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The other options are Reed Johnson, Rick Ankiel, and Scott Podsednik. I'd rather have Byrd.

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oh god no

This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.

by jesus christos on Dec 15, 2009 4:35 PM CST reply actions  

Contract

Does anybody know what kind of contract they are trying to get Byrd with? Multi-year? One year?

by TheHawkRules on Dec 15, 2009 4:40 PM CST reply actions  

hopefully a negative year

This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.

by jesus christos on Dec 15, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

lol

Yeah.. he isn’t exciting me any.

by TheHawkRules on Dec 15, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

But it’s Hendry we’re talking about. You know the drill – at least three years, with NTC.

by Jody Jody Davis on Dec 15, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I just wonder if something like that...

…may be best, and wait till next year to sign a free agent for CF. (If there will be any then…) Or maybe, Jim could work a trade during the season too.

I would just rather see Johnson back out there, than Jim going and making another bad multi-year deal… I like Jim Hendry… but, he has been striking out too much lately.

by TheHawkRules on Dec 15, 2009 4:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I was almost with you

But I don’t understand the crazy love for Reed Johnson on BCB. He’s a good guy. But he’s right handed, an average CF AND he gets hurt a lot. I’d almost rather give Jim Edmonds a call.

by elgato on Dec 15, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't have any "crazy love" for Reed...

… but, I don’t want another player with a long term contract, who is overpaid. We can’t do this if we want to win. We have to wait till some of these other long term contracts expire.

by TheHawkRules on Dec 15, 2009 5:03 PM CST up reply actions  

And don't forget...

He’s not that good. But Reed Mantle he will always be.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Dec 15, 2009 6:56 PM CST up reply actions  

What's wrong with an average centerfielder?

And you forgot to mention that he’s very effective at the plate as a platoon partner vs. LHP.

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by daver on Dec 17, 2009 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I think I'd vote for that, too.

For those who worry about Johnson’s back problems, he would play about 40-50 games under this scenario.

Remember, his injury problem last year wasn’t his back, it was a broken foot from a pitch — not likely to be repeated.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 15, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

OK, so Reed would only plan 40-50 games

That means Sam Fuld would play 110-120 games. No thanks.

by elgato on Dec 15, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Is that such a bad way to start a season. If it goes poorly,

a move could be made later.

I much prefer going conservative with Johnson/Fuld than spending money on a risky move like Byrd or Pods.

Maybe Fuld works?

at daver's request, Let's frontload this B**ch!

by N Oakley on Dec 15, 2009 5:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd only be OK with this if ...

a) Byrd wants more than two years
b) Ankiel’s shoulder or contract demands rule him out.
c) The CF money is spent finding someone other than Mike-freaking-Fontenot to play second.
d) If second has been addressed somehow (maybe in a MB trade), that the money go toward the rotation.
e) Reed Johnson isn’t given a multi-year deal to platoon.
f) We don’t sign a $4 million righty setup man.

by elgato on Dec 15, 2009 5:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Fontenot won't play second...

I’m pretty sure muffin man has the job going into ST.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Dec 15, 2009 6:59 PM CST up reply actions  

well ...

if we don’t get another lefty bat in the lineup, I can see Lou being tempted to do a straight platoon, which means Fontenot gets the majority of the playing time.

by elgato on Dec 16, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

That's putting a lot of load on a guy who has a career of 124 PAs

and looks more like a utility/spot starter guy based on his time so far. Plus, who is the backup plan in the OF or for PH under that scenario?

by ClarkFan on Dec 15, 2009 5:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Ughh

Not another overpriced, multiyear contract for a guy on the wrong side of 30. Better to stick with the guys you have… or better yet, trade for an up and coming stud.

by tom veryzer on Dec 15, 2009 4:51 PM CST reply actions  

Name this player...

Played Outfield for Texas Rangers.
Had a career year at the plate.
Is over 30 years old.

Haven’t we heard this tune before? Maybe it is time to change the channel and try something new.

