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Offseason Review to Date

Take yourself back to the beginning of the offseason, and imagine this was the headline:

Cubs Trade Milton Bradley, Aaron Miles, and Jake Fox for Carlos Silva, Marlon Byrd, and Prospects

Now that doesn't sound too bad, does it? This is the extent of the Cubs major moves thus far in the offseason, and it's a pretty good set of maneuvers by the Cubs' GM, Jim Hendry. The Cubs came into the offseason with the following priorities: 1.) acquire a CF, 2.) move Milton Bradley, 3.) keep in mind payroll is capped at ~$140M. Jim Hendry did an admirable job accomplishing 1. and 2., and did so without significantly increasing team payroll in 2010 or 2011. Marlon Byrd and Mike Cameron were the best CF options on the free agent market, and once the Yankees swooped in and scooped up Curtis Granderson there weren't any eminently available CF options on the trade market, either. Once the Red Sox signed Cameron, Byrd was the only reasonable option left, and Hendry signed him to a 3-year, $15M contract. Byrd will make $3M in 2010, $5.5M in 2011, and $6.5M in 2012. When trading Bradley, the Cubs "acquired" Carlos Silva, and in the process lowered the team salary by $5M over the next two years, assuming they buy out SIlva's contract next year (Silva is owed $25M over the next two years, Bradley was owed $21M and the Cubs will get $9M from the Mariners). The Cubs freed an additional $1.7M by trading Miles (and Jake Fox) for prospects, meaning the net change in salaries for those 3 moves is an additional $1.8M over the next two seasons and an additional $6.5M in 2012. That's pretty good. Where do the Cubs project to finish the season now? Follow me below the fold to find out...

Star-divide

Well I had the Cubs projected to win 87-88 games (looking back, the Cubs are well on their way to running with "Plan C" in that post) assuming they kept last year's roster largely intact by re-signing Harden and finding a way to make amends with Bradley. By removing Bradley, shifting Fukudome to RF, and signing Byrd to play CF, the Cubs are projected lose about 12-13 runs on offense and gain about 12-13 runs on defense. Let's call that a wash. Fox will get a lot less playing time with the acquisition of Byrd and trading of Bradley, as Bradley's proclivity for injuries and suspensions reduced his projected playing time (and raised those of Fox). Besides, Fuld's glove and Colvin's left-handed bat are better fits for this team, as currently constructed. So while Fox did have some value, he has a lot less now that the Cubs signed Marlon Byrd and traded Bradley.

There's one other major change from last year's team to this year's team: no Rich Harden. Harden was projected to give the Cubs 2.68 WAR. The Cubs are (hopefully) replacing him with innings from Tom Gorzelanny, unless they roll the dice and win with another injury-risk pitcher like Erik Bedard or Ben Sheets. If that's the case, and Gorzelanny is only going projected to post ~1.5 wins less than Harden if given the same IP. That would leave the Cubs in the 85-87 win range. That's not a bad team, but it's not a playoff team, either. I'd like to see them make one more move to push that projected win total into the high 80's.

There are basically three places the Cubs can still significantly improve their projections:

SECOND BASE

If Kelly Johnson hadn't been signed by the Diamondbacks, he'd be the ideal acquisition. He's a LH bat that's primed for a rebound season. If the Cubs had signed him and moved Baker to the "DeRosa role" (platoon/utility player) they'd have a great shot at 88-90 wins. The only players left at 2B on the free agent market worth writing about are Orlando Hudson and Felipe Lopez. They're both switch hitters that could lead off, and both should be 2-3 win players, and would allow Baker to give the Cubs good versatility defensively. A 2-year, $6-$8M contract may get it done. That would bring the Cubs projected win total in the range of 87-90 wins, just below where you want to be if you plan to make the playoffs. The other option is to explore a trade for someone like Dan Uggla. Yes, he was brutal defensively last season but overall he's been slightly below average in the field, and well above it at the plate. He should be at least a 3-win player in 2010. If the Cubs acquired him, I'd be optimistic about 2010.

SHORTSTOP

I'm not a Ryan Theriot hater. But the Cubs seem ready to roll with Starlin Castro at SS for the forseeable future. If that's the case, you could sign a SS to a 1-2 year contract and move Theriot to second base. This would again move Baker to a utility role. Miguel Tejada is still available, and could produce 2-3 wins for the Cubs. I'm not sure what he's asking for in terms of contracts, but my guess is that number is too high. He'd still be offering a 1-2 year deal worth $6-$8M, but I'm not sure he accepts it. I'd also prefer the lead-off switch hitter type to the power-hitting RH bat Tejada carries. That's the extent of the free agent options I'd be interested in.

CLOSER

I'm not optimistic about Carlos Marmol's ability to close out games. He's wild. REALLY wild. In an ideal world, the Cubs would have paired the $3M/year or so they have left to spend with the $3.5M/year they already committed to John Grabow and go after a guy like Rafael Soriano or Mike Gonzalez. Still, with the options dwindling for him, maybe the Cubs can get Jose Valverde at a discount. A back end of Valverde/Marmol should be both obnoxious and effective.

STARTER

Finally, the Cubs could go after a pitcher that's an injury risk, such as Ben Sheets or Erik Bedard. I don't know how much money these guys are looking for, but they may fit into the Cubs budget. This would effectively replace Harden's spot as a highly effective pitcher of questionable durability. Gorzelanny would return to the 6th starter's role, and would fill in for Lilly at the start of the year. He'd also be a good replacement should Sheets/Bedard get injured. I really, really like this option, and hope the Cubs pursue it. Something like $4M in 2010 with incentives based on IP to bring it up to $10M would make sense, as if the Cubs get a full year of Sheets/Bedard they'll be in playoff contention and a good bet to pay off the extra $6M.

So thus far, it's the moves Hendry hasn't made that has been the problem with the offsason. He didn't get Gradnerson or Cameron. He didn't bring back Rich Harden, and he wasn't the guy that stole Cliff Lee for next to nothing. More generally, he hasn't gotten a second baseman or a shortstop. He hasn't gotten a left-handed bat. He hasn't gotten a closer or a starting pitcher. The good news is that there are good bargains still on the market, and Hendry only needs to make one or two of these moves to make the Cubs a contender. What's the saying around here for that?

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I dunno...

I’m just not as optimistic there is going to be enough offense.

Let’s hope Aram can pick up the slack, and Soriano rebounds, if that’s possible!

"What is he doing!?"
-Doug Collins

by TyCubsfan on Dec 31, 2009 3:56 PM CST reply actions  

Soriano is the subject of my Maple St. Press article...

and I’m cautiously optimistic he’ll be a 2-3 win player again in 2010.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

i thought it was interesting to see the numbers side by side

and I remember people whining about DeRosa being signed and many of them whined about him being traded. I hope that the whining about Byrd has the same results

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 31, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions  

minus the trade

"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver

by wrigleyrocker12 on Dec 31, 2009 5:23 PM CST up reply actions  

depends

if we can get three cost controlled pitchers in year three of the deal after getting two valuable seasons out of Byrd, why not trade him when he is 35/36 and going into the the final season of his contract

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 31, 2009 5:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly.

That would be the ideal outcome.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 7:01 PM CST up reply actions  

and would be identical to DeRosa

two nice seasons as a Cub, moved in year three for three cost controlled pitchers.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 31, 2009 7:15 PM CST up reply actions  

assuming of course, those three cost-controlled pitchers amount to something

IMO, jury’s still out on how good the DeRosa deal was.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Dec 31, 2009 9:18 PM CST up reply actions  

i agree that the jury is out

and we cannot say it was good or bad for another 2 years IMHO

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 31, 2009 9:25 PM CST up reply actions  

We got rid

of three problems (Bradley’s attitude, Miles ineptitude and Fox’s lack of a position) and got one player more inept than Miles (Silva) and another solid but unspectacular player in Byrd with too long a contract. I’d like to say we’re going to miss Rich Harden next season, but we missed him last season. We’re also praying that Randy Wells fairy godmother doesn’t show back up and chime midnight. I’m very worried about the back end of our rotation. Maybe Samardzija or Jay Jackson will step up—or maybe even Casey Coleman.

Still, it’s not like the Cardinal, Brewers or Reds are any great shakes. And the Astros and Pirates are just bad. So we’ve got a chance. But this off-season has been spent cleaning up last off-season’s mistakes—and we still haven’t completely recovered.

by Josh77 on Dec 31, 2009 4:01 PM CST reply actions  

That's about how I feel.

But if the Cubs can sign another SP to add depth or another bat to improve the offense (preferably a lefty or switch hitter) they’ll be in good shape.

The other thing that will help, perhaps more than anything else, if for someone other than St. Louis to sign Matt Holliday.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 4:12 PM CST up reply actions  

this team is currently depending on

people repeating fantastic seasons, and people bouncing back. its hard to tell what kind of season they’ll have

"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver

by wrigleyrocker12 on Dec 31, 2009 5:25 PM CST up reply actions  

What "fantastic seasons" are we expecting people to repeat?

The only truly unexpectedly great year last year belonged to Randy Wells.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 31, 2009 6:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I think

this is just a perpetuation of the idea that 2008 was the outlier… and therefore we shouldn’t expect people (Sori, Soto, etc.) to repeat those seasons.

What I don’t get is why some can’t see the possibility of a happy medium. If our offense falls somewhere between 2008 and 2009, I don’t think 90 wins is out of the question at all.

by fsuapollo on Dec 31, 2009 6:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Soriano had about the same year in 2007.

In fact, the Cubs don’t make the playoffs in ’07 without him.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 31, 2009 6:18 PM CST up reply actions  

You could make a case for Derrek Lee after April finally ended...

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Dec 31, 2009 6:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure there's a strong case to be made there

He’s clearly not in steep decline, but expecting another year of that production will likely lead to disappointment.

by madcow256 on Jan 1, 2010 9:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Maybe a better version is "not so bad as all that seasons"

Soto bounces back to hit 15-20 HR and bat at least .260.

Soriano plays at least 130 games reasonably healthy, hits 30+ HR again and gets his BA back up to around .280.

Ramirez plays at least 130 games, while hitting at his normal level.

Zambrano gets back to 200+ innings with an ERA of 3.5 or so and wins 15-16 games.

Marmol gets his BB/inning back to about 0.5 and finds more of the action he showed in 2007 and 2008.

All these things are within the range of past accomplishments of these players, but are real improvements over what they did last year. If all of them happen, the Cubs win the division. More than 2 misses, or if players not listed have off years (Lee, Fukudome), the Cubs need a series of small miracles to contend.

by ClarkFan on Dec 31, 2009 6:32 PM CST up reply actions  

It was both.

You shouldn’t expect to have quite as many injury issues this year AND you should expect better luck this year. Not good luck, just neutral luck. That would probably be an upgrade.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 7:26 PM CST up reply actions  

there was a lot of good luck

on the pitching side though

IIRC the team FIP was 30 points higher than the actual ERA

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 31, 2009 8:37 PM CST up reply actions  

coule be.

I probably sound more optimistic than I am. I like most of the moves Hendry has made this year (except the Grabow move and NOT offering Harden arb.). That said, I don’t think he’s done enough to make this team a contender in 2010, especially if the Cards sign Holliday.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 8:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Sam Fuld of course.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Jan 1, 2010 12:01 AM CST up reply actions  

...This is the extend of the Cubs... Huh?

But seriously, even if you put a warm light on the moves since the end of the season, my gut feeling just isn’t sooo good. If everything goes well we should do better than last year, but if the injury bug pops up again, then we might end up seeing how “lucky” we were in 2009, and somehow the current trades don’t make me feel very optimistic right now. Imho, the only really highly positive move is MB is gone.

Have a Happy New Year, keep the faith and maybe this will be The Year!

Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -

by eths on Dec 31, 2009 4:01 PM CST reply actions  

The problem is...

they only had $140M to spend, and most of that was already committed to players on the roster. I think Hendry has done an great job given what he had to work with.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I understand the limitations, and they are mostly of his own doing...

Even if his latest moves are the best considering the circumstances, they still do not “feel” good.

Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -

by eths on Dec 31, 2009 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Fair enough, but that has more to do with past off-seasons than this one.

It’s been a relatively good offseason given the circumstances. The mistakes were made before this year.

And I don’t think the Cubs aren’t a contending team as is. But I also don’t think Hendry is done yet. I think he’s got one or two more moves up his sleeve.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I hope you're right,

and as far as contending is concerned, there is a bit random chance involved too, so who knows…

Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -

by eths on Dec 31, 2009 4:46 PM CST up reply actions  

yep - at this point, you just have to treat the past off-seasons as stunk costs and focus on this one.

the thought of giving Byrd a 3 year deal still makes my stomach turn, turn, turn, but at least it wasn’t an overly expensive one.

But if I find out Hendry gave him a NTC, I’m gonna hire Doggie go all Worf on Jimbo at the convention.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Dec 31, 2009 5:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Stunk costs?

Freudian slip…or intentional?

"I have the time and hatred but not the knowledge." ~Madison Cub Fan (Aug. 25, 2009)

by Goodie1969 on Dec 31, 2009 5:22 PM CST up reply actions  

either way, it's a keeper

you can’t get much by that #$%@ ballhawk -- LT

by Emelie on Dec 31, 2009 5:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes

One of my many bad typos lead poor Eyre to be nicknamed Stumples.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Jan 1, 2010 12:03 AM CST up reply actions  

well, of course now I'm going to say it was intentional...

…after getting the Good Em Seal of Approval! ;-)

but yes, it was intentional – as was the musical reference elsewhere in that comment. But that’s something I expect only us old fogeys would get.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Dec 31, 2009 6:09 PM CST up reply actions  

You will now be known as the Sweetheart of the Rodeo

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Dec 31, 2009 6:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Projections versus reality

You project the Cubs to win 85-87 games, but that’s not really worth much. I’m pretty sure last years Cubs were projected to win more than 83 games. Projections don’t account for the human aspect of the game, like the injuries the Cubs dealt with and guys under performing.

I take projections with a huge grain of salt.

All that said, I’d take 87 wins…might get them in. Plus, to expect more from this group would be unfair.

Scott Bora$ is satan.

by Canadian Cubs Fan on Dec 31, 2009 4:09 PM CST reply actions  

Sure, there's a lot of uncertainty in projections...

but that’s no reason to throw them out. They’re better than a “wild guess,” and that’s the point. This gives you a good estimate of what to expect out of the team, it doesn’t tell you what the team will do. And if you want to make the playoffs, you should build a team that is expected to win 90 games.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions  

really?

a very similar group won 97 games in 08

"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver

by wrigleyrocker12 on Dec 31, 2009 5:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually Al...

regarding your opening question, that sounds like a horrible trade to me.

Let’s be honest here, this offseason has sucked to this point. Fortunately we’re in the NL Central, and we underachieved quite a bit last year, so a huge offseason wasn’t exactly necessary in order to compete in 2010.

by kanderber on Dec 31, 2009 4:18 PM CST reply actions  

This wasn't my post, it's Shawn's.

And I’d have taken that trade, especially now that we know Byrd won’t make all that much in 2010 or 2011. Byrd wasn’t my first choice, but he is hardly a bad player.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 31, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Right. He's hardly a good player, either...

but they’re not playing him to be good or bad. His salary is that of a below-average player, and he should be league-average.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Not Al, Shawn...

and what don’t you like about that deal? The Cubs netted +/- 0 projected WAR, and in the process got rid of a guy that didn’t seem to get along with teammates, fans, or media members. And you do all that without increasing payroll? That’s win-win-draw.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Because while doing so...

they acquired possibly the worst pitcher in baseball, who we’re on the hook for this year and next, and didn’t get better in the process of moving these parts around. At all. In summary, yes, I would turn down a deal that A) doesn’t make the team any better and B) at the same time weakens the most important piece of the puzzle (the pitching staff).

by kanderber on Dec 31, 2009 5:41 PM CST up reply actions  

The Cubs didn't acquire Silva

He was just the guy the Mariners designated to deliver the $6MM that was saved by moving Bradley.

by ClarkFan on Dec 31, 2009 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Wait - are you saying we got...

…the Six Million Dollar Man???

I can hear Rothschild now… “We can rebuild him. Faster… Stronger… Better than before!”

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Dec 31, 2009 6:22 PM CST up reply actions  

No, we got the $6 million

the man was thrown in for free……..

But if Rothschild can add some bionic parts cloned from Nolan Ryan, that would be fine with me!

by ClarkFan on Dec 31, 2009 6:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Except the 6 million

will be down to 5.5 with the cost of feeding him in Spring Training before they cut him.

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Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Jan 1, 2010 12:04 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

That's outstanding.

"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin

by davidalanu on Jan 1, 2010 6:39 AM CST up reply actions  

It didn't weaken anything.

