’t cut it when you are supposed to be the ace of the staff. He very well might not return to form. We’ll see how the NL hitters adjust to Wells and how Wells in turn adjusts to the NL hitters next season. Marshall is better in the bullpen. I don’t think the Cubs will keep Harden. Gorz is no better than a mediocre fifth starter. The Northsiders are in real trouble without a healthy Lilly. Hopefully, Lilly will be MLB ready by May.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
In comparison to whom?
Right now the Cubs have four experienced starters in Zambrano, Lilly, Dempster, and Harden. They also a number of less experienced, and maybe less predictable potential starters in Gorzelanny, Marshall, Wells, and Samardzija. Even if Harden goes, this is a normal situation for an MLB team: a few reliable arms and some rolls of the dice in the 4th and 5th spot.
With very few exceptions all starting rotations are thin. Good pitching is such a valuable and scarce commodity that this is inevitable.
The Cubs rotation is actually in pretty good shape compared to most teams.
Don't count on Harden being back.
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by Shanghai Badger on Nov 5, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
Starting pitching...
…can be very fleeting from year to year. One injury to a key guy and maybe one other doesn’t perform and what looks good on paper, just doesn’t pan out on the field.
IMO, Zambrano’s best days are behind him. He will dazzley for 2-3 starts and then be far below average for the next 2-3. At the end of the day, you get the productivity of a number 3 starter with him.
I agree that both Lilly and Dempster would be considered your most reliable pitchers right now, and neither of them is really a top of the rotation guy. Nothing really wrong with that, as long as your 5 starters are performaning up to a decent level.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
The only whack job is you...
Zambrano is the ace of the staff.
I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...
by Jimmyeatworld on Nov 5, 2009 8:36 PM CST up reply actions
Ted Lilly is the ace of the staff
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 6, 2009 9:04 AM CST up reply actions
This backs up my argument that we should....
….strongly consider re-signing Rich Harden. I don’t trust next years rotation.
Not Gorz.
Not Wells. (I think the NL is going to jump all over him, unfortunately)
Not Lilly. (shoulder and knee)
AT LEAST offer him arbitration.
"It's hard to win 97 games, it's hard to win the division. Our attitude is if you get in every year, you get in most of the time, sooner or later you are going to knock that door down." -- Jim Hendry
again....
this is exactly why you do NOT re-sign Harden. Harden is a question mark that you can afford if your team is healthy. Coming into this year, Zambrano, Dempster and Lilly were all looking just fine. With Lilly starting the season on the DL and the Cubs unlikely to have the money for Harden and another starter, you cannot bring back Harden. You need someone who has a better track record.
yeah
lets sign a backup starter for millions of dollars
itd kind be like aaron miles!
"hey
by jesus christos on Nov 4, 2009 11:11 PM CST up reply actions
What does backup starter even mean?
and Harden is in no way comparable to Aaron Miles.
I don’t want to be the one of those people next season saying ‘I told you so’.
"It's hard to win 97 games, it's hard to win the division. Our attitude is if you get in every year, you get in most of the time, sooner or later you are going to knock that door down." -- Jim Hendry
Backup starter? Isn't
that a crappy long relief guy like Heilman?
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
Comparing Harden to Miles is insulting
Comparing anyone else who has played for the Cubs in the last few years to Aaron Miles is an insult.
by ak123 on Nov 5, 2009 7:46 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Equivocating might be
Comparing isn’t. You mean to say, “Derrek Lee is a much better player than Aaron Miles” is an insult? Because it is a comparision.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Nov 5, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
Cubs do need
to address there rotation. Lilly or no Lilly in April. I really don’t like the idea of Gorzo and Spellcheck battling for the 5th spot.
I would make
a offer to Garland. That would be one of my first choices. Beyond that I would have to look around and see what would be available.
Assuming the budget allows, I could go for that, too.
Garland could be called a “classic” No. 5 starter at this point.
