Question: which CF's are available via trade?
Hello; a few more questions. Thanks for all of your thoughtful answers the last time!
1. I know the Cubs are looking for a free agent CF; they have made that quite obvious. Also, many posters here seem to feel that our current options, i.e., Sam Fuld and Reed Johnson, would be pretty equivalent to what is available on the FA market.
My question is: are there any CF that may be available via trade?
My thought would be a CF on a team that is unlikely to be competitive and that would need to rebuild. My first thought would be David DeJesus of the Royals.
Here's a guy who is not in their long term future, who will become a FA after 2011 and during the next two years this team will have almost no chance of making the postseason. They need SP badly. We have plenty of young pitching that has the potential to develop into at least solid MOR pitchers (Marshall, Gorzelanny, and Wells), and if we keep Silva they won't all get the chance to start.
They also have plenty of bad contracts to try to dump on us to take him.
I realize he's not the best option in CF; neither is Byrd or Podsednik, or for that matter most of what teams are putting out there in CF. I think it would be a reasonably solid option and it would seem that the Royals, who need to rebuild and who are not in our division or league, would be the natural choice. If the Cubs are indeed thinking of contending this year (a big if), I would think they would strongly consider trading at least one top prospect for a player of this nature. He is no star, but he is at least solid, will get on base, and do a better job of solving the CF dilemma for now without paying out an outrageous contract.
2. Are there any teams out there that might have a remote interest in Silva? I know it's a stretch but I am honestly wondering. Obviously, once again, there would have to be a trade of bad contracts.
As for the Royals, they are the only team that might actually consider him.
They need a steady innings eater to protect their younger pitchers, need another starter, and have terrible contracts on two middle relievers they do not need (Juan Cruz and Kyle Farnsworth) or want. I would think there would be potential to dump Silva + pay the difference in return for Farnsworth and Cruz. The difference in what KC would have to pay would have to come out to zero. In other words, KC would lose nothing except Farnsworth and Cruz and obtain Silva instead.
While Farnsworth and Cruz are not great options, we at least have a need for middle relievers, and they might play a role if they could bounce back. We do NOT need another starter like Silva as we have plentiful BOR starter options. KC on the other hand could really use another starter and could hope that Silva turns out to be reasonably solid. It would be sending trash for trash, but at least each team would get something it might potentially need.
We have so far saved $9 mil off of Bradley's $21 mil contract. This leaves Silva for two years, $16 mil. These two relievers are set to make $7.75 mil for 2010 (4.5 for Farnsworth in 2010, 3.25 for Cruz in 2010) with club options for 2011 (0.5 mil buyouts each) which would certainly be decined (for a total of 1 million). So these guys essentially cost $8.75 million. Would Silva + 7.25 million be worth giving up for these two? I would think, if KC would take it, that it would be worth the chance. KC gets the chance that Silva could return to his Minnesota performance days and get a solid SP. The Cubs would get two middle relievers they know at least one of whom might be able to provide something useful. Wouldn't save any money except that we could stop worrying about signing Matt Capps and try to focus on making at least one of these two guys useful.
The big question is whether KC would take it or try to get us to take Jose Gullen in addition. The only good thing about Guillen is that his contract ends after 2010. I would actually consider it if somehow it would land us DeJesus.
Anyhow, I am sure that many of my thoughts make no sense, but would like to hear from all of you as to why.
3. Why was Orlando Hudson not playing last year in September? Was he hurt? I remember at the beginning of last year, people were complaining that we did not get him when we had the chance and had signed Aaron Miles instead. Then, I heard he was benched for Ronnie Belliard. What happened? Was he hurt or did he just start slumping?
I would think he'd be a solid pickup only if he's sitting out of the dance with no one to ask him out at the end of the FA period and is willing to sign for cheap the way he did with LA last year.