Silva isn’t a great pitcher. Let’s assume for the moment that he’s below replacement level and the Cubs cut him, getting nothing at all out of him. They still are even in the OF from where they were, and haven’t added any salary to the club. Plus, they got rid of a guy that was a bad fit (Bradley). At worst, they’re not any better or worse talentwise. Then the “tiebreaker” is chemistry, which is a net positive, no matter how small.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 7:04 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

its not like Lou is going to keep running Silva out there if he is getting lit up like the past few years. His impact on the team’s 10’ performance will lilkely be minimal.

Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."

by DC Cubbie on Dec 31, 2009 9:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Bob Howry

would like a word.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jan 1, 2010 6:39 PM CST up reply actions  

What are you talking about?

Carlos Silva is absolutely awful at baseball. He makes ANY team worse when he becomes a member of it. It’s that simple.

by kanderber on Jan 1, 2010 12:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Uh huh.

You mean like the 2004 Twins, for whom he was a key member of the rotation?

How about we consider the possibility that he could lose weight, get in shape and be a decent 5th starter?

How about waiting till the actual games are played before we reach this conclusion?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jan 1, 2010 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

2004? Really?

Six years ago? That’s your argument for how he might somehow be useful?

Carlos Silva sucks. Period. I’m glad Bradley is gone, but somehow implying that Silva might actually contribute this year is silly.

by kanderber on Jan 1, 2010 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Silva has been no good since being a Mariner.

The Mariners pitcher coaching stinks. So, no longer being a Mariner helps. But even then he has significiant hurdles to cross to be valuable as a starter. kanderber is likely to be right in the end, but there are signs that Silva might be useful as a ROOGY. Let’s see how he is in camp.

"We’re going to come back here next year healthy and do what we’re supposed to do, and we’re going to be all right. That’s not Hendry’s fault. He thought it was the right move. It didn’t work out. But at the same time, he’s the same guy that put back-to-back championship teams together." - Aramis Ramirez

by DGU on Jan 1, 2010 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I prefer to wait and see until the man actually pitches until I dismiss him.

Real easy to say this from the comfort of your keyboard on New Year’s Day.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jan 1, 2010 5:08 PM CST up reply actions  

So you choose to...

just completely ignore the information right in front of you? The fact that he was pathetic the last two years? The fact that his ERA the last four years is 5.60? The fact that the Mariners were so happy to get rid of him, that they took on Milton Bradley in exchange? The fact that he’s continued to suck in winterball? The guy just isn’t good at baseball, I don’t get why you refuse to acknowledge that.

by kanderber on Jan 1, 2010 6:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I acknowledge he's been bad the last two years.

I said that above, I said it when the trade was made.

Why you refuse to admit that there is even a tiny chance that he might get in shape and improve, I have no idea.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jan 1, 2010 6:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Of course it's possible...

Anything is possible. I could win the lottery, but it’s highly unlikely. Just as Carlos Silva could be decent, but it’s highly unlikely.

by kanderber on Jan 1, 2010 6:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Hendry will have a different result needed

under Ricketts than under the Trib. Remember under the Trib the “powers that be” want to see black not red, and do not care about wins/loses. That is gone with a person instead of a corporation owning the Cubs now, and you have to give Hendry a chance to adjust to that and make proper moves now.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 1, 2010 6:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Umm, ok?

I don’t see what that has to do with the post of mine which you responded to, but alright.

by kanderber on Jan 1, 2010 6:44 PM CST up reply actions  

its another reason to stop your tirade against JH

hard to believe that his bosses might actually have told him to do or not to do things based on stockholder interests when owned by a corporation, and now that has changed, he deserves a chance to make adjustments etc

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 1, 2010 6:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I never said it was likely.

I said it was possible. I’d like to see how he does in games vs. actual major league competition before I label him a complete failure.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jan 1, 2010 6:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, for consistency's sake...

are you willing to admit there was a tiny chance that Bradley might have gotten his head in shape and improve if he had stayed on the Cubs for 2010?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jan 2, 2010 2:02 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

It has nothing to do with how good/bad Silva is...

and everything to do with how much they’re paying him compared to what they were going to pay Bradley. The Cubs are better off for having made that trade. Worst case scenario, Silva sucks and the Cubs cut him. That’s probably a better outcome than the Cubs cutting Bradley.

by shawndgoldman on Jan 1, 2010 9:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Correct!

And there’s at least a chance he might improve to be at least a decent #5.

And they got $6 million back in the deal, too.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jan 1, 2010 9:08 PM CST up reply actions  

it does...

require the assumption the Cubs would be willing to cut him

there are scenarios in which the Cubs keep him on the roster because of the salary committment hoping to flip him and he hurts the team. It’s not like that’s not a possibility, i admit its a small one, but its worth noting. It’s not like its impossible that he can hurt the team

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jan 1, 2010 9:41 PM CST up reply actions  

It's not impossible...

but people that think this is a bad deal are assuming the opposite: that the Cubs will hold onto him and play him just because he’s getting paid a hefty salary. I don’t think that’s the case with this particular player.

by shawndgoldman on Jan 2, 2010 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

The saying be..... (yes, I put be on purpose)

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by Cubbiegoon on Dec 31, 2009 4:18 PM CST reply actions  

I figured it out anyway.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 31, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

i liked it

was a nice twist on the same ol

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 31, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Now that most major issues are settled

with CF done, I think another move may do the trick. I was thinking of picking up someone in spring training like we did with Reed Johnson. That worked out well. If nothing happens before we break camp, I would search for a piece that may help. Or, just trade/sign next week. ANYTHING PLEASE!

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Dec 31, 2009 4:22 PM CST reply actions  

Build a pen from within

The Cubs don’t need to be burned by another cash deal for a closer. Who’s to say Marmol hasn’t developed to the best of his ability? They’ve already signed set-up help. Let’s try to keeps costs down with a home-grown closer.

If Valverde can be acquired at a discount, go ahead. The Padres have always assembled a bullpen to compliment Trevor Hoffman with spare parts. Heath Bell was a spare part and became a closer. They realized they didn’t have to spend millions and millions on Trevor Hoffman.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Dec 31, 2009 4:25 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah I'm not in favor of spending money on the bullpen, usually.

I just don’t trust Marmol to be the closer. If he can find the plate in 2010, the bullpen will be fine as-is.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

And if he can't, Guzman or Grabow can close.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 31, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Right.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 31, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

judging by the way Pinella

handled the closer situation last year, i’d be surprised to see anyone other than Marmol in the 9th (barring injury)

by Andronicus on Dec 31, 2009 6:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Me too.

And I’d rather that “one guy” be someone else.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 7:05 PM CST up reply actions  

same here.

i like Marmol more in the 8th and would love to see Velverde locking down wins.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 31, 2009 7:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I know they don't want to do this

but Cashner can close—maybe even next season.

by Josh77 on Dec 31, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Sometimes...

…. as I posted last week, you have to start trusting the guys from your own system, instead of throwing untold amounts of money at free agents.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 31, 2009 5:03 PM CST up reply actions  

No argument from me

But I think the reason the Cubs don’t want to do that isn’t that they’re rushing Casher, but more that they think he’s a starter and not a reliever. Pushing him to the pen and we have the Samardzija situation all over again.

by Josh77 on Dec 31, 2009 5:04 PM CST up reply actions  

If he becomes the closer, leave him in the bullpen

And if Spellcheck doesn’t have a solid third pitch by mid-season in Des Moines, convert him back t a reliever, too. In today’s market closers have value equivalent to starters, anway.

by ClarkFan on Dec 31, 2009 6:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree on 2B

I’d have really liked Kelly Johnson, and would be really happy with Uggla, but I don’t know if the Marlins need to move him this season, or if they can afford to wait. Uggla would really make the lineup that much nicer, and it would also really improve the bench, and therefore, depth for 2010. Acquiring Uggla would likely make for a very nice offseason (depending on the price, of course).

I am still nervous about the back of the rotation, and I was really hoping that Hendry landed Capps because Grabow does not instill confidence, and while Marmol isn’t going to get shelled, he’s likely to pitch himself into trouble a ton. I think a gamble on Bedard / Sheets would be a good idea at the right price, but I don’t think picking up Tejada would really be beneficial.

I don’t hate the Byrd signing, it could certainly be much worse. But I echo DMC’s sentiment that it would really be nice to see the organization emphasize an actual philosophy, particularly one that didn’t involve investing in middling FAs to fill holes. FA should really be used to sign elite players and/or players that “put you over the hump”. While I think Hendry and the Cubs will get reasonable value out of Byrd, it is all to similar to the signings of recent years. Byrd and Grabow are certainly not moves to get excited about.

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by WittyUserName on Dec 31, 2009 4:26 PM CST reply actions  

Kelly Johnson

is a HACK. I know a die-hard Braves fan, and he never liked Johnson, and said 2009 was the real McCoy. Hudson had over 50 extra base hits last year, and is also considered a great presence in the clubhouse. If he’s still unsigned in 2 or 3 weeks, go grab him.

Scott Bora$ is satan.

by Canadian Cubs Fan on Dec 31, 2009 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

He's already signed, to a $2.3M, 1 year deal.

But make no mistake, 2009 wasn’t the “real” Kelly Johnson. It’s more likely the opposite is closer to the truth. He has pretty bad luck in 2009, which explains his poor season.

He’d be a perfect fit. Unfortunately, he’s off the market.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

well as

long as you had a friend who never liked Johnson then we totally should avoid signing him.

by CalCalender on Dec 31, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

TW... nah - too easy... ;-)

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Dec 31, 2009 6:01 PM CST up reply actions  

touché

not used to a stat guy having a sense of humor…

I keed, I keed… ;-)

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Dec 31, 2009 9:23 PM CST up reply actions  

but that 5 LAR

is based on his 6 BPHH (beers per happy hour) right?

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 31, 2009 9:26 PM CST up reply actions  

so 5 LAR = +/- $25/hr?

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 31, 2009 9:42 PM CST up reply actions  

something like that.

plus you have the cover charge (contract bonus)

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 9:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he meant

if Hudson is unsigned in a couple weeks…I wouldn’t mind that either although I think he is a bit overrated…

by airweino on Dec 31, 2009 5:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Umm

I’m a Braves fan, and I am here to tell you:

Kelly Johnson is a HACK. If you really enjoy watching middle infielders boot routine ground balls, Johnson’s your guy. Wanna watch someone strike out on four pitches with RISP and none out – can’t get a better guy for that than Johnson. Wanna watch that same guy K on three pitches instead? Make sure it’s RISP and two outs…

Everything, and I mean, everything terrible we say about Theriot here, we’d be saying about Theriot and Johnson.

No. Thank. You.

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by Clutch16 on Dec 31, 2009 6:20 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

well

he wasn’t a hack in 2007 or 08.

Look, Fontenot is better than Johnson. Same kind of bat, only Fontenot plays a really good 2B whereas Johnson does not. That doesnt mean that Arizona made a mistake giving the guy a shot.

by CalCalender on Dec 31, 2009 6:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Arizona is welcome to him

I hope they can turn him around, but I am not optimistic about that happening.

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"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Dec 31, 2009 6:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I think I'd still rather have Johnson on the roster.

Between the two, one of them (Johnson or Fontenot) should work out.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 7:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I would like Uggla

a lot, but the cost of prospects might be too high. That being said, I’d take Lopez over Hudson. Hudson’s wrist injuries concern me. And i think Johnson is a goner, so the rumored move for Spilbourghs interests me.

by MDavis on Dec 31, 2009 4:31 PM CST reply actions  

I agree with MDavis

On Uggla .. If price isn’t too high .. Just looking at Uggla’s stats … Approx 90 rbi’s per season the last three seasons along with 32 homeruns .. last year 282 BA . Would sure like to see his bat in the Cubs lineup . I know his glove isn’t the greatest , but IMO his bat would add more runs than he would give up in the field

by CUBFANINAZ on Dec 31, 2009 9:01 PM CST up reply actions  

We'd have to give up talented prospects...

…and pay the 8 million he’s likely to win in arbitration. Too steep.

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by carmen_fanzone on Jan 1, 2010 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Adam Dunn

Is this the time for the Cubs to see what it would take to get Dunn? It seems to me that the Cubs still seem to need some serious middle of the order power, and preferably from the left side. I’m sure that the Nats are more than willing to move Dunn, but what could the Cubs offer to make it happen?

I wouldn’t mind to see Fukudome included in that deal, but I think that would just complicate matters. However, if the Cubs were to keep Fukudome, he could be used as a platoon partner with Byrd and a defensive replacement for Dunn.

by jerry morales rules on Dec 31, 2009 4:32 PM CST reply actions  

The answer to your question is no.

I’d love to see the Mariners make a move for Dunn, but he’s projected to be -18 runs “above” average in RF over a full season. That’s a 2.3 win downgrade from Fukudome, washing out the advantage he has over Kosuke on offense.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

The Nationals are not more than happy to move Dunn

They like him. He is slotted as their starting 1st baseman right now.

by rlpete on Dec 31, 2009 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn't say that they didn't like him

I’m sure they do. However, the Nationals aren’t going anywhere next year and Dunn’s deal is over after that. I’m sure they’d be willing to move Dunn in order to get some young talent that could help them in the future.

by jerry morales rules on Dec 31, 2009 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I know what you are saying but

the Nationals got killed locally for not even trying to be competitive last season. Of course, they would listen to a deal but it won’t go over well to trade one of their best players for some prospects. They’ll also get two draft picks if he does leave so whatever is offered would have to be good.

I’m not saying that it couldn’t happen but it would be difficult unless the Cubs overpay.

by rlpete on Dec 31, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

And they have a competent GM now with Bowden gone

One of Rizzo’s first moves was acquiring Morgan from the Pirates.

by rlpete on Dec 31, 2009 4:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

Morgan would have been a very nice fit for the Cubs in CF.

by CalCalender on Dec 31, 2009 4:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I am not saying the Nats win the East

however they did try to do something this offseason, signed Capps, Marquis, and Pudge. That is why they would not move Dunn unless they get a really good return.

by Grockcubs on Dec 31, 2009 5:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah I've liked their offseason thus far.

If they’re really smart, they’ll trade Dunn to an AL team, where his value will be maximized.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 7:07 PM CST up reply actions  

No...

that was LAST off-season…

by airweino on Dec 31, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions  

i hate Felipe Lopez

and I would prefer the Cubs to leave 2B as is. One of Baker/Fontenot will perform.

by CalCalender on Dec 31, 2009 4:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree.

Again, simply throwing money at a free agent, even the “costs less” one, just because he’s there, is sometimes counterproductive.

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by Al Yellon on Dec 31, 2009 5:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Our of curiosity...

where would you spend the Cubs remaining $$$ this year?

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 5:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Getting Robert DiNiro

to play Lou Piniella in the movie of the Cubs miraculous 2010 World Series Championship.

by Josh77 on Dec 31, 2009 5:13 PM CST up reply actions  

You want DeNiro?

I’m thinking Joe Pesci.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 31, 2009 5:19 PM CST up reply actions  

if short is ok

why not Danny DeVito?

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 31, 2009 5:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Or, speaking of Italian actors...

… how about Al Pacino? We could bulk him up a bit.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 31, 2009 6:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Pacino or DeNiro as mgr would be great

for post game interviews

“you talk to me, you double guessing me (whack)”

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 31, 2009 7:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes!

DiNiro could repeat his famous speech about Baseball from “The Untouchables.” Any guesses as to who would end up on the other side of Piniella’s bat?

by Josh77 on Dec 31, 2009 10:25 PM CST up reply actions  

on a CubbieTim statue

/sarcasm

Honestly, I sit on it til mid season and then see what additions can be made. Gives JH some flexability for an injury replacement as well as a trade to upgrade if one is available

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 31, 2009 5:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd like that...

and the market is still flooded with them, so you should be able to sign one at a bargain price.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 5:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

I’m not sold on our rotation at this point, and it’s a shopworn axiom, but still true:

You can never have enough pitching.

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by Goodie1969 on Dec 31, 2009 5:19 PM CST up reply actions  

agree

pitching, starting pitching. See if Sheets hangs out there, I would sign him to incentive laded deal. With Lilly hurt, I think the Cubs would be wise to get a starter. Silva, Shark, Gorzo and Marshall make up our 4-5, and Wells as our 3. Do we know what he will do after the league has an idea about him?

by Grockcubs on Dec 31, 2009 5:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed as well

I’d love Sheets on a incentive-laden deal…

by airweino on Dec 31, 2009 5:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Seems like Sheets needs a serious reality check, though

He’s supposedly looking for around $12 million for 2010. I’d be surprised if anyone did even half of that on a guarantee.