That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.

by Ditkavsworld

by gaclaudy on Dec 15, 2009 5:07 PM CST reply actions  

nah ...

I’m not all that in favor of a Byrd signing. But he’s not Milton Bradley.

by elgato on Dec 15, 2009 5:09 PM CST up reply actions  

He reminds me more of Gary Matthews Jr

Crappy before, big year in Texas, big contract and crappy again for the Angels.

Also, he may have been on the juice….

by TJ11 on Dec 15, 2009 6:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Oooh even better OF.

Can we please, just please stay away from Texas Rangers OF? What is Texas, our Crack Dealer?

That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.

by Ditkavsworld

by gaclaudy on Dec 15, 2009 9:49 PM CST up reply actions  

rec

at daver's request, Let's frontload this B**ch!

by N Oakley on Dec 15, 2009 5:25 PM CST up reply actions  

bull

Byrd is much better than Aaron Miles. I don’t want to pay much for Byrd, but a two-year deal for him depending on the price would be MUCH better than Aaron freaking Miles.

by elgato on Dec 15, 2009 5:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Byrd's not Aaron Miles by any stretch..

Byrd stands at a place very akin to where DeRosa stood. That doesn’t mean he’ll work out like DeRosa did – don’t mistake me. But I’d actually argue that Byrd’s 2007 and 2008 were better than his 2009. Check the OPS+s. If we could get Byrd’s OBP over .350 he’d be helpful. What I’d really like is to get Byrd and a player like Jordan Schafer or Felix Pie – keeping Byrd in the 450 PA role he was so good at in TX, resting both Sori and Dome a lot, as well as protecting the young CF.

"We’re going to come back here next year healthy and do what we’re supposed to do, and we’re going to be all right. That’s not Hendry’s fault. He thought it was the right move. It didn’t work out. But at the same time, he’s the same guy that put back-to-back championship teams together." - Aramis Ramirez

by DGU on Dec 15, 2009 6:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Byrd's UZR/150 numbers in CF...

sure are weird. He’s like Jekyl and Hyde. Unless there were some injuries that I’m not remembering…

by CubsWin!Oregon on Dec 15, 2009 6:38 PM CST up reply actions  

That's the thing that really concerns me about Byrd -

he is awfully inconsistent year-by-year. Now the UZR #s could be inconsistent because of UZR and not because of Byrd.

"We’re going to come back here next year healthy and do what we’re supposed to do, and we’re going to be all right. That’s not Hendry’s fault. He thought it was the right move. It didn’t work out. But at the same time, he’s the same guy that put back-to-back championship teams together." - Aramis Ramirez

by DGU on Dec 15, 2009 6:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Bear in mind...

…for most of the seasons that we have Byrd’s UZR/150 numbers, he played less than 1,000 innings. So most or all of those sample sizes are pretty dubious. The only season we do have 1,100 innings (2003), he was a very good centerfielder. Uh, of course that was about six years ago.

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by daver on Dec 17, 2009 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I can see it already..

Hendry will pay him some astronomical amount of money and we will expect him to play like someone he’s not. At this point I’m all for standing pat and letting contracts play out! At least we’ll have a reason for under performing!

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Dec 15, 2009 5:24 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

rec

at daver's request, Let's frontload this B**ch!

by N Oakley on Dec 15, 2009 5:25 PM CST up reply actions  

And in December 2010

Byrd and Hoffpauir traded for 2 “ehhh” prospects.

by ak123 on Dec 15, 2009 9:01 PM CST up reply actions  

It seems a plethora of people seem to think Byrd won't do well with the Cubs.

