Sandberg to manage Iowa Cubs
My refreshes on BCB are a little slow so apologies in advance if this has been covered, but the Des Moines Register is reporting that Ryno will be the I-Cubs skipper for 2010, replacing Bobby Dickerson, who is moving to the Orioles organization.
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I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
Saw this too
I bet this sets him up to take over for the Cubs after Piniella probably retires after next season.
Agreed.
And, clearly shows the organization likes him, as he has been promoted every year.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Dec 7, 2009 4:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
No
IIRC, last year he was at Tennessee. AP got it wrong.
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -- George Santayana (1863-1952)
Neifi Puppy's got it right.
’07 and ’08 in peoria, and ’09 in Tennessee.
"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin
I would agree...
…it looks like it will be his job to lose once Lou goes on his way.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I'm out right now.
Make sure you rec this post so it gets to the top of the list.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Dec 7, 2009 4:28 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Seems like a good move,
but at this point with 3 yrs at A and AA, would it be better preperation to spend the year managing at AAA, or being a bench coach on the big league team? I would think he would get more out of being Lou’s bench coach.
Anyone know what come first, Sandberg’s promotion or Dickerson leaving? I don’t know much about Dickerson, is the organization losing any value?
"The Cubs are due in sixty-two." - #14
no, to him being Lou's bench coach
IMHO…I think it might be better to see him come up as a “virgin” manager coming to the Big Leagues, dont want him picking up any one else’s bad habits.
"When I was younger, I could remember anything, whether it had happened or not." --Mark Twain
I agree...
…but the main reason I wouldn’t want him to be bench coach with the Cubs, is because managers have different relationships with players than bench coaches do and I would want him to come in fresh.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Not At All Surprised, But...
I hate to see Bobby Dickerson going to another organization. He’s done a great job over the years managing the West Tenn Diamond Jaxx and Iowa Cubs. I fully expected Ryno to get the Iowa job because he’s Ryno.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Disagree 100%
Sorry, but if you’re inferring that there is no question that he follows Piniella as Cubs manager, well thats far from a guarantee. If Ricketts and Co are talking an evaluative approach and deciding what changes are necessary going forward (which I think is evident), Jim Hendry has to prove himself this year. If the Cubs do not perform up to Ricketts’ expectations, Hendry could easily lose his job or see someone brought in to head baseball operations and serve as his immediate boss. If either of these happen, its very possible that a new brain trust will be in place that will have its own guys. A few GM is going to be allowed to hire his manager and he isn’t going to care what may or may not have been promised to Ryne Sandberg.
I disagree 100%
I do not know for a fact, but I believe Ricketts has followed enough of Sandberg’s career to know what type of person he is and what he has to offer as a baseball man. Sure a GM will be hired, if Hendry finds the door, to think that Ricketts will not any influence who runs his team is being blind.
Sandberg has a real good shot of managing this team whether we like it or not.
I disagree 100%
Everything dml said is logical. Sandberg’s character has nothing to do with his managerial abilities – he might be great, he might be awful and he’s most likely somewhere in-between.
Everything Ricketts has said to date leads me to believe he will absolutely NOT influence who runs the team – he has been quoted that he will not be hands-on and he will let his baseball people make baseball decisions – because that’s the only way that they can be held accountable.
As far as your last sentence goes, just my $0.02, but – unintentionally or otherwise, it comes across like what someone else posted recently – anyone who doesn’t show 100% support for Sandberg as the next manager seems to elicit an almost militant response around here.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2009 7:03 AM CST up reply actions
OK, here's one place...
… where I can definitely understand the position opposite mine (I think he SHOULD be and WILL be the next Cubs manager). I understand those who have the perception of him as a shy guy who said little in public when he played.
I do think, however, that his HoF induction speech was intended to make a statement — and did so — about how he felt about the state of the game currently. It was made only a year before he applied for the manager’s job. It’s clear to me that Sandberg decided he wanted to get back into the game and make a difference.
Given the way he played his career — with a drive to succeed that was obvious — I have no doubt that he would similarly succeed as manager of the Cubs.
But I can understand those who don’t agree. We all have our choices for who we think should be manager and why. I disagree if you don’t think Sandberg would succeed, but I’m not going to say you’re “wrong” for holding that opinion.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Al, that's not at all what I said.
I said that there’s no guarantee that he would succeed – not that he wouldn’t succeed.
I also said there’s no guarantee that he’s the next manager.
But for whatever reason, those statements are seditious to some – I’m not saying you or Grokcubs specifically, but look at how you reacted to my post. You were calm and reasonable, but – you didn’t really respond to what I actually said. You responded to what you thought I’d said.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2009 8:47 AM CST up reply actions
I have no stake in this claim.
