Cubs trade Bradley !!!!!!!!
by Cubbinstrongsince86 on Dec 18, 2009 11:46 AM CST
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The Marniers have agreed to trade Carlos Silva for Milton Bradley. Merry Christmas Cubs fan we all got our wish! Not too sure about Carlos Silva though. Hopefully that ERA comes down a bit from the AL. Now we can finally go out and get our center fielder, persumably Marlon Byrd. Possibly Matt Capps perhaps as well ? We'll see what happens now that Hendry has rid us of Bradley.
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Comes down a bit?
2008: ERA 6.46 WHIP 1.59
2009 ERA: 8.60 WHIP 1.71
oh,
and he makes 24 Million over the next two years.
for what?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 18, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
Who cares...
Milton is gone. That’s the important thing. Now maybe we can start improving this team.
by bergs55 on Dec 18, 2009 11:49 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
the "worse" will be determined by the money
But we certainly didn’t improve on anything. No Hundley for Grudz and Karros today.
yes....I'd almost rather have Bradley than Silva
Seriously…6.00 ERA?
Wrigley Bound in the Summer of 2010
6.18
and is he going to be a starter? So much for having the best rotation in the NL Central.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 18, 2009 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
well
according to DGU’s quickie analysis from yesterday, we do. Did.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 18, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
nah, man
the cubs are still the best rotation in the central, just like last year
oh wait
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 20, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
I’m just saying that his last 2 years statistically are kind of skewed because he has been injured.
But I hate this trade. We are gonna pay 11.5 for a below average starter that gets injured.
Harden
cost less than that, right?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 18, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
Rec'd
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Dec 18, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
This trade is better than releasing Bradley!
Sure, we got an over-priced-shit pitcher in return — but if Silva doesn’t rebound, we can release him, and still have $5 or $6 million we wouldn’t have had if we just dumped Bradley.
"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie"
annnnd
the team just got measurably worse.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 18, 2009 11:50 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
#1
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 18, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
ugh
just look at the number of home runs he gives up….ugly. This could be a rough stretch for him at Wrigley Field.
I think we may have just got ourselves a Jeff Suppan.
hendry is making harder for me to say that ricketts should give him time
bad bad bad
Say no to Marlon Byrd, Scotty Pods, and Rick Ankiel.
by jesus christos on Dec 18, 2009 11:52 AM CST reply actions
Any move that rids of us Bradley...
Improves the team.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Dec 18, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
yeah
a starting pitcher with a 6.18 era and history of injury DEFINITELY makes the team better.
Not.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 18, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
#2
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 18, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
Seriously?
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
While I disagree
with that statement. I will reserve my final judgement of this deal until I see what JH does with the 6M or so he gets from Seattle.
Exactly
This deal is not Bradley for Silva, therefore it cannot be judged until we see what Hendry does next. Moving Bradley and getting $6M opens up another move or two for Hendry. We have to wait and see what comes next.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Dec 19, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
The problem with Silva
is that even when he was healthy, he wasn’t any good. He’s had one good season, which was five years ago.
We probably should have just released Bradley. The best thing Silva could do is be hurt all season.
by Josh Timmers on Dec 18, 2009 11:56 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Silva
I don’t think much of him. The best the Cubs can expect from Silva would for him to be the fifth starter making about 20 starts with somewhere around a 4.75 ERA. I realize that would be quite an improvement for Silva. That’s the absolute most the Cubs can expect.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Fantastic!
Now next year when Bradley posts a solid hitting season and Carlos Silva puts up a 5.00 ERA in Iowa I can point my finger at all the people around here that wanted a peaceful clubhouse over good baseball players
I think a 5 ERA in AAA is being generous
Is there such a thing as a waste of roster space in AAA?
Are you familiar with the old robot saying, "Does not compute"?
by dr stabbingworth on Dec 18, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Miles
was at AAA for a while.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 18, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
This is ridiculous...how does this improve our team?
And if we sign Marlon Byrd, that is the rest of the off season. Yuck, this team is heading in a horrible direction and I think some changes need to be made. Not to team management but to the front office..
Wrigley Bound in the Summer of 2010
Hopefully
His era will come down, than again he will be pitching at Wrigley for 81 games, so who knows?
Someday we'll go all the way.
by Cubbinstrongsince86 on Dec 18, 2009 11:58 AM CST reply actions
We are talking about a mediocre third starting pitcher at best, and besides 2005 which was five years ago
he hasn’t had a great season. What the hell is Hendry thinking
Wrigley Bound in the Summer of 2010
Hendry was thinking
that a lot of Cubs fans were angry.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 18, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
And sure enough, here comes the whining
I know a number of the posters so far have been in the keep-Bradley camp, and that’s fine, but you have no right to complain if you aren’t.