I’m not saying that he will do good, but the Cubs will be a division contender with if they have a healthy team next year. I believe Byrd can be a pretty good player with the Cubs. He can be a good hitter to hit behind Ramirez. Plus, he can play Lf and Rf.

by Cubbiegoon on Dec 15, 2009 5:30 PM CST reply actions  

well ..

if a CF can’t play left or right, then there’s something wrong with him.

by elgato on Dec 15, 2009 5:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Thought with Byrd...

sometimes it seems like he can play LF/RF, but can’t play CF…

by CubsWin!Oregon on Dec 15, 2009 6:39 PM CST up reply actions  

er...

that should be “though.”

by CubsWin!Oregon on Dec 15, 2009 6:43 PM CST up reply actions  

5:19pm: Carrie Muskat says that while Byrd is the Cubs first choice among free agent outfielders, they haven’t ruled out bringing Reed Johnson back. Muskat also notes that Byrd and Bradley have the same agent.

head meet desk

This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.

by jesus christos on Dec 15, 2009 5:36 PM CST reply actions  

Have any of her other reported rumors happened?

Until anything actually does, I refuse to worry about it. I’m getting sick of this.

"Fasten those seatbelts"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Dec 16, 2009 8:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Hello World Series!

We all know the key to winning is singing Rangers OFers coming off career years

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Dec 15, 2009 5:48 PM CST reply actions  

no, dont worry about it

we can fully trust Jim Hendry’s judgment. No need to criticize his free agent signings..

Wrigley Bound in the Summer of 2010

by Chanman25 on Dec 15, 2009 5:50 PM CST up reply actions  

MAYBE WE CAN GET HAMILTON BACK

/sarcasm

This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.

by jesus christos on Dec 15, 2009 5:52 PM CST up reply actions  

You mean like

Mark DeRosa?

"We’re going to come back here next year healthy and do what we’re supposed to do, and we’re going to be all right. That’s not Hendry’s fault. He thought it was the right move. It didn’t work out. But at the same time, he’s the same guy that put back-to-back championship teams together." - Aramis Ramirez

by DGU on Dec 15, 2009 6:27 PM CST up reply actions  

he wasnt principally an OFer though

nice try

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Dec 15, 2009 8:42 PM CST up reply actions  

DeRosa played more games in the OF

than at any other position for the Rangers the year before we signed him.

"We’re going to come back here next year healthy and do what we’re supposed to do, and we’re going to be all right. That’s not Hendry’s fault. He thought it was the right move. It didn’t work out. But at the same time, he’s the same guy that put back-to-back championship teams together." - Aramis Ramirez

by DGU on Dec 15, 2009 10:03 PM CST up reply actions  

So we're 1 for 2

I don’t think its unreasonable to expect a Rangers player’s offense to decline if he came to the Cubs.

by madcow256 on Dec 16, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions  

It's not at all unreasonable to expect

a guy in his 30s to perform worse the year after a contract year in Arlington, coached by Rudy J. It is totally illogical to say, Milton Bradley was with the Rangers and therefore we should never sign another former Ranger OF again.

"We’re going to come back here next year healthy and do what we’re supposed to do, and we’re going to be all right. That’s not Hendry’s fault. He thought it was the right move. It didn’t work out. But at the same time, he’s the same guy that put back-to-back championship teams together." - Aramis Ramirez

by DGU on Dec 16, 2009 11:19 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Agree on both counts

I’m not 100% opposed to Marlon Byrd being a cub in 2010. I am, however, afraid Jimmy Hendry will pay him as if he had those offensive numbers hitting in Petco, and that he will be continuing to pay him that amount still in 2012.

by madcow256 on Dec 16, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm more worried about a third year

than dollar amounts and I’d just as soon have someone on a one year deal.

"We’re going to come back here next year healthy and do what we’re supposed to do, and we’re going to be all right. That’s not Hendry’s fault. He thought it was the right move. It didn’t work out. But at the same time, he’s the same guy that put back-to-back championship teams together." - Aramis Ramirez

by DGU on Dec 16, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

DeRosa wasn't the key to that offseason...

We also added Soriano and Lilly, who had pretty good years in our playoff runs. DeRosa turned out to be a very good signing.

by SouthernCub on Dec 16, 2009 7:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Jesus Christ...

No team with a payroll of this size should be resorting to such options as Marlon Byrd. What a disaster Hendry has created. Ugh.

by kanderber on Dec 15, 2009 5:53 PM CST reply actions  

+ infinity.

