And Now For Something Completely Different: The Andre Dawson Hall Of Fame Twitter Blitz
by Al Yellon on Dec 7, 2009 1:44 PM CST
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The good guys at Cubscast are sponsoring a Twitter blitz tomorrow to promote Andre Dawson's candidacy for the Hall of Fame. You can find out more details here. I've agreed to help them promote this, because I think Dawson belongs in the Hall, and this is an interesting experiment to see if such a Twitter blitz will actually get enough attention to make this a trending topic on Twitter.
So tomorrow, if you have a Twitter account, please tweet something about Andre's candidacy, using the hashtags #Dawson4TheHall, and also include the #cubs and #mlb tags. It starts at 1:20 pm CDT on Tuesday, December 8.
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Wouldn't count on it.
On a year-over year basis, US Twitter visitor counts are up 1271%.
It is an incredibly effective way to communicate. It isn’t going anywhere.
Dum spiro spero…
Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
Yeah, and Geocities used to be popular, so did Broadcast.com and Ask Jeeves.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I don't know about the latter two...
…but, IIRC, there weren’t a lot of obvious alternatives to creating Web sites back when Geocities was really popular.
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
So was broadcast television for that matter. "Must See TV"?
Not anymore…
Now only 12,859 on the "Cubs Season Tickets Waiting List"...
There aren't a lot of obvious alternatives to Twitter for microblogging now.
Perhaps in the future there will be.
Yes. And MySpace and on and on...
… i get it, web services come and go. The point is, people seem to dig this micro-blogging thing, and Twitter is here because it emerged as the best option for it.
Twitter may go the way of Ask Jeeves, but there will need to be a Google to change focus first. Or a Facebook to it’s MySpace, or a ‘real web hosting’ to its Geocities.
It won’t just evaporate because people lose interest. If it dies, it’ll be because something better came along in the same vein. You may not be “tweeting” in 5 years, but you’ll be doing something of the sort on some service that is similar in some way.
Dum spiro spero…
Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
I've already hijacked this thread (whoops), but for sake of brevity, and to be as apolitical as possible:
Twitter has utility in sharing news (information) immediately. It is transparent, to the point. See: the Hudson River plane crash picture. However, I do not like what it does to our communication abilities; grading college students’ work on a regular basis, methinks they’re influenced more by Twitter’s (and others) bastardization of proper communication rules and general niceties than anything else in our society.
Dan
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I totally agree with that.
I work in marketing, and have recently been promoted to the Digital Marketing Coordinator of my department. I was relieved… now i get to communicate with people in a way they seem to appreciate! Part of the struggle with communicating (in my case, selling) ANYTHING these days is not just that there is so much noise you have to reach through, but that the message must be tailored for our ADD society.
Everything must be done in 140 characters, all life problems must be solved in a sitcom length 30 minutes…
Dum spiro spero…
Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
OK, I can see how being in an occupation such as that...
…would sour you on Twitter.
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
Seriously, it's a pretty effective way to follow Major League Baseball.
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
I agree
It let’s me know when a new post is up at mlbtraderumors dot com; before Twitter, I would check their site so frequently that real work was never really an option.
Censorship of anything, at any time, in any place, on whatever pretense, has always been and will always be the last resort of the boob and the bigot.
—Eugene O’Neill
by 14theofleury on Dec 7, 2009 2:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yep, I've been getting all sorts of Winter Meetings info...
…for almost every MLB team without having to surf around to 50 different sites.
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
I agree that Dawson should be in
But I wonder if being innundated would turn writers against him.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
My 2010 vote:
- - Bert
- - THE HAWK
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Let the Twins fans support Bert
We’ve got one of our own to protect
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Your post comes across as unintentional humor, with your signature below.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Idea
Can we start a new blitz? #21BradleySeeYa!
You see, you spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball, and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. ~Jim Bouton, Ball Four, 1970
Dawson is the anti-Bradley
He was everything I think a ballplayer should be.
Sandberg was correct in his acceptance speech. Andre should be in the HOF!
"Cubs" Hall of Famers
I am trying to think of all the HOF’ers who played for the Cubs during part or all of at least six seasons.
Cap Anson, Mordecai Brown, Frank Chance, Johnny Evers, Joe Tinker, Grover Cleveland Alexander, Kiki Cuyler, Billy Herman, Hack Wilson, Gabby Hartnett, Ernie Banks, Billy Williams, Fergie Jenkins, Bruce Sutter, Ryne Sandberg
I chose the six-season mark because that’s how long Dawson was with the Cubs. By my count, Dawson would the 16th “six or more season” Cub to be in the Hall of Fame.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Alexander and Sutter
Those two didn’t go into the Hall as Cubs, but I wanted to include them on the list because they both pitched for the Cubs in at least six different seasons.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
I wonder if the Hawk would go in as Cub
as I remember his relationship with management was never great. Could he become the only player ever to go in as an Expo?
