VERY OT: The BT Football, "Congrats to ballhawk" & "Sorry, sue369" Thread
by Zeke on Nov 14, 2009 6:04 PM CST
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PrintThe dust has settled from this week's games. Congratulations to OSU (& ballhawk) for their overtime win against Iowa (sorry, sue369) and likely trip to the Rose Bowl. It was a great game. Well played by both teams.
Also, congrats to Wisconsin, Minnesota, Northwestern, Penn State and my alma mater Michigan State for their victories.
I've closed the poll, but there are still a number of possibilities as to where teams will finish up. Look for a final week Big Ten Thread posted later this week by Vermont Cubs Fan in anticipation of the final regular season weekend.
P.S.- ballhawk: don't let your guys rest on their laurels. You have a job to do against our "little sister" in A2 Saturday at the "state prison"... or as they refer to it there: "The Big House". Kind of silly to me to nickname your stadium after a place of incarceration, but I just consider the source... ;)
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Ohio State beats Iowa, Penn State and Wisconsin win out. Go Badgers.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
And Wisconsin laments what could have been
They blew the Iowa game; should be tied with OSU for first right now – and could have beaten OSU.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Nov 9, 2009 8:47 AM CST up reply actions
Pretty simple for my Hawkeyes.
Win on Saturday at the Horseshoe and the Rose Bowl ticket is punched. Okay well it’s simple in principle.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
I've been saying all weekend...
“I’d rather it happened this weekend vs Northwestern than next week vs OSU. Nobody believed Iowa was going to go undefeated. This was the week to lose one.”
Dum spiro spero…
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by AndrewJStone on Nov 9, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
It should be noted, though...
… that i’m actively pretending Stanzi isn’t actually hurt.
Ignorance is bliss!
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by AndrewJStone on Nov 9, 2009 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
I thought they could go undefeated
Until I saw them play Indiana
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by Shanghai Badger on Nov 9, 2009 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
Iowa....
Will go to the shoe and win Saturday! Book It! Rose Bowl here we come!!
In Heaven there is no beer, That's why we drink it here, and when were gone from here, all our friends will be drinking all our beer!!
by By Santo's Grace on Nov 9, 2009 9:30 AM CST reply actions
It pains me to say this
OSU will beat Iowa after my Lions layed the egg against OSU. PSU is just not that good like the rest of the Big Ten. I will pull for Iowa but with Stansey out I just don’t see them beating OSU at the shoe.
I know...
It’s gonna be a tough trip without Stanzi….but I believe the Hawks have one more miracle in them!!
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by By Santo's Grace on Nov 9, 2009 9:44 AM CST reply actions
Stanzi had surgery on
his ankle this morning so he is done for the season. I haven’t heard if he will be back for the bowl game.
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
Let's hope they worked
hard with James today in practice. :-(
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
I'm trying to stay positive.
Vandenberg seems to throw a better ball than Stanzi.
What do you consider Stanzi’s record now? I say he’s 17-3-1. I refuse to put that game against NW in his loss column, even though he was the starter of record.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
I agree with
your take on the record. I feel we would have won that game if Rick hadn’t gotten hurt.
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
Yes Stanzi makes up 8 points.
Funny the Hawks got off to a 10-0 lead and I was probably the most comfortable I’ve been all year. I should have known something was going to happen.
I know it’s not Ferentz’s MO, but I’d love to see McNutt out of the wildcat. We need some kind of wrinkle to throw off the Buckeyes.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
I was nervous before every
game but once they started I just had the feeling they would win.
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
OSU-Iowa
Having seen both of them beat the Badgers, I can make the bold prediction that the game will come down to Terelle Pryor. If he can do anything with the passing game then OSU wins, and perhaps by two touchdowns. If Pryor is the QB, though, that he usually is, the Buckeyes will be incredibly ineffective passing and will allow the Iowa defense to control the game. Pryor has shown a few flashes but overall he has not come close to reaching his potential. The loss of Stanzi obviously hurts and is likely to make the offensively conservative Kirk Ferentz even more conservative. We may see a 13-10 game this weekend and, of course, the national boo birds will take the Big Ten to task.