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by davidalanu on Jan 1, 2010 6:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep

That’s where I’d go.

"We’re going to come back here next year healthy and do what we’re supposed to do, and we’re going to be all right. That’s not Hendry’s fault. He thought it was the right move. It didn’t work out. But at the same time, he’s the same guy that put back-to-back championship teams together." - Aramis Ramirez

by DGU on Dec 31, 2009 10:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I think I'd save it for a midseason acquisition.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 31, 2009 5:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Hah! I figured you'd say that...

and I almost suggested it. ;-)

My contention is you spend a little more now, in hopes that your team contends. If it does, then you go ask for a little more money from Daddy Ricketts.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 5:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Spend for the sake of spending?

On what?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 31, 2009 5:24 PM CST up reply actions  

SP

As someone noted elsewhere… if the market continues to fall, would Sheets or Bedard take a 1 year $4M base with another $4-6M of incentives?

Wouldn’t that be worth a shot? If they make the incentives, the team is likely doing very well and extra revenue covers the cost.

by fsuapollo on Dec 31, 2009 5:31 PM CST up reply actions  

i would not mind seeing a trade at midseason with Seattle

for Cliff Lee

now will he be available, and if so at what cost, i do not know, but it could be a real possibility

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 31, 2009 5:42 PM CST up reply actions  

That is a fine dream and I endorse it heartily

but it ain’t going to happen. If you can trade for Lee in mid-season, you will get the Seattle GM’s head on a platter as a throw-in on the deal.

by ClarkFan on Dec 31, 2009 5:45 PM CST up reply actions  

cant say never gonna happen

since one never knows what the midseason brings, and what is or isnt offered. if Seattle is going nowhere fast, and got a good offer, their GM woujld be dumb to not listen to it and atleast consider it

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 31, 2009 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Or Brandon Webb

Arizona is less likely to be a contender so he has a better shot to be traded.

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by Zy Toro Young on Jan 1, 2010 1:15 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

same idea

save the $$$ and lets make a move midseason to shore things up

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 1, 2010 2:09 AM CST up reply actions  

The stuff I put above.

I agree that it’s best to use home-grown talent. But a lot of our options (such as Fontenot and Marmol) are far from sure things, and their downside is pretty low. I’d like to see the team spend a few $$$ on a player that has the same upside as Fontenot. Why would I do this when we already have a player like that on the roster? Simply put, because if you flip a coin twice you’re more likely to end up with “tails” at least once.

In other words, It’s more likely that /either/ Fontenot /or/ Lopez pans out than it is Fontenot pans out.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 7:09 PM CST up reply actions  

stregnth in numbers

its less likely for two to fail than one to fail

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 31, 2009 7:19 PM CST up reply actions  

me too

just wait until midseason- that or give Wilken another 3 mill to sign draftee’s

by CalCalender on Dec 31, 2009 5:25 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

+3M to sign draftees...

would be a good option.

It would have been better if we had offered Harden arb. Oh, well…

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 7:10 PM CST up reply actions  

this is the correct answer

go significantly above slot for some reaches in later rounds and hope they sign

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

by fischisgod on Dec 31, 2009 9:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, they still need a 4th OF

Reed Johnson or someone with a similar profile to serve as platoon for Fukudome and/or injury replacement. The exception to that would be if Colvin or another young player is ready, but that part-time role is not really well suited to a new player trying to get a base of ML experience. I think Fuld is probably still a 5th outfielder – useful and he probably sees significant playing time, but there needs to be someone ahead of him in the rotation.

by ClarkFan on Dec 31, 2009 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Perhaps Fuld becomes the primary 4th OF

with Baker able to fill in on the corners, as well. That would allow them to maybe do something else with some of the innings at 2B (or even better, Fontenot be productive and earn the time).

by fsuapollo on Dec 31, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not sure you haven't committed more than 100% of Baker

Platoon at 2nd, back up 3rd, back up 1st (?), semi-regular outfield fill-in. Then Fuld is the platoon for Fukudome and backs up in both CF and LF. It really looks to me like the Cubs need one more reliable OF. It does make sense to let the 4th/5th pecking order be determined in spring training. But I don’t think it makes sense for Colvin to fill one of those roles, unless he is the rare young player who can keep his hitting stroke with sporadic playing time.

by ClarkFan on Dec 31, 2009 6:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Disagree on Baker's time.

If Rami is healthy, he’s playing 145+ games. So that would be 17 starts at 3B for Baker.

If Fukudome plays against the RHP, let’s call that 120 starts (roughly 3/4 time). So that would be 42 starts in RF for Baker (or a few for Fuld or even a small sample, like 5-8, for Hoff if he is a bench guy).

If Baker and Fontenot did a “straight” platoon at 2B (predicated on Fontenot being more effective, of course) that would be 81 starts.

That’s a total of 140… which essentially makes Baker a full-time player.

I’m not totally opposed to another OF (Reed on the cheap, Spillbourghs from COL has been mentioned), but I’m not sure it is totally necessary.

by fsuapollo on Dec 31, 2009 6:27 PM CST up reply actions  

My sketch on playing time is a little different

I think a number somewhere around 130 may be more likely for Ramirez, and I am hoping that Soriano can get to that number. Byrd will probably need 20 or more games off, too, (and I suspect 140-145 is all you want to push Lee for.

by ClarkFan on Dec 31, 2009 7:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll bet you a dollar

that the backup OF is Hoffpauir.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2009 8:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I disagree

Lopez improves the offense at second tremendously and his defense isn’t too bad. Hudson is a plus plus plus defender and a much better bat than either Baker or Fontenot. The Cubs are not getting to the World Series or winning it if Jeff Baker and Mike Fontenot are platooning at second base.

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by lexmarklover on Dec 31, 2009 6:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually Lex

Orlando Hudson USED to be really great at 2B. The last 3 years he has been slightly below average. Fontenot on the other hand can really pick it at 2B.

by CalCalender on Dec 31, 2009 6:29 PM CST up reply actions  

How about Blanco at SS and Baker at 2B?

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by Clutch16 on Dec 31, 2009 6:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Blanco

You can’t have a team give Andres Blanco starting AB’s even if he is fun to watch with the glove.

Honestly guys, the way the MI is right now is as good of a combo as we are going to have until Starlin Castro is ready.

by CalCalender on Dec 31, 2009 6:37 PM CST up reply actions  

But what a nice glove it is!

Anyway, yeah – I’m not huge on the guy’s bat. Maybe some time with Jaramillo can straighten that out.

I’m not even drinking yet. That needs to change, obviously.

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"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Dec 31, 2009 6:39 PM CST up reply actions  

lol

Not even Rudy can give Andres help. But hell yeah, he was a fun guy to watch on defense. Some of the sickest picks I have seen were from him last year at 2B.

by CalCalender on Dec 31, 2009 6:40 PM CST up reply actions  

You had plenty of time.

Me, unfortunately, I was stuck at work….

Bound for New York City: January 6-9! Can't wait!

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 1, 2010 12:04 AM CST up reply actions  

I like that

except i’m not a big fan of Baker.

COOL BEANS!

by lexmarklover on Dec 31, 2009 6:38 PM CST up reply actions  

me either

last years hot run does not seem sustainable at all. But I don’t think Fontenot is as bad as he played last year and one of those two guys will probably turn in a league average season.

by CalCalender on Dec 31, 2009 6:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Fontenot proved that he's not an everyday starter

I don’t think Lou will be eager to retry that experiment

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"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Dec 31, 2009 6:41 PM CST up reply actions  

First

we moved the guy around alot last year.

2nd, he was unlucky, his BABIP was .285 which is much lower than any other season from him. You can expect that BA to rise and his power stayed around the same.

Finally, with Baker Lou can sit Mike during a slump or vs tough LHP. If handled correctly Fontenot should provide good value and great defense.

by CalCalender on Dec 31, 2009 6:43 PM CST up reply actions  

this is so crazy that it might work ... jk

but honestly Hendry is known to show his love for Khalil Greene. He definitely has the potential to be a pretty good SS. He strikes out way too much but i think he can produce (2007). Maybe the Cubs take a risk in signing him to let Rudy work with him. He’s a great defensive player.

COOL BEANS!

by lexmarklover on Dec 31, 2009 6:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Greene

might be done with baseball. He had alot of mental issues last year in StL. I read several reports stating he wanted to retire.

by CalCalender on Dec 31, 2009 6:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I hope he is able to get the help he needs.

Regardless, a big market team like the Cubs would not be the best fit for a player with anxiety issues.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Dec 31, 2009 10:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Orlando

like Hudson is no longer the defensive force he used to be. He has declining defense, a weak bat and clubhouse issues. Pass.

by CalCalender on Dec 31, 2009 6:36 PM CST up reply actions  

He's not *that* bad defensively...

and his bat more than makes up for it. He’s probably above-average, and a 2-2.5 win player. And he’s much more of a sure thing than Fontenot/Baker.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 7:14 PM CST up reply actions  

more on the O-dog's D.

He’s averaged around -3 RAR at 2B over the last 3 years. That’s also what his age-adjusted UZR projections have him posting in 2010. He’s projected to be ~+6 RAR with the bat. And he’s a switch hitter than can play at the top of the lineup. He seems to fit well, and to have a lower “floor” than Fontenot/Baker.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 7:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think

there is a reliably better chance that Hudson outperforms the guys we already have.

And we wont win or lose the WS based on whoever ends up at 2B.

by CalCalender on Dec 31, 2009 6:36 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Here's my problem with Fontenot/Baker.

You have two players whose ceilings are both “platoon players” and Fontenot was horrible last year, even against RHP. He’s projected to not be good at the plate, and even if you apply splits to those projections it doesn’t look good. I’d be OK if the situation were reversed (Fontenot as the righty and Baker as the lefty) but as-is the more sure thing is going to only get 25% of the ABs.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 7:15 PM CST up reply actions  

That's where Baker's ability to play multiple positions

comes in handy. That’s how the Cubs used DeRosa to some degree. They’d move him to another position when Fontenot played 2nd and sit whomever DeRo was filling in for (due to injury or just a day off.)

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Dec 31, 2009 10:30 PM CST up reply actions  

That may be a place where the team needs to see what opens up after the season starts

The current FA options are pretty meh – really too expensive for what they have left in the tank. But if a team realizes as the season passes that their aspirations were misplaced, better options may become available.

by ClarkFan on Jan 1, 2010 12:23 AM CST up reply actions  

How about Uggla ?

The more i look at his hitting stats the more I like him in the lineup .. IMO 280 something batting average , 30 to 34 homeruns , 90 to 95 RBI ’s ,

by CUBFANINAZ on Dec 31, 2009 9:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I like Uggla...

but the more I think about it, I want Orlando Hudson. Good clubhouse guy, he can hit at the top of the order, he’s a switch hitter, and it gives the Cubs LOTS of flexibility off the bench.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 9:14 PM CST up reply actions  

you gotta a good point

I also agree good post Shawn .. just with Hudson’s bad second half ..Not sure I like him that much . I keep thinking of Uggla’s bat . IMO think the Cubs could shoot to 89 -90 wins with Uggla’s bat

by CUBFANINAZ on Dec 31, 2009 9:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Here's the big problem with Uggla:

Theriot®
Byrd®
Lee®
Ramirez®
Soriano®
Uggla®
Soto®
Fukudome (L)

That’s way too unbalanced.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 9:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Was reading

On MLB.com on Byrd signing .. Rudy the Cubs hitting instructor claims the Right handed batting is way over hyped . Per Rudy on todays MLB.com article

by CUBFANINAZ on Dec 31, 2009 9:24 PM CST up reply actions  

It would certainly work...

and as you point out, Rudy has a good track record of reducing hitters’ platoon splits. That bodes well for Baker/Fontenot.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 9:26 PM CST up reply actions  

With Hudson

The Cubs would have their leadoff hitter they need .. Still I like Uggla’s bat . 90 to 95 RBI’s …

by CUBFANINAZ on Dec 31, 2009 9:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Uggla would be a better fit...

if the Cubs already had a lefty bat in CF.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 9:23 PM CST up reply actions  

As already stated...

the BIG problem with Uggla is arbitration – he earned $5m in 2009 and will get more in 2010…too expensive…

by airweino on Jan 2, 2010 12:03 AM CST up reply actions  

2009 took a lot of the life out of me.

I’m a lot less emotional about this team going forward, and I’d like to think they’ll be slightly better than last year, but I’m content to watch the moves play out some before I get too invested.

I’m actually excited to see the emerging crop of youngsters continue their climb through the minors almost more than I’m looking forward to the MLB club at this point. Given the current state of the economy, I’m probably more likely to go watch some of our farmhands in action than the big league club anyway, and I suspect I’ll have a lot of company.

Also: Good post, Shawn.

"I have the time and hatred but not the knowledge." ~Madison Cub Fan (Aug. 25, 2009)

by Goodie1969 on Dec 31, 2009 5:14 PM CST reply actions  

thanks! And my expectations are low, too....

for now. Let’s see what Hendry does with the rest of the offseason.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 5:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes Shawn

good post. To much freaking negativity that roams the board on occasion. Lets see how early 2010 turns out, maybe Lopez, maybe a starter who knows. I don’t think Hendry is done.

by Grockcubs on Dec 31, 2009 5:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I's be happy with Lopez

He’s underrated and could probably come cheap.

"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver

by wrigleyrocker12 on Dec 31, 2009 5:27 PM CST reply actions  

Actually, I think Lopez is overrated...

… and some reports indicate he’s not a great clubhouse guy. Been there, done that.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 31, 2009 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I've heard

the clubhouse stuff as well. Plus he has a running feud with Ted Lilly.

by CalCalender on Dec 31, 2009 6:28 PM CST up reply actions  

you know what they say about keeping enemies closer

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 31, 2009 6:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Ted

would eat Lopez and steal his wife. Between innings.

by CalCalender on Dec 31, 2009 6:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed & rec'd.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 31, 2009 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

agreed.

add the fact that Miles and Patton will not be on your opening day 25 man roster, you are likely to have improved production from those spots. (A 23 man roster would be an improvement)

My wish continues to be for change at SS. Our middle infield defense has been mediocre forever. It just seems like Hendry and Lou don’t make this a priority. We have pitchers who can induce grounders, but a crappy middle infield to fetch ‘em. It’s like Cub management thinks we still have the slow infield with 6" grass. Wrigley has a fast infield now and we don’t have a defense to play to the current conditions.

I think the starting and relief pitching can be improved in house. I say we have one major need left to plug:

PLEASE ADDRESS THE MIDDLE INFIELD JIM!

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by LAcarl519 on Dec 31, 2009 6:48 PM CST up reply actions  

make it green

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 31, 2009 6:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Sure

One exception would be if the Cubs got a player like Bedard or Sheets and he stayed healthy and productive. There are multiple ifs there, but a lot of upside.

"We’re going to come back here next year healthy and do what we’re supposed to do, and we’re going to be all right. That’s not Hendry’s fault. He thought it was the right move. It didn’t work out. But at the same time, he’s the same guy that put back-to-back championship teams together." - Aramis Ramirez

by DGU on Dec 31, 2009 10:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Right, but its been poor, ugly window dressing so far

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Dec 31, 2009 11:11 PM CST up reply actions  

This is the extend of the Cubs major moves

ITYM “extent”. HTH.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Dec 31, 2009 6:13 PM CST reply actions  

Good post Shawn.

I’m of the mind that we definitely need another OF pick up. I wouldn’t mind Reed Johnson back, but there may be better options.

I also would love to take a risk on Ben Sheets or Bedard, as I suspect that their asking price has to come down given the market. We’ll see I guess. But either would be a great pickup with high pay-off potential. (I’d prefer Sheets I think)

At this point, I still don’t see us contending unfortunately, but there’s still time to add some pieces and of course we may have some rebound performances next year.

Oh, and lastly I did get a lil chuckly out of this:

Fox will get a lot less playing time with the acquisition of Byrd and trading of Bradley

I imagine you’re correct and Fox will have trouble getting playing time with the Cubs…unless we can get some sort of special arrangement with Billy Beane. :)

by CubsWin!Oregon on Dec 31, 2009 6:49 PM CST reply actions  

if Hendry

can land Ryan Spillbroughs that would make a decent OF.

by CalCalender on Dec 31, 2009 6:50 PM CST up reply actions  

But then we all have to learn his name

Or cop out and call him something like “Spilly”. shudder

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Dec 31, 2009 6:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I prefer "Borgh."

You will be assimilated.

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by Goodie1969 on Dec 31, 2009 7:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Wrong.

We are the Borgh. Lower your gloves and surrender your bats. We will beat you in our ballpark and yours.

Resistance is futile.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 1, 2010 12:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Why 3 years?