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
Gary Carter
He’s the only Expo in the Hall of Fame. Andre Dawson, Tim Raines, and Vladimir Guerrero are the only other players that could possibly go into the Hall as Expos.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez
but those would be the same as Dave Winfield in as a Padre
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Good idea
But they are hurting themselves by waiting that late in the day. They have a better chance of grabbing a trending topic if they start it early.
Dare I give the Cubs my heart again?
Sorry Guys...
…but Andre, as much as I loved, love, and will continue to love him as a player and man, is at best a borderline HOF player. I will simply refer you to the basballanalysts.com post by Patrick Sullivan from a few days ago – In a very brief summary, his OBP is well below average for an MLB player oh his time. Fer christsake, Milton Bradley had a FAR superior OBP LAST YEAR to what Dawson had for his WHOLE CAREER.
Now Ron Santo and Bert Blyleven – those are a couple of choices worth fighting for.
Let me clarify my position -
I am not saying “No Way Andre” – but I am saying, borderline choice, especially in light iof many other MUCH more deserving left out players.
by paul_reuschel on Dec 7, 2009 8:53 PM CST up reply actions
Once again...
… it’s not the Hall of On-Base Percentage.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Agreed
A lot of Hall of Famers had at least one statistic they stank in.
Come on…
by TheHawkRules on Dec 8, 2009 12:37 AM CST up reply actions
At least one?
There are more than one he stunk in. read the article I reference – if you use counting stats, you can’t ignore how many outs he made, and in comparison to many of his contemporaries already in the hall, he did much worse in some of them.
Like I said, it pains me to admit it, and I do really hope he makes it in, but BORDERLINE AT BEST.
by paul_reuschel on Dec 8, 2009 10:23 PM CST up reply actions
who are these MUCH MORE DESERVINCE PLAYERS
you speak of, I am curious of the list you provide, and your reasoning behind them
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
If OBP is the only category you can find to slap Hawk on the wrist for, then fine.
He’s still more than deserving.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Yay
It shall be written, all good things start at 1:20 p.m. CT. Hawk belongs in the hall!
Someday we'll go all the way.
by Cubbinstrongsince86 on Dec 7, 2009 9:10 PM CST reply actions
Can someone make a topic about this
with the appropriate headline tomorrow at 120, since i cannot log into twitter while at work, but can retweet the topic, unless somone wants to log into twitter for me and tweet away about it (if so email me timothy.coyle76(at)gmail
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
There are various tools you can use to schedule tweets!
futuretweets.com is supposedly pretty good.
Dum spiro spero…
Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on Dec 7, 2009 10:27 PM CST up reply actions
If you can retweet...
… you should be able to RT just about anyone’s tweet about this.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
i can retweet using the TWEET THIS option for a post
i cannot access twitter at work, but can access BCB thankfully
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
No, it's not the Hall of OBP but the Hawk's is
downright woeful. You can’t score from the dugout.
So is Mike Schmidts...
…number of strikeouts.
So is Nolan Ryans number of loses.
So is Ozzie Smith’s total lack of offense.
The liste goes on… need more?
by TheHawkRules on Dec 8, 2009 12:41 AM CST up reply actions
Reggie Jacksons number of k's...
… is the worst all-time. Especially for the era he played in.
See? Basically all Hall of Famers are going to have a few stats that stink.
by TheHawkRules on Dec 8, 2009 12:43 AM CST up reply actions
Mike Schmidt struck out a lot.
But strikeouts just count for one out, right? I guess if you prefer fly balls and grounders for your outs, then Dawson is your man.
A lot of Nolan Ryan’s loss total is due to a very long career spent pitching for mostly mediocre teams.
As for Ozzie, I guess they gave a bit of a pass offensively for the best defensive player in history at the most important defensive position on the field. He did steal a lot of bases for a good stretch of his career too. And oh yeah, he got on base at a better rate then Andre Dawson.
Dawson’s problem is that none of his stats say absolute sure thing Hall of Famer so the horrid OBP is more damaging to his case than say, strikeouts are for the greatest third baseman of all time.
But...
… he pretty much sucked as a hitter.
Ozzie was great at defense, but I think Alam Trammell was a better all-around player.
Ozzie...
He did SUCK as a hitter.
He only scored more than 90 runs twice.
His career OBP is .337
He has few hrs and rbis…
Sure, he did steal bases… and he played great defense. But that was it.
