Red Sox for Bradley?
by MDavis on Dec 14, 2009 5:20 PM CST
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With the BoSox signing John Lackey to a deal worth about $85 mil over 5 years, they have more than likely taken themselves out of the running for Bay or Holliday. They may be looking for a different,cheaper option for outfield production. Bradley could be an option. Now, i don't know what pieces would be exchanged, but its defiantely something thats worth looking into.
In addition to this, I am not quite understanding why the Cubs need to wait to sign a CF until they move Bradley. If the thought is they are moving Bradley to free up cap space, then how does acquiring another bad contract (Burrell, Rowand) free up any money?
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The chances of Milton Bradley becoming a member of the Red Sox are about equal to the chances of me being elected King of Australia.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
NO VOTE FOR AL
he would do everything in his power to move the Cubs there.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
It's the Arizona of Oceania
the ghost of stokes, camp, lugo strikes TB-sept 2009
by CubFanRaysaddict on Dec 14, 2009 5:51 PM CST up reply actions
You are 1000% right
There is zero chance Theo Epstein and Terry Francona are going to have interest in Milton Bradley. Even if the Cubs were on the hook for 95% of his salary.
Milton Bradley is immovable. Genius Jim is backed into a corner with no solution, or even semi-solution, at hand.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
I may just spend the entire offseason responding to each and every one of your comments like this.
Repetitive, yes… but you certainly aren’t saying anything new either…
I anxiously await the reasonable trading of Milton Bradley.
Dum spiro spero... | Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on Dec 14, 2009 11:29 PM CST up reply actions
Do I get a royalty ever time you do? ;-)
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2009/11/30/1178931/cubs-not-expected-to-offer#26374711
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Yes.
But i use the same royalty system as the RIAA, just so you know.
You should see a payment of about 16 cents in 2024.
I anxiously await the reasonable trading of Milton Bradley.
Dum spiro spero... | Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on Dec 15, 2009 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
50/50?
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 14, 2009 6:36 PM CST up reply actions
correct!
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 15, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
Al...
…you would make a great King!
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I'd settle...
…for letting you be Jim Hendry for a day, with full power to do as you wished.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I'd have a real busy day.
But it would be productive.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Looks like
The red sox are close to signing Mike Cameron, per Ken Rosenthal
I saw that too
An outfield of Cameron, Ellsbury and Drew is pretty good. A very good defensively.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
You mocked the idea of the Cubs signing Cameron
but if the Bosox do it then it is a good move ?
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Dec 14, 2009 6:15 PM CST up reply actions
For real
And if the white sox were to sign Cameron blou would be stumping for executive of the year for Kenny
and hailing Hendry for his woes
even tho BLou has said many times that signing Cameron is stupid.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
It's not even worth the bother...
Today it’s that. Yesterday it was Capps is intriguing, then he’s awful. Before that it was we overpaid for Fukudome, then called the poster silly after he provided links showing teams offered more. The comments just get more comical with each passing day.
by Damen Jackson on Dec 14, 2009 6:20 PM CST up reply actions
The one on Scales was MUCH funnier
It Blou’s most recent anti-Hendry tirade post he stated in one follow up comment “I did win the bet that Bobby Scales would never get 5 more hits in the big leagues” As I pointed out in that thread Scales had 30 hits last year . BLou NEVER lets the facts bother him.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Dec 14, 2009 6:31 PM CST up reply actions
Blous motto
why let facts ruin a good rant
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Oops
posted before I read your comment. Sorry.
"We’re going to come back here next year healthy and do what we’re supposed to do, and we’re going to be all right. That’s not Hendry’s fault. He thought it was the right move. It didn’t work out. But at the same time, he’s the same guy that put back-to-back championship teams together." - Aramis Ramirez
Don't worry
great minds think alike.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Dec 14, 2009 6:28 PM CST up reply actions
If Cameron is as bad as he's said in the past
this can only help his beloved Yankees, so yeah, it’s a good move.
"I have the time and hatred but not the knowledge." ~Madison Cub Fan (Aug. 25, 2009)
oh and just wait until Dempster signs his next 4 yr deal
all of a sudden, Dempster will be the crafty veteran that anchors the Yankee rotation and leads them to 4 more World Series titles…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
and soriano will be traded to the yankees
and no longer be a guess hitting hack, but the second coming of hank aaron!
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 15, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
This is hilarious.
You had been having fits about Mike Cameron as a CF for the Cubs, when that was the rumor, but now that the Red Sox are going after him, you like him as a LF!