Personally, I don’t care either way.
Of course, you realize Bradley will hit three homers and drive in 10 runs when the Cubs play the Mariners in June. :)
by Not Bruce Froemming on Dec 18, 2009 11:59 AM CST reply actions
A few posters ...
myself included, have said we would have rather kept Bradley than get Silva. If that was a poster’s stated position, I don’t think complaining about this move is hypocrisy.
If you were for keeping Bradley all along,
complain all you wish.
If you wanted Bradley off the team ASAP, keep your “mouth” shut.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Dec 18, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
That's way too black and white
Why can’t I complain if I said trade Bradley, but only if the return isn’t Carlos Silva?
the return
was always going to be a Carlos Silva or a Pat Burrell because the Cubs backed themselves into a corner. You cant develop a market when you do that.
by CalCalender on Dec 18, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
agreed ...
But I would have been OK with Burrell — as I think quite a few posters would have been.
Besides, Silva (if he isn't traded elsewhere) will be
what, a No. 5 starter? Big deal.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Dec 18, 2009 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
its the $
unless Seattle is a eating a ton of cash we have gained zero payroll flexibility by this move AND added a terrible pitcher.
by CalCalender on Dec 18, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Come on, NBF
You’re really downplaying this one? We just acquired a $12 million pitcher — for two years — who had an ERA over 6 last year.
Hey, all I care is that
the evil MB isn’t on the team anymore. That’s what you all wanted, isn’t it?
by Not Bruce Froemming on Dec 18, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
Yep.
Some people say the glass is half empty, some say half full. I say, are you going to drink that?
by BleedsbluinMI on Dec 18, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
me too
if Hendry did indeed settle on Silva AND take on his entire contract you have to wonder why the hell we didnt just take Pat.
by CalCalender on Dec 18, 2009 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
Glad he’s off the team
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
by Musicdude10 on Dec 18, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
If the Mariners are not throwing money into the mix or if Silva doesn’t miraculously have a minor league option left, then Hendry actually made the team worse. On the surface, the Cubs would have been better served with just cutting Bradley.
I hope those of you wanting to trade Bradley at all costs
are happy.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Dec 18, 2009 12:01 PM CST reply actions 9 recs
I am.
Some people say the glass is half empty, some say half full. I say, are you going to drink that?
by BleedsbluinMI on Dec 18, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
before we draw trade-Bradley and keep-Bradley lines too quickly
… a lot of posters were in favor of trading Bradley for the right return (i.e. not for Carlos freaking Silva). There ARE shades of gray here.
But you aren't going to get
the “right” return for him. This wasn’t a “normal” trade, really.
You all get your wish. Congratulations to the most neurotic fans in professional sports.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Dec 18, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
This WAS NOT my wish
How is it “my wish” if I said Bradley for anything other than Silva?
I don't recall a lot of posters
saying “get rid of MB, but only for X, Y or Z.” If you’re one of those, eg, congrats, but you’re one of the few.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Dec 18, 2009 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
im patting myself on the back right now
Say no to Marlon Byrd, Scotty Pods, and Rick Ankiel.
by jesus christos on Dec 18, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't realize
you were that limber. :)
by Not Bruce Froemming on Dec 18, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
you can search my comments
And I know I’ve seen a few others who said the same thing.
OK, fine, eg,
you, personally, aren’t part of that group. Duly noted.
But again, you’re one of the few.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Dec 18, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
I did not want to get rid of him at all
but for a halfway decent deal ( as in literally not eat more than half the salary ) I would have been OK.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Dec 18, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
Please remember...
… the reaction to trading Todd Hundley for Eric Karros and Mark Grudzielanek seven years ago. The overwhelming majority of fans thought that deal sucked.
They were wrong. Maybe Silva will surprise us.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Maybe Bradley would have.
Who do you think will have the better season? And you don’t get points for being a good dude.
I anxiously await the reasonable trading of Milton Bradley.
Dum spiro spero... | Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on Dec 18, 2009 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
But Stone, being a good "clubhouse guy"
is the most important thing in the world.
If you all want good “clubhouse guys” at the expense of good baseball players, go cheer for the Pirates.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Dec 18, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
Wow, and you are calling other fans neurotic!
