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Ticket prices that hide the truth.

I am very disappointed at the handling of ticket prices and the phony way in which the Cubs make it appear many prices are less. The 5%-10% or more increases on season ticket holders is pretty steep but what really upsets me is the phony way they did it. They double the number of platinum games and separate out the tax to make it APPEAR as if many prices have gone down. Now technically if you only went to ONE big weekend game in the summer , the price went down a little for some seats but since so many more games are now more expensive that pretty much only works for one shot folks. However the bigger scam is the tax issue. Does anyone know of any other entity in the United States that charges the tax for an entertainment event separately ? Movies, sporting events, theater et ALL INCLUDE THE TAX in the round number for the ticket. The Cubs want you to believe that since the "price" of many tickets is listed as lower they went down but you add in the tax and many went up. I can't wait to see the signs at the ticket windows. I suspect they will not include the tax but just say at the bottom " city tax of 12% not included". Even better for the few folks left who pay CASH, imagine the fun of making change at the windows. For new ownership that promised to be fan friendly and look out for the little guy this policy sucks. If you need to raise the prices 5%-10% or higher than do it HONESTLY don't hide it in hidden fees to make yourselves look better.



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If the Cubs were serious about cracking down on scalpers

They could have started years ago with their own season ticket holders. They know very well that a large number of season ticket holders especially those in the most expensive seats are brokers. One year the Cubs mistakenly sent me someone else tickets , which consisted of over 20 seats broken up in 6 parts of the Club and field boxes in groups of 2 and 4. They went to an individual not to a company. Who exactly would be using 20 seats per season in the most expensive sections ? I was probably one of the last season ticket holders to sell any of my extras for more than face value despite the fact that I don’t live in Chicago and end up using no more then 15 or so games myself. I did it mostly because the Cubs made it harder and harder to sell them at face value ( if you resell on stubhub or through the Cubs old system you HAVE to mark up roughly 30% just to get back what you paid). I still sell most of my extras to friends, BCB folks and people I meet. After the Cubs “premium tickets” scam was exposed I said screw it and sold 10-15 big games at a mark up to cover my airfare. In any event that ship has sailed. With MLB endorsing scalping via Stubhub the Cubs can’t stop it if they wanted to. One thing they COULD to though which other teams have done is set up a small area outside of Wrigley where people withe extra tickets could sell them at FACE VALUE to fans who want to buy them. This has to be set up like the day of game returns where the buyer must immediately enter the park but it is not that hard to arrange. This way people selling tickets at face value don’t have to choose between being arrested and selling them to broker who can scalp them legally.

In any event the “hidden” tax still sucks and makes the Cubs unique among entertainment companies in a way that not exactly
fan friendly.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Dec 5, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

good rant

and I believe that the Cubs own a ticket brokerage as welll, but from themselves and sell them at the mark up rate, I am not 100% sure but I swear I heard/read about this before

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 5, 2009 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

The reason other teams may have set up...

areas outside the park for face value sales are to either find a way to weed out counterfeit tickets or enforce scalping laws. Teams and cities also have to determine how much resources are going to be invested to enforce various laws. Its one thing to pass laws. Its a completely different thing to enforce them.

I didn’t expect ticket prices to go down or even stay level; at least for the tickets that I buy from a ST holder.

Honestly now, if someone has a chance to sell tickets above face value and there are vehicles in place to do so, there is nothing wrong with that. Supply and demand dictates everything.

Lastly, the tax is not hidden. It’s been printed on the tickets for years. I’ve been intrigued by the fact the team sets a price such that when the tax is added, it comes out to nice round number.

Just win the next game...!

by blackhawk24 on Dec 8, 2009 6:39 AM CST up reply actions  

The round number thing...

… obviously, makes it easier for sales purposes, especially in the pre-credit card era. Would you want your ticket takers to have to handle pennies?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 8, 2009 7:49 AM CST up reply actions  

They can't - it's illegal

It’s a violation of a city ordinance to sell tickets within a certain number of yards of any sports venue, for ANY value, without a broker’s license. It’s a classic City of Chicago scam to sell the licenses.

Tell me what other government would ban the resale of tickets on the street for UNDER face value!

This also keeps secondary prices artificially high, since brokers control the entire market and can easily collude.

by Ryan D on Dec 10, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Have the Cubs actually said ticket prices are lower?

The only quotes I’ve seen are from Crane Kenney and he was pretty straightforward. He said nothing about prices being lower. Increased the number of premium games and raised prices on the good seats by $2-5. Acknowledged a lot of season-ticket holders resell their tickets to the big games in order to help pay for their seats and said Cubs were fine with that. That’s why the higher prices were on those seats and they were able to keep rest of seats about the same.