This is too rich.
"We’re going to come back here next year healthy and do what we’re supposed to do, and we’re going to be all right. That’s not Hendry’s fault. He thought it was the right move. It didn’t work out. But at the same time, he’s the same guy that put back-to-back championship teams together." - Aramis Ramirez
The irony is killing me
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 14, 2009 6:36 PM CST up reply actions
if we sign johnson
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
great ...
now it’s Marlon Byrd, if we’re lucky.
Bradley will not be heading to Boston
As to your second question, you answered it. Acquiring a bad contract won’t free up any money and in fact may make things worse. That’s why Hendry can’t sign an expensive FA because he doesn’t know how much money he has available.
Cubs are poised to stand pat with what they have
We can thank the wondrous strategic vision and drunken sailor spending of Genius Jim for the dilemma. 2010 will be a year of fighting to get to .500.
Tom Ricketts is a fool for not cutting to the chase and beginning the full-scale rebuilding of the front office and team NOW.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Seriously???/
Why such the negative attitude? Are we certain that Soriano, Soto and such are going to have another bad year? If those guys rebound who is to say that we can’t contend with what we have? Keep the faith, it’s only December!!
In Heaven there is no beer, That's why we drink it here, and when were gone from here, all our friends will be drinking all our beer!!
by By Santo's Grace on Dec 14, 2009 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
I'm afraid you're tilting at windmills here, BSG.
"I have the time and hatred but not the knowledge." ~Madison Cub Fan (Aug. 25, 2009)
Good grief
Pinning our hopes to The Guess Hitting Hack who is the single worst outfielder baseball and The Catcher Who Ate Puerto Rico (aka, Rick Wilkins of the new milennium).
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
"Single worst outfielder [in] baseball"?
Someone’s forgotten Lou’s special treat to the baseball world.
"We’re going to come back here next year healthy and do what we’re supposed to do, and we’re going to be all right. That’s not Hendry’s fault. He thought it was the right move. It didn’t work out. But at the same time, he’s the same guy that put back-to-back championship teams together." - Aramis Ramirez
What do the numbers say about the entire OF?
I’d imagine the Cubs were one of the worst teams in fielding percentage and assists, correct?
We're not scaremongering (nightmare of a season continues), this is really happening (Bears are more than done) - Radiohead
The problem with you, BLou, is this...
… part of the FUN of cheering for a sports team is allowing yourself to be convinced every year that THIS is the year your team could do it, that THIS might be the year your team wins.
No matter how mismanaged the front office is, no matter how bumbling the coach appears to be on TV, no batter how much trouble the players get in to, we WANT to believe that we might see our guys do it this year.
You don’t seem to want that. You don’t seem to enjoy the hope. You don’t quite seem to like what everyone else is here for, for something we all do like.
You’ve let the happy little part of you were sports are fun die.
And that makes me really really sad.
And that makes me wish you’d go away now.
I anxiously await the reasonable trading of Milton Bradley.
Dum spiro spero... | Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on Dec 14, 2009 11:41 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
… part of the FUN of cheering for a sports team is allowing yourself to be convinced every year that THIS is the year your team could do it, that THIS might be the year your team wins.
And it could happen for almost any team. A lot of baseball is luck.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 15, 2009 7:37 AM CST up reply actions
part of the FUN of cheering for a sports team is allowing yourself to be convinced every year that THIS is the year your team could do it, that THIS might be the year your team wins.
My Problem with that is….I’m running out of ways to convince myself!
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
Have a few drinks
& try again.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Dec 15, 2009 8:40 AM CST up reply actions
Spoken like a true cubs fan.
I anxiously await the reasonable trading of Milton Bradley.
Dum spiro spero... | Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on Dec 15, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
Actually I drink very little and almost never at games
The Cubs ARE my drug of choice but I admit that watching games at home I would not mind some
Baileys.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Dec 15, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
Thanks for this remark...
I couldn’t have said it better myself!! GO CUBS!!
In Heaven there is no beer, That's why we drink it here, and when were gone from here, all our friends will be drinking all our beer!!
by By Santo's Grace on Dec 15, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
faith and blou
does not compute
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 14, 2009 6:38 PM CST up reply actions
common sense eludes him as well
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Yes, he is certain.
You obviously are new to BLou’s rants
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
Aww Cmon guys
After we eat all of MB’s contract, we might piece together enough money to sign Marlon Byrd and another 24th or 25th man. Then we can go into next season with some sorta fall sense are team might actually contend. We’ll spend all year arguing back and forth over whether or it’s over or not yet and we’ll get ready for 2011!