Andre didn’t steal as many bases, but he still stole over 300. Thought he did play a different position, he won 8 gold gloves. I think that defines him as a great defenisive player also.
Andre Dawson's career OBP was .323.
Ernie Banks’ was .330. Going to argue that Ernie doesn’t belong, either?
You mentioned runs scored. Dawson scored 1373 runs — 93rd all-time. Among Hall of Famers who scored fewer: Richie Ashburn, Ryne Sandberg, Luis Aparicio, Pee Wee Reese, Banks, Kiki Cuyler, Harry Heilman, Carlton Fisk… need I go on?
OBP is not the one criteria that puts a player into (or out of) the Hall of Fame.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
(Sarcasm) Ernie Banks
(Sarcasm) Banks doesn’t belong in the Hall of Fame because he never got a team into postseason play. It was all Ernie’s fault.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Please, Al. You know as well as I do that Ernie's low career OBP
is a result of hanging around way too long after his injuries in the early 60s. I’m sure when he went in on the first ballot writers remembered him for his amazing six or seven years when he was the greatest offensive shortstop of all-time and one of the great hitters in the history of the game, not for the second half of career.
There is no such line of demarkation in Dawson’s career. He was simply never very good at getting on base. As I said above, a horrid OBP for someone whose other stats are a HOF slam dunk would be one thing. For a borderliner like the Hawk, his OBP is enough to keep him out.
I was just trying to...
… show you that OBP is not the only criterion. You say Dawson’s other stats aren’t a “slam dunk”. I disagree.
Career SLG: .482. That’s 165th in ML history — tied with Yogi Berra. HoFers below that include Al Kaline and Eddie Murray.
Career HR: 438. 36th in ML history, and in a lower-offense era. Everyone who has hit more and is eligible is in, except Fred McGriff and Dave Kingman.
Career RBI: 1591. 34th in ML history. Everyone who has more and is eligible is in, except Harold Baines.
Career power-speed number: 365.78. Here’s the critical one: that’s seventh in ML history, behind Barry & Bobby Bonds, Willie Mays, Rickey Henderson, Alex Rodriguez and Joe Morgan. If Dawson hadn’t suffered the serious knee injuries, he might be as high as fourth on that list.
It’s the combination of power and speed that does it for me. Dawson had more of the combination than almost anyone in the history of the game. He’s clearly one of the 150 best players who ever played.
And, as his teammate Ryne Sandberg said, “He played the game right.” That ought to count for something.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Dec 8, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Not to mention
The man had an absolute nuclear warhead for an arm.
If OBP keeps him out, I am going to go to Bill James’ house and poop in his mailbox.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
and he was a difference maker
you wanted him up in a crucuial time, since he had a great eye at the plate, and was about as consistant as you can ask you
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
I agree Hawk was very good.
Good arguments, Al.
There is a problem with comparing Dawson’s SLG. to say, Berra, mostly a catcher and by all accounts the most important player on one of the greatest teams in history but that’s an argument for another time.
The speed/power stat is most impressive in that it puts Dawson in the company of some of the greatest names in baseball history and Bobby Bonds too. But looking at the top 25 power/speed guys in the history of baseball you soon realize that it’s sort of a freaky athlete list that includes HOFers along with the Reggie Sanders, Marquis Grissoms, Cesar Cedenos and Joe Carters of the world. All really good players. Not HOFers. And apparently everyone in the top ten needn’t be a HOFer since Bobby Bonds is on it. And Sammy is currently at number ten but…well, you know.
I certainly wouldn’t find it crazy if Dawson was included in the Hall. I guess I’m just a little more of a hardliner.
Bonds, Mays, DAWSON!
Dawson is also one of only three members of the 400 HR-300 SB club, along with Barry Bonds and Willie Mays.
Thats pretty good speed/power combo if you’d ask me.
i am sure his bad knees
are not being over looked when you want to compare age and injuries with Banks and Hawk…..
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
1:20 PM Central Daylight Time?
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
by eths on Dec 8, 2009 2:17 AM CST via mobile reply actions
1:20 Central STANDARD time, yes.
That would be 7:20 GMT for you in Europe (I know you’re not on GMT, but that should help you figure it out).
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I thought as much, I just wanted to be sure that this was not stuck in a summertime time warp,
and I already set future tweets up for the entire day, especially for 20:20 CET (19:20 UTC / GMT), early this morning (my time).
Thank you for the timely discussion…
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
Anyone who says Dawson should not be in
really needs to do some research about Dawson. I do not care if it is an average joe fan, or a voter for the HOF Committee.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
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