On a side note, I remain concerned about what Tate Forcier may do this weekend in Madison. The Wisconsin secondary absolutely sucks and their CBs are terrible… the weakest set of CBs I’ve seen in Cardinal and White in quite some time. Wisconsin is starting to get the national attention as they were underrated much of the season and have some really good parts including an unusually good set of wide receivers that compliment two great running backs. Ultimately I will look back at this season as a waste as they absolutely fell apart against OSU and Iowa, but this likely is a team that may head into next season as a Rose Bowl contender.
or to put it even more plainly...
Good Pryor – Buckeyes win.
Bad Pryor – Hawkeyes win.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Not so sure...
… about bad Pryor equaling a Hawkeye win. Iowa has some great offensive weapons but the absence of Stanzi hurts. Does Kirk Ferentz trust their back-up QB to fully take advantage of the Iowa tight ends and wide receivers or does he scale back the passing game significantly and run a lot more? OSU can stop a one dimensional offense pretty easily and even with a bad Pryor, OSU could win this one… it could come down to which team makes the first mistake.
You forgot one choice
“who cares, they’ll get spanked in the Rose Bowl anyway”.
Just win the next game...!
The Big Ten
will send some team to the Rose Bowl and get hammered by Oregon or USC and once again reveal itself to be an irrelevant conference in a corrupt sport.
Pollsters vote on who was good 10 years ago and coaches designate some flunky to vote. Schools like Boise State have to practically take opposing coaches daughters’ hostage to get a game because the big powers are chickenshit.
The BCS will matchup Florida/Alabama and Texas and we’ve all known that for weeks.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Worf, I really wish you'd stop sugar-coating how you feel.
You need to learn to freely express yourself and your emotions ;)
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I am a die-hard Iowa fan
and it pains me to say this, but the Hawks are not that good…. we have no offense, and with Stanzi out the rest of the regular season what little offense we had is gone. If you would have told me after the UNI game that Iowa would be 9-1 right now I would have laughed. I’m afraid Iowa will get spanked next weekend….
For the record, I love the Hawks as much as I love the Cubs… I’m just being a realist.
chris
lol....
Someone posed that same question to me a couple of weeks ago, and like you I laughed. and we were 8-0 at the time. I really like this team I just don’t understand why they struggle so bad offensively even with Stanzi! However I believe in this team and what they have accomplished. You don’t get to 9-1 on luck alone.
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by By Santo's Grace on Nov 9, 2009 12:49 PM CST reply actions
who cares
the Big Ten is the little ten this season
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
Obviously Zeke does and
several others in here. If you don’t care feel free to skip the fan post next time.
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
I reserve the right to respond to any post I like
and any way I like. If you don’t like my response, feel free to skip it. The Big ten has a long and storied history, but it is the most overrated conference in the nation this year. Not a single elite team.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Nov 9, 2009 5:16 PM CST up reply actions
We'll see when
the bowl games are played.
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
You had me until the "most over-rated"
but otherwise, you’re totally right, the big-ten is a bust and unless there’s some devine intervention, we’re probably looking at a Pac-10 win by 2-3 TD’s.
Just win the next game...!
All opinions are welcome. No offense was taken. It WAS posted as "OT", so it's fair game for a "meh" attitude...
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who cares?
Well, for one, I do. I don’t care if its the 3rd, 4th or 5th best conference in the nation. I won’t change my allegiances if the Big Ten gets shut out during Bowl season. I am a fan of a Big Ten team, have gone to 6 or 7 games a season for the past several years and I enjoy watching Big Ten style of play. I don’t take offense to those who say that the SEC is superior… they’re correct, however I’d love to see the SEC teams try to play their style of football throughout the season in Midwestern conditions. It would look a lot more like Big Ten football. Its the reality of the situation.
I assume since you think little of the Big Ten due to its decreased level of play, you are looking for an American League team to root for as the AL is clearly superior to the NL.
by dmlichte on Nov 9, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Hmmm,
Stinkin thinkin at work.