Is/was this Byrd’s market value? Or was this another case of JH bidding against himself again? It’s a solid signing, but the length wasn’t necessary based on his age.

"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - Dexter season 4....I mean Lovie season 6.

by propheteer on Dec 31, 2009 6:56 PM CST reply actions  

no one knows why

maybe Byrd wanted $15m range and JH said ONLY if you accept 3, i cannot do that over 2
maybe the third is an option
maybe other teams were bidding and it took a third to sign him

none of us know why, and only in time will we have a better idea about why.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 31, 2009 6:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I think if there's a *single* reason it's this:

Hendry wanted to only spend $3M or so this season so he’d have room to make another room, and so much money is coming off the books the next few years. If he’s only spending $3M next year he was going to have to pay more than $5M down the line. Maybe he could have gotten $3M/$8M or something but I doubt it.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 7:24 PM CST up reply actions  

That makes good sense

Payroll is limited this year, and the Cubs can afford a higher salary the next two years.

"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - Dexter season 4....I mean Lovie season 6.

by propheteer on Jan 1, 2010 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Hendry seems to have a love affair with Luis Castillo

I think he ends up with the Cubs all said and done. The Mets need to shed off payroll after the signing of Bay.
Fukudome, Castillo, Lee, Ramirez, Soriano, Byrd, Soto, Theriot, pitcher …. not bad

COOL BEANS!

by lexmarklover on Dec 31, 2009 6:57 PM CST reply actions  

What?

Where did you come up with that? I’ve never seen the Cubs linked to Castillo other than maybe a way to unload Bradley. The Cubs won’t be getting Castillo unless the Mets are sending lots of money.

by rlpete on Dec 31, 2009 11:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Doesn't matter

If Holliday signs with the Cards, we’re screwed.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Dec 31, 2009 7:06 PM CST reply actions  

But not if...

BLou says we’re not screwed. If that happens, we might start drinking turpentine.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Dec 31, 2009 7:08 PM CST up reply actions  

if they sign Holliday

and then cannot afford to pay Pujols and lose him, then its a great move IMHO. I would rather see Holiday for the next 8 years instead of Pujols

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 31, 2009 7:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Me too.

But I think they can probably afford both. We’ll see… If they don’t sign Pujols I know who the Cubs should dedicate Lee’s and Ramirez’s money to.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 7:24 PM CST up reply actions  

doesnt really matter. If they pay both of them that will be somewhere around

48 million committed to two players. Thats insane. I am assuming that Pujols will get about 30 million a year. I actually kind of want to see him get to free agency. 10yr/300 million?

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

by fischisgod on Dec 31, 2009 9:30 PM CST up reply actions  

that would be crazy.

but i could see it happen. maybe 12/300M?

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 9:38 PM CST up reply actions  

no one player

can make that difference. Holliday will still actually have to PLAY. What if Pujols gets injured? What if Soriano returns to 2007-2008 performance? In the end, you have to play the games.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2009 8:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind seeing Rick Ankiel in a deal.

A poster at BCB (Suburban Kid) suggested looking at Ankiel as a 4th OF. With his solid D, good left-handed bat and high upside I think that would be an excellent move, assuming he doesn’t cost much most than a couple million.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 7:32 PM CST reply actions  

I think he'd cost too much.

For that kind of price, I’d rather have Reed Johnson.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 31, 2009 8:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Five worst deals of the MLB offseason:

#3. The Cubs trade Milton Bradley for Carlos Silva.
GM Jim Hendry fouled up this one from the moment of conception. It’s unwise to sign a player like Bradley — mercurial, complicated, in need of care and feeding — if you’re going to subject him to suffocating media coverage and a fan base that’s increasingly hostile. It’s just a poor fit, and any sensible operator should be able to foresee the troubles ahead. Suffice it to say, Hendry was unable to do that.
The best (i.e., least damaging) thing would’ve been to release Bradley, absorb his remaining contract and thereby treat him as a sunk cost. Instead, Hendry flipped him for a pitcher — Carlos Silva — who’s demonstrably and significantly worse than Bradley and, like Bradley (but less famously and less often), something of a problem child. On a pure numbers level, Hendry swapped a right fielder with a .378 OBP in his down year of 2009 for a starting pitcher who has one season in the last four that can’t be described as awful.
Of course, Hendry could’ve released Bradley and given him $50 million in gold bullion, and Bradley still would have been less damaging to the Cubs’ hopes than Alfonso Soriano, who’ll be around for another five years and another $90 million

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/five-worst-deals-of-mlb-offseason

by Andronicus on Dec 31, 2009 8:02 PM CST reply actions  

this writer needs a course in economics...

Besides MB v Silva, the Cubs also got $6 million.

To get rid of this clubhouse cancer was important and Hendry did the best he could given the original sin Jimbo committed. There is probably a 25% or less chance that Silva pans out in some role with the Cubs, but I believe Bradley had 0% chance of helping the Cubs and a 100% that he would destroy the team’s chemistry. So to get $6 million on top of these odds seems worth it to me.

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by LAcarl519 on Dec 31, 2009 8:16 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

LOL.

That’s hilariously bad logic. Releasing Bradley and paying his entire contract is better than trading him for a player with a lesser salary? Even if Silva is the worst player in the history of all sports and athletics, that’s still a good deal. Just cut the worse player and you’re eating less salary.

Stupid.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 8:21 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Silva

Do you really think this organization is smart enough to just dump Silva and eat the contract? I have no confidence the Cubs will open the season without Silva on the roster. And the way Lou loves veteran, he’s going to get the chance to blow some of that $6 million he “saved us.”

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by jameslcrockett on Dec 31, 2009 11:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll take Hendry's word on it:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-19-cubs-carlos-silva-dec19,0,4614263.story

None of that praise followed him out of Seattle nor welcomed him to Chicago, where GM Jim Hendry said “hopefully he can (win) a spot on the team in some way.”

It doesn’t sound like Hendry’s set on giving him a spot on the team. My guess is he’ll start the season in the rotation if Lilly is on the bench, and then move to the bullpen when Lilly returns. This is one of the reasons pursuing a SP is a good idea. It moves him out of the rotation altogether (and likely makes Gorzelanny the “6 starter”).

by shawndgoldman on Jan 1, 2010 10:06 AM CST up reply actions  

No kidding

Silva is just one large bit of window dressing that saved the Cubs six million. If he does not totally suck and can make the roster fine but otherwise have a nice trip home and thanks for the money. Really, Really stupid “logic”.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Jan 1, 2010 12:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Thats pretty astute to me

and a great summation of why this man should be fired

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Dec 31, 2009 11:13 PM CST up reply actions  

If you think that's astute...

… then you should re-read the deal between the Cubs and the Mariners. Worst-case scenario, the Cubs saved money on this deal.

by shawndgoldman on Jan 1, 2010 10:07 AM CST up reply actions  

And, used some of that money to sign Marlon Byrd.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jan 1, 2010 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Great, we got an over 30 year old OF coming off a career year

in a hitters paradise signed to a three year deal, no MB comparison intended at all, this just wont end well.

Every move he’s made recently has been to cover up one of his previous F ups, we need to cut bait and start over with a fresh perspective on the organization

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jan 1, 2010 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Let's say we had done what you wanted -

cut bait at the end of 2009. What would the new GM have been doing? The same thing – moving Bradley, finding a CF, trading one of Miles/Baker. Bringing in a new GM fresh in the Fall isn’t the best time to do it. He doesn’t have enough time to get to know his own squad.

It’s time to move past 2009 and focus on what’s coming together for 2010 and beyond.

"We’re going to come back here next year healthy and do what we’re supposed to do, and we’re going to be all right. That’s not Hendry’s fault. He thought it was the right move. It didn’t work out. But at the same time, he’s the same guy that put back-to-back championship teams together." - Aramis Ramirez

by DGU on Jan 1, 2010 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

an intelligent GM

…wouldn’t have signed a mediocre, low-upside CF to a 3-year contract, while bidding against himself. He then creatively backloaded the deal so he can waste even more of the next GMs money.

I don’t know much about Tom Ricketts, but if he wanted my respect, the first thing he would have done is fire Jim Hendry for going to the winter meetings and getting absolutely nothing done. He didn’t sign or trade for anybody to improve the team and didn’t get rid of Milton Bradley until it was too late.

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by jameslcrockett on Jan 1, 2010 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

That's so wrong I don't even know where to begin.

Fire someone for “doing nothing” at the winter meetings? Then maybe 2/3 of major league GM’s should have been fired after the meetings, because they didn’t do anything, either.

What does “too late” mean in terms of getting rid of Bradley? He got someone to take him, got a player who has not been good the last two years but MIGHT come back, and saved $6 million. If I’m Tom Ricketts, I buy him dinner for doing that.

Man, are you bitter.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jan 1, 2010 5:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe it's the

crappy weather we’ve had. Just guessing.

OK I don't know shit about basketball.

by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST

by sue369 on Jan 1, 2010 5:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

That’s just wrong at every level.

Marlon Byrd was the best CF fit on the free agent market for the Cubs – and we’re paying him the same amount for three years that Mike Cameron is being paid for two.

"We’re going to come back here next year healthy and do what we’re supposed to do, and we’re going to be all right. That’s not Hendry’s fault. He thought it was the right move. It didn’t work out. But at the same time, he’s the same guy that put back-to-back championship teams together." - Aramis Ramirez

by DGU on Jan 1, 2010 6:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Whats the cut off then?

What does Hendry have to do before he’s held accountable? Can you perpetually say ‘oh, nows not a good time to change managment’

no of course not, but the way Hendry is half stepping, and whether its being guided by Ricketts or not, we cant say, but there is a core in tact, a core which is only viable for another 2 years or so, and Hendrys half assed moves to cover up his previous mistakes arent moving the organization forward towards a title and theyre not laying the ground work for the next generation, so to speak.

theyre half stepping, medicore go nowhere moves. And yes, it was a minor miracle he was able to save any money on the Bradley trade, I’ll give him that much. But if his moves over the past 24 months are screaming for his job, then i dont know how much longer you wait. Better to get a new GM and let him examine things for a year then act, a new GM couldve simply reupped with Johnson for a year or two, rather than committing three to a player whos sure to disappoint.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jan 1, 2010 6:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Hendry has clearly been given one more year to clean up this mess...

… and get the team back to the playoffs.

For all those of you who would have fired him “during the winter meetings”, or for the Bradley trade, or for signing Byrd, man, I would hate to work for you.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jan 1, 2010 6:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Well Hendry isnt running a Taco Bell

Hes at the helm of one of the biggest teams in all of sports, so our expectations, and the guys employing him, should be higher, no?

I just think the writings on the wall, so better to hire someone new and let him feel out the roster for a year and make his own moves in 2011 and hope the team can stay in it through 2010

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jan 1, 2010 6:17 PM CST up reply actions  

But that's not what Ricketts said he would do.

You expect him to say one thing and two months later do another?

Like I said, I’d hate to work for you — instead of being held accountable, I’d be constantly on edge, thinking every move I make would cost me my job.

If things don’t improve in 2010, I’m sure Hendry will be gone. Until then, he deserves a chance to clean up his mess.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jan 1, 2010 6:20 PM CST up reply actions  

rec'd

too many want his head, and forget that in life we too make bad decisions or choices that in hindsight we should not have but we expect a chance to fix out mistakes, so why should we not give JH the same respect

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 1, 2010 6:35 PM CST up reply actions  

There are two separate arguments here -

1) argument one is that it’s better to change GMs after the in-season trade deadline before the end of the season. That gives the new GM time to learn his new roster and system before looking at new player acquisitions.
2) argument two deals specifically with Jim Hendry – you talk about 24 months, which is odd – you want to fire him for averaging 90+ wins over the past two seasons? If you want to talk accountability, then wins is apparently not what you use as a guide.

"We’re going to come back here next year healthy and do what we’re supposed to do, and we’re going to be all right. That’s not Hendry’s fault. He thought it was the right move. It didn’t work out. But at the same time, he’s the same guy that put back-to-back championship teams together." - Aramis Ramirez

by DGU on Jan 1, 2010 6:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Right.

In general, unless a GM makes huge, egregious mistakes, he is not going to be fired during the season.

Now, granted, Hendry did make some huge mistakes. His boss is giving him a chance to fix them. I don’t have a problem with that.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jan 1, 2010 6:58 PM CST up reply actions  

this is what i get for skimming

now i see Josh posted the same thing above… argh

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 31, 2009 8:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with all that.

I also don’t think Hendry is done.

It’s no love-fest. I would categorize the series of moves that I posted (trading Fox, Miles, and Bradley for Silva and prospects + signing Byrd) can be summed up as follows:

The Cubs got rid of Bradley without making the team any worse and without increasing payroll. That’s a significant achievement given Bradley’s value (and contract) heading into the offseason.

But make no mistake, the Cubs need to more than that. They haven’t upgraded the talent on the roster yet. All they’ve done is maintained the talent while improving the atmosphere. That’s a small win. Now they need to improve the talent on the roster. I hope that happens with the signing of a starting pitcher.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 8:44 PM CST up reply actions  

they've maintained talent

while committing more resources

this is the issue, we continue to outlay more resources and not get any better. That’s a problem

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 31, 2009 8:49 PM CST up reply actions  

How have they committed more resources?

The salaries are roughly where they were at before the offseason started, and they haven’t used up any extra slots on the 40-man roster.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 8:50 PM CST up reply actions  

further committments

for 2011

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 31, 2009 8:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Oops, I forgot Grabow's deal...

which I’m against. That’s always been Hendry’s biggest weakness, though… and it’s not the end of the world.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 8:54 PM CST up reply actions  

repeating the same mistakes over and over again

is not small peanuts, its a legitimate problem

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 31, 2009 8:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree Hendry has a "middle reliever addiction issue"

and that it hurts the team. But it’s far outweighed by his strengths as a GM.

You keep acting like the offseason is over. It’s not. Sure, Hendry only has $3-6M left to spend, but in this market he could score a 2-3 win player in that salary range.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 8:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Here's the question -

does signing middle relievers like Howry, Eyre, and Grabow – relievers their managers are comfortable with – help save your prospects from getting jerked around? There’s some value to that.

"We’re going to come back here next year healthy and do what we’re supposed to do, and we’re going to be all right. That’s not Hendry’s fault. He thought it was the right move. It didn’t work out. But at the same time, he’s the same guy that put back-to-back championship teams together." - Aramis Ramirez

by DGU on Dec 31, 2009 10:58 PM CST up reply actions  

a lot of success stories on prospects

have come from those that have worked the prospects in through the pen

happy new year everyone

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 31, 2009 11:03 PM CST up reply actions  

On the other hand -

had that work out with Shark last year?

Happy new year!

"We’re going to come back here next year healthy and do what we’re supposed to do, and we’re going to be all right. That’s not Hendry’s fault. He thought it was the right move. It didn’t work out. But at the same time, he’s the same guy that put back-to-back championship teams together." - Aramis Ramirez

by DGU on Dec 31, 2009 11:27 PM CST up reply actions  

ok

in ’08, not as well in ’09

i’m not really a fan of anecdotal evidence and hypotheticals to make arguments

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 31, 2009 11:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, that's true, but...

… it had to be done. Mistakes were made. Some GM’s wouldn’t admit it, and stonewall their team into last place.

At least Hendry admitted the mistakes and has attempted to fix them.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 31, 2009 8:46 PM CST up reply actions  

It's nice that he's

a standup guy, but how many seasons does he get to correct the previous year’s mistakes?

Every year it seems he is making moves primarily to correct his errors of either ommission or commission in the past.

Everything we hear about Hendry is that he a really ncie guy to deal with. But couldn’t we hire a GM who doesn’t make colossal mistakes every season and have GM work in the PR department?

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Dec 31, 2009 8:51 PM CST up reply actions  

That's what he should be doing.

Every GM should look at the roster they’ve constructed and ask themselves: “What is missing here?” and then go out and try to get that.

Hendry is probably the best GM the Cubs have had in a long, long, long time. Dumping him would be a mistake. But that’s a debate for another day/thread.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 8:52 PM CST up reply actions  

woah woah woah

here’s where i disagree

the GM should have a long-term plan, the plan should not be to try to react to what happened the previous year and target FA’s in those spots. This is why we never land a legitimate game-changer in FA, because instead of planning to keep resources and roster spots open for those types of names we’re just dedicating to the best guy available that year (even if he’s the worst guy available at that position in a 3 year span)

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 31, 2009 8:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Soriano

is my perfect example, he wasn’t an ELITE player. He was the best player in a FA class

he wasn’t a game-changer. He was an above average player coming off of an elite year.