As for the tax issue, I don’t know how it looks on an invoice, but on the pdf document Al posted yesterday, it wasn’t hidden at all. It was prominently displayed in its own column. How is that a scam? Sure some of the ticket prices listed are lower than last year, but that’s because last year the tax was part of the ticket price – this year, it’s broken out. What part of that is hard to understand? Just look at the total price if you want to compare this year to last year.

Show me a quote from a Cubs official saying that ticket prices are lower than last year (only because they’ve broken out the tax) and then I’ll consider your scam argument more seriously.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Dec 5, 2009 1:07 PM CST reply actions  

There was another quote somewhere...

…. and I can’t find it now, that said ticket prices would be “rounded”. I assume this would mean for single-game buyers, so that the people at the ticket windows don’t have to handle pennies.

I’m with you, ballhawk. It’s not a scam. In fact, it may be a ‘screw you’ to the city because the Cubs want everyone to know how much the tax is.

For anyone who thinks this tax is new, they are incorrect. Amusement tax has been charged for decades in Chicago. It may have been increased slightly, but this is nothing new.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 5, 2009 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Per below Al

If the box office and on line price lists a bleacher at say $65.80 than I agree they may just want to say screw you to the city but
if not I think they want to say "screw you’ to Cub fans. Any reason they should be the first place in the US to break down pricing this way ?

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Dec 5, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

FWIW: In Germany all prices for private customers must include all taxes

Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -

by eths on Dec 5, 2009 6:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Right, but that's the law in most European countries.

The VAT in those countries makes buying stuff much easier — you know exactly what you’re paying before you buy it.

Wish it were that easy here.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 5, 2009 6:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Including the tax in the price "hides" the tax from consumers...

… and allows governments to raise taxes more easily, since people have no idea their total tax burden.

It’s just like with income tax withholding in the U.S. If people had to write a check at the end of the year, there would be a revolution.

by Ryan D on Dec 10, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Obvously season ticket holders who get invoices realize prices went up

but if you are just a fan and see the price of a ticket at $52 that used to be $60 you think oh price went down. Why is it that no other entity in the entire COUNTRY counts the tax separately when pricing a ticket ? Why break it down at all ? If the cost of the ticket is 63,55 instead of $52 ( and that is not exact t math) just list it that way. Tell you what if when the tickets go on sale to the public the online price and price posted at the box office lists the EXACT price with the tax then I will take it all back but I am not holding my breath. Basically when people buy a ticket to a movie, play, sporting event etc directly from the owner or their rep, the
tax has ALWAYS been included, the only reason to list it separately is to make it appear like you are paying less.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Dec 5, 2009 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

You know...

… you’re funny when you get all mad about something. I don’t think this is a scam, or anything of the sort. Is it confusing? Yes. Scam? No.

If I were you I’d save my righteous anger for something that’s worth angry about.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 5, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

BEING angry about.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 5, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Um I have one.

I have had high blood pressure for years but I don’t blame the Cubs.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Dec 5, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Me too. But I DO blame the Cubs... ;)

Now only 12,859 on the "Cubs Season Tickets Waiting List"...

by Zeke on Dec 5, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Ok not scam

but VERY deceptive. For people coming on the image of friend of the average fan I can think of better ways to do this than use misleading stats to claim prices are not really increasing. Kenny said prices will remain the same on 50% of the stock and that is simply NOT TRUE. Again if you want to raise prices OK but be honest about it and don’t play 3 card monty with the pricing structure.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Dec 5, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with you, but...

… seriously, there are other things you could get worked up about.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 5, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Well too early to do any rants about Fuld

If the Cubs really want to win my approval they could switch from Pepsi to Coke.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Dec 5, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I hope they dont trade Fuld

until next December to give us something to discuss during the boring stretch of winter

/sarcasm

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 5, 2009 5:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Personally, I wish we would see a lot more of this sort of thing.

I would imagine that taxpayers would be in for a shock if we knew exactly how much we’re actually paying for products and how much goes towards taxes.

That being said, I doubt the Cubs are doing this as a public service to create awareness. :P

"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin

by davidalanu on Dec 7, 2009 5:02 PM CST up reply actions  

It might shock in many places but not Chicago

where the SALES tax at 10 1/4 % is already the highest in the country.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Dec 7, 2009 6:24 PM CST up reply actions  

there is also extra sales tax

if you buy junk food like cokes etc. I want to say I had like 12.5% tax on some stuff I bought at Walgreens last summer when I was in town.

by LT on Dec 7, 2009 8:35 PM CST up reply actions  

The best part is how they define the "junk" FOOD.