You said: “I assume since you think little of the Big Ten due to its decreased level of play, you are looking for an American League team to root for as the AL is clearly superior to the NL.”
Actually I am an NL guy as my presence here at BCB would indicate to a thinking person. I have a lot of respect for the history of the Big 10, but it is quite clear the conference is weak this year.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Nov 9, 2009 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
wow...
you really don’t see the forest for the trees. I’ll try breaking this down really simply for you.
You initially posted “who cares” in response to this tread about the big ten, as you feel that the Big Ten is bad this year. That serves as an indication that people should not care about a conference due to it being down.
I understand that you are an NL guy, thats the point. What would you say to someone if they said to you “who cares about the NL, its clearly inferior to the AL”? You telling people “who cares” about the Big Ten would be the same thing.
If you want to discuss conferences and their relative rank, that’s fine, but for you to intimate that people shouldn’t care or discuss the Big Ten because there are other conferences that are better than it is just plain ignorant.
Not ignorant, just my observation
that the big ten is hardly worth talking about this year.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Nov 10, 2009 8:34 AM CST up reply actions
again...
… then why are you bothering with the Cubs and the NL these days? You’re basing one’s fandom and worthwhile commenting based on the strength of the conference. Why are you then commenting on the Cubs? It is ignorance especially since you use one set of parameters for the Big Ten but not the same for the team and subsequent league that you follow.
Again, if you want to have a conversation about the strength of the Big Ten, thats fine, but to comment about the fact that the Big Ten isn’t worth comment is pretty ridiculous.
again part 2
I realize you think you have nailed me in some sort of contradiction, but this is the BCB board with the C being Cubbie not Big Ten. This is not the time or the place for discussions about the downward spiral of the big ten, but I understand it is the off season and some are struggling to find things to talk about here, which explains the ridiculous number of threads on MB, but at least MB is a Cub.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Nov 10, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
Well . . . there is a contradiction of sorts
I intentionally didn’t respond to your “who cares” because you are entitled to your opinion. I thought it was unnecessary, but it wasn’t like you told Zeke he shouldn’t have brought it up in the first place. However, I can see how it would be interpreted that way; that was my first reaction, but I didn’t post a reply.
dml isn’t saying that you shouldn’t comment on a Cub board about the Cubs; he’s saying that if your stance on the significance of a team/grouping of teams is that only superior ones should be cared about, then you shouldn’t be following an NL team. That does follow logically – except that I don’t think that you meant no one else should care about the Big 10 – you just expressed that you don’t.
Am I interpreting your original response correctly? If so, then it’s nothing more than a semantics issue and people not understanding what you meant.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Nov 10, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
revising your thoughts
Shanghai Badger effectively summed it up, but you are now saying something completely different. You started by intimating that people shouldn’t care about Big Ten football because the Big Ten is inferior to other conferences (taken from your “who cares” and “the big ten is the little ten”. You did not say a think about this not being the place to discuss Big Ten football, which you now are. Honestly, its not your place to determine the validity of subjects discussed here unless I missed the memo where Al crowned you BCB sensor. In case you haven’t noticed, often there are threads here that are not Cubs related, be it during the season or not.
You are free to discuss what you wish and if you want to discuss the relative place of the Big Ten amongst other conferences, fine, but I don’t see why you feel a.) the need to tell us what to discuss and b.) the need to delve into a subject that you feel isn’t worth discussing.
this topic has already gotten way more attention
than it deserves. I said what is said and I don’t apologize for it. The Big ten is not worth discussing especially on BCB.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Nov 10, 2009 5:15 PM CST up reply actions
I'd drop it.
I tried to be diplomatic, but he’s not interested. To turn a phrase, who cares what he thinks about the Big Ten or what topics are worth discussing.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 10, 2009 9:48 PM CST up reply actions
In fact
As a monument of this topic’s “unworthiness”, I’ve recommended it. Hopefully it will get enough rec’s so that it can serve as a warning to all…
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 10, 2009 9:57 PM CST up reply actions
I'm in.
Nothing is more annoying than a dude dropping by your conversation just to let you know he doesn’t care.
