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ehh....

capps is just going to be the next overpaid reliever for the cubs….not really anything special.

by cubsmania on Dec 21, 2009 10:54 PM CST reply actions  

I dunno, a solid option to set up Marmol and has experience closing?

It’s a great add, unless they overpay.

at daver's request, Let's frontload this B**ch!

by N Oakley on Dec 21, 2009 11:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Would 3 years and a NTC be overpaying?

Just wonderin’…

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by Shanghai Badger on Dec 21, 2009 11:05 PM CST up reply actions  

F@@K!!!

Is that the deal?

at daver's request, Let's frontload this B**ch!

by N Oakley on Dec 21, 2009 11:06 PM CST up reply actions  

theyre lying, thats not the deal

the deal is also backloaded

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by jesus christos on Dec 21, 2009 11:17 PM CST up reply actions  

with a 4th and 5th year

that become guaranteed with 1 outing in 2010 of more than 1 pitch. it also included a full NTC

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 21, 2009 11:23 PM CST up reply actions  

and three endangered species as pets

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 21, 2009 11:32 PM CST up reply actions  

hendrys a baaad man

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by jesus christos on Dec 21, 2009 11:43 PM CST up reply actions  

and an opt-out clause

"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin

by davidalanu on Dec 22, 2009 6:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Thank you all, I will confess to 30 seconds

of panic after badger’s 3 year NTC comment.

That’s what I get for checking in after a trip to the gym.

Bastards.

at daver's request, Let's frontload this B**ch!

by N Oakley on Dec 22, 2009 7:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Sorry, Oak

Thought you’d get the sarcasm. I guess it was late.

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by Shanghai Badger on Dec 22, 2009 8:50 AM CST up reply actions  

I opened this thread cold

after not viewing any news sources for a few hours.

Guess I’m so used to three year deals with NTC’s, it seems plausible.

at daver's request, Let's frontload this B**ch!

by N Oakley on Dec 22, 2009 9:06 AM CST up reply actions  

And therein lies the real tragedy!
it seems plausible

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by Shanghai Badger on Dec 22, 2009 9:15 AM CST up reply actions  

sad but true

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 22, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

our gm is jim hendry...

we always overpay and bid against ourselves.

by cubsmania on Dec 21, 2009 11:08 PM CST up reply actions  

If healthy the guy can pitch, but anything beyond

seasoned reliever money and 2 years is crazy.

at daver's request, Let's frontload this B**ch!

by N Oakley on Dec 21, 2009 11:15 PM CST up reply actions  

well....
The following teams have been linked to Capps: the D’Backs, Cubs, Orioles, Rangers, Rockies, Marlins, Nationals, Mets, Tigers, and Yankees

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by carmen_fanzone on Dec 22, 2009 3:07 AM CST up reply actions  

proof?

since i have posted many times proof of the opposite

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 22, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Mixed reaction

Matt Capps wouldn’t have been let go by Pittsburgh if they believed he was healthy and still effective. Not in a marketplace where there is ALWAYS a big demand for decent relief pitching and the Pirates could therefore have engineered a decent trade for themselves.

If Capps comes at a bargain rate, then I’m okay with his addition. But I doubt that is the case. Especially with Genius Jim at the helm. He already paid John Grabow more than what he should have.

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by BLou on Dec 21, 2009 11:15 PM CST reply actions  

I wouldn't shed a tear if he decided on Washington.

On another blog I read they are all for signing Kiko Calero. I gotta admit I kinda agree as he will come much cheaper and has tons of experience and success as a setup guy. Capps seems like he wants to close…which would add nice depth in case Marmol struggles…but I could see this getting in Marmol’s head and constantly looking over his shoulder.

by Les Lancaster's Mullet on Dec 21, 2009 11:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Marmols head space...

If having a talented backup behind him screws up his head space and messing with
his pitching then maybe Marmol is not the guy we want closing…

- Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
- Germans?
- Forget it, he's rolling.

by Endrick on Dec 22, 2009 12:22 AM CST up reply actions  

True

I can’t argue with you there. I was mainly just looking to add to the discussion as this could be a possiblity.