Some people say the glass is half empty, some say half full. I say, are you going to drink that?
by BleedsbluinMI on Dec 18, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
Bradley could not have had "the better season"...
… even if he had better statistics.
Again, I refer you to the reaction to the Hundley deal seven years ago. People said at the time, “Why did the Cubs get those guys? They suck!”
Carlos Silva has sucked the last two years. That does NOT mean he will suck in 2010.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
ARE YOU SERIOUS MAN!!?!?
Carlos Silva suddenly becoming good at sports is your validation of this trade? Is that the best we should expect from this franchise? Philly added Roy Halladay and they wre already better than us. We added Carlos Silva.
But whats another year to wait right guys?
by CalCalender on Dec 18, 2009 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
You're not looking at the entire picture here.
The Cubs ridded themselves of someone weighing down the franchise. That’s why this deal was made.
Would I have acquired Carlos Silva under any other conditions? Absolutely not. Is that the “best” I expect? Absolutely not.
Don’t put words in my mouth.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Yes he could have and will
Bradley will have a very good season. Silva is a turd. Absolute garbage. The cubs were murdered in this deal. You are not on the team, with the team or associated with them. Why do you care what happens behind the scenes? I don even think Bradley did anything that horrendous.
If multiple cubs players cry racism, I think there is some substance to that.
Come on Lisa, I'm trying to impress people here. You don't win friends with salad. ~ Homer J. Simpson
by TheBeerBaron on Dec 18, 2009 12:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hope Silva Improves
The Cubs have him now, so I hope he does well. As I have posted before, the best the Cubs can expect from Silva is 20 starts from a fifth starter with a 4.75 ERA. Now, if he surpasses my expectations, then that’s wonderful. As of right now, the deal doesn’t look good. I hope it looks better in October with Silva pitching the Cubs to a world championship. I simply don’t see that happening.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
doncha paint my brown eyes blue...
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 18, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
haha
Bradley could not have had “the better season”…
… even if he had better statistics.
this is the main writer for your blog, cub fans. just thought i’d remind you
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 20, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
Bradley will probably...
…put up better numbers, but I’ll also bet he spends a bunch of time on the DL this season.
This trade was not about getting a player that may produce better than Bradley, it was about finding someone that would take Bradley and hopfully save you a few bucks on the 21 mil he had coming.
When Bradley was suspended, it was the equivalent of a death sentence with the Cubs with no chance for appeal, and today was simply putting this to a close.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
They were wrong. Maybe Silva will surprise us.
there are many things that are possible, but i dont see that happening.
Say no to Marlon Byrd, Scotty Pods, and Rick Ankiel.
by jesus christos on Dec 18, 2009 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
well great Al
glad to see you excited about the Cubs getting worse.
by CalCalender on Dec 18, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
See my comments on...
… the Todd Hundley deal from 2002 on the front page. You’d probably have said the Cubs were going to get worse with that deal, too. Didn’t happen that way, did it?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
that's fantastic logic!
trades that looked bad in the past hae turned out okay! that means cub fans shouldn’t be mad at a trade that has an immense probability to be terrible! carlos silva will turn it around!
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 20, 2009 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
i don't
i just understand probability. and based on that and bradley’s historic numbers (including a great .378 OBP in ‘09), this looks like an awful trade. hope it works out for you guys, but there it’s not really reasonable to expect it to. if you’re gonna hold your breath, you’d probably be better off expecting a silver slugger season from miles
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 20, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
The point of the deal was to remove Bradley from the team.
In that, it is already a success.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Plus, I wouldn't call a .378 OBP "great"...
… from a guy who had an OBP over .400 the two previous years.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
it's well above average
if albert pujols only hits 35 HRs next year, is it not great because he hit 47 in ’09?
actually, it’s still great.
if you wanna say “i hate bradley, he can’t even count to three!” that’s fine and perfectly fair. but he’s a good player, due to bounce back and much, MUCH more valuable than carlos silva
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
well, then
why not just release him?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
See my comments on...
… the Todd Hundley deal from 2002 on the front page. You’d probably have said the Cubs were going to get worse with that deal, too. Didn’t happen that way, did it?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
If the clapping...
In the clubhouse after Bradley was suspended is any indication, I’m sure the rest of the team is happy as well.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Dec 18, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
I am!
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
by Musicdude10 on Dec 18, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
Yes...
Why yes I am.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Dec 18, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
Condemning this deal at this point
is foolish, that much should be obvious.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Dec 19, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
Man
My last name is Silva – glad I never got a personalized Cubs jersey.