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 31, 2009 8:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Without Soriano...

the Cubs probably don’t make the playoffs in 2007 or 2008.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 8:58 PM CST up reply actions  

2007 yes

2008.. no

we made the playoffs by 8.5 games, Soriano was a 3.1 WAR player

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 31, 2009 9:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Does Ted Lilly choose the Cubs

if we don’t sign Soriano? Do we instead end up with Gil Meche?

"We’re going to come back here next year healthy and do what we’re supposed to do, and we’re going to be all right. That’s not Hendry’s fault. He thought it was the right move. It didn’t work out. But at the same time, he’s the same guy that put back-to-back championship teams together." - Aramis Ramirez

by DGU on Dec 31, 2009 11:02 PM CST up reply actions  

you love these

crazy hypotheticals…

what is the benefit of trying to evaluate this question?

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 31, 2009 11:04 PM CST up reply actions  

You're really confusing me...

you complain about the mid-tier signings, and the one top-tier signing the cubs have made you’re against because… he wasn’t en elite player? What?!?! He was a 5+ win player in his contract year and totalled 8 wins in his first two seasons with the Cubs. Sure, he’s going to be a burden later in his contract… but that’s what happens when you sign elite free agents! If they get to the FA stage, they’re at the end of their prime and you’re going to end up signing them to a long-term deal that overpays them at the end of it.

You can’t have it both ways: either say the Cubs should sign big-name FA’s or they shouldn’t. But don’t complain about them not doing it and then also complain about the one big-name guy they did sign.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 9:02 PM CST up reply actions  

To use an example from this year...

Matt Holliday is going to be one of the better corner OF’s on the FA market for a few years. The best offer on the table right now is 5 years, $80M. Since contracts are almost always backloaded to some degree and even more so in down economic years, you’re likely paying him in the $20M/year range by the end of his contract. There’s a good chance the end of that contract is going to sting when Holliday is up there in age.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 9:05 PM CST up reply actions  

FWIW,

Holliday is better than Soriano was at the same age. And he would have signed a bigger contract if the economy hadn’t tanked, so he isn’t the best example. But given the economy he’s going to get “screwed.”
 
Here’s the comparison of the two, by age:

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 9:08 PM CST up reply actions  

The news I heard suggest Holliday is going to get over $100 mil

just saying

Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."

by DC Cubbie on Dec 31, 2009 9:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I hear it is also up to 8 years.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Jan 1, 2010 12:16 AM CST up reply actions  

soriano

was also a sub 2 win player the previous 2 years before his contract season and he was going on 31 and given an 8 year deal

8 year deals should be reserved for guys who are 26-29 and play a position where aging won’t take as large of a toll (like 1B), going to 8 years on him was ridiculous

now you’re seeing the example set (which you use below) on someone like Holliday where teams are going 5 years, Bay went 4 years (and he’s definitely not an elite player either)

So yeah I don’t view Soriano as the kind of guy you empty the wallets for and certainly not the kind of guy (athletic guy relying on speed for some of his value) EIGHT years. Few elite FA’s are signed beyond 5 years and the ones that are usually can be DH’d at the end of the contract. The Cubs overcommitted in years and dollars to the wrong guy

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 31, 2009 9:10 PM CST up reply actions  

OK, that much I agree with.

But to be fair, the markets were quite different when the Cubs offered Soriano’s his contract.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 9:12 PM CST up reply actions  

they were different but that shouldn't excuse stupidity

Beltran got a 7 year deal but he was 27 when he signed

Tex got an 8 year deal last year but he was 28

Soriano was 30, you’re not paying for 2-3 years of prime production that other teams were paying for. It was so incredibly stupid to think you’d get much at all in the 2nd half of the contract. It was a wild overpayment

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 31, 2009 9:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree.

You should also try to give the long contracts to SS’s, C’s, and CF’s that can move down the defensive spectrum as they age.

I think you and I agree on all this. I just think we disagree as to how big of a deal all of this is. None of this is going to keep the Cubs from being a 90 win team in 2010 or beyond.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 9:18 PM CST up reply actions  

where i disagree

is that if the organization and the GM continue to operate the same way every year, how am i supposed to assume they’ll correct it when they have the financial flexibility again beyond 2010?

What do i have to point to that doesn’t suggest they’re going to extend Aramis, Lilly, Lee to large extensions, committ big years and dollars to them and then continue to try to fill the pieces around them through FA????

That’s my concern. I admit nothing they’ve done now hurts us beyond 2010, but nothing they’ve done this offseason has shown me they’ll be able to focus on opening up a new window when this one closes (which i think it already has)

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 31, 2009 9:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I can see that worry...

but what they do going into 2011 and beyond is simply unknown at this point. Until they commit money to those years, that flexibility remains. And at some point, you want to apply those funds to the talent on the field.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 9:24 PM CST up reply actions  

i just think its unrealistic

to expect mistakes made repeatedly in the past to suddenly change with GMs

Ed Wade makes the same mistakes no matter where he goes

I’m afraid Jim Hendry has the same problems

- overpay middle relievers
- defer too much to the manager on personnel decisions
- hand out NTC and player options like they’re tic-tacs

All these issues have been repeated over and over again

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 31, 2009 9:26 PM CST up reply actions  

He has his weaknesses...

but I’d argue he’s, on balance, a good GM. The Cubs have had one of the best decades in team history under his rule, and it looks like he’s finally gotten some of the scouting/development issues worked out.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 9:42 PM CST up reply actions  

to be fair

they also significantly increased payroll in the 2nd half of the decade. They never had this kind of edge on the rest of the division in terms of dollars spent

Personally I think Hendry is adequate, and I prefer to hold a higher standard than adequate. If he was improving in any of the weaknesses i’ve noted I’d be ok with him, but i think he is what he is at this point

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 31, 2009 9:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I also think if we're looking at him over time...

you’d have to say he’s corrected some of his own flaws as a GM. The scouting/development has gotten better in his regime after he brought in TIm Wilkens, and he values OBP more (and AVG less) than he used to.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 9:50 PM CST up reply actions  

i don't hold him responsible

for the scouting development aspect, as i recognize he likely has little real impact in that

the OBP thing… i suppose we can say he values it but i’m still not sure how much. He still seems to rely pretty heavily on ERA (how else could you explain the Grabow signing?)

His best moves have certainly been more “scouting” oriented (Michael Barrett, Dempster, etc) than stat-oriented

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 31, 2009 9:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Hendry used to have a weakness

for low-OBP players. He learned and has changed radically in that regard.

Your examples all together don’t add up to the importance of that single issue.

"We’re going to come back here next year healthy and do what we’re supposed to do, and we’re going to be all right. That’s not Hendry’s fault. He thought it was the right move. It didn’t work out. But at the same time, he’s the same guy that put back-to-back championship teams together." - Aramis Ramirez

by DGU on Dec 31, 2009 11:06 PM CST up reply actions  

examples?

who has he valued of late other than MB that provided OBP

Byrd is coming off a .329 OBP last season

aaron miles was obp-inept

what other OBP signings has he made other than bradley?

fukudome’s signing was brought in as a power guy, the OBP wasn’t the focus their it was filling the LH Power role

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 31, 2009 11:09 PM CST up reply actions  

So, are you just forgetting or are you intentionally trying to re-write history on the Fukudome signing?

Here’s a reminder. Also, here. for Lou’s two cents on what they were looking for.

But there’s also the fact that the Cubs chose Theriot’s OBP over Izturis’ switch-hitting, defense, and speed, and again over Cedeno’s preferrable scouting pedigree.

The players coming up from the farm are all showing more OBP. Colvin was asked to remake himself as a hitter.

Cliff Floyd and Jim Edmonds and Reed Johnson were also OBP sources, as opposed to speedy, glove players.

Of the CF options, Ankiel, Cameron, Byrd, and Podsednik, Byrd’s projected OBP is highest (tied with Pods).

"We’re going to come back here next year healthy and do what we’re supposed to do, and we’re going to be all right. That’s not Hendry’s fault. He thought it was the right move. It didn’t work out. But at the same time, he’s the same guy that put back-to-back championship teams together." - Aramis Ramirez

by DGU on Jan 1, 2010 12:03 AM CST up reply actions  

i'll give you some of that

the article is written with a focus on OBP but Hendry’s comments refer to OBP being downplayed as the focal point of the signing

theriot over izturis was a lou decision as lou eventually chose theriot over izturis after half a season. Hendry brought in izturis with the maddux trade before pineilla got his hands on the roster

johnson was coming off a .305 OBP season in TOR and has been an average OBP guy throughout his career with the exception of one anomaly in TOR

Floyd’s a good example

I thought multiple times here you’ve given Lou the credit for not wanting to play Pie and pitted Lou as the guy wanting Edmonds, Hendry as the guy wanting Pie

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jan 1, 2010 12:10 AM CST up reply actions  

For me it was never Pie v. Edmonds

I was pro-Edmonds from the get go – calling it a great risk. By the time Edmonds came, the writing had been on the wall re: Lou and Pie. It was Reed v. Pie. Once Lou chose Reed, it was clear we needed someone else. Maybe you argue there weren’t other choices, but Hendry did choose Edmonds.

You got me to take a second look at Reed’s #s, which weren’t as good as his 2008 with the Cubs had me thinking they were. His 2008 was also a good OBP year – not just his Toronto year, but I can concede Reed without losing what remains a strong case overall.

I don’t read that article as having Hendry downplay OBP at all. Their press release had used OPS for the first time and Lou had been talking about wanting to add OBP. So the reporter was led to ask a natural question – does this mean the Cubs now value OBP more. Hendry answered that they value OBP more than people think, but that they’ll still value players who do other things but don’t excel at OBP. He went on to suggest that people will skew certain statistics as being more important, thereby undervaluing the complete player. As an example he suggested that people might conclude Dome didn’t have enough power for RF, ignoring all the rest of his game.

Now that turned out fairly prescient, didn’t it. Blind squirrel finding his nut, I guess.

"We’re going to come back here next year healthy and do what we’re supposed to do, and we’re going to be all right. That’s not Hendry’s fault. He thought it was the right move. It didn’t work out. But at the same time, he’s the same guy that put back-to-back championship teams together." - Aramis Ramirez

by DGU on Jan 1, 2010 8:26 AM CST up reply actions  

I always tried to split the Soriano contract in two

I’ve always tried to split the Soriano contract into two contracts; a five year contract and a three year extension. The best I could have hoped for was that he would be good for five years and decent for three. It could be looked at like this; we signed him for five years and at the end of the contract extended the deal three years. If everything worked out, that wouldn’t be all that bad. Only the three year contract would be viewed as a mistake.

But now I’m concerned that his production will drop off well before that. If his best days are behind him, it will be considered a bad deal well before five years. Even if he rebounds a bit in 2010, his performance will likely be less as the years go by.

by JimAnchower on Dec 31, 2009 9:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I also believe you think things are more "set in stone"

than they are. This offseason is a great example. Bradley’s value was totally trashed, yet Hendry was able to maneuver his way into opening up a hole in CF. Had he been able to trade for Granderson we may not be having this conversation right now. He wasn’t able to do that, so he did the next best thing.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 9:12 PM CST up reply actions  

i'm probably somewhere in the middle

set in stone is too black and white, but i do think their should be an overriding organizational philosophy that should dictate the following things:

1) player evaluation
2) contract negotiation
3) FA approach
4) draft approach

Every year is going to bring about different circumstances that need to be dealt with, i agree. But maintaining flexibility to address those issues in more significant ways is what i’d like to see the Cubs do. Much of the Cubs “different circumstances” have been tied to their self-induced lack of flexibiltiy (both financially and roster-wise)

This is what i found so interesting about the Yankees and their refusal to go with anything other than a low-cost short-term solution in LF. They recognize the only thing that can get them in trouble is tying their own hands up

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 31, 2009 9:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with that, too.

But you do realize how much flexibility the Cubs have starting next offseason, don’t you? In terms of flexibility, Hendry has done a really good job of keeping his options for the future open, this offseason included.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 9:22 PM CST up reply actions  

i do

i covered this in my response to the other post above

i’m concerned there’s been no indication they’ll keep the flexibility and recognize how important it is

every year we spend up until the last dime we have and then the next year we figure it out again

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 31, 2009 9:23 PM CST up reply actions  

meh..

$101M committed to 9 players in 2011 (while losing arguably your best pitcher and position player)….tough to get giddy over that flexibility….

by Andronicus on Jan 1, 2010 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

maybe...

but i don’t think that’s a guy you’re happy to lose

by Andronicus on Jan 1, 2010 11:27 PM CST up reply actions  

No, he's not.

But that’ll increase the amount of money available, and make it so your 2 best position players are free agents.

Next year’s offseason should be exciting for the Cubs. They will have lots of flexibility and lots of need/room for improvement.

by shawndgoldman on Jan 2, 2010 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

2011 3B market is not pretty:

Garrett Atkins (31) – $8.5MM club option with a $500K buyout
Wilson Betemit (29)
Geoff Blum (38) – $1.65MM mutual option
Jorge Cantu (29)
Eric Chavez (33) – $12.5MM club option with a $3MM buyout
Craig Counsell (40)
Bill Hall (31) – $9.25MM club option with a $500K buyout
Pedro Feliz (36)
Troy Glaus (34)
Wes Helms (35)
Brandon Inge (34)
Mike Lowell (37)
Jhonny Peralta (29) – $7MM club option with a $250K buyout
Ty Wigginton (33)

by Andronicus on Jan 2, 2010 5:48 PM CST up reply actions  

But Eric Chavez is left-handed.

"We’re going to come back here next year healthy and do what we’re supposed to do, and we’re going to be all right. That’s not Hendry’s fault. He thought it was the right move. It didn’t work out. But at the same time, he’s the same guy that put back-to-back championship teams together." - Aramis Ramirez

by DGU on Jan 2, 2010 6:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Which is part of the reason I think Ramirez will opt out...

of course, that assumes a contract extension isn’t in place. The Cubs could extend him before he makes a decision on that option.

by shawndgoldman on Jan 2, 2010 10:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Here's an interesting question -

was Soriano an elite player from JH’s old perspective? If you don’t care about OBP, Soriano did it all.

"We’re going to come back here next year healthy and do what we’re supposed to do, and we’re going to be all right. That’s not Hendry’s fault. He thought it was the right move. It didn’t work out. But at the same time, he’s the same guy that put back-to-back championship teams together." - Aramis Ramirez

by DGU on Dec 31, 2009 11:01 PM CST up reply actions  

You should have a long-term plan...

and a short-term one. I think Hendry’s deals this off-season fit into both.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 8:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Probably just one year.

I don’t agree with your ‘every year’ characterization. You wouldn’t have said that after 2006 or 2007.

It’s real simple. The guy screwed up last year. He’s admitted it and is trying to fix it. If it doesn’t work, he’ll probably be out of work next winter.

I’m OK with that.

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by Al Yellon on Dec 31, 2009 8:52 PM CST up reply actions  

this is my general feeling

though perhaps a bit stronger than i feel, but in the same general ballpark for sure

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 31, 2009 9:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not a Hendry hater

but I had to rec this just because I couldn’t really argue with any of it.

"I have the time and hatred but not the knowledge." ~Madison Cub Fan (Aug. 25, 2009)

by Goodie1969 on Dec 31, 2009 9:35 PM CST up reply actions  

If this were true
This is the work of a GM trying to save his job each year with the best FA he can fit in his budget, and fits it in with a contract as backloaded as he can make it. He does this because he isn’t concerned with the future, he’s concerned with making the team look good enough that year to keep him employed.

then you don’t trade DeRosa for prospects, giving playing time to Fontenot. If it was true you don’t give away Felix Pie for the sake of his career, you keep him as a backup for Bradley being injured. If it was true you trade Castro for Granderson. If it was true you don’t say no to Peavy.

Jim Hendry is willing to try and be creative. Sometimes it works – converting Dempster to a closer and then back to a starter. Sometimes it doesn’t – Soriano in CF. But I don’t blame Hendry for trying Soriano in CF. Why should we? It was never intended to be a long-term plan. Hendry believed Pie was going to take over in 2008 or ’09 at the latest.

Pie and Lou ending up incompatible was the real unravelling of Hendry’s long-term plan, because Pie was the CF, LH down-order hitter, and speed source Hendry expected to balance this lineup. In retrospect, the Pie-Bradley decision looks really bad. But we were a 97-win team and had the payroll room to add Bradley, so we went for it.

"We’re going to come back here next year healthy and do what we’re supposed to do, and we’re going to be all right. That’s not Hendry’s fault. He thought it was the right move. It didn’t work out. But at the same time, he’s the same guy that put back-to-back championship teams together." - Aramis Ramirez

by DGU on Dec 31, 2009 11:24 PM CST up reply actions  

You can add to that

2. Get rid of Aaron Miles (problem created by dumping DeRosa to pay for Bradley)

3. Find a CF (problem created multiple times by signing guys to enormous contracts thinking that since they are athletes, they’ll be able to play CF, finding out they can’t, then trying to find places to hide these guys while you sign another big ticket CF).