It just seems if Carlos isn’t throwing strikes I could see Lou pull him quick in favor of Capps. Not saying as the closer just in situations.

by Les Lancaster's Mullet on Dec 22, 2009 2:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong...

I would love to see Marmol get his head screwed on tight and be a lights our closer,
but he needs to know and believe he is the man with the closer job and just cause
he might be having a bad day that he is not gonna lose the closer job…

but if he can’t… we need someone confident in his role… not someone who needs
hand holding…

- Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
- Germans?
- Forget it, he's rolling.

by Endrick on Dec 22, 2009 3:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Really...?

Seems to me that Pitt likes to drop players and trade them as soon as they get good to
prevent having to pay them anything close to what they are worth, or they give up on them
after misusing them or down right failing to develop them well…

Capps was 27 for 32 and there has been no mention of an injury…

- Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
- Germans?
- Forget it, he's rolling.

by Endrick on Dec 22, 2009 12:19 AM CST up reply actions  

he got hit in the elbow by a line drive

and then got rushed back

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by jesus christos on Dec 22, 2009 12:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Ah ok...

is there anything on his recovery since end of season?

- Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
- Germans?
- Forget it, he's rolling.

by Endrick on Dec 22, 2009 12:25 AM CST up reply actions  

And he was due arbitration after being paid $6M in 2009

If the arb gave him $6M, that would use up 120% of the Pirates’ budget for player salaries in 2010 (for the 25-man roster, not closer).

by ClarkFan on Dec 22, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Huntington:
Despite wanting to retain Matt and making an aggressive offer that we believed would be at or near his free-agent value prior to the tender deadline, we felt that the risk of an arbitration award at a substantially higher amount was not a good business decision for us…Obviously, we would have preferred to get something of value in trade for Matt, but given his track record beginning in the second half of 2008, his trade value was limited throughout the summer and again this offseason.

Sounds like a money decision with a little “he sucked the 2nd half” justification thrown in at the end.

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by carmen_fanzone on Dec 22, 2009 3:12 AM CST up reply actions  

you're wrong
Matt Capps wouldn’t have been let go by Pittsburgh if they believed he was healthy and still effective.

Healthy players are let go all the time due to arbitration rules. The process often lands players far more than they’d recieve via free agency. I’m not saying that I want Capps, that he’ll be great, or that he’s worth the $8M he looks to receive. But arbitration sees a lot of players let go that are healthy.

by dmlichte on Dec 22, 2009 9:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Great idea...

let’s spend more money on the bullpen. Aside from the closer position, the Cubs have to have the most expensive pen by far.

by kanderber on Dec 22, 2009 7:24 AM CST reply actions  

Uhh...

what?

If you count Silva in the ’pen, then they might be in the discussion.

But the pen arms at this point are (all figures according to Cot’s):
Grabow: $3.75M
Marmol: TBD made 575K last year
Guzman: TBD made 422K last year
Samardzija (maybe): $2M
Marshall: TBD made 450K last year
Gorzo: TBD made 433K last year
Gray: TBD made 400K last year
Berg, Caridad, Parisi, Gaub, Parker, Patton, Stevens would all be at or near the league minimum.

IMO, Marmol is the only TBD guy who might get a raise to over $1M. (I’m admittedly not that fluent on salary raises and/or arbitration for young guys)

So if you toss in Silva, sure they’d be an expensive pen. If you don’t count him (because he’s in the rotation or because his salary is more of a reflection on the cost of MB rather than bullpen spending), the pen is the least of our money concerns.

by fsuapollo on Dec 22, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I stand corrected...

I guess I’ve just gotten to used to Hendry and his overspending on the pen.

by kanderber on Dec 22, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

We all have, sadly.

I’m no “Hendry defender”, but he should get some credit for “controlling himself” if he doesn’t spend any more on what I think looks like it will be an effective pen.

I’m fine with Capps… take him or leave him… as long as we don’t blow all available money on him.

by fsuapollo on Dec 22, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Carlos Silva will be buried on the DL in 2010

That much is a certainty. I see no chance the Cubs dick around with identifying a role for this can of kerosene.