Another Great day to be a Cubs fan!
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
Well take it or leave it
http://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/6677312207
He says the Red Sox want Cameron. I hate to say I told you so, but when we signed Bradley there was a reason so much negativity went into it. If only we got Dunn
Wrigley Bound in the Summer of 2010
If only we had gotten Dunn...
then our pitchers would have gone crazy with that OF. Would an OF of Dunn-Dome-Scales have been the worst in modern history?
"We’re going to come back here next year healthy and do what we’re supposed to do, and we’re going to be all right. That’s not Hendry’s fault. He thought it was the right move. It didn’t work out. But at the same time, he’s the same guy that put back-to-back championship teams together." - Aramis Ramirez
does anyone want to see Dunn in RF for the Cubs?
even Andre Dawson said that RF at WF was the hardest to field
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
I could have lived with Dunn in RF
but not with Dome in CF.
"We’re going to come back here next year healthy and do what we’re supposed to do, and we’re going to be all right. That’s not Hendry’s fault. He thought it was the right move. It didn’t work out. But at the same time, he’s the same guy that put back-to-back championship teams together." - Aramis Ramirez
maybe with Dunn...
…Sori wouldn’t have played as much in LF…
by TheHawkRules on Dec 14, 2009 10:46 PM CST up reply actions
Do I?
No. Do some? Absolutely. Plenty of people think that a player can outhit his defensive woes. It’s an interesting argument, but I don’t think it’s true.
by Damen Jackson on Dec 14, 2009 7:03 PM CST up reply actions
When I first read the title of your post,
It looked like you were proposing we trade Bradley for the entire Red Sox team. I would say yes to that deal. I would even throw in Vitters and Castro. GETITDONEJ1M!
"Any old kind of run wins it!"--Jack Brickhouse
by MannyTrilloFlipsTo1B on Dec 14, 2009 7:07 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Crap.
Now we’re going to get stuck with Marlon Byrd.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Wow...
Then I stand corrected. And I suppose that you do too, in regards to Hendry not being held up on moves by Bradley. Somewhere Piniella is fuming.
by Damen Jackson on Dec 14, 2009 8:24 PM CST up reply actions
I really really hope Hendry can find some other option
Why do the Red Sox need Cameron anyway?
Wrigley Bound in the Summer of 2010
to play left
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 14, 2009 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
or Johnny Damon
great googlie mooglie, did I just suggest signing fkin Damon?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Enough with Jim Hendry! I have been an ardent supporter of him until now!
Mike Cameron appeared to be THE best option for Centerfield, now we are left with virtually nothing. We either stick with Bradley and Fukudome, which is a disaster, or sign Marlon Byrd, who isn’t that great (I saw him play in DC, and I’d say Bradley would be a better bat then him). What’s Jim Hendry’s solution? “Well we tried to trade Bradley so we couldn’t sign anyone else til we got him. At least we have Sam Fuld for CF.”
Hendry needs to make a move soon if he wants to still be employed. Seriously? Are you all satisfied with having Byrd in CF? Well maybe we could try Pie..oh wait, we traded him for virtually Aaron Heilman last off season. That looks like a great trade as well! Meh..
Wrigley Bound in the Summer of 2010
I don't believe he'll sign Byrd...
Sounds nice, but Hendry’s got to be thinking that the Cubs will be eating a ton of cash next season, and Byrd isn’t really a value add. He’ll shake the tree for a decent trade, and if not, try grabbing Cust or Church. Just watch.
by Damen Jackson on Dec 14, 2009 8:27 PM CST up reply actions
Cust?
He’s a DH. That would be a ridiculously stupid signing.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
You do remember who we're
talking about, right?
by Damen Jackson on Dec 14, 2009 8:39 PM CST up reply actions
Wow, if Hendry really signs Jack Cust...
… he has lost his mind.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I would not rule out
him pulling some %#@!! like that, and leaving Fukudome in center to start the season.
by Damen Jackson on Dec 14, 2009 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
Damon/Pods or who knows what
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
coincidentally, neither can play CF
Damon’s too old and Pods never could. Pods would be a desired commodity if he was a CF.
at daver's request, Let's frontload this B**ch!
i agree 100% no doubt
but the options are getting minimal, unless we pull off a trade of go within
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Hendry has already signed a FA player to be his CF and
Soriano is limited to LF. Pods is an asset at the plate and on base, but there’s no place to play him. He’s Micah Hoffpauir without power, with speed.
at daver's request, Let's frontload this B**ch!