"Bite my shiny metal ass!" -- Bender Bending Rodriguez

"Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead."

by The Jade Scorpion on Dec 15, 2009 6:19 PM CST up reply actions  

My opinion

1. Fuld is a minor leaguer. Or a fifth OF at best. If he gets 400 AB;s we in trouble…

2. Should just keep Bradley. and have him reconcile.

3. I think Byrd might be all right on a 2 year deal

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

by fischisgod on Dec 15, 2009 6:19 PM CST reply actions  

I agree

Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."

by DC Cubbie on Dec 15, 2009 10:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd rather stay put than get Byrd.

Why add another bad contract?

I know Jim Hendry is already printing the Byrd jerseys, but I really wish someone else would swoop in and sign Byrd. Since he’s such a “hot commodity” I’m sure Jim will find himself in a bidding war for Byrd that he can’t win because of salary constraints, right?

Oh, brother. He’ll never learn; he just won’t.

If Byrd is the best option, then just trade Bradley and stay put in the OF. Let some bad contracts expire, rather than add another one, and make a splash as payroll opens up. Why preemptively ruin a future offseason of fiscal flexibility to sign a CF who is really no better than a platoon we could piece together right now?

DON"T DO IT, JIM HENDRY. RESIST THE “HENDRY GUY” URGE FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE!!!!!!!! BYRD IS NOT THAT GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Bite my shiny metal ass!" -- Bender Bending Rodriguez

"Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead."

by The Jade Scorpion on Dec 15, 2009 6:19 PM CST reply actions  

$145 million payroll ought to do a lot better than Byrd or Johnson

This thing is a clusterfu*k.

Meanwhile Tom Ricketts needs a year to “evaluate”? And everybody is okay with that apparently.

The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.

by BLou on Dec 15, 2009 6:30 PM CST reply actions  

Meanwhile Tom Ricketts needs a year to "evaluate"? And everybody is okay with that apparently.

thats usually what new owners do, yes

This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.

by jesus christos on Dec 15, 2009 6:44 PM CST up reply actions  

A championship caliber team...

Doesn’t go into a season with an OF of Soriano, Fuld/Johnson, and Fukudome.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Dec 15, 2009 7:02 PM CST up reply actions  

LF Taguchi CF Edmonds RF Encarnacion

Was the starting OF for the 2006 World Series Champion Cardinals. They also had scrap (Eckstein) and more scrap (Miles) up the middle in the IF.

I don’t disagree with the idea of improving our OF, just the premise that the Cubs roster, as is, can’t at worst compete for a division title, if not more.

by fsuapollo on Dec 16, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Good point...

All we need is Pujols then, and our OF could stay as is.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Dec 16, 2009 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Please find where I said our team couldn't use some help.

You said nothing about overall line-up strength. You pulled out one segment – OF – and concluded the Cubs’ 2010 season could not be championship caliber.

I simply pointed out the failed logic of that statement.

by fsuapollo on Dec 16, 2009 5:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I know...

I was being sarcastic/kidding.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Dec 17, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

If only he'd hire you, then you could finally unburden yourself and share with him all those good ideas you have in your head for fixing the Cubs....

…‘cause you sure haven’t have been sharing any of them with us.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Dec 15, 2009 7:43 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

BLou has given his ideas...

they consist of trading anyone and everyone away for prospects and starting over, neglecting the fact that no big market clubs actually do this.

by SouthernCub on Dec 16, 2009 7:51 AM CST up reply actions  

well, I did say "good" ideas...

but you’re right – I see farther down where he did suggest the fire sale approach. Setting aside the NTCs and the minimal return we’d likely get given the dollars involved, I’d love to see part two of his idea. You know, the press release used to announce this to the media and fans.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Dec 16, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Our fate for 2010 is about 90% sealed

with the high payroll commitments and many NTCs. Why not let Hendry try against all odds to save his job, and if he doesn’t, let a new GM start fresh and not have to deal with the bad karma that is likely to be associated with the 2010 season (having to give away MB, etc)?

by madcow256 on Dec 16, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Here's what would be more constructive.

