No idea if this is accurate: ...signing of Mike Cameron is waiting on the Cubs trading Bradley, which has been "imminent" for 72 hours...

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Well, Will Carroll has been wrong before.

Let’s hope he’s right this time.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 6, 2009 4:20 PM CST reply actions

Would rather have

Granderson .. Cameron is getting old and TOO many strikeouts .. only a temporary fix because of age . But I have to admit it would not cost us any prospects . But it’s only one to two years .. Granderson would cost the Cubs prospects but IMO he is a lot better than Cameron also Granderson would be part of the Cubs core for years to come

by CUBFANINAZ on Dec 6, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions

Granderson may not be available.

Thus the Cameron idea.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 6, 2009 4:41 PM CST up reply actions

Yes Al

Cameron would be option #2 IMO .. Then in a year or two look again to see the options in centerfield for the Cubs . Long term goals vs. short term goals

by CUBFANINAZ on Dec 6, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions

Hey, my original idea

was to get both Granderson AND Cameron.

Not that it was all that realistic…

Is he traded yet?

by DGU on Dec 6, 2009 5:27 PM CST up reply actions

Granderson...

…K’s his ass off as well.

I also think he is a tad overrated.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Dec 6, 2009 11:56 PM CST up reply actions

Hope story is half right

Bradley gone .. He was a mistake … Now bury it and move on

by CUBFANINAZ on Dec 6, 2009 4:28 PM CST reply actions

Irony?

the last time we had a player who was to sign once a tr ade was completed by the Cubs……Bradley

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 6, 2009 4:40 PM CST reply actions

The most telling fact in the article

Bradley has the same agent as Todd F. Hundley.

Fontenot (fon-te-no): Cajun for "scrappy"

by cubzfan on Dec 6, 2009 4:41 PM CST reply actions

Good.

Maybe his trade can get us as good a return as that one did.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 6, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions

Karros and Grudz today

for MB and I might still be interested in it

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 6, 2009 4:52 PM CST up reply actions

I don't know.

Heyman says today that we are not getting anywhere on a deal:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/12/06/milton.bradley/index.html

I think it is becoming more and more likely he is a Cub in 2010.

by JimboJet on Dec 6, 2009 4:54 PM CST reply actions

Where do you draw that conclusion?

Just because a deal isn’t being made rightthisfreakingminute?

I swear, the patience level of some here is about three seconds.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 6, 2009 5:02 PM CST up reply actions

Patience has nothing to do with it.

I just think that we won’t find any takers for him, or, if we do, we end up with a worse option.

I could definitely be wrong, but that is just how the story has unfolded to me over the past few months.

by JimboJet on Dec 6, 2009 5:32 PM CST up reply actions

Well, you posted a link saying the Cubs are in a holding pattern...

… and assumed that meant he’d be a Cub in 2010. I disagree.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 6, 2009 6:13 PM CST up reply actions

I would normally agree regarding the patience...

But in this case, the Cubs need to move MB ASAP. Once the non-tenders hit the market, it may be nearly impossible to move him.

by fsuapollo on Dec 6, 2009 6:44 PM CST up reply actions

I'm not so sure about that.

I think once Bay and Holliday come off the market, we might find an extra team or two interested in Bradley, and a team with bigger pockets. The only possible non-tender with upside even close to Bradley’s was already traded to Boston.

Is he traded yet?

by DGU on Dec 6, 2009 6:52 PM CST up reply actions

That said,

I don’t think we get to that point because Jim doesn’t want to wait around and have Bradley hanging over this offseason for months.

Is he traded yet?

by DGU on Dec 6, 2009 6:52 PM CST up reply actions

Could be.

Certainly there won’t be too many “quality bats” available… I just figured teams might be more likely to scrape up a Brian Giles, Jermaine Dye, Vlad, Nick Johnson, Nady, etc., for a lower price and fewer headaches even if less production.

But your point may very well work out… of course as you note, hopefully we don’t get to that point.

by fsuapollo on Dec 6, 2009 7:02 PM CST up reply actions

Curious - when you do your mental calculations on "upside"...

…do you just base it on MB’s talent or do you take into account his (ahem) somewhat checkered past?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Dec 6, 2009 7:20 PM CST up reply actions

Well

MB could always grow up. That’s a lot easier to do, you could argue, than to learn to hit a slider. But I definitely include MB’s checkered past in his sizable downside.

Is he traded yet?

by DGU on Dec 6, 2009 7:32 PM CST up reply actions

Agree Al

Can we see how the meetings work out. MB will not be a Cub this coming year.M-80’s, TNT, dynamite, and an old fashion gattling gun has been used on this bridge.
Lets see how things unfold.

by Grockcubs on Dec 6, 2009 6:52 PM CST up reply actions

I'd much rather sign Cameron than Marlon Byrd

Obviously, Granderson would be better since he is younger and is more proven than Byrd. I don’t trust Byrd outside Arlington — even though Rudy is here now — but we were saying the same thing a few years ago about another guy who had had a career year in Arlington before Jim Hendry “overpaid” for him.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Dec 6, 2009 5:42 PM CST reply actions

Good point on Byrd-DeRo

For me it’s all about various costs, especially in years – and that’s stuff we don’t know.