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by AndrewJStone on Nov 10, 2009 11:43 PM CST up reply actions
Thank you Dan.
My sentiments exactly.
I’m sorry to see a down year in the Big 10, especially sorry to see Sue’s Hawkeyes fall away as I was starting to believe they could play a top 5 team and compete.
As for this weekend, for certain one team will walk out of Camp Randall embarassed. Either UM will have the final nail hammered into a failed season with the Buckeyes waiting to play a team who can’t play defense, or Wisconsin will lose to a poorly coached team and relive the drama of last year.
I’ll be watching through my fingers.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
I expect the Badgers to play a better game this year
They seem to be mentally tougher than last year’s team. The OSU and Iowa losses were really disappointing – especially blowing a 10-0 lead against Iowa – but I’m encouraged by how they’ve bounced back.
dml is right – they could be Rose Bowl contenders next year.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Nov 10, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
Iowa-Rose Bowl
If Iowa beats Ohio State this Saturday which I think they can but will be tough without Stanzi, they will win the Rose Bowl. USC and Oregon may not even win the PAC 10, Arizona might and Iowa has already beat them which shows they can play with the PAC 10. Let’s be honest, outside the SEC, college football has evened out across the nation. There are a lot of good teams, not very many great teams.
Pryor has his confidence back and Iowa better
find a magic potion to funnel experience into the quarterback position. What looked like the biggest conference game of the year is looking pretty bad. Iowa better look hard to find a replacement for the Cinderella slipper that shattered with Stanzi’s ankle.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
Your logic
has a lot of holes in it.
Arizona changed QBs after the Iowa game and turned their season around. Foles has a completion pct. of 70%.
Iowa won’t beat anybody, certainly not Ohio State at the ’shoe without their QB. Book it.
Not so fast about Iowa.
The defense alone keeps them in the game. All the sudden everyone trust Pryor? I think not.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
I don't trust Pryor - and I think I'm the biggest Buckeye fan on here.
I give him huge props for going into Happy Valley last game and playing well. Given he’s from Pennsylvania and Penn St. was one of the schools on his short short list, it couldn’t have been easy going back there. But he did and he played well.
Hopefully he builds on that success this week against Iowa in what arguably could be called the “Run (and Pass) for the Roses.”
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Iowa knows that a trip the Rose Bowl is on the line.
They are going to be fired up and seem to play as the underdog.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
11/21 will be similar to some of the Cooper years
with OSU coming to Ann Arbor with a lot on the line and UM with nothing to lose but salvage the season with a win.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
Pryor
IMO, without Stanzi, Pryor doesn’t need to be great for OSU to win. Iowa’s defense is fantastic but so is OSU’s. I know very little about the Iowa back-up but what surprised me about Iowa in the Wisconsin game was how extremely conservative Kirk Ferentz was on offense and how he continued to run the ball even when the Wisconsin secondary was getting absolutely destroyed. Ferentz is going to have to rely on his back-up QB’s arm otherwise Iowa is going to have a tough day on offense.
You're right about Pryor.
The only definite is the Iowa’s defense MUST play great in order to win. The loss of Stanzi hurts, a lot. Vandenburg (his replacement) has zero experience, but he throws a better ball than Stanzi.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
The real question
Is who will win the Pac-10?
No offense, since I realize that the majority of posters here are from the Big 10 area, but the Pac-10 is by FAR the deepest conference this year. On paper, you have 5 teams with a decent chance to win the conference, although that’s asking for Oregon and Arizona to drop a few more games.
"Hey! If the moon were made of ribs, wouldja eat it? I know I would!"
I dread seeing any of our Big 10 teams play Oregon. They are scary fast
like an SEC team and execute.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
It's the uniforms. As an opposing player on defense, you are looking at those things thinking...
“Man, are THOSE ugly uniforms. I’m glad I don’t have to play in anything that hideous looking…” and by the time you snap back into the present moment, the Oregon running back or wide receiver is by you on their way to the end zone.
It’s all an illusion. They really aren’t THAT fast. ;)
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It's funny, my son loves their unis.
Not knowing until they run out and all the wacky combinations makes him excited.