A Kit Kat is taxed as FOOD which is very low maybe a few percent, a snickers is taxed at 12.5%. Do you know why ? Because a Kit Kat contains a small amount of flour hence it is FOOD.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Dec 8, 2009 7:34 AM CST up reply actions  

It does suck to double the number of premium

games in this economy but I guess they figure people in financial trouble won’t be sitting in the best seats behind the dugout anyway. Having once worked for the SEC I’m always on the lookout for UofC business school grads taking part in nefarious deeds, and there’s no shortage of them to keep me entertained, but on this one, I’ll give them a pass.

But keep an eye on these guys.

by the nth on Dec 5, 2009 1:24 PM CST reply actions  

Good news for those on the waiting list

The article says that 700 more season tickets will the market mostly from the stock held by Trib employees.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Dec 5, 2009 1:27 PM CST reply actions  

Great!

Then I go down to 37,000 on the list!

by ak123 on Dec 5, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

If you have $15.000 or more to spare

I am betting most of those are boxes however the Cubs will first offer them to existing season ticket holders so if there are some super rich folks in the Terrace or Upper Deck boxes etc they may move and open up some slightly less pricey seats.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Dec 5, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Nah

I don’t live in Chicago for the time being but by the time I get season tickets I will. As for boxes, I don’t want to sound like a snob but I have a family friend who would give me free box seats whenever I’m in Chicago so I don’t forsee spending any money on them for the time being.

by ak123 on Dec 5, 2009 6:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I might be close to 10,000 now

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 5, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I signed my mom up two weeks ago just to see where it was

She is 112,128

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Dec 5, 2009 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

WOW

Are we able to will our place in line to family members?

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 5, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

No, but...

… maybe they’ll sell PSL’s on the waiting list.

Joke! That was a joke! (Right?)

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 5, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions  

the worst kinds of prophecies

are the ones that are funny.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Dec 5, 2009 5:15 PM CST up reply actions  

why not charge an annual fee of $10 to stay on the waiting list

and the money is later applied to season tix when purchased. this would allow for some additional revenue to be used for the Cubs, as well as knock off many so i can jump up (possible a few thousand spots if enough wont pay it)

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 5, 2009 5:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Calling all saber-economists!!!

What’s the optimum price break to maximize waiting-list revenue for the Cubs? i.e. as you raise the PWLL price, how many people would still stay on the list?

Roughly 112,000 people on the list, so…
$1 x ______ people = $______
$10 x ______ people = $______
$100 x ______ people = $______
$1000 x ______ people = $______

C’mon Shawn, Ivy, DGU… what’s the magic number?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Dec 5, 2009 5:31 PM CST up reply actions  

If they charged $100 to stay on the list...

… and half the people dropped off as a result, they still make $5.5 million ($100 × 55,000) a year. They could give those people the rights to buy a small number of tickets ahead of the public sale.

I’m surprised they haven’t thought of this.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 5, 2009 6:09 PM CST up reply actions  

should i trademark my idea?

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 5, 2009 6:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know if you can....

… but what the heck, give it a shot.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 5, 2009 8:19 PM CST up reply actions  

at $10 a year

i think it would be reasonable, and if the monies were applied towards your future ST (and you are allowed to transfer ownership now due to making payments towards them) it would generate a good amount of money to help with salaries, etc.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 5, 2009 8:32 PM CST up reply actions  

At $10 a year....

… you’d probably get virtually everyone on the list to do it, which would generate over $1 million. Even at $20 you’d probably get almost everyone to do it.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 6, 2009 8:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Sorry Mom is NOT paying $10 to stay on the list

and my guess is anyone past 25,000 would not to do it either UNLESS instead of being a way for the Cubs to make money , the $10 went to Cubs Care.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Dec 6, 2009 9:48 AM CST up reply actions  

If the $10 bought you a place in line to buy tickets ahead of everyone else?

Maybe your mom wouldn’t. But 99.9999% of everyone else would.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 6, 2009 9:59 AM CST up reply actions  

I am confused to what you are suggesting

$10 to stay on the season ticket list or $10 to jump the line for when tickets go on sale every year. or both ?

I

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Dec 6, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Both.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 6, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

mine is to stay on the list

and the money goes towards your future ST Cost. So if you are paying in for 10 years, there is a $100 credit to your ticket price (maybe 90 and the Cubs charge $1 annual for admin fees).