4. Has there been any consideration to putting in Blanco at SS and having Theriot play 2nd or be traded? Theriot acutally has trade value, and our middle infield defense was poor; SS is more of a defensive position. I honestly also thought Blanco's spproach to the plate was similar to Theriot's and that in a year or so he would essentially turn into a Theriot-like player. I don't think we'd lose much in terms of production and could get a useful player in return to trade for the CF we need or for prospects for future trades.
Thanks again for your answers!
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Error in title
I meant to ask, “Which CF’s are available via trade?”
If someone knows how to fix this for me, please do so the title is not misleading. Thanks
Cubs are asking about...
Nyjer Morgan of the Nats. Link I can;t see the Nats being that stupid but if they were I for one would be extremely Happy!
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
Morgan is a good player...
… as a stopgap. He’s not young (29), and though he steals lots of bases he also gets caught a lot — led the NL with 17 CS last year.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Morgan would be a very nice Xmas gift
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by lookingdeadred on Dec 20, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
I would love that
It was a thought that passed my mind early this offseason … but I don’t think there’s any chance of it happening unless it’s a “too stupid to pass” trade for Rizzo. He gets on base, he steals bases, and he is good defensively. Washington really loves him as he helped shore them up defensively and add a much needed top of the order bat for them. He also has a great personality.
According to...
MLBTR the Cubs are looking into Melky Cabrera….That was the first thing I thought of when I saw Granderson go to the Yankees.
If the Cubs are talking to the Yankees...
…. I’d rather have Brett Gardner than Melky.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Melky more likely
It would make sense for the Yankees to want to move Melky First. They still have options on Brett the Jett
Melky wouldn't be my first choice.
But he is only 25, and had a decent year last year. If they could get him at low cost, he might be OK.
I’d still rather have Gardner.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Melky is a better fit
Gardner is still in the process of learning, The Yankees have more time to fine tune a player like this while also still having the option to send him back to AAA. The Cubs need an Established outfielder and Melky is a good Ballplayer.
He'd cost more in salary.
Which would be one reason the Yankees would probably be more willing to deal him.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
$2.5 million isn't that bad
After all, this a starting CF for a major league team, not a counter job at Mickey D’s (or the Pirates).
I agree 100%.....
about Gardner.
Unfortunately I think Melky is the person the Yanks will unload.
by timeforachange2009 on Dec 20, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
Lou might enjoy...
the addition of Melky (still like Gardner better), adding Capps (RH vet pen arm) and perhaps Felipe Lopez (2B). I know that’s raises for all of those players, and I’m not sure if its all possible, but that would bring a little more balance to the lineup and I think would be a pretty darn good offseason. Thoughts?
by socalicubsfan on Dec 20, 2009 4:28 PM CST up reply actions
I know... I know...
The balance to the line-up thing drives my fellow BCB family crazy, but it would be an interesting lineup.
by socalicubsfan on Dec 20, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
Trade value and Theriot
While I believe Theriot has trade value he’ll make at most a couple million and play every day. With the backloaded contracts we have, I think he’ll be a Cub for atleast a few more years.
I am a big Theriot fan, I know some of here aren’t, but next to Z and Dempster, he’ll continue being a young Cub veteran for years to come.
But speaking of Blanco, when I went to a game at CitField last September, I saw one of the best defensive plays ever at SS from Blanco! I hope he can succeed this year.
I agree.
Given the current lack of payroll flexibility, having guys like Theriot on the roster is vital. We know exactly what we’re gonna get out of the guy, and while he’s definitely not gonna put up superstar numbers, he’s one less hole we have to fill.
And besides, we got a bunch of good SS prospects that will make it to the major leagues just as Theriot becomes eligible for free agency.
Exactly and when that day comes
Unless there’s an All-Star calibre 2B, then they’ll move Theriot to that position.
Never been a question about Blanco's glove
but there is no shortage of problems with his bat and that is what makes him a poor choice to be an everyday player. If the other 7 everyday guys are all banging the ball, you could carry a limp bat like Blanco, but the Cubs don’t have that luxury.