I hear him fighting with his friends over who will be the Ducks on ncaa’10.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
Their speed did not help much last week
against Stanford’s brute force offense.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Nov 10, 2009 5:16 PM CST up reply actions
Hmm...
So Big-10 is not worthy of discussion here in BCB, but Pac-10 is?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Exactly
Glad to see you can keep up
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Nov 12, 2009 4:38 PM CST up reply actions
Ummmm....
…..Purdue played them, in Eugene. And nearly won that game, too.
And that’s a Purdue team at/near the BOTTOM of the Big Ten.
Now, I’m certainly not saying that the Big Ten will beat the Pac-10 in the Rose Bowl….but I wouldn’t write off any Big Ten team versus ANY Pac-10 team in ANY bowl game.
(Frankly, I haven’t been impressed by ANY team in any conference this year — there’s a lot of parity out there, and even the so-called elites like Florida/Alabama/Texas have looked beatable.)
I say this as a Hawkeye fan
Iowa may finish 0-4. A freshman backup QB who looked terrible against a mediocre Northwestern defense and a 3rd-string freshman tailback won’t be enough offense to beat Minnesota, let alone OSU.
Remember, a good defense can carry you a long way.
Defense wins championships. Maybe the “O” will be better than you think…
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If Shonn Greene were at Iowa still we'd have a shot
But, we don’t. Saturday would take a Herculean effort for a victory. We could have survived losing the QB with a stud RB to lean on. Or, we could have survived losing Hampton and Robinson at RB if we still had Stanzi to lean on. A true freshman at RB. A redshirt freshman at QB. That spells four field goals if we are lucky. I do believe Pryor can be seriously rattled. Witness the Purdue game.
At any rate, I’ll still be making the drive over on Friday. We still win at home against the Goofers and go to Florida for a nice bowl.
i Have to admit
I kinda have a soft spot for people who are fans of Iowa and the Cubs in tandem.
They must have really been taken by “The Little Engine That Could” in Elementary School. :-)
and watched a lot of Charlie Brown specials... ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Amen, brother...
Amen.
GO CATS!
(P.S. The cartoon above is how I felt yesterday when I learned that on the eve of NU’s best chance to make the NCAA Tournament arguably ever, Kevin Coble injured his foot and may be out for 4-6 weeks, if not the season…..FML)
This is a FOOTBALL post.
I’m kidding ;-)
I was sorry to hear about that, even though I’m a Badger fan. A stronger conference is better for tall the teams.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Nov 12, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
tall?
*all
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Nov 12, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
maybe you were subconsciously already looking ahead to Wisconsin's basketball season???
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Oh, I'm not sure that this season will be one to look forward to
Although I think they’ll be better than people give them credit for. Ryan gets the most out of his teams. I expect a mid-conference finish, but a tourney bid isn’t out of the question.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Nov 12, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
Any chance Ryan can change his first name?
It’s the “Bo” I have a problem with ;)
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Yeah, I can see where you would...
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Nov 14, 2009 6:03 PM CST up reply actions
The cubs, i get...
… but why bag on Iowa?
This is a team with a 12–10–1 bowl record, 12 conference titles, 1 national title, a Heisman winner, and 61 all Americans over its history.
They have made 271 appearances in the AP poll, including 106 weeks in the top 10.
They have appeared in 23 bowl games, including 21 bowl games the past 28 seasons.
I think you may need to revise your view, unless you only consider teams like Michigan and USC to be above "The Little Engine That Could" status. And read this from the Wall Street Journal, seriously:
Iowa’s improbable winning streak, which had reached 13 games and taken them as high as No. 7 in the Associated Press poll and No. 4 in the BCS standings, was one of the most stunning—if not inspiring—stories in the recent history of college football.
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by AndrewJStone on Nov 10, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
Oh no doubt...
… and i do believe that Stanzi’s ankle was karmic payback for all the great luck we’ve had so far this season.
But Kirk has consistently put Iowa in the position to win bowl games, and often, January bowl games.
AZ’s contention that Iowa Football has some sort of long term futility like the Cubs do is just plain ridiculous and ill informed.