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Sounds like the cubs doctors missed the boat on this and that why the surgery was delayed
the scariest part of this article is the last line discussing what would happen if Ted is out "Jeff Samardzija and Tom Gorzelanny are expected to be the Nos. 4 and 5 starters. " Yikes, not sure I like how that sounds.
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
Timing of Surgery
It could have been worse. Lilly probably should have had this surgery four weeks ago, but, at least, he should be throwing on the side (not in any games) during spring training. I see him making rehab starts in April in the minors. Hopefully, by May, he’ll be back in the majors starting.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Looking at it now its
probably a good thing we didn’t give Ted an extension.
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
Shoulders are touchy...
…but if indeed there was no structural damage, he should be able to come back with no issues by April.
Clearly, there was something bothering him during the season which prompted this and I am a little surprised he waited over a month to get this done.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
So the team knew this was an issue
Why on God’s green earth didn’t they just shut him down late September and have it done right away? The Cubs could certainly use those 6 weeks.
Just win the next game...!
Because it's the Cubs
What have you come to expect with this front office and injuries?
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
They could have at least...
…shut him down and tried a short course of rehab. If that didn’t work, they could have gotten the surgery done 4 weeks sooner.
In general, the Cub’s managment of player injuries has left a lot to be desired for sometime now. Far too often, they let the player dictate the course, and they are usually not the best judge of what is best in the long term. This is another area the GM has to take full charge of.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
What injuries?
‘Tis but a scratch!
A scratch? Your arm’s off!
No, it isn’t!
Well, what’s that then?
I’ve had worse.
Now only 12,859 on the "Cubs Season Tickets Waiting List"...
We'll call it a draw
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 5, 2009 8:46 AM CST up reply actions
"I'm invincible!" he yells with only one leg left
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper. I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.
Dum spiro spero…
Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
*Dong
Bring out your dead…
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
Help! I am being opressed!
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 6, 2009 9:04 AM CST up reply actions
We are now no longer the Knights who say Ni.
NI. Shh…
We are now the Knights who say… “Ekki-Ekki-Ekki-Ekki-PTANG. Zoom-Boing. Z’nourrwringmm.”
Now only 12,859 on the "Cubs Season Tickets Waiting List"...
This just jumped to the top of my netflix que.
Dum spiro spero…
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by AndrewJStone on Nov 6, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
Shouldn't the dog be walking on his hind legs and clicking coconuts?
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Timing of Surgery
I don’t see a Cubs’ management screwup here. They tried a conservative approach to treatment – rest and maybe therapy – and when it didn’t work they resorted to the knife. I also think Lilly is a smart guy, knows and understands his body, and had a substantial voice in the decision process.
AlaskaFan
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by AlaskaFan on Nov 5, 2009 12:43 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
As promised I checked with the physical therapy team that I see in LA.
I read them all the info on Lilly. They said the recovery is 12 weeks if this is truly just a “clean up.” A structural procedure is 6+ months of down time.
It seems that Lilly’s down time will not be the 12 weeks “best case,” but he clearly did not have any of the structural issues that would lead to extended down time. The rehab guy I spoke to was also very encouraging about this and said that normally this type of procedure can be very good for cleaning up minor irritations and really improve a throwing arm a lot.
So I know many here want to get out over their skis so early in the off season, but I think this will bring Lilly back better and stronger…if such a thing was possible!
"Truth hurts. Maybe not as much as jumping on a bicycle with the seat missing, but it hurts." - Leslie Nielson
by LAcarl519 on Nov 5, 2009 2:13 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Excellent research and use of your insurance paid rehab dollar.
Thanks.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
as long as you mentioned it: thanks to the monopoly powers of the "Blues"
they are paying less than 15% of my rehab costs after major shoulder surgery.
and of course Big Blue paid a whopping 6.5% of the surgery cost (not a typo).
this surgeon was the only one in SoCA who could do this type of procedure and 5 different hospitals recommended this surgeon as “the only one they would trust” to do the procedure I needed.
