Rosenthal's wild idea: Could Cubs get in on 3-team deal? PLUS: cheap starters?
A Saturdaydream...
Rosenthal speculates that the Phillies would rather have Halladay than Cliff Lee, since Halladay would be willing to sign a long-term deal now. He proposes the Phillies would need to involve a third team since the Jays would want younger players, not Lee.
So, how about a deal like this?
Cliff Lee to the Cubs, Sean Marshall, Jay Jackson and Ryan Flaherty to the Jays, Halladay to the Phillies.
Yes, I'm saying the Cubs could put together a package of players that could get Halladay. The point is Halladay wouldn't sign long-term with the Cubs, but would with the Phillies, so we turn that same package into Lee.
Maybe the package would include a few different players, but I don't think you'd have to give up any of the top few prospects in such a deal.
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I doubt you do that deal without including Vitters.
Which I’d probably do.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Yeah, add Vitters
And that would sweeten the deal.
What about adding Cashner to it? Would you do it?
A LO PROFUNDOOO...NOO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NOO...DIGANLE QUE NO A ESA PELOTA!! GANAN LOS CACHORROS DE CHICAGO!!
by Azul Cachorro on Dec 12, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
Probably.
But you’d have to get rid of MB first, to be able to afford Lee.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
That's a given
Before the Cubs attempt any blockbuster deals, they gotta trade MB away.
I’m hoping Mr. Ricketts is willing to raise the payroll to accommodate any other deals, not to mention eating most of MB’s contract.
A LO PROFUNDOOO...NOO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NOO...DIGANLE QUE NO A ESA PELOTA!! GANAN LOS CACHORROS DE CHICAGO!!
by Azul Cachorro on Dec 12, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
Based on estimates I've read....
… the increase in ticket prices would support a payroll of (approximately) $154 million.
That’s about $10m more than we’ve been led to believe it’s going to be. So — where’s the extra money going?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Possibly
The “Trade Away MB/Get Curtis Granderson from Yankees Fund”? =P
Well, here’s hoping Mr. Ricketts puts it to good use
A LO PROFUNDOOO...NOO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NOO...DIGANLE QUE NO A ESA PELOTA!! GANAN LOS CACHORROS DE CHICAGO!!
by Azul Cachorro on Dec 12, 2009 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
No, that's the...
… “Trade Away MB/Get ANYONE Fund”
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
a__m l__d
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 12, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
Hallelujah!
Hallelujah! Halley-eh-ooh-jah!
Ad maiorem Dei gloriam!
by CubsWin!Oregon on Dec 12, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
can we clone him?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
If every deal to improve the team involves "deal with MB first" they won't get any done
And the offseason will be a total bust. Someone has to stop the MB obsession – they’ll deal him when they deal him, but improving the team they will acutally field in 2010 should be a higher priority.
Thats assuming...
…the Cubs won’t be paying for Bradley not to be here, which is a big assumption.
I don’t see the Cubs acquiring anyone who makes big money for 2010, period.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Define "big money".
If they sign Mike Cameron, they may have to pay him $10m. Is that “big money”?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
It will be...
…if they can’t clear enouph off of the books, and is why they can’t do anything with Cameron with Bradley still up in the air.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Why?
There’s about a 1% chance the Cubs are shedding any 2010 salary from any trade of MB. Heck, they’ll be lucky if they get rid of any 2011 money.
I can certainly buy that the Cubs don’t/won’t have the 2010 payroll flexibility to add Cliff Lee… but it wouldn’t seem to have anything to do with Bradley.
If we had to give up just those guys and maybe vitters,
I would do it in a heartbeat. Throw in [name redacted] while your at it. I don’t care is he goes to Toronto or Philly. Just get him out of here.
Milton is our quarterback.
If you look at who the Phillies dealt for Lee mid-season
There were none of Philadelphia’s top prospects, just four mid-range guys. I tried to come up with a comparable package, given that now you get only 1 year of Lee, not 1.5 years, as the Phillies did. Toronto may be more interested in one or two top prospects rather than four decent prospects, but then you make the switch to Vitters or Cashner, as others have suggested. Or, you include Wells instead of Marshall.
Fontenot (fon-te-no): Cajun for "scrappy"
Let me just add to this discussion a list of available starters
Eric Bedard
Tom Glavine
Randy Johnson
Mark Mulder
Brett Myers
Ben Sheets
Chin-Ming Wang (non-tendered by the Yankees today)
Which, if any, should the Cubs be interested in?
Whose signing will set the market price for the others?
