Pierre traded to Chicago..
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Wow...Not a good trade IMO
He still has quite a few $$$ remaining on his contract. They should have just resigned Pods to a two year deal for 12 mill (although the Dodgers took out 9 mill, but that still is a lot of $$$ for a mediocre leadoff hitter)
He's mediocre...
But Podsednik is just bad. So you get him cheaper than Pods (under your proposal) and you get a better player, I don’t think it’s that bad a deal for them.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Dec 15, 2009 7:06 PM CST up reply actions
Meh...
Two years of Juan Pierre at $9 million? I don’t hate it. Funny though that teams around baseball seem to be eating at least half on these contracts to make their problems go away, yet the Cubs think they can keep their money for someone who’s an even bigger problem.
I don't understand what the White Sox are doing here.
They’re going to be really disappointed.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
And either Quentin is being traded or you signed Kotsay as your 4th outfielder for 3yrs at 14 mil.
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They're doing what the always do...
Bargain shop, hoping to catch lightning in a bottle. Pierre is completely consistent with their philosophy though; good OBP at the top of the lineup, with superior speed. They don’t care if he won’t slug his weight, and after watching Swisher out there recently, Juan will look like an upgrade defensively.
I don’t hate it, and I still like him better than Wise or Podsednik.
by Damen Jackson on Dec 15, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
That's hardly "bargain" shopping at $9 million a year.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Agreed, this deal makes sense if they didn't shoot the moon
through waivers and get stuck with Rios. Whatever value Rios has is as a CF. This team now has Andruw Jones, Pierre, Rios, and Kotsay? Coupled with Quentin’s health/production, what is KW trying to put together down there?
I’m guessing KW hopes Jones looks conscious to develop some value as a trade chip down the line.
at daver's request, Let's frontload this B**ch!
That's an interesting idea.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Dec 15, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
FWIW..
I did hear some talk last month about Rios manning center, and Quentin moving to right. Pierre in left might make you feel a bit better.
by Damen Jackson on Dec 15, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
didn't it read...
more like $9 million for the two years? The Dodgers were eating half of it. If that’s the case, it’s an OK move.
by RMRZisMYmanCRUSH on Dec 15, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
I believe it's $9 for both years
as the Dodgers are paying half of Pierre’s salary.
I’m guessing Pierre will lead off for the Sox which will be interesting. I don’t think he’s ever played in the AL so there will be an adjustment. Juan didn’t seem to adjust very quickly after being traded the first time to a Chicago team so we’ll see. I’m not quite sure how Juan will react to Ozzie’s rants, that should be interesting.
Who knows if this will work out. I thought the Sox were crazy to trade Carlos Lee for Scotty Pods and look how that turned out.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Dec 15, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
Even at $9m for BOTH years...
… it’s still kind of inexplicable.
Pierre will lead off? Hope they like that .330 OBP in the leadoff spot.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I really think they'll be happier than you imagine..
Guillen really does appear to like a more diverse offense that what the Butt Brothers were giving him. With Pierre and some of the younger guys stealing bases, going first to third, and creating a little more tension for opposing pitchers, this could be okay for them.
by Damen Jackson on Dec 15, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
Thome, Dye, and Konerko
All ass, no legs. Station-station baserunners.
by Damen Jackson on Dec 15, 2009 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
Got it. If ever there were "base-cloggers", they were it.
"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin
at that price it's not a bad deal for the Sox
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
You're misreading...
It $9 million total, for both years. And as such, I say “Meh!”.
by Damen Jackson on Dec 15, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
The White Sox acquired Juan Pierre from the Dodgers for two minor league pitchers, according to Yahoo’s Tim Brown (and confirmed by Ken Rosenthal). The Dodgers will take on roughly half of Pierre’s salary. The outfielder has $18.5MM remaining on his deal ($10MM next year and $8.5MM in 2011), so the Dodgers are taking on about $9MM.
Pierre, 32, hit .308/.365/.392 in 425 plate appearances for the Dodgers last year. He stole 30 bases and played well in the outfield, according to UZR (though we don’t want to draw sweeping conclusions from 750 innings of work).
The White Sox had shown interest in Scott Podsednik and Brett Gardner, but they appear set with their new addition. If Pierre performs close to last year’s levels, the White Sox will have themselves a bargain (depending on the pitchers they give up).