5. SP depth (problem also created by trading Marquis for Luis F Vizcaino)

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Dec 31, 2009 8:46 PM CST up reply actions  

marquis and derosa

would’ve been FA’s so they’re not applicable for the 2010 roster without re-committing excess dollars to them

that’s why i didn’t include them

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 31, 2009 8:50 PM CST up reply actions  

The offseason has been a waste considering it's about correcting mistakes.

Mistakes made last season that never should have happened. Like MB, for instance.

The corrections so far have been good off-season moves by a GM who should not be here under stable and experienced ownership. Once the Rickett’s fascination and rookie attitude goes away I predict new management (another GM in a few years).

In any case, let’s hope for more good moves and a playoff contender for 2010. Happy new year, everybody!

by Fraggin Judge on Dec 31, 2009 8:46 PM CST reply actions  

Hindsight is 20/20

Milton Bradley was a bad signing because of his personal history. He had a major off year and he acted like a big baby because of it.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Jan 1, 2010 9:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Poll added to the right sidebar re: the Byrd signing.

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by Al Yellon on Dec 31, 2009 8:47 PM CST reply actions  

LOL

What other options could I have used?

I’m voting “Meh”, FWIW.

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by Al Yellon on Dec 31, 2009 8:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank you

for a very sane and rational post.

by Damen Jackson on Dec 31, 2009 9:19 PM CST reply actions  

I find Shawn's posts to be the some of the best here

and on anothercubsblog.net

THe one thing i disagreew with you Shawn is about Marmol.

I THINK he will be effective and reliable. Just my opinion. I think he was pissed when he didnt win the job after I believe outperforming Gregg last year. He shouldnt have sulked but for that type of position you need to be the guy.

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

by fischisgod on Dec 31, 2009 9:34 PM CST reply actions  

He should be good...

I just think he’s a high-risk player, and would like some insurance. Maybe that insurance policy is Cashner. I’m happy if that’s the case.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 9:36 PM CST up reply actions  

my biggest issue

is backing him up with Grabow (who has the same command issues). At the very worst you need to diversify the types of relievers you have a bit in the pen.

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 31, 2009 9:38 PM CST up reply actions  

That I agree with.

If you’re going to spend money on the pen, spend it on the lights-out guys. I’d be much happier spending $7M on Rafael Soriano than $7M (over two seasons) on Grabow.

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 9:41 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

or...

Mike Gonzalez or Billy Wagner… even Jose Valverde. Unfortunately to contend next year, the Cubs needed Grabow and one of those guys. So far, they’ve repeated the same mistake they made last year.

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by jameslcrockett on Jan 1, 2010 4:56 PM CST up reply actions  

They didn't need Grabow.

But one of those guys would have been nice, instead, even at the higher cost.

by shawndgoldman on Jan 1, 2010 9:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Happy New Year!

Hopefully 2010 is better than 2009 in Cubville…

by shawndgoldman on Dec 31, 2009 11:04 PM CST reply actions  

My Apologies to the Apologists

The only way this offseason looks like a win is from an Cubs front office sycophant who has some kind of sick need to have their blind loyalty abused while the Cubs counts the millions they make off of you.

The team has done the same thing they did last year… make the team worse on paper from the year before while saving themselves money.

Carlos Silva, (over-paying and over-committing to) Marlon Byrd and prospects for Milton Bradley, Aaron Miles and Jake Fox(!) is a horrible, horrible result for this offseason when they needed to put a lot of work in just to keep pace with the Cardinals, with or without Matt Holliday, and stay ahead of the Brewers.

If the team isn’t going to go all out and act like the big market team they are, I’d rather they stop trying to placate with these half-effort, peace-meal signings such as Marlon Byrd, just so they can say, “hey, look, we spent some money. Happy now?”

I’m done drinking the kool-aid… but thinking of dumping the team I’ve loved my whole life because of they way they’ve drowned the dreams I’ve had of seeing them win… has me thinking of taking up drinking other beverages.

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by jameslcrockett on Dec 31, 2009 11:06 PM CST reply actions  

Again, we have explained why they can't "go all out" right now.

Debt service. There isn’t an unlimited amount of money. Maybe in a couple years, there will be.

You’re far too negative. “Drowned the dreams of seeing them win”? Seriously? Before a single game has been played? Geez, why are you even a fan?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 31, 2009 11:16 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Why do all fans have to be completely positive?

If hes not happy with the current state of affairs, is he not allowed to complain? Isnt that the point of such message boards?

The organization does have a “have your cake and eat it too” method of operation, they like to pretend theyre a big market/big move team, but theyre the worse run of the major market teams, and I think he’s right, Marlon Byrd/John Grabow/Aaron Miles/ Aaron Heilman….these are half ass moves.

And we are in debt service b/c we have an incompetent GM with little to no forsight. Quite frankly, I dont know how anyone can be rosey about the Cubs future after 2011 or so.

I just dont think its right to question someones fanhood if they complain about the state of affairs

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jan 1, 2010 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

However inept the Cubs have been recently, they are not the worst-run of the big market teams

The Mets take that prize and no finishes second.

In fact, the Cubs even have fewer “OMG, why did they do that?” contracts than the Tigers.

by ClarkFan on Jan 1, 2010 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Mets

say what you want about them… but they have a World Series win and another appearance in my lifetime.

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by jameslcrockett on Jan 1, 2010 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

100 + years isnt a coincidence

theres been some serious mismanagement here, and the past few years when they’ve had the resources to spend, theyve been spent blindly with little to no concern about the future.

Im no expert on the Tigers, but I’d feel more comfortable giving 9 figures to Miguel Cabrera than I would Soriano

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jan 1, 2010 6:07 PM CST up reply actions  

The Tigers' problems are the 8-figure contracts to Willis and Ordonez

But Cabrera looks risky too – could be eating/drinking himself into DH status. I actually hope he wakes up – it would be a shame to see that happen to a player as good as he is.

by ClarkFan on Jan 1, 2010 7:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Did you think like this during the 2006 season?

I would not dump the Cubs, and I did not dump them in the 2006 season, and that season tested my resolve as a Cubs fan in a way no other season for any of my sports teams.

If you dump the Cubs, that is your prerogative. But you are not a true Cubs fan if you do so.

Bound for New York City: January 6-9! Can't wait!

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 1, 2010 1:01 AM CST up reply actions  

2006 has nothing on

1990-1997 those were horrible

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 1, 2010 2:13 AM CST up reply actions  

1997 was horrible.

But the Cubs did have a couple of decent years in the early and mid 1990’s.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jan 1, 2010 9:35 AM CST up reply actions  

2005

I started to question Jim Hendry’s competence following the 2004 season, especially when he didn’t fire Dusty Baker.

I don’t make judgments based on Ws and Ls… I didn’t care that they didn’t get back to the playoffs in 2004. I thought Hendry was great that year, bringing back Greg Maddux, trading for Derrek Lee and Michael Barrett, signing Ryan Dempster, trading for Nomar Garciaparra AND Ben Grieve.

The end of that season was a debacle and it had nothing to do with Hendry. Dusty Baker proved himself an idiot at making managerial decisions and couldn’t keep his players focused on the games.

Hendry not only did nothing about that, he gave Baker even more ammunition to show how moronic he could be by letting him give 600 ABs to Neifi Perez, 200 ABs to Jose Macias… and giving him the worst outfield I’ve ever seen (until 2006, of course).

All of that bothered me to no end… however, what had me banging my head against a wall for a month was The Great Switcharoo. They spent all spring preparing Ryan Dempster to be a late-inning reliever and Glendon Rusch to be in the rotation… and then had them switch for some logically-awful reason. This led to more reliance on LaTroy Hawkins at closer, which cost the team several games in April and eventually led to his trade to San Francisco (which would have been a fantastic trade had they not dumped David Aardsma for nothing). I will never ever forget Hawkins blowing the last game of a road trip against Houston and Milwaukee (that saw three such bullpen disasters) and Baker putting him back out there the next day to do the same thing against Philadelphia. One of my more traumatic experiences at a baseball stadium… I was literally close enough to the field to spit on Hawkins that day (not that I did, because that’s not how I roll).

For as bad as they were, there was a point in June where all you had to do was switch a couple of those Hawkins blowups and they were right in the wild-card hunt. Hendry, however, did absolutely nothing to improve the team, bringing in no help for the pitching staff and only Matt Lawton to help on offense.

Jacque Jones. Juan Pierre. Bobby Howry. Scott Eyre. Neal Cotts. Cesar Izturis. Cliff Floyd. Freddy Bynum. Tony Womack. Alfonso Soriano. Jason Marquis. Kosuke Fukudome. Milton Bradley. Aaron Miles. Aaron Heilman. Kevin Gregg.

I’ll give him Ted Lilly, Mark DeRosa, Jim Edmonds and Rich Harden (even though he let him walk for nothing), but it doesn’t make up for the bad-to-disastrous moves he made… and the moves he didn’t make.

It’s a new decade. We need some new-decade thinkers in here or guys like Jack Zduriencik are going to keep kicking our asses until all of our grandfathers and grandchildren have missed out on seeing the Cubs win a World Series.

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by jameslcrockett on Jan 1, 2010 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Quite simply, you're wrong.

Last year they made themselves better on paper, and ended up being much worse on the field. This year, they’re a little worse on paper, but the offseason isn’t over yet.

I think there are good reasons to be skeptical of the degree to which this team is going to invest money on the on-field product in the future, but saying they made themselves worse on paper compared to the year before is an inaccurate statement.

I also question the logic of anyone that uses “the team” amorphously when speaking of a desire to just “rob the fans” when there are two different owners in place. It’s not the same group. You could make a comparison between the two groups, but it’s different people at the very top now.

by shawndgoldman on Jan 1, 2010 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

How can you say that?

Kerry Wood >>> Kevin Gregg

Mark DeRosa >>> Aaron Miles

Michael Wuertz >>> Aaron Heilman

Exactly in what area did they improve?

If Angel Guzman and Randy Wells hadn’t come out of nowhere, this team wins 75 games tops.

I don’t have to sit here and say I was wrong about Milton Bradley. I hated the signing from the start because they committed three years to him, bid against themselves like they did with Soriano and don’t have smart enough people in the organization to manage either his talents or his detriments. Not to mention there were players out there that didn’t cost that much more and proved they were worth that money.

There’s no justification for looking at the team that ended 2008 and saying you’d rather have the team that started 2009.

I think they are done improving the team this year. Even if they sign a Bedard or Sheets, it doesn’t add that much value to the team… especially not compared to Rich Harden.

They’re worse this year in the rotation. They’re even worse this year in the bullpen (which is saying a lot). They’re worse this year in position players (I’d rather have Reed Johnson and Sam Fuld than Marlon Byrd).

BTW… did I miss them firing the president, GM, etc.? It’s the same people running this team, right? The same people who for years who have been making as much as possible off of us while putting in as little effort as possible. When things change at the top, then we can start making comparisons. The only thing that’s changed is the guy who pays the checks… not who’s cashing them.

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by jameslcrockett on Jan 1, 2010 4:14 PM CST up reply actions  

well if you

would rather have Sam Fuld over Marlon Byrd thats your problem buddy.

by CalCalender on Jan 1, 2010 10:15 PM CST up reply actions  

thankfully...

it’s not the Cubs’ problem. :-)

by shawndgoldman on Jan 2, 2010 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Bye

OK I don't know shit about basketball.

by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST

by sue369 on Jan 1, 2010 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Bordering on troll territory

I think you are just looking to get a rise out of people.

Since 2007, the Cubs have finished above the Brewers in the standings. We don’t have to fight to stay ahead of them, we already are.

As for the Cards…

Wainwright, Carpenter, Pineiro and Franklin pitched way over their heads in 2009. Wainwright pitched over 240 IPs, Carpenter is a 35 year old pitcher with arm problems who had a career low in HRs (7 HRs allowed in almost 200 IPs – tying his rookie season where he allowed 7 HR in 81 IPs), Pineiro and his 200 IPs of 3.49 ERA work are gone, and Franklin, 37, had his first sub 3.00 ERA season in his career.

Just like the people who added up the production of Jim Edmonds and Mark DeRosa in 2008 and questioned where those runs were going to come from for the Cubs in 2009, the Cardinals have A LOT of questions of where their quality innings are going to come from in their SP.

To think we are so far behind the Cardinals is to not take a real look at their roster or their 2009 season.

by IllinoisCubs on Jan 1, 2010 5:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Cubs cruise past brewcrew easily this year?

by ol Pete on Jan 1, 2010 5:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I think so

Why do you think they won’t?

by IllinoisCubs on Jan 1, 2010 6:19 PM CST up reply actions  

and we'll wave

as it happens.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jan 1, 2010 8:27 PM CST up reply actions  

You’re that guy Drew.

by ol Pete on Jan 2, 2010 8:58 AM CST up reply actions  

I have no problem

being that guy.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jan 2, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

That guy never does. Its part of what makes him that guy.

by ol Pete on Jan 2, 2010 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

the brewers?

we haven’t finished behind them in some time.

Carlos Gomez is worse than Cameron, Escobar is worse than Hardy and after Wolf and Yovani Gallardo (who never seems to pitch deep into games) their rotation is a joke.

by CalCalender on Jan 1, 2010 10:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I’m a huge JJ fan and I’m excited for a full year of Escobar. I can tell you’re not a fan of defense. It’ll be interesting to see what the rotation is this year. Maybe they’ll end up using a AAAA guy like Narveson.

by ol Pete on Jan 2, 2010 8:57 AM CST up reply actions  

JJ

Hardy was excellent at defense.

by CalCalender on Jan 2, 2010 10:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Except at the Cubs-Brewers game I went to in June 2007.

Hardy committed two errors, and it could have easily been four.

Bound for New York City: January 6-9! Can't wait!

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 2, 2010 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Errors, as you know, aren't the best defensive metric.

Neither is citing one game.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jan 2, 2010 11:12 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree

Escobar is better. Gomez is supposed to be a whiz as well.

by ol Pete on Jan 2, 2010 10:38 AM CST up reply actions  

I doubt

he will be much more than league average next season. His only value is hitting for average.

For all the talk of Starlin Castro being overrated consider after Escobar’s age 19 season he posted a .602 OPS in A ball. Castro just posted a .700 + OPS and getting over 100 AB’s in AA. Clearly to this point Castro is a much better prospect than Escobar was. He had better be the genius with the glove that he has been billed to make himself worth dumping Hardy.

by CalCalender on Jan 2, 2010 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

The Brewers are worse than they were last year...

and made one of the worst trades of the offseason. Their GM is a joke.

by shawndgoldman on Jan 2, 2010 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep, same as always.

Bound for New York City: January 6-9! Can't wait!

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 1, 2010 11:27 PM CST up reply actions  

ok

not to be mean or anything but since the Brewers came to Central when have they ever been any good? This window of theirs the last few years seems to be closing and even at their best (08) the Cubs were much better.

by CalCalender on Jan 2, 2010 10:07 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't really see the window closing

and the idea that the Cubs were better in 08 is interesting to say the least.

by ol Pete on Jan 2, 2010 10:39 AM CST up reply actions  

ok

in what way were the Brewers better in 2008?

by CalCalender on Jan 2, 2010 10:40 AM CST up reply actions  

The 2008

Cubs won 7 more games, scored 105 more runs, allowed 18 less runs, won the division, famously swept Milwaukee in a 4 game series at Miller Park and won the series record.

So yeah, the only reason to think that Milwaukee had the better team is your personal opinion.

by CalCalender on Jan 2, 2010 10:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes, ol' Pete.

You will listen to CalCalender.

He speaks the truth.

Bound for New York City: January 6-9! Can't wait!

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 2, 2010 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

A Packers/Cubs fan – forgive me but that is strange.

by ol Pete on Jan 2, 2010 10:40 AM CST up reply actions  

There are others here.

Clutch16, Doggie Stalker, nji232, bheidge are people here at BCB who are Packers fans who I can think of off the top of my head.

I used to live in Wausau, I imagine you know where that is.

Bound for New York City: January 6-9! Can't wait!

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 2, 2010 10:41 AM CST up reply actions  

A group makes it very, very strange.

by ol Pete on Jan 2, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Not nearly as strange as being a Packers fan and a Brewers fan...

And hanging out all the time on a Chicago Cubs blog.

Now that’s strange.

Bound for New York City: January 6-9! Can't wait!