…thanks Big Blue, thanks for all your help!
Single Payer anyone???
"Truth hurts. Maybe not as much as jumping on a bicycle with the seat missing, but it hurts." - Leslie Nielson
Ahh, insurance. Sucks for all.
Sorry to hear you’re bearing the cost, but at least you got good detail on Lilly.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
The one and only time I needed my insurance
they nickel and dimed me too. I broke a bone in my toe and needed physical therapy . They basically covered less than half of what the doctor and therapist recommended and being totally unfamiliar with he process I went along. The foot has never been completely normal since, though my doctor thought it would be fine with therapy. Punch line I ended up getting an MRI ( inconclusive and I decided minor irritation was better than surgery) which cost many times what the therapy would have. My rough guess is that in the 15 years I have had this companies insurance they have gotten well over $70,000 in premiums and I have “used” less than $5,00 ( most of it on the toe) but they still wouldn’t pay for a doctor recommended treatment that was relatively cheap. I don’t need any government bureaucracy to tell my doctor what to do because the insurance company already does.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 5, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
speaking of insurance bureaucracy...
for six years straight I had to get a specific procedure done on my neck about 3 times a year. The procedure runs about $5000+ each time.
Every time my doctor put the procedure in to the insurance company they NEVER reviewed my file to see that the exact same procedure had already been approved before. The paperwork from the doctor was always denied at least one or two times.
Health insurance cos have no desire to be efficient. The goal is to deny, deny and deny some more. I would say the private insurance bureaucracy added 25-30% to the cost of my recurring procedures. And we wonder why insurance companies are so worried about non-profit competition?
"Truth hurts. Maybe not as much as jumping on a bicycle with the seat missing, but it hurts." - Leslie Nielson
Sadly Big Blue and others were not bad
When they were actually run as non profits.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 5, 2009 6:25 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks for the info!
I see no reason to panic about Ted at all.
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
12 weeks from yesterday is...
… January 27.
So if that’s true, there doesn’t seem to be any reason that he couldn’t at least be on a throwing program by March.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
my guess is that since Opening Day seems out,
maybe Lilly had a bit more work done than what comes with the 12 week program. But even if it involved a bit more scraping/cleaning this may mean a few more weeks of rest & rehab, but a much stronger Lilly.
That is what my physical therapy group said. They seemed to think that many pitchers come back better when there is only minor surgery needed. To them this sounded minor.
"Truth hurts. Maybe not as much as jumping on a bicycle with the seat missing, but it hurts." - Leslie Nielson
That's good to know.
It sure doesn’t sound like he’ll miss much, if any, of the season.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
hey everybody!
how’s it going…been awhile
I'm a lefty, maybe Lou should give me a shot for a position in the bullpen!!
Cubs won the World Series !
Where have you been ?
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 5, 2009 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
Jessica,
Please…
…slowly….
climb down from the ledge….
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
I think you mean put down the bottle(s) of Baileys
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 5, 2009 6:26 PM CST up reply actions
Hey Chan.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
So who does Iowa have left Sue? Are they going to run the table?
MSU, as we all know from our studies, is not. Not even close. In fact, 6-6 is starting to look like a distinct possibility, which may leave us with either the Pizza-Pizza Bowl or on the outside looking in at the end of the season. :(
…on the other hand, MSU basketball and hockey are looking good! :)
Now only 12,859 on the "Cubs Season Tickets Waiting List"...
We have NW
here this weekend, Ohio State there next weekend and Minnesota here for the last game of the regular season. OS scares the crap out of me and NW is always tough for us too. Minnie is also scary.
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
Well, we didn't play OSU (thank god), Minnie beat us badly and for the life of me I can't even remember if we played NW...
We get Western MI at home, at Purdue and PSU in EL.
6-6. Yippee…
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