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I ♥♡✓☀✌☑ this trade!
Anything that makes [redacted] worse, makes me happy.
Good job Mr. Williams! I knew you had it in you all along!
Thanks for almost causing me a heart attack.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Dec 15, 2009 11:06 AM CST reply actions
HAHAHHHAHAHAHAHA.
ENJOY THE ARM THAT’S COMPARABLE TO A 9 YEAR OLD.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
i always said
he could run the ball in faster than he could throw it in.
what drove me nuts with him was that his OBP was almost identical to his BA
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
And the Cubs had Jacque Jones in RF with Pierre in CF
Can you imagine two worse throwing arms side-by-side in one OF?
My favorite moment was in this game, when Damian Miller – yes, Damian Miller – advanced from first to second on a flyball to CF.
by Jody Jody Davis on Dec 15, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
Nice Try
The Cubs can’t take on Pierre’s salary unless they are able to unload an equivalent salary on the Dodgers. And the Dodgers already know how insane [name redacted] is, having seen his act up close before.
And to any Sox fans reading this – I hope you enjoy weak popups to shallow left field and three-hoppers to the second baseman, because Pierre is going to produce a lot of those.
by Jody Jody Davis on Dec 15, 2009 11:43 AM CST reply actions
And steals when the game is decided or the team is out of
contention.
at daver's request, Let's frontload this B**ch!
Decent trade
I mean, they aren’t paying much for him, and he can probably still be average defensively, so you hope for a lucky year offensively. That said, they did give up two useful upper level arms to land him, two guys that should see time in the majors in some role.
Who are the pitchers?
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
The pitchers are inconsequential
The best pitcher in their system is Danny Hudson. He projects well. And they kept him.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
so you believe as long as its not Hudson...
its inconsequential who they gave up? That makes a great deal of sense.
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
Neither Ely or Link are considered among the top 20 prospects in the Sox system.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Good trade for the Sox
Juan Pierre for $9 million spread over two years is a bargain. He gives them the speed and the leadoff hitter they covet and enables them to move Carlos Quentin to right field where he is ideally suited.
Kenny Williams runs circles around Jim Hendry with much less financial resources. That rotation and bullpen they have are going to take them places.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Not sure about the BP, yet.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
What bullpen?
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Dec 15, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
Sox had the 2nd best BP in the AL last year...
they subtracted Carrasco but added, Putz and will have Hudson in long relief for the full year.
A team that was 4 games under .500 last year
gets Juan Pierre and suddenly they are going places? Wow, even I don’t know what to say about your inability to assess baseball talent after that one.
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
You know,
The Sox have some very promising positional talent, and decent starting pitching. In that division, if Williams can cobble some relief help together, they’ll be contending by August.
by Damen Jackson on Dec 15, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
I do really like Beckham and Ramirez
Getz could be good but wasn’t impressive last year. Rios and Pierre are bad, Jones is bad, Vizquel is old, Pierzynski is getting old. Overall, don’t like that offense.
Pitching, they could have a great rotation, one of the best in baseball. That bullpen is shakey though adding Putz is a step in the right direction.
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
+1
The Sox offense could be really bad next year with Pierre, Teahen, Jones, and Rios, but their rotation is dynamite if Peavy is completely healthy, and in their division that might be enough.
by Jody Jody Davis on Dec 15, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
+1
The Sox rotation, IMHO, is the best in baseball.
Their lineup is shaky at best.
I do like their chances in that division. Cleveland and Detroit are selling off assets. Kansas City is Kansas City. The Twins are moving outside. I have a feeling that they will be a different team outdoors. They were 49-32 in the dome last year.
It is sad to say but (I know it is still very early……) I like their chances better than ours in 2010.
by timeforachange2009 on Dec 15, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
I'd take Boston and Yankees over them
in a heartbeat.
by jerry morales rules on Dec 15, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
I agree that the Sox have the best rotation in baseball
Peavy, Danks, Floyd, Buerhle…with a now healthy Freddy Garcia as 5th starter and Danny Hudson waiting in the wings. That’s pretty damned good.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Getz is gone
to KC in Teahan deal.