I’d be interested to hear what people think would be a bad contract for Byrd and what would be good. If we got him for the same deal as Cameron, would that be good or bad?

Obviously 4/40 would be bad and 1/4 would be good. But more realistically – what’s the most you’d be willing to pay for Marlon Byrd’s services?

"We’re going to come back here next year healthy and do what we’re supposed to do, and we’re going to be all right. That’s not Hendry’s fault. He thought it was the right move. It didn’t work out. But at the same time, he’s the same guy that put back-to-back championship teams together." - Aramis Ramirez

by DGU on Dec 15, 2009 6:31 PM CST reply actions  

I'd say

anything over 2 years or over 6 mil per is a bad contract.

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Dec 15, 2009 6:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I 'd be fine with 2 years at around $5 mil per year

Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."

by DC Cubbie on Dec 15, 2009 10:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd agree with tomas and DC - 2 years, maybe 2 years and a club option.

I was hoping Cameron would be the two-year bridge to Brett Jackson, but if it has to be Byrd – well, so be it. And, just to be clear, I’m in no way guaranteeing that Jackson will be a star or even a starTER. But I’d like to have a plan going forward and, unless anyone can give me a good reason to think otherwise, that’s the one I’m going with.

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by daver on Dec 17, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Genius Jim has a streak to maintain

Every offseason it is hot pursuit of a free agent outfielder who ends up an unmitigated disaster.

Jock Strap Jones – disaster
Alfonso Soriano – disaster
Kosuke Fukudome – $48 million for So Taguchi’s twin offensively
Milton Bradley – disaster

And now Genius Jim is pursuing Marlon Byrd. Who utterly sucks.

The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.

by BLou on Dec 15, 2009 6:33 PM CST reply actions  

Soriano is not a disaster, he just hasn't lived up to his contract hype

If he signed a Derrek Lee-esque deal, no one would be bickering over his performance. You could argue we wouldn’t have made the playoffs in 07 if it weren’t for him

Wrigley Bound in the Summer of 2010

by Chanman25 on Dec 15, 2009 6:43 PM CST up reply actions  

And who would you pursue for CF?

Are you still in favor of Gary Matthews Jr?

"We’re going to come back here next year healthy and do what we’re supposed to do, and we’re going to be all right. That’s not Hendry’s fault. He thought it was the right move. It didn’t work out. But at the same time, he’s the same guy that put back-to-back championship teams together." - Aramis Ramirez

by DGU on Dec 15, 2009 6:56 PM CST up reply actions  

What I am in favor of

Do what a smart baseball man would do in the face of reality….go into sell mode.

I put Derrek Lee, Aramis Ramirez and Carlos Zambrano on the block. Their individual value will never be higher than it is right now. Take a step back, let some of this horrendous contracts unwind, pray like hell people like Starlin Castro and Andrew Cashner are legit, intermix the blue-chip prospect acquired and be PATIENT.

My goodness people, if anybody thinks this current core can compete for World Series glory then psychological help is needed. Look at this thing objectively like a Pat Gillick or John Schuerholz or a Brian Cashman or Theo Epstein would. Or a Billy Beane.

Take a step back to get this thing transformed in the right way.

The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.

by BLou on Dec 15, 2009 7:11 PM CST up reply actions  

why are you a Cubs fan?

Wrigley Bound in the Summer of 2010

by Chanman25 on Dec 15, 2009 7:16 PM CST up reply actions  

No one here has been able to figure that out yet.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 15, 2009 7:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Seriously, I doubt that there is a single player on this team he hasn't criticized or suggested that he be traded

Not to mention he hates the owner, manager, and I believe I once even read the ballpark (though I may be wrong). It’s ridiculous!!