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 6, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

That's not a bad idea, either.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 6, 2009 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

thats what i said originally

and I am sure something like that would be more likely to fly with fans on the waiting list, while generating some immediate cash to use for upgrades or salary, etc.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 6, 2009 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

possibly

even a lot more because 55,000 names X however many tickets that 1 person wants (1,2, 4?)

by cubbot on Dec 5, 2009 10:56 PM CST up reply actions  

We had a really long thread about this issue a year ago

And Al, you were completely against charging, as were most.

I’m glad to see your capitalist urges have become more pronounced over 2009!

by Ryan D on Dec 10, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Bare minimum $100

$1k may be a bit steep but a few hundred bucks easy.

As long as there is a list AND they play to 98% capacity, the money is all gravy.

Just win the next game...!

by blackhawk24 on Dec 9, 2009 9:10 AM CST up reply actions  

$10 a person = 1 MB season

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 5, 2009 5:52 PM CST reply actions  

reply fail

meant to ballhawk above

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 5, 2009 5:52 PM CST up reply actions  

One Megabyte ???

Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -

by eths on Dec 5, 2009 6:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Milton Bradley

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 5, 2009 6:08 PM CST up reply actions  

if you think about it....

MegaByte does kinda describe MB’s season… ;-)

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Dec 5, 2009 7:36 PM CST up reply actions  

touche

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 5, 2009 7:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I couldn't agree more with Doggie Stalker

THIS is the real smoke and mirrors:

In 2009 my tickets for the platinum games were $45 each. That was inclusive of an 11% ($4.95) amusement tax. So that means the non-tax value of the ticket was $40.05.

In 2010 my tickets for the platinum games are $42 each—WITHOUT the tax. That’s almost a 5% increase in the non-tax portion of the ticket. Where do the Cubs come out and say that? Nowhere!

The Gold and Silver games are pretty much unchanged (Gold is a .12% decrease. Silver is a .32% increase.) But given that the quantity of Platinum games in our plan almost doubled (from 10 to 19), THAT’s where the real shell game is taking place.

The bottom line is that this is a deceptive practice. Hopefully it’s not a sign of things to come with this management regime.

Eamus Catuli!

by wrigley_boy on Dec 6, 2009 6:39 AM CST reply actions  

I'm not defending this practice, but...

… clearly, they did NOT hide the fact that they increased the number of platinum games. You’re right, that’s the real increase.

Since you have a partial plan, the way you calculate the increase is different from the way those of us who have full-season plans calculate it.

My total price comes to about 5% more than last year. Some people’s increase — like yours — is higher. Personally, if I were Tom Ricketts, I wouldn’t have done this, because as you say, it does SEEM deceptive.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 6, 2009 8:49 AM CST up reply actions  

What's deceptive about it?

They broke out the tax and put it right there in front of you. Yes. it’s different (the breaking out the tax part) but how is it deceptive when it’s in plain sight?

Did anyone from the Cubs say they lowered ticket prices? Was there something in your packet that said “Last year your platinum games were $45 but this year, we lowered the price to $42!” Now that would be deceptive.

The closest they came to deception was the timing of this announcement, but anyone who’s spent any time in Chicago knows that issuing “bad news” press releases on a late Friday afternoon is a time-honored tradition here in the Windy City. That’s just the way things are done around here.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Dec 6, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Precisely.

Rec’d.

For anyone who doesn’t think they paid this tax before, the tax has been printed separately on my season tickets since at least 1997. I found a box office ticket from last year (for the Iowa Cubs game) and it clearly says “Price incl. 12% city/county tax”.

The amusement tax has been charged in Chicago for ALL kinds of tickets — concerts, theater, sporting events — for decades. This is the first time I can remember a team splitting it out this way.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 6, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

how many teams have ticket price tiers like the Cubs?

I know Houston doesnt, and their tickets are MUCH less for an 83 game ticket package (includes two preseason games at MMF)

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 6, 2009 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I think most teams are doing it now

St. Louis and Cincinnati (last two road games I went to did) – and don’t the Sox too?

by doofus cubs guy on Dec 6, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Go look at the Mets' ticket tiers.

You will NOT be able to figure them out.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 6, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not arguing the tax itself

I get that. I acknowledge that we’ve paid it since we got our tickets in 2003. What bothers me is that in Crane Kenney’s letter he states the following two things:

1) “For 2010, we did raise ticket prices in our most desired locations.” From that, I infer Club Box, Field Box, etc. NOT Terrace Reserved. I don’t think that was an honest statement in terms of which prices were raised.