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Oops, that's right
forgot about that
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
So if the Cubs had gotten Pierre on the same terms
you ould be calling Hendry a genius ? I kind of doubt that.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Dec 15, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
I know you know the deal
but BLou was talking about how stupid Cubs fans are for believing Mike Cameron would be a good edition to the Cubs. Then, when he signed with the Red Sox, he went on and on about how this proves Theo Epstein is the best general manager in baseball.
So, basically the moral of the story, bash Cubs fans or Hendry every chance it gets even if it contradicts many, many former statements made. That’s BLou’s M.O.
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
Change the names...
… and you could have Al and many other Cubbies fans reactions to any move the Sox make.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
Well, I dunno.
Sometimes I think the Sox make good moves. The Peavy deal has turned out pretty well for them, though I thought at the time they gave up too much.
Juan Pierre? You’re gonna love that noodle arm.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
In LF, while you may...
… find yourself loving Podsednik’s “noodle arm” in your teams CF.
His acquisition means Scott Podsednik’s days on the South Side are done, although the Cubs may still have some interest.
Scott had a very good year in 2005 and last year was a catalyst too. Terrible base runner though. I’ll miss seeing Scott’s wife though…
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
He'd be a fourth outfielder
not an everyday starter
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
Who is the (projected) starting CF?
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
At the end of the day.....
It wil turn out the White Sox gave up little to nothing for Peavy.
I wish the Cubs would have acquired him. I would feel much better going into 2010 with him in the rotation.
by timeforachange2009 on Dec 15, 2009 6:55 PM CST up reply actions
I don't disagree......
but, getting back to baseball……
Your entire season hinges on whether Alex Rios can play. If he returns to form you win the division. If not, KW should be forced to look for a new job. This is his Degree “All in Moment”……..
by timeforachange2009 on Dec 15, 2009 6:57 PM CST up reply actions
All the Sox need Rios to do...
…is to be a fine defensive centerfielder and give them 20 HRs and 70 RBIs in the lower third of the batting order. If Rios can do that, then the Sox will be happy. And the talent is definitely there for him to do much more. But he seems to be enigmatic.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
The only people who love Kenny Williams more than BLou
The Blue Jays.
And now the Dodgers.
"I'd rather hit home runs you don't have to run as hard." -- Dave Kingman
by BucknerKongCardenal on Dec 15, 2009 10:23 PM CST up reply actions
You get what you pay for.
The Sox will be paying 9 million over 2 years. And they will be getting a guy that is worth about that much. I think they will be disenchanted with him the more they see him. If you look at the 4 years before last years partial season, you see a guy that is a .330 OBP guy, who gets caught stealing close to 30% of the time. Their pitching, if healthy, will be good. They seem to be buying into the bs of 2005. Some still say they won with speed and pitching. I say they won with home runs, defense and pitching. I see a team that will score less runs and has not improved their defense.
.360 OBP, close to 200 hits, 50 SBs
I’ll take that out of a left fielder and leadoff man. Especially at the bargain rate of $9 million spread over 2 years.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
200 hits and 50 SBs
In one year or both ? With two seasons and 400 plus ABs each year I imagine Fuld could do that AND throw a runner at the plate .
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Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Dec 15, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
Pierre can't throw
But he can cover ground in left field and serve as a quality lead-off hitter with the one commodity Ozzie Guillen desperately craves — SPEED. This is a good move by the Sox. Heck, they might even be so bold as to DH Pierre.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Sam Fuld can do THAT?!?!
Would this be like Matt Murton hitting .310 and knocking out 25 HRs if only somebody would give him a starting job?!?!
lol.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
When was the last time Pierre came close to those numbers as an everyday player?
Answer: 2004.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
At the end....
of the day, I like this signing for the WS.
They had limited funds coming into the winter. IMHO Pierre is a better baseball player than Scotty Pods. 4 mil per year average seems reasonable. KW did not have to lock up a player to a long term deal which will hurt the team in the future. Sound familiar?
by timeforachange2009 on Dec 15, 2009 5:44 PM CST up reply actions
It's a good investment by the Sox
Nuff said. It also proves that a good GM doesn’t need to annually piss away tens of millions in free agency to acquire needed parts.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Kotsay is envisioned to play some CF, 1st base and DH for the Sox
Kenny WIlliams and Ozzie Guillen rave about the guy. I doubt he is going anywhwere. And I doubt at this stage he is anything more than a part-time player that helps at several positions as the Sox intend to use him.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
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