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by BLou on Dec 22, 2009 11:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm good if he doesnt' find a role.

I’d prefer if they’d find another team to flip him and eat contract and see if they can save another $2-4M over the next two years.

at daver's request, Let's frontload this B**ch!

by N Oakley on Dec 23, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Hard to believe he's only 26

I thought for sure he was in his 30’s. I agree that he would be a good right handed set up man for Marmol and decent back up option to close but I wouldnt get into a bidding war w/the Nats.

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by tony412 on Dec 22, 2009 8:25 AM CST reply actions  

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by Al Yellon on Dec 22, 2009 8:48 AM CST reply actions  

This would be a good move

A much better move than Grabow.

Capps is only one season removed from 3 pretty good seasons, his numbers from last year can be justified from a line drive off his elbow, and he’s still only 26.

As a GM I’d be far more inclined to give Capps a deal similar to the one Hendry gave Grabow, than actually giving that deal to Grabow.

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by WittyUserName on Dec 22, 2009 9:05 AM CST reply actions  

well...

i’m not really a fan of spending on relievers, but this would be a better signing than Grabow. Capps up until last season was a 1 WAR reliever worth right around $4 million.

Of course there’s very little upside in paying a reliever that much and significant downside considering he could post another year like last year where he earned $-1.8 million

All that said, Capps is someone who throws strikes and that is something our bullpen sorely lacks. Given Pineilla’s hatred of walks (with good reason), I’d imagine Capps would eventually become the favorite of Pineilla in the pen.

Had we not signed Grabow I’d be more comfortable with this, but now dumping 7-9 million into the pen this year for a chance at 1.5 WAR is a complete waste of limited resources

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 22, 2009 9:07 AM CST reply actions  

Yes and no

The team would be in a much better position had it not overspent on Grabow. I’d have much rather seen Hendry pick up Capps for $7.5/2 than Grabow.

However, I think I’d still like to see Hendry make a move that I consider a good one, regardless of him having made a previous move that I don’t agree with.

That said, I don’t really know how much money the team has to manuever with, so it might not be the most efficient use of the resources available. But I think Capps would certainly help to shore up the bullpen.

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by WittyUserName on Dec 22, 2009 9:25 AM CST up reply actions  

your last sentence

is what it comes down to for me. In a vacuum the Capps signing makes sense, but if you have only say $6 million to spend and you put half of it into Capps, that’s not an efficient use of resources to maximize value

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 22, 2009 9:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Well.

He can close for the Nats, which was one of his criteria. OTOH, if he signs there, he’ll be on another bad team that is far from the playoffs.

If he comes to the Cubs, he becomes a setup guy on a contending team, with the possibility he might close if Marmol fails. I know which one I’d pick, presuming the money is close or equal.

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by Al Yellon on Dec 22, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not saying I wouldn't want him

But I’m basically more afraid that we’ll overpay Capps to lure him away from the Nats.

by Adam U on Dec 22, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

That would be my fear.

I do want Capps, but not if the Cubs overpay him.

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by Al Yellon on Dec 22, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

I would imagine that

Capps has seen Marmol several times since we play them so many times a year. I agree that he hopes Marmol has mental breakdowns, and then gets demoted by Lou.

by Adam U on Dec 22, 2009 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

He'll close

but how many opportunities would he have with the Nats?

by LT on Dec 22, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

The Nats posted 33 saves last year...

… while winning 62 games. If they can bump up to 70 wins or so, he’d likely get at least 35-40 save opps.

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by Al Yellon on Dec 22, 2009 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

There must be a hard limit to what you pay Matt Capps

There is no way Hendry should get into a bidding war of sorts for Capps. No matter how you slice it Capps comes with risk. We can’t afford to invest another pile full of money on a dubious signing. Hopefully Genius Jim and his crack scouting staff have done their homework on the guy and will let objective analysis dictate what a fair contract offer should be.

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by BLou on Dec 22, 2009 11:23 PM CST up reply actions  

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