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
lol
even in my foul mood I gotta admit that is funny.
by CalCalender on Dec 18, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
son of a
Say no to Marlon Byrd, Scotty Pods, and Rick Ankiel.
by jesus christos on Dec 18, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
Pat Burrell just made so much sense
We get a good bat off the bench for cheap! how the hell is that not better than Silva?!?!
Wrigley Bound in the Summer of 2010
While I wasn't in favor of the Burrell deal either....
it sure as hell made a lot more sense than this – even though the Cubs would be eating $$.
Silva makes Burrell look so much better
I am just so frustrated with this team..
Wrigley Bound in the Summer of 2010
Silva would make Vernon Wells contract look better.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Dec 18, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
I was firmly in the keep Bradely camp
But I actually like Silva better than Burrell. Burrell had no position, no glove, I’d be shocked if he hits at all this year.
Admittedly, I haven’t paid any attention to Silva over the past few fears, but if we can trot him out against another team’s 5th starter to eat innings, at least it’s a little more useful than Burrell.
But, we just traded a guy who led the AL in OBP for Carlos Silva because the fans didn’t like his personality. Stupid.
Always loyal to Leon
by 239 Brigade on Dec 18, 2009 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
Silva Not As Bad As Burrell
We are clearly talking about the lesser of two evils. There is the off chance that Silva will actually regain his old pitching form from about 5 years ago. That’s a long shot admittedly, but Burrell simply couldn’t be much more in the National League than a pinch-hitter and spot starter in the field. If the DH was in the NL, then I would have told you that Burrell was a better choice. I’ll hold my nose and take Silva over Burrell.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
I was hoping for Burrell for obvious reasons...
he’s a RH slugger, and thus would keep me more busy on Waveland (mostly batting practice) than Bradley.
But now that I look at Silva’s stats – this could turn out far better for the ballhawks. He gave up 20+ homers for 5 straight years (2004-08) including a league-leading 38 in 2006. 38!!!! Just for reference sakes, Harden led the Cubs last year with 23 (Demp and Lilly right behind at 22).
Hendry, you’re a durn fool but I love ya for it!
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Great.
We ditched a productive guy for a pitcher with a bigger contract and an ERA above 8?
I just took a wistful glance over at the "OMG Hendry Sucks!!!!’ camp, and it looks like they have smores. I think i might head over.
I anxiously await the reasonable trading of Milton Bradley.
Dum spiro spero... | Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
He's just doing the fans' bidding, Stone
Can’t blame him too much.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Dec 18, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
Silva will last a long as Vizcaino
and be less usefull. If the Mariners are not at least sending the 3 million dollars in difference in salary this deal is FAR worse then signing Bradley in the first place.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Dec 18, 2009 12:11 PM CST reply actions
I sense another Big Gulp coming.
Want to bet on that? Silva will last longer than Vizcaino and be more useful.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Vizcaino had an ERA of .000
Good luck with that.
Here is the big Gulp bet Al. If Silva makes more than 10 starts and has an ERA under 5.00 I will get you a Big Gulp and he would still be the worst starter aound. If not you get me one.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Dec 18, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
I can understand why management wanted
to move MB, but why do you all care? Seriously. I have never been in the clubhouse. I don’t care at all what it’s like in there. The fact is that MB is better than anything he would be traded for. Carlos Silva is absolute horse crap and is completely worthless……..AND COSTS MORE MONEY!!!!!
WHAT THE F*CK!!!!
Come on Lisa, I'm trying to impress people here. You don't win friends with salad. ~ Homer J. Simpson
by TheBeerBaron on Dec 18, 2009 12:11 PM CST via mobile reply actions
The deal saved the Cubs $6M
and rid the team of a big problem, and an underachieving problem at that. Whether this deal turns out to be a good one or bad one depends on what the Cubs do to replace Bradley in RF. Do they go get a CF and play Fukudome, or do they get a RF and play Fukudome in CF. As for Silva, I would rather have him and the extra $6M than Burrell.
To the those decrying the loss of Bradley, do you really believe he would be better as a Cub in 2010? Do you really?
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
The savings make this a lot easier to swallow
I can stand this deal now, even though I don’t like it. Hendry just got $6 million in payroll flexibility.
according to the Cubs.com release
it’s $5 mill. Bradley is owed $21mill, Silva $25mill.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 18, 2009 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
I think the Bradley total is actually $22 million.
