Cubs still not close to dealing Bradley.
I wish this guy will just go away.
about 2 years ago
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Beat by 10 minutes
but only cause my sister called. Oh well nothing really new but not a happy Hanukkah for Al.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Dec 17, 2009 10:45 PM CST reply actions
This is the story of the Cubs for the last 3 years
Our biggest stories go no where and shockingly this is once again about a big trade.
I wonder if Theriot is going to move his locker this Spring :)
Honestly
I’m a bit surprised that the Cubs are still trying to not pay a majority of the contract. Sure, it’s probably posturing, but at this point , it would seem pretty clear that they’ll have to pay the majority of the deal (if they wish to move MB), and it’s just a matter of what the number is.
I simply want this story to go away so that the offseason can move forward. Maybe things will work out, maybe the Cubs will surprise and get someone to pay the majority. I’m not against MB coming back, although I prefer him gone to upgrade OF defense.
I'm with you....
When you see the types of money that other teams are eating to make their problems go away this offseason, it’s almost shocking that the Cubs still think that they won’t have to for a guy who slumped offensively last season, but has such well-documented baggage, to boot.
by Damen Jackson on Dec 18, 2009 1:21 AM CST up reply actions
Mike Lowell
Is the prime example. The Sox are apparently going to eat 9 of the 12M owed, and this is for a much better baseball citizen than Bradley.
I’m wondering if Ricketts is tying Hendry’s hands on that amount…
Scott Bora$ is satan.
by Canadian Cubs Fan on Dec 18, 2009 6:45 AM CST up reply actions
I'm fairly certain of it...
And it sad really, as it’s making them look cheap and naive in the process. Not to beat a dead horse, but these guys would have done well to make Bradley a forgotten memory by now. Sit down over the organizational meetings, pick through the best offers, trade him, and move on. Instead, we get Amateur Night.
I can’t wait until the Cubs Convention. It’s gonna get UGLY.
by Damen Jackson on Dec 18, 2009 7:22 AM CST up reply actions
They'll have to do it before the convention.
At some point, Ricketts is just going to have to bite the bullet and eat the money in order to get him traded.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
This is the thought I'm going on...
The Cubs know Bradley has to go, they know they have to eat the money (the amount is debatable), and so they are going to sit on him as long as they can hoping for the best offer to come in, and try to ship him to a small AL market team. Next thing you know, in the middle of Jan they will trade him. It will happen during something else (like the playoffs for Football) so that it gets buried with in a day or two.
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
Tampa Bay still fits all the requirements.
It’s just a matter of how much the Cubs will eat.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
sure but
you’re talking about a guy who is an older player, has chronic injuries and who the Red Sox really no longer have a position for because they have more reliable and better producing personnel available.
Perhaps after Holliday and Bay are signed, there will be a more clear market for MB, who could be a consolation prize for teams that were in on the bidding for the big boys but came up short. I’ve still got an eye toward San Francisco as a potential trading partner and I really don’t think that Bay or Holliday will end up there.
Hendry created this mess by signing MB in the first place and exacerbated it by creating an environment where all 29 other teams know the Cubs need to get rid of him. If they are hell bent on not fronting a lot of MBs salary, then they need to start working on a plan on how to actually deal with the situation of MB returning. As long as the other teams know it’s not a workable situation for the Cubs, then why would they budge from their demands?
San Francisco
is supposedly a little limited in their ability to spend this offseason. Add in that the Cubs leverage is minimal, and I think the end result would still be the Cubs eating a chunk of the money.
On a random aside, I’m almost at the point where, if the Mariners agreed to balance out the costs, I’d take Carlos Silva (due more than MB over the next two years) and make him the most expensive long man/12th man on the staff in the league. Obviously, it’s not preferable, and I’d ideally like the Mariners to pick up a tad more … but if the Cubs won’t eat money in say, a Burrell trade, then maybe they would view this as not eating money.
Bleh … options aren’t pretty but I think most people knew that entering the offseason. I think the Ken Rosenthal report about a lot of interest gave some people false hope early on, but the idea that the Cubs would have to eat a healthy chunk of the money seemed to be all but a certainty at the start of the offseason.