Wrigley Bound in the Summer of 2010

by Chanman25 on Dec 15, 2009 7:59 PM CST up reply actions  

he hasnt criticized harden or suggested to trade him

quite odd, really. he hates pitchers that are actually efficient, inning eaters, and not liable to strain their shoulder by picking up a piece of paper, but loves harden

This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.

by jesus christos on Dec 15, 2009 8:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I just wrote this comment, not knowing if he has ever criticized the ballpark

only to see him doing so in the “Lee for Prospects” thread minutes later…

Wrigley Bound in the Summer of 2010

by Chanman25 on Dec 15, 2009 8:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I cannot fathom
BLou’s baseball acumen
I must now pound sand

by yajohn on Dec 16, 2009 9:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Have you looked at the corner infield market

this off-season? Putting Lee and Rami on the block now is doubtful to bring in more than if you shop them at the deadline. It’s also more realistic that they’d waive their NTCs to a wider group if they were moving from a non-contending club to a contending club. So, shopping them now isn’t just a bad idea because this team could compete this year, it’s a bad way to actually get the most for what you’re selling. Z, also, needs to establish his health after last season – unless the Cubs own medical reports suggest that his health is only going to get worse. But otherwise, I think you wait a year for him to re-establish his health and get into a better economy where his contract doesn’t look so onerous.

Still today, you aren’t arguing anything except that you hate Hendry. If you were really looking at things objectively, you’d have thought a bit about the market. I look forward to the day you give up the vendetta and get back to enjoyable Cub discussion.

"We’re going to come back here next year healthy and do what we’re supposed to do, and we’re going to be all right. That’s not Hendry’s fault. He thought it was the right move. It didn’t work out. But at the same time, he’s the same guy that put back-to-back championship teams together." - Aramis Ramirez

by DGU on Dec 15, 2009 7:26 PM CST up reply actions  

BLou you lost me on this one

Rami and Lee have to stay. And as much as “Z” can be a pain in the ass, he stays.
 The Cubs have a reached a point that they will not tear down. They will always compete with the revenue they generate. Now we can argue that they are World championship caliber.
 To constantly complain about Soriano, Z, Dome, Bradley, and Dempsters contracts is getting old, Hell I hated the Bradley signing and bitch about it weekly. The sooner he is gone the better ( I hope). However this is the team at this point.
 I don’t want Byrd I want Tori Hunter, I don’t want Milton I want Markakis, I don’t want Theriot, I want Hanley Ramirez and I don’t want Sean Marshall I want King Felix. Hell I am frustrated as the next guy, I want something done. However there is really nothing we can do. Just hope Hendry pulls a couple good moves.
 This is what it is. Hendry has made some jacked up signings. He is here. The Cubs aren’t going to blow it up and start over again. The Cubs are not the Pirates, those days are over. I guess for your sake lets hope the Blackhawks are playing in June so the donut Jim comments will not start until after the Cup.

by Grockcubs on Dec 15, 2009 8:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Correct me if I'm wrong.....

but I think D-Lee, Aramis, and Zambrano all have no-trade clauses. Z does for sure, pretty sure Aramis does, maybe not D-Lee. I’m too tired to look it up, and I’m going to bed anyway, but I’m pretty sure your strategy doesn’t hold water.

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Dec 16, 2009 2:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes, all three have no-trade clauses

Ramirez and Lee have NTC by virtue of being 10-and-5 players (it’s also in their contracts, but that’s irrelevant). Zambrano has one because “ace” pitchers typically get those in free agent deals or extensions.

That being said, I have to point out that NTC doesn’t mean a player can’t be traded. He just can’t be traded without his permission.

by SouthernCub on Dec 16, 2009 7:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Which is why trading these guys

at the deadline if you’re not contending is a lot easier than trading them now.

Right now the market may not match the player’s desired locations, but at the deadline, it’s a lot more likely that a player will be glad to move from a losing team to a winning team.

"We’re going to come back here next year healthy and do what we’re supposed to do, and we’re going to be all right. That’s not Hendry’s fault. He thought it was the right move. It didn’t work out. But at the same time, he’s the same guy that put back-to-back championship teams together." - Aramis Ramirez

by DGU on Dec 16, 2009 9:05 AM CST up reply actions  

right ...