Fontenot (fon-te-no): Cajun for "scrappy"
I'd consider Bedard if he's been given a clean bill of health
and Wang, under the same restrictions
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Dec 12, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
My first response to the list is "none of them"
Maybe Sheets if he is healthy, and would take an incentive-driven deal. Wang just lost two seasons – I wouldn’t want to be the team wagering that changes.
Sheets is asking for waaaay too much money
For a guy who didn’t pitch last year and had major surgery on his pitching arm and has injury histories. No thanks unless the price tag drops
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
by Musicdude10 on Dec 14, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
The Cubs have been connected to Sheets.
Basically, you hope the Cubs do diligence on all the under-40 guys and if someone looks healthy enough, you start talking about incentive deals.
"We’re going to come back here next year healthy and do what we’re supposed to do, and we’re going to be all right. That’s not Hendry’s fault. He thought it was the right move. It didn’t work out. But at the same time, he’s the same guy that put back-to-back championship teams together." - Aramis Ramirez
Bedard and Johnson
why not?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
No chance the Cubs have the cash to afford Eric Bedard
Randy Johnson is going to retire…Tom Glavine should have retired two years ago…Myers is a wife-beater…Wang is damaged goods….Mulder is damaged goods
The only name semi-interesting is Ben Sheets. But it sounds like he has his heart set out on pitching for Texas or Houston.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
The Angels have offered Aybar and Saunders
So I don’t see Toronto taking this offer.
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!
by CubFaninCA on Dec 12, 2009 2:54 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Has that been confirmed, or was it just a rumor?
Not questioning you, just interested.
Fontenot (fon-te-no): Cajun for "scrappy"
But wouldn't....
the cubs get a discount of sorts. In this case for keeping both pitchers out of the AL.
by Mothershipwit on Dec 12, 2009 7:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I would do that deal
Lee or Halladay would be perfect, I would include Vitters in a heartbeat.
I would take a flyer on Sheets.
Please just get rid of Milton, have Hendry work for 20 thousand next year.
Lee-Zambrano-Halladay
This would make me berry, berry happy. Baseball would be berry, berry good to me.
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
Roy Halladay is headed to the Yankees
That’s just my opinion. Yankees are prepared to offer Phillip Hughes and Jesus Montero, which is a deal that Philadelphia cannot surpass if they are hellbent not to include Kyle Drabek.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
And if they don't get Halladay, then...
…they seem poised to outbid the Angels to acquire John Lackey. And the funny thing is their payroll will still go down 2010 versus 2009 with the loss of Hideki Matsui, Chin Meing Wang, Kei Igawa, Brian Bruney.
This is why the Yankees have 27 World Series Championships. They do everything right. They scout, select and develop players right. They make good trades (e.g. Curtis Granderson). And they use free agency better than any team in baseball. It is wrong and ignorant to say the Yankees buy championships. They do EVERYTHING that goes into winning. Without developing Austin Jackson, then they can’t swing a deal for Granderson. Without developing Hughes and Montero, then they can’t be in the bidding for Halladay.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
by BLou on Dec 13, 2009 3:54 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
What an original and creative idea you have there, blou
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 13, 2009 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
"Winning is KING!"

"I have the time and hatred but not the knowledge." ~Madison Cub Fan (Aug. 25, 2009)
Agree to a point
but don’t forget their huge financial payroll helps them overcome their bad mistakes like Carl Pavano with missing a step. Not many teams can essentially write-off a huge mistake as if it didn’t happen.
Even with all their spending...
…the biggest reason the Yankees have won a bunch of WS in the last 10-12 years is because of key players they developed internally.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I agree with you
but their financial advantage plays into it as well. It is no surprise that the original poster ignored that fact.
Don't disagree...
…but I will add, if you want to win over an extended period of time, you have to develop good position players internally.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
This is mighty ironic -
Why not complain about the mistakes of adding a CF who can’t play CF, the utter misery of Pavano-Wright, the overpaying of A.J. Burnett who’s not as good as Ryan Dempster, the bidding against himself for A-Rod, the failure to develop Joba Chamberlain and Phil Hughes, the joke of a rebuttal to Daisuke in Igawa, and on we could go.
"We’re going to come back here next year healthy and do what we’re supposed to do, and we’re going to be all right. That’s not Hendry’s fault. He thought it was the right move. It didn’t work out. But at the same time, he’s the same guy that put back-to-back championship teams together." - Aramis Ramirez



