Hendry has signed a FA to be his CF?
Who would that be?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Scott Podsednik or Jack Cust are worse options than doing nothing
Podsednik is an AWFUL outfielder. As in really, really bad. Cust is strictly a DH. Unless Hendry wants to continue operating under the belief that the Cubs play in a beer league, might I suggest these two can’t possibly be options on the table.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Jesus. I agree with you again....
I would advocate Ryan church though. Why the hell not? One year deal for $1.5 plus incentives and an option?
Come on Lisa, I'm trying to impress people here. You don't win friends with salad. ~ Homer J. Simpson
by TheBeerBaron on Dec 14, 2009 9:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'd take a flier on Church at this point
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 14, 2009 9:44 PM CST up reply actions
I imagine Ryan Church is up for consideration
He’s cheap and you know what you are getting. Church can be a useful 4th outfielder in the context of Genius Jim being boxed into a corner otherwise with the moves he can make to get better.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
tbh
I’ve said all offseason that, while I didn’t expect it, that I thought Sam Fuld in CF and Jeff Baker as the starting 2nd baseman might be better than any combination we could get for those two spots, when all factors are considered (cost, fit, ability, need).
That said, I think Hendry will make a move. It’ll probably be something a bit rash – perhaps a trade for Melky Cabrera (I seriously don’t want that) or Brett Gardner (I don’t want it, … but not at the level of my distaste for a Melky trade and for some different reasons).
I know you've mentioned this before, but I just don't remember the details.
Why not Gardner? His defensive numbers are great, he’s young, and he’s shown signs that he is coming around against left handed pitching.
My issue
has little to do with Gardner’s ability. Simply put, I believe Fuld to be a similar type talent. He doesn’t have Gardner’s speed anymore (after the injury), but he has a better arm, more than enough range for center, and I believe, having seen both, that Fuld has a bit more pop in him (granted, it’s not much … but I view Gardner as a slap the ball, move it around guy). Fuld’s shown he can hit from both sides as well (granted, it’s a very odd splits history).
Short of it is, I would hate to give up assets for Gardner when I believe the only difference between the two is that one has had the opportunity to play … and the other hasn’t. That said, I wouldn’t hate the move. Gardner’s skills fits a need for the team at the top of the lineup.
this team might do a lot of good this season
with lowering the amount of people infront of me on the season ticket waiting list, woo hoo
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
The problem with that...
…is by the time they get down to you, you probably wouldn’t want the tickets.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
So right now...
Cubs shape up as the following.
1. Fuld – CF (yet another craptastic non-prospect journeyman who the Cubs)
2. Theriot – SS (nuff said)
3. Lee – 1st
4. Ramirez – 3rd
5. Fukudome – RF (because SOMEBODY has to break up the righties in the middle, and it falls on the shoulders of the So Taguchi clone)
6. Soriano – LF
7. Fontenot – 2nd
8. Soto – Cat
Bench…Bradley, Baker, Hill, Blanco,
Rotation…Zambrano, Dempster, Lilly, Wells, Gorzelanney
Pen…Marmol, Grabow, Guzman, etc.
Sorry, but what is printed above translates into an 85 to 90 loss team.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Which should still be good enough to win the central.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
by Ross on Dec 14, 2009 9:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
"We’re going to come back here next year healthy and do what we’re supposed to do, and we’re going to be all right. That’s not Hendry’s fault. He thought it was the right move. It didn’t work out. But at the same time, he’s the same guy that put back-to-back championship teams together." - Aramis Ramirez
You've really been unmasked these past few days.
You hated the idea of signing Cameron. So to come on now and go on and on about how the Cubs are worse than ever shows what you’re all about. You aren’t interested in talking about the Cubs. All you want is to spin every event into people here being angry at Jim Hendry. It’s a sad game you’re playing, but at least now everyone knows what you’re about.
Hopefully someday soon you’ll give up the game and go back to talking about the Cubs.
"We’re going to come back here next year healthy and do what we’re supposed to do, and we’re going to be all right. That’s not Hendry’s fault. He thought it was the right move. It didn’t work out. But at the same time, he’s the same guy that put back-to-back championship teams together." - Aramis Ramirez
I hated the idea of Cameron
THAT IS 100% FACT. But I don’t think I’ve changed my tune one iota on the dismal prospects facing the Cubs this offseason. It wasn’t about losing out on Cameron. Rather it is about Genius Jim being completely and totally boxed into a corner.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
you are praising the singning of him by the BoSox damn near
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Thank you for the witty, courteous, unrepetitive, well reasoned, nicely argued and constructive comment.