I just think Sandberg has done what he was told to do: Get Experience. He has worked at many different levels has had some success and has kept his yap shut and worked.
I do not hide the fact he was my favorite Cub and I would be more than open for him to become the next Cub manager. As stated above he has done the work. Now we can argue whether he is the right man for the job, each have there own opinions. His record states he has been a good manager up to this point.
If he his hired Sandberg, I believe could fall into more pressure then others before him. The star Cub, loved by many, and then fails as a manager, it could dent his image to some fans.
I don’t mind people who disagree with my opinion, that is there call. I just think No matter who is the GM Ryno would be the leader in the clubhouse if Lou is not longer Cub manager.
Again, Ricketts has said he'll let baseball people make baseball decisions
If he starts meddling in them, even here and there, then I think the franchise is in for trouble.
Sandberg might very well be the next manager – but it’s not a foregone conclusion.
I’d love for him to get the job and succeed.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2009 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
exactly
Sandberg may get the job, he may not. If Hendry is around a year from now he probably does. But just because Sandberg is well though of amongst the current front office doesn’t mean he would be if the Cubs end up bringing in a new GM. Sandberg really hasn’t been on the radar for any other managerial openings which indicates that outside the current Cubs brass, the support for Sandberg isn’t all that great.
As you say, this is not a pro or anti-Sandberg thing, its just what happens when GMs are fired and hired. Ricketts isn’t going to bring in a new GM just to tell him what manager to hire and undermine him from day one (and I can’t think of any GM we’d want here who would take the job under those circumstances).
Hmmm...
Maybe Ricketts could hire Sandberg as GM.
And then Sandberg could hire himself as manager.
"I'd rather hit home runs you don't have to run as hard." -- Dave Kingman
by BucknerKongCardenal on Dec 9, 2009 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
My biggest problem with Sandberg
Is that how are we going to fire him if he ends up being a bad manager? It’s really difficult to know how someone is going to manage without making him the manager. Of course, Detroit managed to fire Alan Trammell.
My other problem with Sandberg is that he’s mentioned Jim Frey as the manager who’s most influenced him. Frey was a pretty terrible in-game manager. Now if Sandberg is just referring to the way Frey built up the confidence of his young second baseman, then I’m OK with that.
by Josh Timmers on Dec 18, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
The Cubs once fired Phil Cavarretta....
… a man who played for three Cub pennant winners.
They also fired Stan Hack, a man who played for four Cub pennant winners.
Neither was a Hall of Famer, but both were among the most popular Cubs of their era.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Not really the same, is it?
Different eras, and the management that fired those men aren’t in the organization any longer.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 20, 2009 9:54 PM CST up reply actions
True enough, but...
… it does show you that any management can fire a manager, no matter how popular that man was as a player.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
so...
… you’re saying that regardless of who is Cubs GM next year, Sandberg is almost a certainty to be the next Cubs manager? I am not saying that Sandberg won’t be, but I think that people are jumping to a conclusion about the future. If Hendry is fired or his role is reduced, the chances of Sandberg being the next manager is significantly reduced. A new GM is going to want to bring in his guys and if Ricketts is going to hire a GM on the contingency that he’ll make Sandberg manager than he’s going to be undermining his GM before he’s even entered the building. Ricketts does not seem like he’s that kind of guy.
Yeah I think so.
I will not say a certainty, but he would be the person to beat.
Sure we have a whole year and a lot can transpire. But as of today I think Sandberg has the best shot.
if thats the case..
…. then why has Sandberg gotten no other interviews for Managerial openings? He’s high on the Cubs list because of the current management but an entirely new management could have a whole slew of people they’d consider over Sandberg. Your support for Sandberg is making you ignore how things work when front office changes take place.
Maybe Sandberg has no interest in managing any other team...
… so he hasn’t solicited interviews elsewhere.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I think that there is something to that
However, dml has a point, too – I’d think someone would at least ask for permission to talk to him.
Again, this doesn’t mean that he can’t be a good manager.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
Could be - but that's something that usually gets out
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
indeed
Maybe Sandberg has no interest in other teams, maybe permission was asked and denied (though I imagine that would be the first time in the history of MLB that a Double A manager was not allowed to interview for a major league job). All that I am saying is that it is far from a lock that Sandberg manages this team next year. If all goes as planned… the Cubs make the playoffs, Hendry sticks around and Piniella retires, then I believe Sandberg does get the job. But if the Cubs don’t make the playoffs and Hendry gets fired or demoted, a new GM may have other plans. If someone like Sandy Alderson or Kim Ng is running this team come November of 2010, Sandberg may get an interview for the managerial job, but he is going to be going up against others who have much stronger ties to the new GM.