Well, here's where we're....
going to have to disagree, as I believe Rosenthal was correct. I think the problem was that most teams understood that the Cubs needed to eat some cash on this, and flocked in looking for a bargain. I’ve said all along that at 2/12, or 2/14 (assuming that the Cubs ate the difference on the remainder of his deal) even I’d take Bradley. But once Hendry started telling teams that he couldn’t/wouldn’t eat that much, the interest dried up.
Everybody in the room knows that the Cubs are going to have to absorb $7 – 10 million to make this problem go away, one way or another. It’s basically the amount of that ridiculous third year that Jim Hendry should have never agreed to in the first place. As soon as some adult intervenes on Hendry’s behalf – that mean you, Crane Kenney – and gets the Ricketts to deal with this growing PR mess, the better off everyone will be.
by Damen Jackson on Dec 18, 2009 8:34 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
well
We’ll never truly know, but outside of the rays, rangers, and mariners, there really haven’t been a lot of other teams legitimately linked to MB this offseason. The Mets were linked 2ndhanded. I wanted to buy the idea of the Mets, but it never really made sense, as they were looking for power. Everyone tried bringing the Braves into it … but there was never any indication of big time interest there. There was a lot of heavy rumors/spec that the Rosenthal report was an effort by the Cubs to drum up interest. Do I think most teams did due diligence? Probably. Everything I’ve heard of late suggests that the market has always been fairly limited, despite the Cubs best efforts. Maybe, as DGU keeps suggesting, as the offseason moves forward and guys fall off the board (I think Bay will sign before the new year, or right after it), more interest will develop.
That said, I do agree on the fact that whatever teams were interested, whatever that number is, went into it believing that the Cubs would likely eat a majority of the contract.
And...
…the Dodgers are eating over half of Pierre’s money as well.
The presedent has been set with these deals, and it all points to the Cubs needing to eat just about the whole nut in 2011 for Tampa to take him on.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
what does it matter though
why not wait?
If we’re going to have to eat the whole deal either way, you can always just wait and then release him and eat the contract. Sure you don’t get a piece back for next year, but none of the pieces mentioned are going to help that much anyway. So you might as well wait till all the chips fall in FA and see what happens. Maybe someone gets desperate and will eat 3-6 million of it
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 18, 2009 8:47 AM CST up reply actions
Much as the Cubs claim otherwise
Right now, it does seem like MB is holding back the offseason a bit. If that’s not the case, then waiting is fine, other than it becoming a tiresome story.
I believe the Cubs
when they say that they won’t eat the entire contract. I really do. So the real risk for me is that the options become more limited as the offseason moves along, forcing them to make the choice of eating even more cash than they’d have to now to do a deal, or bringing him back.
by Damen Jackson on Dec 18, 2009 8:50 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
We know bringing him back isn't an option though
My vote still goes for Pat Burrell
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
Mine, too.
In a perfect world, I wouldn’t want Burrell. But he appears to be the best of several mediocre to bad options.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
how do you know
we wouldn’t have to eat the whole contract right now?
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 18, 2009 9:10 AM CST up reply actions
Well, I don't for certain..
However, I hadn’t heard anything to suggest that it’s a prerequisite to a deal.
by Damen Jackson on Dec 18, 2009 9:19 AM CST up reply actions
Because we can't get anything else done until he's gone
You can’t go out and make a splash via trade or free agency if Bradley is still on your team because you don’t know how much you have to spend. This deal needs to get done NOW so the decent free agents aren’t gone. We’ve already missed out on Cameron. We’ll see how bad it gets. We might be stuck with a Coco Crisp. Brace yourself
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
what "splashes" are their to be made
if we have to eat the whole contract and get burrell back or eat the whole contract and get nothing back, the money aspect of things isn’t holding anything up. We’ll still have no financial flexibility to make moves
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 18, 2009 9:10 AM CST up reply actions
No one.