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 2, 2010 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

If the team isn’t going to go all out and act like the big market team they are, I’d rather they stop trying to placate with these half-effort, peace-meal signings such as Marlon Byrd, just so they can say, "hey, look, we spent some money. Happy now?"

And what would you have suggested?

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jan 1, 2010 8:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Recommended..

If only because this habit of questioning someone’s fanhood is old, tired, and something that I hope went out with the new year.

by Damen Jackson on Jan 1, 2010 8:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Now this I can recommend

It is supposed to be a pastime and enjoyment. The Cubs W-L record does not impact the well-being of me, my family or friends.

by rlpete on Jan 1, 2010 9:52 AM CST up reply actions  

I think he's more upset that the team doesnt put forth the effort that the fans do

And I am scared that we have a pure business man running the team now, he can say all he wants about how his family are Cubs fans, but he’s a capitalist pure and simple, and they do make obscene amounts of money off fans….and we’re supposed to be excited or happy that theyre signing Marlon Byrd? please, theres a reason the Yankees, Red Sox, Angels and Phillies have been constantly competitive in recent years, b/c theyre run more efficiently and wiser than the Cubs.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jan 1, 2010 1:43 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

It's fine to be upset with how the organization is being run.

But if a statement like “They’re ineptitude has sucked a lot of life out of me.” is true, then again, I truly feel sorry for him.

I can’t put into words how sad it is that a fan can actually let a sports team ‘suck the life out of them’, and apparently literally. Someone should get Merriam-Websters on the phone – we need a new definition for insanity.

by DMCub on Jan 1, 2010 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Im sure that was hyperbole

But would the Cubs be in the position they are financially and having a coast to coast fan base, were it not for people being so emotionally attached? Sure its a Catch-22, but I tend to believe that statement was somewhat facetious.

The thing that gets me most frustrated is that they have the financial where with all to compete with anyone save the Yankees, but they seem to spend like drunken sailors on shore leave, and continually give ludicrous deals to marginal players.

So will I switch teams? of course not, but it wont stop me from griping

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jan 1, 2010 6:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Your assumption is incorrect.

New ownership just went into deep debt to buy the team. To assume they have Yankee-like money ignores reality.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jan 1, 2010 6:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I said they have the same resources as anyone

but the Yankees. Its not as if Fenway holds 70K seats, and Im sure the Red Sox charge just as much as the Cubs do for seats….so one could assume their revenue stream should be reasonably close, but the way it is spent differs vastly.

Im sure Hendry wouldve given Jason Bay a 12 year deal if he were Theo Epstein

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jan 1, 2010 6:19 PM CST up reply actions  

The Red Sox have much higher ticket prices than the Cubs do...

… and have a Jumbotron.

I know the Cubs want to emulate the Red Sox model, but to think their revenue streams are “reasonably close” is also false thinking.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jan 1, 2010 6:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Im sure the information is available

And how much money does a Jumbotron yield? If its significant, its another example of how the Red Sox are better run than the Cubs, after all Fenway is older and more historic than Wrigley, yet they’ve modernized it to an extent w/o jeopardizing its historic appeal.

To imagine a team like the Cubs who have fans all over the country cant compete with Red Sox is false thinking….afterall arent the Cubs a top five payroll team as it is?

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jan 1, 2010 6:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes.

You seem to want everything to be fixed the moment the Ricketts took over. Business just doesn’t work that way.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jan 1, 2010 6:31 PM CST up reply actions  

No just some indication they will make changes

And run the team the way an organization w/ its resources should be run.

Granted, its too early too tell, Im just in the camp that thinks the first change shouldve been the GM…if I havent made that clear already..ha

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jan 1, 2010 10:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Someone should get Merriam-Websters on the phone – we need a new definition for insanity.

Maybe we just need a new word – call it “infanity”.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jan 2, 2010 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 1, 2010 1:44 PM CST up reply actions  

ugh...

I meant baseball life… and sports life. You probably glossed over the part where I experienced real tragedy in the last year. I used to write about sports and baseball for a living, but ever since 2005, I’ve lost the desire and drive and passion to do so… except like this. And I’m tired of thinking like this… and I don’t think it’s too much to ask to have my teams give me reason to think otherwise. I can’t remember the last time the Cubs inspired me… and I can’t figure out for the life of me why they inspire any of you.

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by jameslcrockett on Jan 1, 2010 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Ok

So they haven’t sucked any real life out of you…that is good to know.

However, that doesn’t change my opinion that while being a Cub fan can be very frustrating at times, the bottom line is – it’s a game.

As far as inspiration? Well, I’m not much for drawing inspiration from games, but the 2008 regular season was damn exhilirating.

by DMCub on Jan 1, 2010 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, suit yourself.

Enjoy the Mariners and Milton Bradley. Seriously, if the Cubs are making you this bitter, I think you should stop being a fan of theirs.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jan 1, 2010 9:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Precisely

Recommended with ease

Numbers may not lie, but they don’t tell the whole truth (and nothing but the truth), either. -- Doug Glanville

by leothelip on Jan 1, 2010 10:17 AM CST up reply actions  

to me being fan

means I enjoy it. Win, lose, or draw, the enjoyment of the game itself is greater than the Cubs win and loss record

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 1, 2010 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Faith...

is exactly what it takes to be a Cub fan. You have to have faith in something that hasn’t won a World Series since 1908. People have faith in religion and yet they’ve never seen their deity or the described after life. I follow the Cubs because I have faith that it can and will happen.

You can question moves by the management all day but in the end if a person can’t have faith in this team then they’re following the wrong one.

"...but you the living, you're stuck here with the Cubs. So it is ME who feels sorry for you." - Steve Goodman, "A Dying Cub Fan's Last Request"

by HoSs. on Jan 1, 2010 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I, for one, hope to enjoy the Mariners and Milton Bradley this year...

in person no less.

But that’s not going to keep me from being a Cubs fan. And I’ll be rooting for the Cubs when they come to town in June.

by shawndgoldman on Jan 1, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

You do realize....

that ownership changed in the last year, right?

For better or worse, “the Cubs” isn’t some amorphous constant. Sure the President, GM, and Manager are the same but the ownsership is different.

At the least, you should make acknowledge the new ownership and make a “don’t get fooled again” reference. Or something like that.

by shawndgoldman on Jan 1, 2010 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

They’ve done this year after year after year… I’ve lost an aunt and an uncle this year, Cubs fans their entire, too-short lives. My Grandfather is approaching 80. I’m only 31. I can make different choices. I don’t have to wait until I am as old as you are before a team I’m emotionally invested in wins something. I can choose not to waste my life on a team that only loves and respects me as far as they can profit off me. I’m writing this year off because the Cubs front office wrote this year off… but they did it in a way that doesn’t work towards any future success.

That’s fine. You get to be the fan you want to be. But why bother to write a dissertation here about it?

Because you’re looking for a reaction.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jan 1, 2010 8:32 PM CST up reply actions  

its more of the same

like “i been suffering for 40 years” kind of posts.

if its such a bad part of your life, stop making it a part of your life

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 1, 2010 9:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Or like, "I've been

a die hard Cub fan since 1977." ;-)

OK I don't know shit about basketball.

by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST

by sue369 on Jan 1, 2010 10:25 PM CST up reply actions  

took the words right out of my mind... ;-)

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jan 2, 2010 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

History of the Cubs and Winning

Many others and we continue to armchair analyze, speculate, and guess, and hope that someday the Cubs will win it all. We all want to be “right” with our thoughts and ideas.

I love, enjoy, and look forward to most of the excellent and thought-provoking analysis, discussions, and debates on BCB; however flawed someday be in logical arguments – my own included.

I have resigned myself and gained an acceptance that maybe, just maybe, the Cubs will finally win it all when we really least expect it, when we have “written them off” late or early in the season, and something very special, almost" miraculous" happens. I am NOT a proponent of “curses” or superstitious behavior or a common definition of “luck.”

However, I enjoy and often manage to relax more about my all-time favorite baseball team, by not “owning” their “salvation,” unless there is something I can directly DO that is worthwhile and have a positive impact in their eventual Championship outcome.

That being said, despite all my continue frustrations and disappointments, I guess I am saying that I have overall come to an acceptance of the Cubs – no matter what!


Happy New Year to all Cub Fans!

Here’s to “When Least Expectations Occur!”



“Someday,,,”

by GeneticCubsFan on Jan 1, 2010 10:56 AM CST reply actions  

FWIW

i posted this in the other thread, but Keith Law isn’t a big fan of the Byrd signing

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4786032&name=law_keith

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jan 1, 2010 1:49 PM CST reply actions  

To be honest

Law isn’t really a fan of any free agent signing unless it’s a short bargain basement deal like Bobby Abreu signed last year.

He has a point, although I think he’s a bit dogmatic about it. However, he does admit in that article that the deal “isn’t going to sink the Cubs.”

by Josh77 on Jan 1, 2010 3:42 PM CST up reply actions  

i think the problem is

Cubs fans expectations are so low that “isn’t going to sink the Cubs” is viewed as a good thing around here

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jan 1, 2010 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Cubs' fans expectations low?

What team have you been following recently?

"We’re going to come back here next year healthy and do what we’re supposed to do, and we’re going to be all right. That’s not Hendry’s fault. He thought it was the right move. It didn’t work out. But at the same time, he’s the same guy that put back-to-back championship teams together." - Aramis Ramirez

by DGU on Jan 1, 2010 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

they're low

They’re low in comparison. Many fans might even realize they have lowered expectations. When this offseason looks like even a little bit like a win, that’s low expectations.

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by jameslcrockett on Jan 1, 2010 5:05 PM CST up reply actions  

people here

are excited about John Grabow and Marlon Byrd

the expectations are low

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jan 1, 2010 5:46 PM CST up reply actions  

No one is "excited" about them.

But neither do we think they are the devil, as some here do.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jan 1, 2010 5:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Byrd and Grabow

are ok players .. I am not excited by either one . I was really hoping the Cubs could have gotton in trade Granderson . I would put money on him to have a great breakout year .. and just plays a great ‘D’ in the outfield . Now it just seems we are signing marginal players , just average players , .. I know the Cubs have no big money to spend this year , thanks to Hendry’s crazy spending , I was still hoping the Cubs could have one BIG signing to get us excited .. But as of now this off season seems boring for the Cubs fans . Yankees , Red Sox , and Phillie’s are all shoring up on their short comings , in which the Cubs are just holding pat . Then I read about Theo Epstien of the Red Sox thinking about not just 2010 but the future in trying to trade for Adrian Gonzales , young stud 27 years old . Gonzales could be a fixture too for the Cubs for the next 7 or 8 years .. I know we have Lee for 2010 with a no trade clause but lets get creative and try to trade for the future ..

by CUBFANINAZ on Jan 1, 2010 6:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Well I presume any trade discussion of that magnitude

would begin and end with Castro, which is a hot button issue around here, and many other Cubs blogs Im sure. Gonzalez is a hell of a player, but i wasnt expecting anything of that sort this year, just not a repeat of prior mistakes. Grabow is just the pitching version of Aaron Miles, hell we might as well have kept Miles, he’s thrown a few innings in the bigs.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jan 1, 2010 10:37 PM CST up reply actions  

You're out of your mind if...

you think Cubs’ fans, in general, have low expectations.

by kanderber on Jan 1, 2010 6:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Who's excited about those signings?

What message board are you reading?

Meanwhile, we had a winning season despite having half the offense injured all season long and everyone calls that a failure worth firing a guy who just provided three straight seasons of winning baseball and back-to-back playoff appearances. If that’s not high expectations, I don’t know what is.

"We’re going to come back here next year healthy and do what we’re supposed to do, and we’re going to be all right. That’s not Hendry’s fault. He thought it was the right move. It didn’t work out. But at the same time, he’s the same guy that put back-to-back championship teams together." - Aramis Ramirez

by DGU on Jan 1, 2010 6:54 PM CST up reply actions  

the general nature of this entire thread

is how great the offseason has been

i think that represents low expectations

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jan 1, 2010 9:44 PM CST up reply actions  

the OP is saying

that when you look at the offseason in aggregate so far, it’s not as terrible as people have been making it out to be. That’s hardly “look how great the offseason has been!”

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jan 2, 2010 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

i think

most of the fanbase has high expectations for the production on the field and low expectations for the offseason transactions

In general i think the majority of Cubs fans are overly optimistic of the players we have and overly critical of the team’s results. It’s probably because we have a larger fan base than most, but I think most of our fans have little grasp of the reality of the situation.

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jan 1, 2010 9:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Thats interesting

I never thought of it that way. I think a lot of Cubs fans are like me and were so taken aback by 2007 and 2008 and the expectations for 2009, that we except the rug to be pulled out from under us at any minute, which creates a sense of urgency and makes every move that much more critical. Which I think it is given the demographics of this team

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jan 1, 2010 10:39 PM CST up reply actions  

backloading

since they’re not putting any real money into the team this year, which means they’ll have left-over from their budget… the backloading of the contract could “sink the Cubs” more than you think.

Re: Abreu. There are probably 29 teams in baseball wishing they had signed Abreu to that bargain-basement deal. The bigger picture is if you sign a guy to a short-term deal and it doesn’t work out, they’re not going to crucify you as much as if you keep signing guys like Zambrano and Soriano. If you sign a guy to a deal like that, it’s almost impossible to get full value out of them.

I don’t want GMs avoiding those kind of deals just so they don’t end up on a list of bad contracts of the decade, but there are other ways to build a winning team.

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by jameslcrockett on Jan 1, 2010 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, Keith Law doesnt seem to like any moves anyone makes

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jan 1, 2010 6:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Wake me up when the 2011 season begins

Marlon Byrd? A mid-30s 245 friggin pound outfielder who hits from the RIGHT SIDE OF THE PLATE is the solution to this team’s woes. And in infamous Genius Jim fashion, Byrd is granted a 3 year backloaded contract.

So the lefty bats on this roster will be…ahem…Kosuke Fukudome, Mike Fontenot and Sam Fuld?!?!

75 wins max people. It’s going to be very ugly at Wrigley Field in 2010. I imagine the chorus of “Ryno, Ryno, Ryno” will start by May 15th when its Carlos Silva bobblehead day and he is on the mound working on a 17-hitter.

The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.

by BLou on Jan 1, 2010 5:19 PM CST reply actions  

How have the Cubs lost 8 wins from last year

Last year the Cubs won 83 games. You are saying their CEILING for this next year is 8 games lower than their total wins last year.

You must be projecting that most of the positions will contribute what they did last year and in addition, some positions will get worse. Where are we going to get worse than last year?

by IllinoisCubs on Jan 1, 2010 5:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Well...

This roster is an umitigated disaster folks. That is my growing opinion. The pitching is going to be where this team really has problems…oh that and a piss poor defense and a riduculously insane virtually all right handed lineup.

Anybody want to lay odds that Lou Piniella doesn’t even show up for spring trainign?

The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.

by BLou on Jan 1, 2010 5:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Fair enough, but I'm not seeing a huge difference

2009:

Our ABs leaders in 2009 are as follows:

Player ABs OPS
Theriot: 602 .712
Lee: 532 .972
Fukudome: 499 .796
Soriano: 477 .726
Bradley: 393 .775
Fontenot: 377 .677
Soto: 331 .702
Ramirez: 306 .905
Hill: 253 .636
Hoffpauir: 234 .727
Fox: 216 .779
Baker: 203 .810
Johnson: 165 .742
Miles: 157 .466
Scales: 124 .723
Blanco: 123 .644
Fuld: 97 .821

What are your projections for 2010?

I’m guessing our leaderboard for ABs is going to be

Theriot
Lee
Ramirez
Fukudome
Soriano
Byrd
Soto
Fontenot
Baker
Hill

Outside of Marlon Byrd for Milton Bradley, you basically have the same top hitters. I have serious doubts about Derek Lee hitting .975 OPS, but other than him, I think Theriot, Soriano and Soto can’t get much worse and should get better. Ramriez’s ABs will increase and I think his production will stay the same. Fukudome will probably repeat at about what he did, Baker’s ABs over Fontenot should increase, and Soto’s ABs over Hill will increase too. I don’t think the Cubs offense could do worse than what it did last year but I’m open to you explaining where the holes will be in the offense to transform them into a 75 team are.

by IllinoisCubs on Jan 1, 2010 6:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Well wouldnt a 75 win team be easier to fix?

Let go of Lee, shop around Ramirez and Zambrano and bring up the younguns. If we are treading water near .500, I would fear there would be more offseasons like this one, full of yawn inspiring moves, most likely headed towards 85 wins or so

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jan 1, 2010 6:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Sure it would

But I’m just trying to figure out how the team falls from 83 wins. I figured the team started with that base of 83 wins going into the season because the team hasn’t changed that much and I don’t see how the team could perform worse than they did in 2009.