I could easily see a non-Hendry GM bringing Sandberg to Chicago if he succeeds in Iowa
It’s a free shot – much-loved, HOF player managing the team where he made his name. If it doesn’t work out, no one blames the GM for promoting him. On the other hand, a new GM promotes someone else and they don’t work, that move costs the GM professional life points in Chicago.
There are no free shots
A GM typically gets two managers. After the first one is gone the pressure and spotlight get put on the GM. Sandberg doesn’t buy a GM any more time than does any other managerial hire, especially in Chicago where the team has had a recent history of winning seasons and trips to the playoffs.
The worst thing the Cubs can do is self-annoint Ryne Sandberg the next manager of the Cubs
Organizations that hire former popular players to serve as manager are very often burned by the exercise. The IMPERATIVE should always be to hire the best qualified and right fit for the situation.
My beloved Blackhawks learned this the hard way with Trent Yawney and Denis Savard.
If Sandberg is deemed well qualified for the manager’s job next season then I’m all for him being granted an interview. But he needs to be evaluated thru objective lens and not rose-colored glasses.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
I'm afraid to admit it but I was going to post the same thing
I’m not applauding this in any way just because HOF’er Sandberg is a step closer to the Cubs dugout. When Piniella leaves, the Cubs should hire the best manager regardless of whether he spent a single day in a Cubs uniform.
Many of the best managers in recent memory (Bobby Cox, Tony LaRussa) were bad players. Joe Torre might be one of the better players who was a good recent manager. Frank Robinson is a bit tough to evaluate due to some of the crummy teams he had.
Sandberg should not be anointed as manager in waiting.
I love Sandberg but you are correct
He should get the interview and if its right, by all means hire him. I would love to see it, but only if he’s the right guy, not because he’s Ryne Sandberg.
That said, if the Cubs start out poorly, what do you think they do? I assume Lou would go. Do they go with Trammell or Sandberg.
Trammell would have to feel like a lame duck in that situation. Hopefully they can win and Lou just goes away on top.
You are correct, actually.
The next Cubs manager should be the best qualified. I happen to think that’s Sandberg.
Comparing the situation to the Blackhawks situation isn’t fair. The teams and players involved are different. Only the perception of the situation (popular ex-player coming back to lead) is the same. Many popular former players have done well with coaching or managing their old teams. You need look no farther than the South Side to find one example.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Savard was also given the coaching job without experience
as a favor from $Bill Wirtz
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
good for Ryno
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
This Year
Actually I could see Sandberg being the Cub Manager during the 2010 Season. If the team gets off to a bad start, I could see the Cubs launching Lou early in the year. With his contract situation its not a real big financial hit anymore.
Hendry could conceivably to that in an effort to save his own ass
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
It's possible...
…but not likely, because Hendry has a track record of being very respectful of guys with long track records of winning (see Dusty Baker). It is possible that Hendry may feel desperate if they have a bad start, but in reality, any problems are much more on Hendry’s shoulders than they would be the manager.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Agreed
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2009 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
I love Ryno and would love to see him get the job.
However, don’t look past Bob Brenly or Alan Trammal….two guys who may very well have an interest in the job and would have to be taken very seriously if they did apply. I think, given the fact that he has an awesome broadcasting job with no stress and plenty of job security, I think the only managing jobs Brenly would leave his current gig for would be the Cubs or the Giants, but that’s pure speculation on my part.
"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004
Doubt Brenly wants to leave his cushy job.
Trammell just isn’t in the running at all, IMO.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
This is Great!
I will definitely catch more I-Cubs Games next year!
To weigh in on all the debate as to if Ryno should be the next Cubs Manager, I would rather see him try and fail as the Cubs Manager than to see him go to another team. He reaaly couldn’t do any worse than all the rest of the managers that the Cubs have had over the last 101 years. And if he is succesful, then we can do something that the several generations of Cub fans have not been able to do before us, CELEBRATE A WORLD SERIES PENNANT! If he fails terribly after a reasonable attempt they could always move him into a front office job, say as VP of player development, if he is still wanting to be part of the Cubs organization. I would cringe to see him wear anything but cubbie blue and I am sure my mother would rollover in her grave!
"What we have here is a failure to communicate" - Strother Martin as "Captain"
I would not be surprised...
… to see the Cubs schedule another game at Wrigley involving the Iowa Cubs, to show off Sandberg.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
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