Is he traded yet?

by DGU on Dec 6, 2009 5:55 PM CST up reply actions

Except Byrd would be cheaper

I really don’t like either option. I just don’t see them as a missing piece. Soriano and Cameron back-to-back in a lineup don’t inspire confidence to me.

by rlpete on Dec 6, 2009 7:50 PM CST up reply actions

Can somebody give us a quick and dirty comparison between

Bryd and Cameron defensively? After seeing what Byrd’s done over the past three years, albeit in Texas, I wouldn’t mind him on a one or two year deal. For his career, he’s about as effective vs. righties or lefties, and for the past three years, he’s actually been better vs. righties. If the only real options are RH for CF, this is somewhat important since once again they will be overweighted with RH batters

"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin

by davidalanu on Dec 7, 2009 6:28 AM CST up reply actions

Byrd is more than adequate in CF.

He’s certainly better than Dome. However, Cameron is still a near GG CF — Byrd can’t hold his jock defensively.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Dec 7, 2009 10:14 PM CST up reply actions

The odd thing about this rumor

is that Hendry has been talking about wanting to play the trade market. If after trading MB, he just signs Cameron – what playing of the trade market does he plan to do?

Is he traded yet?

by DGU on Dec 6, 2009 7:16 PM CST reply actions

I think going after another starter would be a safe bet

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Dec 6, 2009 7:23 PM CST up reply actions

bullpen

by elgato on Dec 6, 2009 7:38 PM CST up reply actions

trade for Fox

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 6, 2009 10:09 PM CST up reply actions

Might I interest you in...

Chad Fox? :-p

by CubsWin!Oregon on Dec 7, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions

sure

4 years 40 M front loaded, NTC work?

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 7, 2009 10:32 PM CST up reply actions

I was thinking 8 years...

so maybe we can split the difference. :) Chad would also like box seats to the WS and a $4 million bonus for when he wins the Cy Young.

by CubsWin!Oregon on Dec 8, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions

So -

Would you make this trade:
Bradley and cash to cover his entire contract for Jordan Scafer?

Is he traded yet?

by DGU on Dec 6, 2009 7:33 PM CST reply actions

I'd do that

I don’t think Atlanta would, though. At some point, they’d be better off with McLouth in a corner role. Add in that they are in the start of their next core, and I don’t think they’d deal any critical chips away. After all, they could simply sign, say, Mike Cameron, and get what they are looking for (some right handed power to hit in the bottom half of the lineup). Do I think they’d be tempted by the idea? Perhaps, but I just don’t know if Bradley and cash is enough for them to pull the trigger.

by toonsterwu on Dec 6, 2009 7:53 PM CST up reply actions

same, I agree

Schafer would fit well, but would Cox want Bradley?

Wrigley Bound in the Summer of 2010

by Chanman25 on Dec 6, 2009 8:37 PM CST up reply actions

Bobby Cox wouldn't touch Gameboard

with a telephone pole while wearing an asbestos spacesuit.

I do think the Braves would part with Schafer in the right deal.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Dec 7, 2009 10:17 PM CST up reply actions

I'm not sold that the combination of the two things will happen that quickly

Simply put, I think it makes little sense for Mike Cameron to sign that quickly. He might as well wait and see what happens with other situations, namely, the Yankees, but perhaps another team starts to show interest.

by toonsterwu on Dec 6, 2009 7:55 PM CST reply actions

You really are...

underestimating the Piniella – Cameron connection.

by Damen Jackson on Dec 6, 2009 8:18 PM CST up reply actions

Am I underestimating it

if I hope Cameron is so eager to play for Lou that he pulls a Dawson and offers a blank one- year contract?

Is he traded yet?

by DGU on Dec 6, 2009 8:22 PM CST up reply actions

No..

Not sure I see the comparison though. In this case, there’s mutual respect, and a desire on both sides to have him here. In Dawson’s case, well…

by Damen Jackson on Dec 6, 2009 8:31 PM CST up reply actions

Nevermind..

I get what you’re saying now.

by Damen Jackson on Dec 6, 2009 8:34 PM CST up reply actions

I am?

I’m simply saying that I think it is in Cameron’s best interest to see where the market stands. I mean, if we want to talk about connections, another one of the teams he’s been rumored with, the Angels, have one of his best friends in baseball (IIRC) in Torii Hunter (sure, it makes little sense for Cameron to go there, but there have been some rumors on that).

by toonsterwu on Dec 6, 2009 8:41 PM CST up reply actions