I feel enlightened and informed by it, and consider the time I took to read it was spent in a worthwhile fashion. I will now go and jump off a bridge, because there is no hope for 2010.
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
Wow you're still doing this?
5. Fukudome – RF (because SOMEBODY has to break up the righties in the middle, and it falls on the shoulders of the So Taguchi clone)
Those 2 players have only one thing in common and it’s telling that you focusing on that.
Bradley's Going Nowhere
The message has been sent to both Jim Hendry and Milton Bradley – nobody wants MB. Nobody thinks he is worth the trouble. The Cubs are stuck with him.
Really, the only hope is that Bradley takes this as a challenge and brings his A game come spring training. No, I don’t think there is any chance of happening, either.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
The Milton Bradley Reconciliation Press Conference is due any day
There is no other option because Kenny Crane says eating $21 million isn’t an option and because the market for Bradley isn’t going to “open up.”
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Huh???
I’m under the impression that’s exactly what he said!
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
Then what is going to happen Al
I’m not trying to jump down your throat, but you have been wrong at every turn on this Milton Bradley thing. You fell hook line and sinker for the ridiculous suggestion that multiple teams had interest in Bradley. And of late you seem to think the market will open up for Bradley.
I don’t get it. Surely even you understand that the options are extremely non-existent at this stage. Cubs either eat the contract or the reconcile with Bradley. A third option I guess would be to bury him on the IR for two seasons, but I’m guessin’ the players’ union wouldn’t like that terribly much.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
How come no one mentini
Come on Lisa, I'm trying to impress people here. You don't win friends with salad. ~ Homer J. Simpson
by TheBeerBaron on Dec 14, 2009 9:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Sorry, iPhone error.
Bradley is a better option next year than anything you’ll get in return.
Come on Lisa, I'm trying to impress people here. You don't win friends with salad. ~ Homer J. Simpson
by TheBeerBaron on Dec 14, 2009 9:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hence why Bradley reconciliation has to be something on the table
Nobody wants Bradley back. But the situation is such that Genius Jim may be forced to replace the donut in his mouth with a helping of crow.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
They'll probably wind up eating the contract.
It’s a bad solution, but there isn’t a good one.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Since Hendry isn't going to be doing much...
… good this offseason, I wouldn’t have minded him signing Hideki Matsui for the one year deal the Angel gave for him. I wouldn’t have minded him playing a combo of RF/CF/LF for a 120 games… and then come up the bench. After the season, if he was a dud, then we could move on…
hahahahaahhaha
seriously?
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 14, 2009 11:13 PM CST up reply actions
What Hendry should have done
was sign Bobby Abreu for nothing last year. Simple as that. Would have cost about $5 million, no long term commitment and look at the production.
Instead…..well, you know.
Come on Lisa, I'm trying to impress people here. You don't win friends with salad. ~ Homer J. Simpson
by TheBeerBaron on Dec 15, 2009 1:40 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
curious
at this time last year, with the big four still out there (Dunn, Bradley, Ibanez, and Abreu), was Abreu at the top of your list? If so, kudos to you for your “they still got it” recognition skills.
I had them ranked as I do above – Abreu was last on my list. And all talent aside, the Angels lucked into the $5M contract. There’s no way to predict/expect that was going to happen at the start of the offseason for any of them.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Dec 15, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, and just so you don't think...
I’m blowing smoke:
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2009/2/10/755524/abreu-v-bradley#12138003
Check it out, if you want a laugh. Guess who is touting the Bradley signing in reply.
by Damen Jackson on Dec 15, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
+20/20 hindsight
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 15, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah...
…that would have been cool. But that was then. I was just thinking of this offseason. Matsui prolly wouldn’t have been the greatest deal in the world, but it would have been better than what we have…
by TheHawkRules on Dec 15, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
No
No he wouldnt
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 15, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
If this was done where would we be now(
Would the Cubs be in on Bay and Holliday moving one of them to RF or would we be looking for a CF? Bradley or no Bradley last years team would not have made the playoffs and instead of thinking you had a locked up OF for 3 years (which is what Jim thought he had going into 2009) Bradley, Sori, Fuku, we would have been one and done on a 3rd OF wondering where to go kind of like we are now.