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by AndrewJStone on Nov 10, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
I still want my :02 back from the end of the Spartan game.
Grrrrr….. :P
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Damn right.
Kemper Arena.
Georgia Tech.
Sigh…
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Actually we've had them work IN our favor, and AGAINST us at home!
u-m fans still cry over our timekeeper “Spartan Bob” leaving one second on the clock in 2001 to allow MSU one more play to beat them.
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Really, never heard of that travesty of a sham...
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
Iowa
has won ONE outright Big Ten Championship in 50 years (make it 51). They haven’t won a Rose Bowl Championship since 1958. In that time, USC has won 15 Rose Bowl Championships. There is no comparison between the two.
In a world where a 6-6 record can get you into a bowl game, that is not exactly a measurement of success. Each and every year, the teams within the Pacific Ten and Big Ten Conferences have as their ultimate goal a conference title and a Rose Bowl Championship. Iowa has not done that in 50+ years.
That is what makes Iowa comparable to the Cubs.
Sticking up for my conference mates
What does USC have to do with Iowa’s success or lack thereof?
There is no comparison between the two.
You just compared them.
By your argument, there is no comparison between Iowa football and the Cubs . . . one plays football, the other baseball.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Nov 15, 2009 5:06 PM CST up reply actions
It was
Andy Stone, in one of his typically incomprehensible posts, that brought USC into the conversation. I was just pointing out how silly that is. The Trojans have more National Championships in the last 40 years than anyone.
I wasn’t comparing Iowa to the Cubs, I was merely commenting on what it must be like to be a fan of both teams.
You are ignorant.
And you’ve proven it repeatedly over the last year. I wasn’t comparing Iowa to USC, i was contrasting it. My exact words:
…unless you only consider teams like Michigan and USC to be above “The Little Engine That Could” status.
Clearly stating that those two teams are on a different level of success.
You take a great amount of pleasure in pissing me off, but to do so with no regard for logic and with no intention of taking what i say for its intended meaning isn’t going to further your cause any. You totally ignored any measure of success i mentioned other than bowl games, which you minimalized by claiming any 6-6 team could do that while failing to realize that nearly all of the bowl games Iowa has been to in the last decade have been on new years day… in fact, in the last 10 years, our bowl opponents have been:
Texas Tech
USC
Florida
LSU
Florida
Texas
South Carolina
Not exactly a crappy list of opponents, huh? If fact, it seems we have a nasty habit of catching teams the year after they win a national championship… no easy feat.
Anyways, you’ve said all this without laying claim to any team of your own as far as i can tell, so thanks for stopping by our friendly college football conversation to insert your two cents (actual street value… less than nothing).
Dum spiro spero…
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by AndrewJStone on Nov 16, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
So this is the "Big Ten Football" thread.
Wisconsin is leading Michigan 35-24, third quarter. Can’t watch it, I don’t get Big Ten Network on my Dish Network package.
So I’m stuck following the online blog at jsonline.com. That has kept me up to date in this game.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 14, 2009 1:25 PM CST reply actions
Sorry, Wisconsin 35, Michigan 24, in the fourth quarter.
Badgers have the ball, too.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 14, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
Touchdown, Badgers!!!!!!
Wisconsin 42, Michigan 24
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 14, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
On behalf of all Spartan fans everywhere, Thank You Wisconsin! :)
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It's a FINAL now! Wisconsin 45- um 24.
Now ballhawk, no matter what happens against Iowa today, take care of business in A2. I can tell you from first hand experience (1990), beating um in the state prison is special.
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Anytime!
We’ll beat Michigan for you as many times as we can. :)
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 14, 2009 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
Badgers driving, they're running out the clock.
Zeke, I know you’ll be happy about this one. You can stick a fork in the Michigan Wolverines, they’re done today.
Next victim: Northwestern at Evanston a week from today.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 14, 2009 1:45 PM CST reply actions
Our problem is that we aren't taking care of our own business.
After 11 games, you just have to admit to yourself- our football team is not very good. Offensively, we’re able to play with anyone. Defensively, we’re horrid. We peaked defensively against Iowa. Shot our wad, so to speak.