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by lookingdeadred on Dec 20, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
Even if the cubs had 7 allstars at the other positions...
I’d still support theriot over blanco. He’s simply a better overall player. Unless blanco manages to get his obp up to around .330, the defensive upgrade just isn’t worth the loss of offense
A couple thoughts in reply ...
1) Are you suggesting we trade Randy Wells … a lone bright spot from last year’s team and a rookie of the year candidate for David DeJesus? I don’t think that would be a very wise trade. I really don’t think it would be wise to trade Marshall either at this point.
2) Why do you think it would be better to trade for a player than get a FA? I think Byrd would be a nice fit, but if you think neither he nor DeJesus are the best option. Why trade for a bad option when you can go pick one up off the market? And why trade a top prospect? I think the better option is to pick up a FA, like Byrd or Church or Crisp or whoever and let that prospect develop.
3) If you can get anyone to take Silva, then I’m all for it. But I don’t even know if the Royals are that dumb. We’d have to eat a ton of his contract, actually probably all of it.
4) Blanco’s defense is amazing, but making him the everyday SS and or trading Theriot would be disastorous. I don’t see him ever becoming the hitter Theriot is and plus despite suspect D at times, The Riot is a fan favorite because he gives 110% at all times.
3)
The Colts are going 16-0. It is going to happen.
The key problem is the poor FA market in CF
Byrd may be the best of that lot, and he is suspect due to the Texas factor. Trading some pitchers (not the core) for Cabrera and signing him for $2.5M in 2010 does seem like a better option than paying Byrd $12-$14M for a 2-year deal.
How about the Marlins' Cody Ross?
From what I’ve seen of him (granted that’s not much) he appears to play an average to decent center field and hits for a good amount of power. The Marlins never seem to be too attached to their players if they can get some young, cheap talent in return and it probably wouldn’t take any of our top 5 or so prospects to get him (but it would probably take at least 2 or 3 total). His average and OBP are just decent, but for a center fielder he has a nice power swing and his career .807 OPS in 1506 PA’s isn’t too shabby. The past two years he has had 20+ HR and 70+ RBI (24 and 90 last year) to go along with 34 BB (kinda low) and 122 K (kinda high) in 151 games.
Do I think he is the ideal CF? No, not really. I would much rather have a top of the order/speed guy who gets on base a lot playing CF, but he would probably come at a reasonable price (in terms of talent surrendered), and would give us some solid run production hitting in the bottom half of the order. Also, another reason the Marlins would be willing to trade him is that he is arbitration eligible this year (after making 2.25 million last season) and they might not want to pay him 3-4 million more for one year or sign him long term.
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by gridiron_assassin on Dec 20, 2009 3:03 AM CST reply actions
I posted this on the Silva thread not knowing this one was started.......
On the CF situation, Hendry needs to get someone there who’s a legitimate threat on the basepaths. Pods would have been a good choice a few years ago but I think anything more than a one year incentive laden deal is foolish. Better option would be to trade for someone up and coming like Nyjer Morgan or it he really wants to make a splash try to put something together with Cleveland for Grady Sizemore. Guy has 3 years left on his deal and makes 4.6 million in 2009, $5.6 million in 1010 and $7.5 million in 2011. You’d have to give up a decent amount of players and prospects but IMO it would be well worth it. Of course there are some other young guys out there as well who are very good base stealers, not sure what Boston would ask for Jacoby Elsbury but he would be a great fit too and I saw a rumor a few weeks ago that he might be available.
Pods is...
And always has been a terrible baserunner, I’m not sure where the misconception arose that he was good.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Dec 20, 2009 8:44 AM CST up reply actions
Probably because he stole a lot of bases.