For all of everyone’s complaining the move of getting Bradley to the Cubs was a good one IN THEORY.
Hideki Matsui?
You mean the guy who can’t play OF any more? Why would you do that?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Because...
He can play OF, at least a little…
and he’s better than what we have…
by TheHawkRules on Dec 15, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
Better at what exactly?
Matsui didn’t play a single game in the outfield in 2009.
He only played 24 games in 2008.
He hasn’t played center field since 2005.
Even when he could play in the outfield consistently, he was a terrible defender – he has a career UZR/150 of -14.4 in left field, and -30.5 in center field.
Actually,
…Which, I still think he could have been a better choice than MB. A lot of people only expected MB to play around 120 games last year in the OF….anything more was to be icing on the cake. HM prolly could have done that this year… at a cheaper price, and for only a 1 year deal.
So… I would rather have had HM this season, than this MB fellow that is looks like we will be stuck with…
Either way, doesn’t matter. HM has signed with another team.
by TheHawkRules on Dec 15, 2009 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
BTW
…Even if HM sucked, got hurt, and did little… I would still rather him him 6 million than give MB his 10+ for being the pain he is.
by TheHawkRules on Dec 15, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
If you are looking at it on a year by year basis...
$10+ million isn’t really fair. I believe MB only made $7 million for the 2009 season.
I anxiously await the reasonable trading of Milton Bradley.
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by AndrewJStone on Dec 15, 2009 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
Well...
…I was only talking about this upcoming season. I don’t think HM was a free agent last season.
It doesn’t really matter anyway. HM already signed with another team, and it’s becoming more likely that MB will be our RF again next year. (Still plenty of time for him to go… but I just think the longer it takes, the less likely it will happen)
I just say what I’d like… and certain peeps come up, exhibit their stupidity, cause fights, etc… (i’m not saying you did AndrewJStone)
Its no big deal. People don’t have to agree, etc…
by TheHawkRules on Dec 15, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
My bad.
I thought we were still talking about last year, not the upcoming.
I anxiously await the reasonable trading of Milton Bradley.
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by AndrewJStone on Dec 15, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
Ok dude
Despite the fact the Matsui has never played right field in his career, hasn’t played any defensive position in 2 years, and when he lasted played defense and was 3 years younger and terrible at it, you still would have signed him for millions of dollars to go out there an man the hardest right field and baseball.
I just wanted to make sure I was understanding this correctly.
Over what we have...
Yep… I would. Anyday. BTW: he has played right field…
by TheHawkRules on Dec 15, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
If a better alternative opened up...
… then of course, I would have gone with that.
But, as it stands… either him of MB… I would rather have HM.
by TheHawkRules on Dec 15, 2009 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
He has played 7 games in his career in right field
He’s almost as much a right fielder as Sean Marshall is a left fielder.
"Despite the fact the Matsui has never played right field in his career"
LOL,,,, ahhh…crying? lol
by TheHawkRules on Dec 15, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
Ohhhh kay.
Being used 3 times one year and 4 times another year as an emergency right fielder doesn’t make him a right fielder. That’s my point. I was completely aware of the 7 games he played there when I typed that sentence.
LOL
ssssuuuuuurrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
by TheHawkRules on Dec 15, 2009 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
Hah! Hilarious.
Kudos to you, sir. You just made me crack my first smile for the day.
I anxiously await the reasonable trading of Milton Bradley.
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by AndrewJStone on Dec 15, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
And the Cubs already have a LH hitting right fielder
Fukudome. And for anyone who wants him playing in CF, the pitching staff would like to have a discussion with you……
If the Cubs are stuck with Bradley
………this season is done. There’s no way to spin this to a roster full of players that can’t stand the guy.
It’s not inconceivable to think if the season goes south early that Ricketts launches Hendry around Memorial Day and the Cubs put Lee, Lilly, and Ram on the trading block. All three would net a nice return of prospects to build around down the line. Personally, I think that’s a better alternative than Jim Hendry trying to patch the holes he’s created for the team year after year.
Also, Mike Cameron’s not here because he got 2 years………..I would have liked to see him in CF for ONE year…………not 2. Get ready for Mr. Ankiel
Sure there is, if they have strong enough personalities...
The Cubs team is made up of 25 men, at least one of whom is a total malcontent. The question is, can the other 24 reign in the one, and if not, can they get along without him or despite him.
Bradley is just the latest in a long line of pricks in baseball, and teams have won despite them in the past.