Perhaps you could help me out here, where do you see the team falling short of their 83 win total from last year?

by IllinoisCubs on Jan 1, 2010 6:18 PM CST up reply actions  

The bullpen seems worse

If you could imagine that. We only have 2 proven starters who will actually be pitching when the season starts. Ramirez is coming off an injury, one which hes had before, Soriano is Soriano, Soto is coming off an epic sophmore slump etc etc.

I never claimed we’re gonna be at 75 wins, I think we’ll miss out on the playoffs by a hair, which would be far more frustrating

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jan 1, 2010 6:22 PM CST up reply actions  

And the core

of the Cubs are getting older ..

by CUBFANINAZ on Jan 1, 2010 6:43 PM CST up reply actions  

yes

Soto is the only core guy under thirty .. now the Cubs sign 32 year old center fielder .. The window of oppurtunity is getting smaller . Hendry in his signings have to start thinking of younger players , in which you have speed ..

by CUBFANINAZ on Jan 1, 2010 6:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Pitching?

Looking over the hitting, again outside of Lee, I don’t see how any Cub could have a HUGE reduction in offense. Soriano, Theriot, Soto would have to plunge below .700 OPS and Blanco, Scales, and Hill can provide at least .650-.700 OPS so the offense can’t get much worse versus 2009. You must think that the pitching is going to fall?

Name IP ERA
Dempster 200 3.65
Lilly 177 3.10
Zambrano 169 3.77
Wells 165 3.05
Harden 141 4.09
Marshall 85 4.32
Marmol 74 3.41
Heilman 72 4.11
Gregg 68 4.72
Guzman 61 2.95
Gorzelanny 38 5.63
Samardzija 34 7.53
Patton 27 6.83

I’m guessing for 2010 our top contributors will be:

Dempster
Lilly
Zambrano
Wells
Marshall

So outside of Harden for Marshall, it’s the same. The SP in 2009 was very good, but the IPs total were a little on the low side. Only Dempster hit 200 IPs, and Zambrano and Wells were closer to 150 than to 200. I could see Dempster/Lilly/Zambrano/Wells/Marshall all pitching over 150 next year and 3 of those 5 pitching over 175 IPs if not 200+. But with those sub 4.00 ERAs for our top 4, I could see some room for failing but certainly the bullpen couldn’t get worse, right?

So are we losing all 8 wins from last year by the bullpen and offense repeating what they did last year and the SPs all falling to 4.00 ERAs? Hmmm, and 75 wins is the ceiling too? The max? That must the numbers. Please tell me if I’m wrong. I’m just trying to figure out where you are getting the numbers from so I know best where to aim my GM critiques at.

by IllinoisCubs on Jan 1, 2010 6:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Rebuttal

The 2009 Cubs were blessed with inordinantely good starting pitching. In fact, it was surprising in nearly every respect. Unfortunately the offensive and defensive struggles of this ballclub combined with a bad bullpen sabotaged good starting pitching near-completely.

The law of averages says the Cubs will not get as good of starting pitching in 2010. Especially with the cast of characters on hand.

The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.

by BLou on Jan 1, 2010 9:46 PM CST up reply actions  

the Cubs suck the life out of you, we fkin get it BLou

maybe you should stop paying attention to them and find a new hobbyv

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 1, 2010 9:47 PM CST up reply actions  

the law of averages also says

that the Cubs’ offense and defense will be better in 2010, as well. You can’t have it both ways.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jan 2, 2010 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

The number 75 is picked from thin air as a portent of doom

Don’t look for a lot of supporting analysis, other than “xxxxxx will go to hell in a handbasket in 2010.”

by ClarkFan on Jan 2, 2010 7:10 PM CST up reply actions  

By the way, 75 wins "tops" is about the dumbest projection I've ever heard...

This team is as likely to win 95 games as they are to win 75 games. And I don’t think they have much of a chance to win 95 games. So putting an estimate of 75 out there is pretty bad. And then saying that’s the “max” is even worse. That means you think this team will end up at what? 67 wins? 65?

This team has problems, but given their weak division and the degree to which their “problems” aren’t that huge, you’re blowing things out of proportion.

Chill…

by shawndgoldman on Jan 2, 2010 12:52 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

You're trying to counteract bombast with logic.

You should know that never works.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jan 2, 2010 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Loud, but not quie bombastic enough!

;-)

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jan 2, 2010 4:15 PM CST up reply actions  

quie=quite

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jan 2, 2010 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

You forgot to add

MINIMUM!

"Only a mediocre person is always at his best." ~W. Somerset Maugham

by Goodie1969 on Jan 2, 2010 5:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I assume as soon as the NHL season is over...

…you will be updating your signature with your “75 wins max” mantra?

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by ballhawk on Jan 2, 2010 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Jacque Jones is going to seem like Billy Williams compared to Marlon Byrd

This really is a nightmare come true. Jim Hendry gives a 4th outfielder a 3 year contract to pretend to play center field. The lineup card includes TWO potential left-handed bats folks…Kosuke “don’t call me So Taguchi” Fukudome and Mike “Papa Smurf” Fontenot. TWO.

The offense is going to be BAD. The defense is going to be BAD. The outfield is tied up on bad contracts until the next millenium. The bullpen is scary looking. The backend of the rotation is a derby between Silva, Gorzelanney and Samardizija.

75 wins ABSOLUTE max folks.

The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.

by BLou on Jan 1, 2010 5:34 PM CST reply actions  

So much for "Happy New Year", huh?

You must not enjoy sports very much.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jan 1, 2010 5:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think he enjoys anything very much

I have yet to see him make one positive post.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Jan 1, 2010 7:41 PM CST up reply actions  

He's made only a few.

I remember a positive post he made in the series at Colorado in August.

But I have seen hundreds of posts by him, and that was the only one that was actually positive. Other posters on BCB were acting as if Hell had frozen over when they saw his positive post.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 1, 2010 11:32 PM CST up reply actions  

he is the anti Ernie Banks

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 1, 2010 7:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Try "Unhappy New Year,"

Much like every day is with him.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 1, 2010 11:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah...

Most if not nearly all of his posts could be catagorized as “The Sky is Falling, The Sky is Falling”

- Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
- Germans?
- Forget it, he's rolling.

by Endrick on Jan 2, 2010 7:57 AM CST up reply actions  

The defense is going to be better than last year...

perhaps as much as 30 runs better, just from the OF moves.

I think you’re wrong about the 75 win projection. It could certainly happen, but I think this team is more like 84-win material at the moment.

by shawndgoldman on Jan 1, 2010 9:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Disagree

The lineup card could be frighteningly bad. There is no left-handed run production to speak of, which is highly problematic. Also, this is yet again a station to station lineup card.

What nobody and I mean nobody wants to talk about also is the bullpen. If Marmol can’t close then a potentially bad bullpen could turn out downright awful. Marmol, Guzman and Grabow followed by four open slots to be decided in spring training is not comforting to contemplate.

A back-end of the rotation that includes Gorzellaney, Silva, Samardizija as the principle combatants is not good. And God save the queen if Randy Wells turns back into his former non-prospect stuff or the aging Ted Lilly is less than his usual reliable 6 inning self upon his return.

75 wins MAX. It could be worse than that. As in 95 loss bad. They laughed at thoughts like this to enter the 2006 season too.

The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.

by BLou on Jan 1, 2010 9:41 PM CST up reply actions  

There was little LH run production in 2008.

Didn’t stop the offense from leading the NL in runs.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jan 1, 2010 9:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Al, you truly expect to get thru to him?

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 1, 2010 9:54 PM CST up reply actions  

No, of course not.

But I felt it needed a rebuttal.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jan 1, 2010 9:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Help me understand the virtues of the following lineup card and bench over 162 games..

1. Fukudome (until that is Lou moves Soriano back to leadoff to break up all the righties)
2. Theriot
3. Lee
4. Ramirez (the injuries have started to be chronic and you have worry about his standard of production level going forward)
5. Byrd (sigh)
6. Soriano (where o’ where do you hide him and his eroding bat speed?)
7. Baker or Fontenot (whoopie)
8 Hill and Soto

To be suppported by a “bench” that probably includes Fuld (sigh), Hoffpauir (sigh), Blanco (sigh) and Fontenot.

The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.

by BLou on Jan 1, 2010 9:59 PM CST up reply actions  

So full of $#(*

Aramis and his “chronic” injuries?

He hurt his shoulder last year. He never had any problems with it before and in the 3 years before last he appeared in over 90 % of possible games.

Do you even bother to question yourself before you type?

by CalCalender on Jan 1, 2010 10:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Cal, you

know the answer to that.

OK I don't know shit about basketball.

by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST

by sue369 on Jan 1, 2010 10:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Of course he doesn't.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 1, 2010 11:33 PM CST up reply actions  

why would he start now?

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 2, 2010 12:53 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not sure I'd call him chronically injured

But he’s had time off for shoulder, calf, back, wrist, knee, quad, ankle, groin… I think he had a problem or problems with that shoulder in Pitt too.

He sure seems a notch or two less than durable. He can hit though.

by ol Pete on Jan 2, 2010 9:17 AM CST up reply actions  

90 %

speaks for itself. He isn’t Cal Ripken Jr out there but you can depend on him to play his fair share of games.

by CalCalender on Jan 2, 2010 10:09 AM CST up reply actions  

What, you think he will actually listen to logic?

Not a chance.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 1, 2010 11:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Lee, Ramirez and Soriano are all a year older

Also, Soto was figured out. And alas, how did that wondrously right-handed one dimensional lineup card work when the playoffs came around against the Dodgers?

Sorry, but I won’t overrule what my head says on the matter. I’m looking hard for the silver linings and hope for this 2010 squad and don’t see it. Rather I see bad replay of 2006. Yes, I am starting to see a 95 loss type of ballclub.

The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.

by BLou on Jan 1, 2010 9:55 PM CST up reply actions  

You seriously believe that nonsense about RH hitters losing the 2008 playoffs?

Nonsense. This team is far better than the 2006 team.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jan 1, 2010 9:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Fundamentally disagree

The lineup card is scary one-dimensional. But that is not what really worries me the most. Nope, that would be reserved for the pitching staff. Cubs got suprisingly good production out of that rotation in 2009. Given the names on hand that is not likely to repeat itself, especially with Harden gone and Lilly getting older and rehabbing himself back to his old 6 inning self for probably the first half of the season. And like I said, all hell breaks lose if Wells turns back into a pumpkin.

Also, how can you look at that pen and feel good right now? The only two pitchers I feel reasonably confident in what to expect are Grabow and Marshall. The rest are a crapshoot, plus there are as many as 4 job openings.

The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.

by BLou on Jan 1, 2010 10:03 PM CST up reply actions  

A "one-dimensional" lineup led the NL in runs in 2008.

Would be nice if you took facts into the equation before you make your comments here.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 2, 2010 10:38 AM CST up reply actions  

It's not nonsense...

BLou does have a good point or two that he’s blowing out of proportion. The handedness of the lineup card IS a problem. Splits do exist, and in a short series they do matter. I’d like to see a left-handed hitter in there somewhere, but Granderson was the only legit option for that, and I’m guessing it would have required giving up Castro to top the Yankees’ offer for him.

by shawndgoldman on Jan 2, 2010 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Interestingly enough...

… had the Cubs kept the RH-heavy lineup, and faced the Dodgers in the 2009 playoffs (which they would have if they had been NL Central champs), they would have faced a pitching staff that was heavily lefthanded.

Put together a GOOD team and it shouldn’t matter what side they hit from.

As far as Granderson was concerned, I think the Tigers wanted a ML-ready CF in return, and the Cubs didn’t have that to give.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jan 2, 2010 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong...

it’s not the most important thing you can do for a team. You get the best players available. But if you have a lineup heavily tilted towards one side or the other and you have two roughly equal options use the handedness as the tiebreaker. In the case of Byrd, there wasn’t a good LH option on the market, so I’m fine with signing him. But I also think making an offer to Orlando Hudson (who seems to be a great clubhouse guy) would be a good idea. Baker is then your super-utility guy that can play almost every position and maybe even platoon with Fukudome. Fontenot is either a LH-bat off the bench or trade bait.

by shawndgoldman on Jan 2, 2010 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Again, I think that...

…. just throwing money at thirtysomething free agents because they’re there, is a wrongheaded philosophy.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jan 2, 2010 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Let's say

Hudson would take 4 M 1 yr – what would you rather do with that money? or that playing time? I think there are legit reasons not to take that deal, but I’m asking because it seems like there’s a growing embarassment at BCB that so much of the massive amount of profit the Cubs take in is going to payroll, and I just don’t get that. Shouldn’t fans be glad this money is going towards winning, and not just lining the pockets of the Trib?

"We’re going to come back here next year healthy and do what we’re supposed to do, and we’re going to be all right. That’s not Hendry’s fault. He thought it was the right move. It didn’t work out. But at the same time, he’s the same guy that put back-to-back championship teams together." - Aramis Ramirez

by DGU on Jan 2, 2010 6:46 PM CST up reply actions  

It's not because "they're there"

it’s because they’re a good fit for the team’s needs. The Cubs still need a high OBP guy Lou trusts at the top of the lineup, they could still use a left-handed bat (or switch hitter), and SS/2B are the only places to put that player. Hudson fits the mold.

by shawndgoldman on Jan 2, 2010 10:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd also like to see the Cubs offer Sheets a contract.

How about this for an offer?

1 year contract with $3M guaranteed and a team option for a 2nd year at $12M that can be bought out for $1M.
In year 1 of the deal, Sheets gets an additional $3M for every 10 starts he makes, including playoffs.
If Sheets makes more than 30 starts in year 1, the option vests and becomes a player option.

That’s a 1 year deal worth essentially $4M if Sheets doesn’t start a game. If he is healthy for a full season, it’s a 2-year, $24M deal. But in that case, the Cubs should make a playoff run and should have a shot at the extra dough to afford the contract.

by shawndgoldman on Jan 2, 2010 10:58 PM CST up reply actions  

That might actually work.

It doesn’t seem as if Sheets has a lot of offers out there. Maybe it’s worth exploring something like this.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jan 3, 2010 9:44 AM CST up reply actions  

I've changed my tune on this...

one of Baker and Fontenot should pan out OK. I still think they should go get a SP or RP (or both), but not a 2B.

by shawndgoldman on Jan 2, 2010 11:42 PM CST up reply actions  

It would also be reasonable to look at Ryan Church if he is healthy

Has hit decently when in good shape, can back up all three OF positions and do it pretty well. Wonder how much of 2009 was fallout from the Mets botching his concussion in 2008?

by ClarkFan on Jan 2, 2010 7:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Nor did it stop Jimbo from tinkering

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jan 1, 2010 10:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Jessica, I hope you saw this.

He has finally gone off after Lilly here.

I knew it was only a matter of time.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 2, 2010 10:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Go Rec it on the mountains

over the hills and everywhere…

"We’re going to come back here next year healthy and do what we’re supposed to do, and we’re going to be all right. That’s not Hendry’s fault. He thought it was the right move. It didn’t work out. But at the same time, he’s the same guy that put back-to-back championship teams together." - Aramis Ramirez

by DGU on Jan 2, 2010 6:48 PM CST up reply actions  

This one must turn green!

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 2, 2010 9:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Comment fail.

Hadn’t hit refresh in a while. This one, as it turns out, is already green.

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 2, 2010 9:45 PM CST up reply actions  

So, let me see if I get this straight:

Career averages: not counted.
Statistical projections: not counted.
Career-worst years: counted.

Update your Blue Mike scorecards, everyone.

Bound for New York City: January 6-9! Can't wait!

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 2, 2010 6:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Bad defense, bad offense, bad pitching. Bad, Cubbie, bad!

But maybe, “they’re bad, they’re bad, they’re nationwide.”

by ClarkFan on Jan 2, 2010 7:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Sooo...is it safe to say that Hendry is largely done making moves?

I sorta doubt Reed Johnson comes back at this point. Maybe Hendry picks up some spring training competition for utility infielder and the bullpen, but other than that is he done? I’m kinda thinkin’ yes.

The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.

by BLou on Jan 1, 2010 10:10 PM CST reply actions  

I'm reading that there's another pitching move to be made at least.

And I’d like to see another OF added – Ryan Church if he’s healthy.

"We’re going to come back here next year healthy and do what we’re supposed to do, and we’re going to be all right. That’s not Hendry’s fault. He thought it was the right move. It didn’t work out. But at the same time, he’s the same guy that put back-to-back championship teams together." - Aramis Ramirez

by DGU on Jan 1, 2010 10:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Getting Rudy

might prove to be the most important move we made this offseason.

by Adam U on Jan 3, 2010 12:28 PM CST reply actions  

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