Doug Harvey And Whitey Herzog Elected To Hall Of Fame

The Veterans Committee this year was charged with selecting umpires, managers, executives and pioneers (players are next year).

Marvin Miller, who revolutionized the game as head of the players union, failed to get enough votes. Harvey and Herzog will be inducted next summer.

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What the hell do the Veterans have against Marvin Miller?

He made them money.

The Veterans are idiots.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Dec 7, 2009 10:01 AM CST reply actions

I'm guessing...

…. the players on that committee voted for him, and the non-players didn’t.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 7, 2009 10:05 AM CST up reply actions

Very true

by TJ11 on Dec 7, 2009 10:10 AM CST up reply actions

Here's this from a Jerry Crasnick (ESPN) column he wrote last week in support of Miller

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The 12-person committee, scheduled to convene in Indianapolis next weekend, will vote on Miller, Gene Autry, Ewing Kauffman and seven other former owners or management people on an all-encompassing “executive” ballot. It will take nine votes, or 75 percent, for a candidate to be elected.

The column is a good read. Miller is 92, not-so-good health (understandable at that age), and for some time now has asked the HoF to remove his name from the ballot. Interesting quotes/perspective from Reggie Jackson and Red Barber as well…

Oh, and here’s a twitter update this morning:

jcrasnick: Miller got votes from all three writers, Seaver and Robin Roberts, and two of the seven executives on the committe. 7 of 12 — fell 2 short

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Dec 7, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions

Yep, as expected....

… the executives didn’t vote for him. Stupid. Regardless of how they felt about him, his impact on the game is undeniable.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 7, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions

Oh, and here's who's actually on the committee

from the same article

It consists of three baseball writers (Hal McCoy, Rick Hummel and Phil Pepe), two Hall of Fame players (Tom Seaver and Robin Roberts) and seven members of the ownership-front office fraternity (Bill Giles, Bill DeWitt, Andy MacPhail, John Harrington, John Schuerholz, Jerry Bell and David Glass)

So the guessing game is… which two executives voted for Miller? I’d say MacPhail is one of them – I’d like to think that as a 3rd generation baseball guy, he’d have a historical perspective on how Miller changed the game. Of course, Giles has some family history in the game as well and he strikes me as someone who would try to squash Miller at every turn.

Anyway, I’d go with MacPhail and Schuerholz.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Dec 7, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions

Yep.

I think you have it nailed.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 7, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions

Is Joe Morgan still running that show?

by TJ11 on Dec 7, 2009 10:10 AM CST reply actions

I can somewhat stomach Herzog

But the VC is mostly irrelevant now for its inability to elect living players.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Dec 7, 2009 11:05 AM CST reply actions

If you didn't get....

To see Whitey’s interview on the mlb network this morning, go find it. Very entertaining and he slips alot of opinions in throughout the interview on things he would like to see. Very honest man and I don’t think he’s ever forgotten a day or person in his life. I could listen to him for hours! They even asked him about McGwire!

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Dec 7, 2009 1:17 PM CST reply actions

Herzog - Very Deserving

He managed 6 division winners, 3 league winners, and the 1982 world champion Cardinals. He had to endure losing both the 1976 and 1977 AL pennants to the Yankees in the 9th inning of the fifth and final game of the ALCS both years, while he was managing Kansas City. Oh, yeah, there was that 1985 World Series that his Cardinals lost to the Royals in tough fashion. I thought Whitey Ball was disgustingly entertaining back in the 1980’s because it was entertaining but disgusted me because it helped the Cardinals win 3 pennants. That play where Ron Cey was griping about a call at third base, while Coleman and McGee stole 2 bases each on the same play still disgusts me.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Dec 7, 2009 3:12 PM CST reply actions

Strangest play I've ever seen live

Would love to find video of that play, memory has all the lead-footed, big booty Cubs (Cey, Jody Davis, Sutcliffe, maybe Moreland, Lee Smith and Don Zimmerman) chasing Coleman and McGee in run downs.

Also, I thought the Harry Caray quote was, “The FAT possum SLEEPS late”…or is that only after many Budweisers?

"I'd rather hit home runs you don't have to run as hard." -- Dave Kingman

by BucknerKongCardenal on Dec 8, 2009 11:19 PM CST up reply actions

Kudos to Whitey Herzog

The White Rat was a tremendous manager. I spent the late 70’s and 80’s watching his teams wreak havoc in Kansas City and later St. Louis. Herzog could flat out manage and revolutionized the game in ways that originally earned him scorn, to include his focus on speed up and down the lineup along with a heavy reliance on a set-up man and a closer.

The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.

by BLou on Dec 7, 2009 7:45 PM CST reply actions

I'm not surprised by Doug Harvey.

He was truly one of the greats as far as umpires go. I miss the old days of separate NL and AL umpires. There are too many now, that you don’t get to know them as well as you used to. Of course there are those like Country Joe West, Dana DeMuth, Ed Raparano, Ed Montague, Balking Bob Davidson, Jerry Crawford, and a few others who have been around forever. But where have you gone, Dutch Rennert, Bruce Froemming, Charlie Williams, Harry Wendlestadt, Frank Pulli, Randy Marsh, and Paul Runge? And RIP John McSherry, Eric Gregg, and Lee Wire. Umpires. You love to hate them while they’re around, but did you ever really think you’d miss them when they were gone?

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Dec 8, 2009 1:40 AM CST reply actions