Some people ignore the fact that he got caught a lot — led the AL in CS in 2005 and 2006.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
and an even worse CF even a few years ago
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~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Dec 20, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
I'd rather have Dye or Cust roaming RF than him.
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
Thoughts
1. DeJesus is not a good CF option any longer. That is why KC went and got Crisp. Even last year when Crisp was hurt, they played Mitch Maier in CF instead of DeJesus. The Cubs could get similar CF play if they would keep Fukudome there.
2. It is tough to even consider doing anything with Silva until he shows he is healthy.
3. Not sure why Belliard was playing.
4. Blanco can not hit as well as Theriot. You are right though, Blanco’s defense is better. I also question how much interest there really would be in Theriot. He won’t get any better than he is right now.
If the Crisp to A's goes through...
I could see Rajai Davis or Scott Hairston become available. Davis, although a RH CF, would be an interesting choice to man CF for the Cubs. I still think something like Gardner would be awesome (but doubtful).
agreed
Ryan Sweeney is another guy they’ve got that is probably plus defender in CF, although its less likely the A’s would part with him.
If they sign Crisp, that’s 4 good defenders they’ve got in the OF and they will need to deal somebody since they’ve also got Travis Buck and top prospects Chris Carter and Michael Taylor waiting for a chance in the majors at the corner outfield spots.
Hairstons hitting stats don't look very good
Moderate power combined with a lot of Ks and very weak OBP (sub .300 for one recent year). I would like to find more reliable offense than that.
melky
is going to left now that damon is gone. the cubs are crying they cant afford reed so who will they get? reed did not play much last year due to bradley having to go out there every day. the bradley deal had far reaching effects. we rid ourselves of key players and he took away playing time from guys who would produce like fox and reed. thjank god he is gone to seattle.
uh
Reed Johnson didn’t play a lot last year because he was hurt a lot. Also, he was a platoon partner with Dome, more or less. Bradley had nothing to do with it.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 20, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
On Hudson...
Belliard played because Hudson’s wrist was getting balky and affected his hitting and fielding somewhat. He could still play, but for some reason, Torre fell in love with Belliard. Neither one will be back with the Dodgers in ’10. Blake DeWitt has the job now, and they signed Jamey Carroll for two years as insurance.
The Dodgers are in fire sale mode right now, whether or not they admit it. Save for Matt Kemp and maybe Andre Ethier, Colletti will listen to any offers, and maybe even Kemp and Ethier. He’s looking for cheap starting pitching. If there’s anything attractive to the Cubs on the Dodger roster that would be a good fit, I’d start by offering Sean Marshall ans see where that leads.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
From Rotoworld:
According to the Los Angeles Times, the players who are eligible for salary arbitration in the off-season could cost the Dodgers around $20 million.
The Dodgers will have to give sizable raises to Andre Ethier, Matt Kemp, Chad Billingsley, James Loney, Jonathan Broxton, Russell Martin, George Sherrill and Hong Chih-Kuo. Kemp, Billingsley, Loney and Kou will be eligible for the first time. The Times story cites agents who say that Ethier could expect to make around $7 million while Kemp could make $4 million.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
I'd love to get Kemp...
… but as Boost38 says below, it’d take quite a bit to get him.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
It's a fire sale, remember?
While I’m not saying Marshall would bring the Cubs either one, the Dodgers at this point do NOT want a big contract, like Zambrano’s or Dempster’s. Start with offering Marshall, then see what they say.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Matt Kemp
would be an OUTSTANDING pick up. Power, speed, solid defense. but i don’t see it. i’m not on the morgan bandwagon. the more i think about it, the more i like church. im scared off by byrd because the man has weight issues, 1 good year, and the whole texas ranger thing. gardner is fuld. cabrera, no thanks. but how much do u give up for kemp? hes a young guy, with all the tools. id part with a fair amount if hed be roaming center for the cubbies.
See above.
Because they may be having a fire sale.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh.
Well, hell, Hendry should jump on that tout suite.
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