Honestly, my bigger concern is the media, and I say that as a guy who has written a lot of articles and done a lot of interviews over the years. Controversy sells papers, and the beat writers know exactly where to go to get controversy. Even if life around the Cubs clubhouse is filled with flowers, birds and little puppies, somebody will ask a question designed to light the fuse on Mt. Bradley.
All that said, this is the Cubs last or next to last chance with this group of players. If they pull another swan dive like last season, I fully expect to see some of our “favorites” moved for “prospects”.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
ok
so there’s no way to spin this to the media. Either way, bringing MB back is a disaster. I think the best idea is MB for Burrell and then flipping him to the Mets for Castillo. Obviously if the Mets sign Bay that scenario is out the window and the likelihood of Bradley here in 2010 grows. A potential lineup?
Castillo 2B
Theriot SS…..ughhhhhhhhhhh
Lee 1B
Ramirez 3B
Ankiel CF
Hack LF
Soto C
Fukudome RF
IMO this is not an unlikely scenario. Not ideal but better than having Sam Fuld and Mike Fontenot in the lineup everyday
I think there is a way to spin it to the media.
You just say – “We’re not commenting because we’re not paying attention to him.” Let Bradley do and say what he wants and never comment on it. Eventually he’ll either tire out or cross a line that lets the Cubs off the hook for the rest of the contract. Or, better, yet – he’ll actually make moves to reconcile with the team…
"We’re going to come back here next year healthy and do what we’re supposed to do, and we’re going to be all right. That’s not Hendry’s fault. He thought it was the right move. It didn’t work out. But at the same time, he’s the same guy that put back-to-back championship teams together." - Aramis Ramirez
On what imaginary planet are you expecting this to happen?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Oh I don't expect it to happen.
"We’re going to come back here next year healthy and do what we’re supposed to do, and we’re going to be all right. That’s not Hendry’s fault. He thought it was the right move. It didn’t work out. But at the same time, he’s the same guy that put back-to-back championship teams together." - Aramis Ramirez
It's still - what 100 to 1 -
that Bradley would come back in any circumstance? The question, though, was whether or not there’s a way to spin it.
"We’re going to come back here next year healthy and do what we’re supposed to do, and we’re going to be all right. That’s not Hendry’s fault. He thought it was the right move. It didn’t work out. But at the same time, he’s the same guy that put back-to-back championship teams together." - Aramis Ramirez
I agree... because it is the only chance
The Cubs are not going to eat 21 million dollars. They just aren’t. And if nobody else wants MB, then there is little choice of what happens.
Dempster has gone on record saying he, among others, are cool with MB coming back. So, that doesn’t seem like a problem. They know that the man can hit and if he is on, he would be a valuable piece to have.
MB has been curiously quiet during this whole thing, and I for one think that is a good sign. There is maybe just the slightest chance that he might figure out that he is at a major crossroads in his baseball career. He has his money, sure, but there is much to be said for pride as well.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
He has his money...
… but if he wants to make any more, he better chill the hell out. Hopefully his agent is explaining that to him almost daily.
If he screws around for the next two years, he’s never going to see anything but one year, incentive laden contracts again.
I anxiously await the reasonable trading of Milton Bradley.
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by AndrewJStone on Dec 15, 2009 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
I have three words for you to describe the problem - "defective brain chemistry"
I mean, Bradley tore his own ACL fighting his with his coach because he wanted to go after an umpire. The ump acted out, but what part of that episode says " makes sound, well-considered decisions."
If he screws around for the next two years...
… he’ll be out of baseball after that.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I wonder
He still is talented. Yes, no one is going to sign him to a guaranteed, multi-year contract, but I could see a GM signing him to a heavily incentive laden short-term one. Maybe multiple one year contracts for the rest of his career. He is a talented player still and I think that somoene will make an exception but only on their terms.
by jerry morales rules on Dec 15, 2009 4:16 PM CST up reply actions
Bradley will turn 34 just after Opening Day 2012.
Given his antics over the course of his career, I can’t see anyone doing that.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I would caution against
you thinking that Bradley is thinking in logical terms. He displayed none of that lst year. he could have jsut played the good guy and he’ll sign another big contract when this one runs out, but he won’t because of his actions. he’s costing himself tens of millions of dollars by the way he is acting. bradley is a smart man and I’m sure he knows what he’s doing. He just doens’t care.
That’s what Bradley does. He’s good at not giving a crap. BTW, that’s why he hasn’t talked.
by jerry morales rules on Dec 15, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
ORLY?