On the plus side, we’re kicking ass and taking names in basketball and hockey! :)
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Can we hold on? Odds: 2-1 against. (Unfortunately)
If we had Iowa’s D- no problem. Sigh. Maybe the Boilers will make a mistake.
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Now tied at 37. Two and a half minutes to win it. We're due for one of those.
So due, we’re “wet”….
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Spartans return the Purdue KO 86 yards. First and goal.
Heart pounding. Why do I care so much?
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3rd down. Now comes the "dance" of time outs...
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FG Good. MSU 40- Purdue 37 1:51 to go. No TOs for Purdue.
To quote Jack Brickhouse: “Fasten those seat belts”.
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O. M. G. The Spartans hold on and WIN at West Lafayette 40-37.
And with this win, MSU becomes bowl eligible with PSU coming up in East Lansing next Saturday. A shout out to Mr. Swenson with TWO 52-yard field goals. Now the leading kicker in MSU history.
Any day that MSU wins and um loses is a special day.
Thank you Wisconsin.
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You're welcome.
Wisconsin 45, Michigan 24
Michigan State 40, Purdue 37
And Zeke, Purdue has looked good except for the game they played in Wisconsin (when they got rolled 37-0).
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 14, 2009 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
Can we call this the Iowa-OSU game thread?
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Matt Millen doing color? I just threw up on the floor.
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Iowa's D holds on the first series. OSU punts. Iowa's ball w/13:00 to go in the 1Q.
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(It's SOOOO lonely in the off-season...)
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OSU pass interference. Iowa 1st & 10 at the OSU 34 with 4:09 left in 1st Q.
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Well, since I'm the only one here, it's silly to keep posting.
May the better team win. Go GREEN!
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Zeke, I'll post a "Big Ten thread" during the week.
It will be for all of us Big Ten fans to discuss our respective games next Saturday.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 14, 2009 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry, had GRE tutoring.
I’ll be around next week for Ohio State-Michigan, Wisconsin-Northwestern, and Michigan State-?
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 14, 2009 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
MSU-PSU in EL
I’ll keep an eye out for the thread…
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I probably make it either Friday night or Saturday morning.
Sorry about disappearing on you.
Who won Iowa-Ohio State?
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 14, 2009 5:51 PM CST up reply actions
OSU on a FG in OT. A great game by both teams.
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Sounds like it.
Wished I could have seen it.
I actually watched Michigan State-Purdue today, it was the only early Big Ten football game I got on TV.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 14, 2009 5:53 PM CST up reply actions
Yes,
Seemingly much more so than Wisconsin’s 45-24 defeat of Michigan. Although, the first half was close in that game (Wisconsin led 21-17 at the half, they allowed Michigan to stay in the game).
The second half was pure domination. Wisconsin outscored Michigan 24-7 in the last two quarters.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 14, 2009 6:54 PM CST up reply actions
um getting their tails kicked in second halves has been their refrain this season...
Well, except when they play Division II schools like Delaware State.
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It was a great game.
I never expected Iowa to be as good as they have been this season so I’m happy. Vandenberg did a fantastic job today as a freshman. We will be right back in the mix for the championship next season.
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
I think Iowa will beat us again next year.
I don’t see Wisconsin being on quite the same level as Iowa next year, either.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 14, 2009 6:57 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not so sure
Iowa always plays the Badgers tough, but UW has the looks of a team that is knocking on the door of being very good. As disappointing as the Iowa game was, this has been a much better season than anyone could have reasonably expected.
And, I think the coaching staff has learned from mistakes. 2010 could be a lot of fun. First, though, they need to win at NU – always tough for them – complete a 10-2 season and upset someone in a January bowl game.
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by Shanghai Badger on Nov 15, 2009 7:42 AM CST up reply actions
did someone say
Hook Em?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
lol, nope didn't hear that.
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
ok, just checking.