Also, teams in the hunt might be more willing to take a risk on an iffy Zambrano or the like in July than they are in December.

by elgato on Dec 16, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Not that you give a crap...

…but I find this whole Fukudome-Taguchi riff you’ve got going on very offensive. Not to mention inaccurate.

Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.

by daver on Dec 17, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

One year. No more

I am scared of Byrd’s numbers in Texas. I don’t like to lump people together, but Byrd and Bradley both basically had career years in a hitter friendly ballpark.
I would not be afraid of a Fuld/Johnson platoon to start the year. Doesn’t mean you stick with it, or maybe someone else becomes available in March. I just am not interested in $6 million or more for an average player, especially if it involves more than one year.

by Nibbles on Dec 15, 2009 8:56 PM CST reply actions  

Technically, Byrd has had three good years in a row in Texas...

His 2007 and 2008 were very good, and last year he was good. Granted, those are his only good years since 2003. But it’s hard not to notice the coincidence. It’s also hard not to notice the 130+ point difference in OPS in his home/away splits. That’s definitely cause for concern.

by SouthernCub on Dec 16, 2009 7:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Here's one interesting thing about Marlon Byrd.

He has been trending towards bigger reverse offensive splits – meaning that he is the rare righty to hit RHP better than LHP. That would allow the Cubs to platoon Byrd and Fuld in a totally unorthodox LHB v. LHP and RHB v. RHP, which would just be cool.

It was Bruce Miles’ most recent blog that alerted me to this and that piece of knowledge pushes me over the edge to preferrring Byrd to Cameron – although I’m not for Byrd unconditionally. The contract will determine for me whether he’s worth it or not.

"We’re going to come back here next year healthy and do what we’re supposed to do, and we’re going to be all right. That’s not Hendry’s fault. He thought it was the right move. It didn’t work out. But at the same time, he’s the same guy that put back-to-back championship teams together." - Aramis Ramirez

by DGU on Dec 16, 2009 10:09 AM CST reply actions  

hmmm ...

I was an advocate of getting Granderson, then Cameron, then Byrd. But the Cubs might be playing their cards right by waiting for the market to dwindle on CFs.

If we get Byrd for less than Boston paid for Cameron, I could live with it. Also, for all those embracing a youth movement in the next year or two, Byrd is a better option than Granderson, who would have cost us some of our best prospects.

As I’ve said in other threads, there are reasons for worry thus far into the offseason. But if Bradley is traded and we get Byrd at a reasonable price (two years, $14 million?) in the next several weeks, I would feel better.

by elgato on Dec 16, 2009 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Two years, $14m...

… too much.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 18, 2009 8:34 AM CST up reply actions  

That would be very cool.

Just watching everyone freak out about why Fuld is batting against lefties and Byrd against righties would be hilarious alone. Of course, it’s hard to imagine Lou being this visionary.

Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.

by daver on Dec 17, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm taking a wait and see approach if we sign Byrd.

If we sign him, I’ll give him a chance, which is all we can do as fans. As Jim Hendry likes to remind everyone, the fans were totally against him signing DeRosa based on his one good year in Texas. However, the fans turned out to be 100% correct concerning his signings of people like Jacque Jones, Aaron Miles, and of course, Bradley. I wonder if maybe Rudy Jamarillo knows something about him that sold the Cubs on him, although if that’s the case, why didn’t the Cubs go after him right away? Like a lot of people, Granderson is the guy I wanted, but the way this new regime appears to be doing business (men’s room renovations are more important to allocate money toward than a quality free agent) I never had my hopes up.

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Dec 16, 2009 12:38 PM CST reply actions  

Jacque Jones

Jones was not that bad a signing — not close to Aaron Miles territory. He was good in 2006 (albeit for a terrible team) and he had a very good half in 2007 while filling a huge need in center for the Cubs.

by elgato on Dec 16, 2009 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

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