2) “As the amusement taxes you pay have increased over time, including again for 2010, we have broken out the amusement tax portion of your season ticket invoice so you know where your resources are going.” From that, I infer that the Cubs think they’re breaking it out as a favor to season ticket holders. However, because it’s so vague, it gives the impression (to me) that the Cubs are hiding the aforementioned 5% increase behind the broken out tax.

Look… This isn’t going to make or break whether I renew the tickets. I still will. My main point here is I just think that the new management regime could have been more open, honest and direct about the ticket price increases and how the taxes factored into that.

Eamus Catuli!

by wrigley_boy on Dec 6, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Based on the two quotes you pulled from Kenney's letter....

… they did exactly that.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 6, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I want to see how this plays out

for on line purchases in particular. The Cubs are now the ONLY entertainment entity ( Sports, theater, movies) that is counting the tax seperately. Does this mean when someone goes on line to purchase they will see a ticket prices at $42 or
$46.44 ( not exact but you get the idea) or a rounded off number ? I am going to assume that signs at the box office and anything with prices lists the price WITH tax at least in the END column but I remain skeptical.
As I have written I am not thrilled with my increase but I would be less upset if they just said hey your tickets went up instead of claiming as they have that 50% of the ticket “stock” remained at the same price or less because that is a lie.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Dec 6, 2009 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I think I read somewhere that it will be rounded off.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 6, 2009 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I saw that as well but the key remains

How will these prices be posted on line and at the box office ? I assume they will just say the usual complete price
say $46.50 rounded off with the standard “tax included” in the small print. I think anything else would be deceptive to the genaral public and I would still love to know how the Cubs can claim that only the most expensive seats were increased or that half the stock is the same or less than last year.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Dec 6, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, when you're at the convention, you can ask that of Crane Kenney.

Do that and report back here with his answer and I will personally deliver a Big Gulp to the bleacher season ticket holder entrance next year on a game day we’re both at Wrigley.

And if you ask Lou why he played Scales over Fox & Fuld last year and report back with the answer, that’ll get you another Big Gulp.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Dec 6, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Lou never answers much of anything

but I can always try.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Dec 6, 2009 6:20 PM CST up reply actions  

They'll see the final price first

Larger font, bold numerals.

This whole thing is nothing more than a team twisting words around a little bit and setting some folks off because of it.

I said it before: When a team draws something like 98% of capacity they can do whatever they want with ticket prices. Go see what teams are doing that play to 48% or 68% of capacity. Think this issue is playing out? No; many teams wish they’d have this problem.

Just win the next game...!

by blackhawk24 on Dec 8, 2009 6:46 AM CST up reply actions  

OT: Anyone know...

…if the Dodgers would be a premium date? I’m planning my trip this May and I dont wanna pay through the nose. Thanks!

"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie"

by calicubfan on Dec 7, 2009 7:41 PM CST reply actions  

According to the schedule they sent...

… the first two Dodger dates (5/25 and 5/26) are platinum dates, the third (5/27, a day game) is a gold date.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 7, 2009 9:15 PM CST up reply actions  

This is great, great news.

“Premium” ticket pricing, like all forms of price discrimination, help the team capture more of the value of their product on the field — and in ways that don’t include eyesores like the new billboard. This is a good thing for fans. I know it appears that you are paying more to attend “premium” games, but in reality, you aren’t. Its the same either way, the only differences are in the form the cost takes, and the parties that benefit from it.

Look, the team (and, frankly, every team that now prices this way) correctly figured out that the true market value of a Cubs ticket depends upon a lot of different things besides just the location of the seat. The date on which the game is played, the time of day, the opponent, etc., all have predictable effects on the ticket’s perceived value. Before they used premium game pricing, the extra value of the more attractive games just went to scalpers. The fans who were there all still “paid” that extra value — either b/c they bought from a scalper, or b/c they passed up the chance to sell their tickets to a scalper for a profit — but the team got none of that additional value. Now by raising the price on the most desirable games, the team is just making sure it gets its slice of that revenue. If season ticket holders don’t want to pay the premium to attend those games, they can still sell them to a broker or on Stub Hub. If they do, then by keeping the tickets they’re internalizing a more appropriate estimate of the cost of that game. Either way, it captures more of the value of the ticket for the team, and lets them put a better product on the field.

I love that they are doing this. All Cubs fans should love it.

by Orval Overall on Dec 8, 2009 11:51 AM CST reply actions  

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