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Cubs Historic Photos: Tenth In A Series

This one's a little cryptic, and the first Cubs road game to be featured in this series. The identity of one of the players in this photo should be obvious, and if you think about it and the numbering style of the other team, you should be able to figure out when this was taken.

A great DP combination for many years!

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The stadium in question is Dodger Stadium -- although they have retired number banners and ads on the outfield wall now, that was the only ballpark at the time to have those sorts of numbers on the walls. At the time Dodger Stadium was only in its fourth season; it is now the third-oldest park in the major leagues, 48 years old in 2010.

The identifiable Cub is, clearly, Don Kessinger. After a brief callup in 1964, he had been recalled in June 1965 and installed as the starting SS, not quite 23 years old. The Cubs played the Dodgers in LA in only two series after Kessinger's recall; the second "series" -- really, only one game -- was Sandy Koufax's perfect game on September 9. But the Dodger in that photo -- John Roseboro, who wore #8 for LA that year -- didn't play in the perfect game; that game was caught by Jeff Torborg.

So it has to be the other series, from July 15-18. Roseboro played in all four games of that series, but was retired at second base only once in the series: he was caught stealing to end the bottom of the third inning by Cubs catcher Ed Bailey in the first game of that series on July 15. Glenn Beckert, also a 1965 rookie, is the other Cub in the photo. Beckert and Kessinger, of course, would make up the Cubs' double play combination for nine seasons, from 1965-73, until Beckert was traded to the Padres after the 1973 season.

The Cubs lost that game anyway, 5-0; Don Drysdale threw a three-hit shutout, one of 18 times the Cubs were shut out on their way to a 90-loss season. The Dodgers, of course, won the 1965 NL pennant and World Series.

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A little mis-direction on the "numbering style of the other team".

I was looking at the uniform of #8, not the outfield wall numbering. I knew this was Beck & Kess, but I thought it was against the Mets. Agee was #8, wasn’t he? That’s where my mind went.

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by Zeke on Dec 29, 2009 9:14 AM CST reply actions  

I believe Tommie Agee wore #20 for the Mets, not #8.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 29, 2009 9:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Whatever the number, he's still out.

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by Zeke on Dec 29, 2009 9:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Agee?

Absolutely. He was out 40 years ago, and he’s STILL out.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 29, 2009 9:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Kessinger, Beckert, Santo, and Banks

That was quite the infield. Yeah, I know the first baseman Ernie Banks was not as good as the shortstop Ernie Banks, but Mr. Cub could still play some in the late 1960’s. Santo was great. For their time, Kessinger and Beckert were good, not great. I realize that Kessinger’s offensive statistics with his lack of power and low OBP are far less than impressive. Kess was an all-star six times.

Since then, we’ve had the Garvey-Lopes-Cey-Russell Dodgers infield that stayed together for about 10 years. These days, it’s hard to keep a good infield together for any length of time. The Yankees infield of Tino Martinez, Knoblauch, Brosius, and Jeter was only together as an infield from 1998-2000 with Knoblauch moving to left field and Soriano playing second base in 2001.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Dec 29, 2009 10:27 AM CST reply actions  

Must have been a botched hit and run

Roseboro was 1 for 7 in SB attempts in 1965. Of course, maybe he was still shaken up by his harrowing encounter with Mr. Ed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVm-HwAkVp8

by Mike Vails Evil Twin on Dec 29, 2009 10:39 AM CST reply actions  

About a month later,

Johnny Roseboro was involved in what might possibly be the worst benches-clearing brawl in baseball ever.

Dodgers at Giants, in August 1965. Sandy Koufax (LA) vs. Juan Marichal (SF).

During the game, Marichal nearly hit Dodgers batters Maury Willis and Ron Fairly with pitches. When Marichal came to bat, Koufax didn’t attempt to retaliate. Roseboro, however, returned pitches to Koufax dangerously close to Marichal’s head.

Marichal, in one of the ugliest incidents ever in baseball, took the bat and began attacking Roseboro. Koufax and Willie Mays had to rush in to play peace-makers.

Roseboro required fourteen stitches and had to go to the hospital.

Link to the game’s box score.

Amazingly, years later, Marichal and Roseboro became close friends, and Roseboro campaigned to get Marichal elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame. When Marichal was indeed elected in 1983, he thanked Roseboro for his support.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Dec 29, 2009 11:00 AM CST reply actions  

Roseboro later admitted to what Marichal said, that he was throwing pitches back to Koufax by Marichal's head.

In the picture above, Roseboro is falling on his knees, falling toward 26, while Shag Crawford tries to restrain Marichal (27).

At the left, Sandy Koufax is about to come in to try to help break up the brawl.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Dec 29, 2009 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Production

The Cubs finished 8th that year even though they had a trio of 100 rbi men. Williams, Santo, & Banks. Very rare during that era.

"It's a funny old world. Man's lucky if he gets out of it alive." W.C. Fields

by KedzieKid on Dec 29, 2009 11:07 AM CST reply actions  

The rest of the offense, though, was pathetic.

The ’65 Cubs scored 635 runs — seventh in the 10-team NL. The 723 runs allowed were worse — ninth.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 29, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

I think it's why I became a Cub fan instead of a Sox fan.

Both teams were shown in equal amounts on WGN, but the Cubs had Williams, Santo and Banks who could hit home runs. Way more fun for a little kid than the far superior Sox with their great pitching staff. No one on the Sox could hit homers. Guys like Tommy McCraw and Pete Ward would lead the team in homers with totals in the teens. Too boring for a kid.

by the nth on Dec 29, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

I believe there were many more Cubs games

on WGN in that era than Sox games. Every Cubs home game — since all games were played in the day — were on. I have a WGN schedule from that era, and I will check it…when…I’m…not…at…work…

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Dec 29, 2009 1:13 PM CST reply actions  

Here's what I suspect you will find.