That’s what Bradley does. He’s good at not giving a crap. BTW, that’s why he hasn’t talked.
That pretty much flys in the face of everything else we’ve heard about him. While the dude has issues, caring / effort / giving a crap isn’t one of them.
Care to cite sources, or should we just chalk this up as meaningless, unfounded, wild speculation with little to no bearing on reality?
I anxiously await the reasonable trading of Milton Bradley.
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by AndrewJStone on Dec 15, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
He refused to pinch hit when asked
How about you reading this from the Tribune
What else do you need? Piniella called him a piece of (crap). That is well documented.
I’m sure Bradley cares about something, but what that is is beyond my comprehension. It’s certainly not about being the best teammate he can be and doing everything he can to make sure the Chicago Cubs win as many ballgames as they can. That has been well demonstrated and documented during ’09.
by jerry morales rules on Dec 15, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
That fact that nobody here is supporting you...
… on a site brimming with people looking for any reason to bash the dude at the drop of a hat, says enough.
I’m not trying to make some argument for keeping him here or anything. I’m just pointing out that among the problems Bradley has exhibited, effort has never been one.
I anxiously await the reasonable trading of Milton Bradley.
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by AndrewJStone on Dec 15, 2009 4:31 PM CST up reply actions
Are you kidding?
That’s your argument? Did you happen to notice that you have no support either before you wrote? Not that it means anything. I’m just saying that it seems awfully silly for you to take that position and have no support yourself.
I’m not saying that Bradley hasn’t shown energy out on the field, but that doens’t mean he cares whether the team wins or loses. The guy quit on the team and that is well documented. It is obvious that his energies are not directed towards the team winning at all costs.
by jerry morales rules on Dec 16, 2009 9:13 AM CST up reply actions
Not kidding at all.
Your criticism of Bradley is popular. My defense isn’t. The fact that people aren’t leaping to your defense shows me something. Think about it.
The argument has been made here, on multiple occasions, that maybe MB cares a little TOO much. He didn’t quit on the team, he was sent home… for reasons that had nothing to do with effort or not caring. Your assertions are laughable.
I anxiously await the reasonable trading of Milton Bradley.
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by AndrewJStone on Dec 16, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
Seriously
How exactly does his caring too much for the team translate to him refusing to pinch hit? How do those two things square? Perhpas you are misreading what I am saying.
I did write earlier that he “doesn’t give a crap”, yet what I really meant was that whether the Cubs win or not is not necessarily what his prime focus is. I see that Bradley goes out there and hustles and takes calls and outs harshly. However, I don’t know that that is necessarily in order to help the Cubs win or if it’s some other factor. In addition to those things, I see selfish behaviour on par with nothing that I have ever seen a professional sports player do. There are so many of those behaviours exhibited that I have to wonder what his ultimate motivations are. He is a smart guy and I can’t see that he could view his own actions as being compatible with that. It makes no sense unless he has differnt motivations.
You asked me to cite information and I did that for you. There are many, many more exhibits I could provide as well. I would really appreciate you telling me how his appaling behaviors this year were condusive to a “win at all costs” mentality. At a minimum, how did refusing to pinch hit help the team?
I have no idea what you are trying to say with your first paragraph. How can my defense be both popular yet no one wants to support it? Can you show me some evidense of how many people have read it? I suspect at this point you and I may be the only ones going back to this thread. My guess is that people just don’t care to write anything more than they don’t feel one way or the other. In any event, it is a ludicrous point to suggest that some non-resoponses to an internet thread are somehow indicative of anything.
by jerry morales rules on Dec 16, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
Dempster was just being politically correct when he said that.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
on what facts
do you base this statement?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 15, 2009 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
I was at the news conference and saw him make the statement.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
so you're basing that off
of you interpretation of his… tone of voice? Visual expression? Posture?
I love how some statements made to the press are gold, and others are being politically correct, and some off the record statements are true blue, and others are just not applicable…
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 15, 2009 5:29 PM CST up reply actions
The entire package of how the question was asked and answered.
I can’t describe it, but if you had been there, I think you would have reached the same conclusion.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Adrian Gonzalez
So, I heard on AM 1000 that now that Boston has pitching depth the are going to set thier sights on getting Gonzalez from San Diego. Nice move for them if they can pull it off. Maybe they will be able to compete with the Yankees.
by jerry morales rules on Dec 15, 2009 1:54 PM CST reply actions
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