MSU MIZZOU whats the difference :=)
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
good answer
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Sorry I missed the festivities yesterday
was visiting the in-laws in the burbs – you know how that goes…
Taped the game though and watching it now – halftime, Bucks up 7-3. So far, it’s been good – but not great – Pryor. With this defense, I’ll take it.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
A few minutes into the 4th quarter and OSU just scored to go up 24-10 and I'm thinking...
uh, okay, how does this thing go into OT? And then I watch the kickoff return and now I’m thinking… oh – that’s how…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Oh, and Zeke... how does Sue get her name in the title but I don't???
And just because she’s better-looking than me is not reason enough… ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Thanks man - I only hope it's not a one-week wonder...
If Earl Bruce or John Cooper were still coaching this team, I could easily see OSU suffering a complete letdown next week against UM. But Tressel is as old-school and dagummit golly-gee as they come – that sweater vest is no joke. He’s the kind of guy that when he says he’s focused on just one game at a time, you actually believe him.
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Please, please, please
DO NOT lose to them on Saturday. It’s the only thing that would salvage their season, which at this point is swirling down the bowl. Just finish the flush this weekend and we can put them to bed for the winter.
We just spanked them with a sweep in CCHA hockey over the weekend. Felt good…
One of my favorite bumper stickers: “Have You Kicked A Wolverine Today?”
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More proof that rankings are silly
Wisconsin is now ahead of Iowa, a team they lost to at home, in the USA Today rankings. #14.
Ugh, what could have been . . .
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by Shanghai Badger on Nov 15, 2009 1:15 PM CST reply actions
LOLZ, Wisconsin ahead of Iowa in one poll.
I love it.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
That's nuts. What glue sniffing, freebase loving, crack eating yahoos are voting nowadays?
No offense SB, but come on now… the Badgers over the Hawkeyes? Nuh-uh.
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Wisconsin has much, much more talent than Iowa.
Our head coach sucks, unfortunately. Wisconsin is going to end the season ranked higher than Iowa. We have two games left, Iowa has one. We’re going to beat Northwestern, whom is better than Iowa’s opponent, Minnesota. And then we end in Hawaii, and the pollsters L-O-V-E to rank teams higher with the what-have-you-done-for-me-lately reasoning. We’re gonna end on a 5 game winning streak.
U RAH RAH
WISCONSINNNNNNNNNNN
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Good luck. But remember, it's hard to win in Hawaii...
So don’t hatch your counts before they’re chicken…
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I'm not able to find it quickly
But UW has a good record there, at least recently.
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by Shanghai Badger on Nov 16, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe I'm thinking of MSU's luck there...
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We are 4-1 against Hawaii in the last 20 years.
3-0 in the last decade and half.
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OK. It's hard to win there for us. :(
You guys have it licked apparently…
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I think Bielema has shown an ability to learn from his mistakes
He’s got a ways to go yet, but I wouldn’t say he sucks.
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by Shanghai Badger on Nov 16, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
Bielema
I am not his biggest fans and a year ago I was not at all happy with him. Aside from the disappointing year the Badgers had, his overall attitude just sucked. He does seem to have learned a thing or two. I’d prefer he stop coaching special teams, thats for sure, but he has done a better job recruiting and players are developing under his staff.
I think John L. Smith is available for the right offer... ;)
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2008 - 2009 / ST
I agree that his attitude sucked last year. His mouth cost them the MSU game. The only thing this year that had me shaking my head was the decision to pull Tolzein in the third series of the Iowa game because “it was the plan”.
Several coaches have ST responsibilities. There just is no named ST coach – because of NCAA assistant limitations, they can’t hire someone just for ST with the number of coaches that they have on the staff already.
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by Shanghai Badger on Nov 17, 2009 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
Special Teams...
… have not done very well under him.
Agreed re: Tolzein, though not to a huge degree. For the OSU and Iowa games, the Badgers did a pretty poor job making second half corrections.
ST and losses
I think the ST failures are more a matter of personnel than coaching, although one could argue that the coaches should make changes in personnel.
I thought they’d win the OSU game until the TD drive late in the first half. That seemed to turn the game around.
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by Shanghai Badger on Nov 17, 2009 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
I never said that I agreed with it.
In fact, one post above, I said it was silly.
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