The teams shared WGN-TV through the 1967 season. All 81 Cubs home games were televised. MOST but not all White Sox home games were televised — I’d say about 50 or so. Selected road games for both teams were televised.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 29, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Sox Games on WGN in 1981?

There’s probably no way to look this up. How many White Sox games would have been on WGN in 1981 had it not been for the strike? I don’t even know if there is any kind of way to find out how many Sox games were actually on WGN in 1981 with Harry Caray announcing.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Dec 29, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

The White Sox were not on WGN in 1981.

They left WGN in 1968 to have a station to themselves — WFLD, channel 32. Hard to believe in this era of cable and satellite, but there were still TV’s in Chicago in the late 60s that could not get UHF channels. In the mid 1970’s they moved to channel 44.

I think you mistook “all 81 Cubs home games” for the year — I meant the NUMBER of games.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 29, 2009 5:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Jack Drees, Mel Parnell

…some of the TV White Sox voices of that era on Channel 32.

I hope the good Dr. doesn’t get mad for me mentioning this factoid.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Dec 29, 2009 6:02 PM CST up reply actions  

When they hired Harry in 1971...

… one of his sidekicks was ex-Sox and Cubs catcher J.C. Martin.

He was awful.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 29, 2009 6:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Heh, heh. There were still TVs in Michigan without UHF in the late 1960s and even early 1970s. Like mine.

Black and white, no less. With a DIAL. You actually had to get up out of your chair and walk over to the TV to turn it to another channel. (Hey you kids! Get off my lawn!)

Channels 2, 5, 7, 9 & 11. That was it. One of the reasons I didn’t realize until I was about 5 years old that we didn’t live in Illinois

Maybe channel 3 on a good day out of Kalamazoo, but with lots of snow or ghosting.

“What’s ‘snow and ghosting’, daddy?”

Go ask mom…

I thought I told you kids to get off my lawn!

Harumpf! (Can I get a “Harumpf”?) Harumpf! Harumpf! Harumpf!

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by Zeke on Dec 30, 2009 6:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Day games

I believe ALL day home games of both teams were televised, and then quite a few Sox road games and a handful of Cub road games were televised. Not sure what year the Sox actually had any night home games shown on WGN. Had to be after 1965, since I don’t remeber seeing any thru then.

"It's a funny old world. Man's lucky if he gets out of it alive." W.C. Fields

by KedzieKid on Dec 29, 2009 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, you're probably right.

Of course the pieces of the weekday afternoon home games during school were usually only seen by me if I was sick or if they went into extra innings and I ran home from school.

I watched a lot of Sox games though. I didn’t hate them either. I just didn’t get upset if they lost. I remember rooting for them when they all but had the ‘67 pennant sewn up and then blew it in Kansas City. Didn’t bother me anywhere near as much as the ’69 Cubs.

I think the hating has come more since inter-league play began.

Oh, and if any baby boomer kid says they didn’t think the Sox scoreboard was cool, they’re lying. It’s just that the Sox didn’t have many people who could set it off.

by the nth on Dec 29, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

How old are you?

Is anyone old enough to remember the winter ( must have been in ’58, or ’59) when games were televised from Cuba? I vaguely remember a cute little blonde manually hanging up the score of each inning. Many major leaguers played in this league, like Tony Taylor Jose Valdevielso, George Altman, Pancho Herrera, etc. Played for teams like the HAvana Cubans, Cienfuegos Elephants, etc.

"It's a funny old world. Man's lucky if he gets out of it alive." W.C. Fields

by KedzieKid on Dec 29, 2009 2:25 PM CST reply actions  

Who televised those games?

That’s a bit before my time as a baseball fan.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 29, 2009 5:54 PM CST up reply actions  

not sure

I believe it was on channel 7 in Chicago. I was only about 7 or 8 so I can’t say for sure. Maybe someone on this site who’s a little older than I enlighten us.

"It's a funny old world. Man's lucky if he gets out of it alive." W.C. Fields

by KedzieKid on Dec 29, 2009 7:23 PM CST up reply actions  

That was in the winter of '59-'60 , months before Castro nationalized...

…US properties, which quickly led to the same diplomatic standoff we have with Cuba today. The Reds had their International League AAA farm team in Havana back then. I believe the winter games were called by Al Helfer, who had been Barber and Scully’s partner in Brooklyn. These were broadcast live on Saturday nights.

by ernaga on Jan 14, 2010 5:31 PM CST up reply actions  

It's hard to believe that the Cubs haven't been no-hit since Koufax's perfect game

That’s the longest current streak of avoiding being no-hit – maybe the longest such streak in ML history. It’s just strange to think that with as bad as they’ve been over the years, the Cubs have still gotten at least one hit in every game since my parents were both in elementary school.

Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.

by hip2bsquare on Dec 29, 2009 2:38 PM CST reply actions  

As Joe Garagiola once penned: "Baseball is a Funny Game."

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by Zeke on Dec 29, 2009 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I posted on this last August.

Turns out the count I was given was incorrect. Supposedly the Cubs broke the record in August, but actually, will not break it till the 35th game of 2010.

The previous record was held by the Yankees, who were no-hit by Hoyt Wilhelm in 1958 and then not again till the 6-man combined no-hitter by the Astros in 2003.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 29, 2009 5:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Cool. Something to shoot for out of the gate.

Other than, you know, going 35-0…

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by Zeke on Dec 30, 2009 6:21 AM CST up reply actions  

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