He did have interest from Washington and Tampa Bay. But neither of those teams was offering three years.
If that third year wasn’t there, I think he would have been traded already.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
the extra years
For guys like Bradley could end up costing Hendry his job after next season.
Unless he can clean up the mess, you're right.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Ricketts is basically
showing us that Hendry will be gone at the end of the year. He will not allow him to pay too much of his contract and will not adjust the payroll to get rid of him. He has basically said to him you made this mess, so now you get yourself out of it.
When every team knows that you can’t have him on your roster the league is waitng for you to release him or give him away. This is one mess he will not be able to get out of.
My thoughts as well...
…and I think there is a lot of truth in what you stated.
It’s almost as if Ricketts is trying to teach Hendry a lesson, because this whole issue is really quite embarassing for Hendry.
You sign a high risk guy to a deal no one else was close to offering, he doesn’t produce for you, then you suspend him because of his behavior and now you are stuck with the guy because you have zero negotiating power.
Not exactly the way you drew it up!
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
There's no doubt a lesson must be learned here by Hendry.
But at what cost to the rest of the franchise?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
good question...
…and it’s looking like Ricketts is taking a hardball approach so far in his short tenure; ticket price increase, ST negotiations, and not approving a Bradley deal.
What’s next?
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Move Bradley to CF
he used to be able to do it, maybe he still can. besides, the bushes in CF can’t taunt him with racial slurs, can they?
There's probably little chance of that
It’s a nice idea, and I wish he could, but injuries have sapped his overall range. If MB came back, Kosuke would likely still be in CF.
No but what happened to Shane Victorino
WILL happen again if you send him out there again
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
And this surprises who...?
So much for all the BCB’ers who thought the market was hot for MB.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
I didn't think it would be "hot".
But I did think they’d find a taker. Actually, they probably have one (Tampa). It’s just a matter of eating more of the contract.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Cubs are holding out and so are the Rays
But the fact of the matter is the Rays DON’T need Milton and we DO need him gone. Holding out is only hurting us and the Rays and presumably everyone else knows it
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
Sorry everyone. I don't know what I did,
but I must have been very naughty this year. This trade is all I’ve been asking Santa for and it doesn’t look like it’s going to happen in time for Christmas. Hoping for a miracle.
"Fasten those seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
I found this to be good news
At least there is “some” market for Bradley and it seems like it’s going to take someone to blink for something to happen, but I do believe someone will blink.
I can’t see a move to get rid of Bradley not being made by the convention.
by jerry morales rules on Dec 18, 2009 9:29 AM CST reply actions
What is the most you would eat of the MB contract...
….before you say screw it, let’s bring him back?
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
Heyman
is saying the Mariners are back in the picture.
Silva…ugh
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/12/18/bradley.mariners/index.html
At least that way the Cubs would get a player back...
… that they might be able to use. Maybe Silva can be a reclamation project. In some ways that’d be better than just flushing $12 million down the proverbial toilet.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
depends
if they’d commit to keeping him on the roster no matter the production, then i’d prefer the open roster spot for the next 2 years
if you have a willingness to release silva in the same way you’d “potentially” release Bradley (assuming this is the alternative), then i’d say yeah its worth a shot
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 18, 2009 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
Here's how I see it.
You take Silva for 2010 and try to get him back to where he was even in 2007 (that year he was a decent inning-eater). If you can do that, maybe you can trade him, or even use him in 2011.
If not, then you can eat the 2011 contract, knowing you at least gave it a shot.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
over the next 2 seasons
Bradley clearly is the better bet to be a useful major league player and even has a chance to live up to the value of his contract. Silva is at best an innings eating 4th starter that you have to pay $11.5 million a year. Trading Bradley for Silva likely makes the Cubs worse and sheds no money from the payroll.
by circuitclout on Dec 18, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
that's a willingness
they’d have to show with silva that they’re apparently not willing to show with Bradley
this is my concern
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 18, 2009 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
Breaking News
on “The Monsters In the Morning”… Milton Bradley will be traded to the Seattle Mariners
this was obviously a shitty source
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