That’s the number I’ve seen most Chicago writers use.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
LOL
The most predictable reaction EVER. My God, there’s weapons grade stupid on display here. You whined incessantly about having MB on the roster for more than 10 seconds after the season ended and when it actually goes down, you whine some more. I don’t have the stomach to read through the 1500 posts in the other two threads so I’m posting this here. Before you break out the pitchforks and torches, let’s take a gander at some numbers besides the overrated ERA, shall we?
Despite the tools saying it’s been 5 years since he’s been good, he had an above average year in 2007. 3.3 WAR, 4.24 FIP, 2.47 K:BB, 0.9 HR/9IP, .303 BABIP, 70.5 LOB%. All in all, worth about $13.5 million. Now that’s not Cy Young material, but it’s fantastic for a #5 starter. Now let’s look at the last two statistics (BABIP & LOB%) the next two years. BABIP skyrocketed to .347 & .323 and LOB plummeted to 61% & 54%. Both sets of numbers are due for a major regression to the mean. They were career worsts and I can see him rebounding back to 2007 numbers easily. Oh, and his HR:FB ratio spiked last year as well.
So relax. Take a couple of deep breaths and take a frakking chill pill. Silva isn’t nearly as bad as he was last year. He still has a terrific GB/FB ratio and doesn’t walk anybody. I feel his inflated stats are due in large part to bad luck in 08 and 09.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by WayneCampbell08 on Dec 18, 2009 11:03 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
It's nice to read a measured response, as opposed to knee-jerk complaining...
…so many of the objections to the trade seem based on the assumption that Silva is already pencilled in for use in a high-leverage role this coming season. I just don’t see that…Silva has been hurt and ineffective for over two years so it’s unlikely that the Cubs currently see him as anything more than a spare pitcher. What are we really expecting Silva to do? I’d argue that a best case scenario would be something along the lines of 60 or 70 innings in long relief with an ERA between 4 and 5. If Silva performs as badly as he did last season, I doubt we’d see him for more than a handful of innings before being sent to the DL or released. Neither of those outcomes has much effect on the overall performance of the team.
The final appraisal of the Bradley trade should be based on whether or not the Cubs can use the money saved to acquire a player or players that perform as well as Bradley…taking Silva’s contract is only the means by which the Cubs have freed up that money.
"I'd rather play baseball than eat." - Andy Pafko
by LaddieRenfroe on Dec 19, 2009 8:46 AM CST up reply actions
we didnt need a starter though
even with the money the mariners gave us, we still end up paying silva more than what his open market value would be for two years, then have to buy him out for 2012, all the while opening a hole in the outfield that also costs money to fill. we would have been better off releasing bradley and allowing the rotation to be filled out from within. what the hell is wrong with getting reed on the cheap to play center field? marlon byrd? all after we trade away pie for absolutely nothing.
bring back harden.
Fine, but in 2007 Silva benefitted a lot from pitching for the Twins
One of the best defensive teams in baseball. The Cubs aren’t, so it would be reasonable to expect his BABIP to remain high. And since he doesn’t strike guys out, he gets a lot of BIP – he will continue to give up a lot of hits.
He also looked like a batting practice pitcher with Safeco as his home field. Should the Cubs only send him out when the wind is blowing in?
guys
there were not too many teams that wanted bradley. hendry did what he had to do,get rid of bradley. im sure jim did not want silva anymore than we did. if we had traded milton to the cheap ass rays we would be paying his 2011 salary. if we released him we would be paying him for 2 yrs. most scenarios had the cubs trading bradley plus a boatload of money.we actually got money on this one.so remember the mariners made a worse signing than we did. im sure we wont get a miracle out of silva but lets give him a chance.
Hendry got played here
I don’t think Bradley was bad enough to justify this trade. The Cubs getting saving some money in this trade makes it not as bad; the fact that the Mariners were willing to pay to acquire MB, however, leads me to believe that Hendry could’ve gotten a fair return if were willing to eat some salary himself. A salary dump wasn’t completely necessary—seeing as the Cubs already had a very solid roster, and the only real move that needed to be made was at second (Felipe Lopez would’ve been a great pickup). If Hendry was out to dump salary as well, Fukudome would’ve been the better trade candidate. Bradley contract was far less crippling than some others. Now Hendry will need to fill Bradley’s spot in the lineup, and still get a reliable #5 starter if Silva doesn’t pan out. Between this trade and the several albatross contracts on this team, I believe Hendry isn’t a good negotiator.
Then again...
so many people wanted Bradley gone at all costs. Still, I believe Hendry could’ve gotten better from the Mariners. He literally took the worst pitcher on their roster.
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