Ryne Sandberg Named Iowa Manager -- Day 2 Winter Meetings All-Purpose Post
by Al Yellon on Dec 8, 2009 7:00 AM CST
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PrintRumors flew all day Monday, and all got shot down -- what else would you expect from an event that's as carefully scrutinized as the Winter Meetings?
The only real Cubs news that happened on Monday was the naming of Ryne Sandberg to manage the Iowa Cubs, his third promotion in as many years. Nothing's been said, of course, and probably won't be, but this likely puts Sandberg in line to succeed Lou Piniella as Cubs manager after 2010.
In decades past, naming a popular former player as Cubs manager was almost expected. Phil Cavarretta, Charlie Grimm, Stan Hack, Gabby Hartnett -- all those were Cub greats of the past who served as manager. Since 1960, though, only two former Cub players have managed the team -- Lee Elia (who played only a handful of games as a Cub in 1968) and Don Zimmer, neither of whom distinguished himself as a player.
Sandberg has at least gone about it the right way, learning the craft of managing at the minor league level and working his way up, just as a player would. I'm all for this move.
Use this post for Winter Meetings rumors, posts, comments, etc. today, just as we did yesterday.
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Good Morning and here we go again...
The talk about fast tracking Ryne Sandberg to the majors as a manager strikes me as a bad idea. It will be very interesting to watch how Sandberg does in Iowa. I just hope the Cubs don’t hire him as the Cubs manager unless if they are really convinced that he is the best man for the job and has acquired enough experience. A great player is not always equal to being a great manager. But the other hand, I think it is really great that he is getting a chance to prove himself in Iowa.
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
Not really a fast track
I wouldn’t really consider his path a fast track. If you compare him to other potential managers with significant MLB playing experience. Consider Lou Piniella, after retiring as a player he was a manager within two years. It can be argued that that was a different era, when player managers were still common (Joe Torre and Frank Robinson both started as player-managers), I will grant that.
But, I just don’t see Ryno as being fasttracked.
Eamus Ursuli!
Right.
A “fast track” would have been hiring him after 2006 — he did apply for the job. Jim Hendry told him he didn’t have any experience. So he went and got it.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
If he proves himself capable and does a great job in Iowa,
then I see no problems with him coming up to the majors. I, nonetheless, do wonder if the amount experience he will have had in a years time (including the past couple of years) will be ample for doing a good job in Chicago, or if an assistant role in majors for a year or two might be of benefit.
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
Remember...
… he has also served as a spring training instructor/coach for several seasons.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I wasn't aware of that (or I forgot) - Thanks
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
Minors Manager vs. Big League Coach
That is an interesting comparison in terms of which better prepares a potential manager, particularly a former player.
For example, compare Mattingly to Sandberg.
I would argue that actually being in charge of managing is more valuable than the experience gained sitting on a MLB bench next to a manager, particularly for a someone with as much MLB experience as Sandberg or Mattingly.
On the flip side, Mattingly is of course getting great experience, as Joe Girardi did before, sitting next to Joe Torre.
All in all, I stick by what I said before in that I think Ryno has plenty of experience to be a successful manager with the Cubs.
Eamus Ursuli!
The Cubs will be so good in 2010, that
Lou will stay for another year, but Tramell will be hired to manage the Nats. Ryno will come up to be bench coach for 2011. Lou will retire after that season, following [name redacted] into the sunset. Ryno will then be promoted to manager in 2012.
You make
the baby Jim Wriggleman sad…
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 8, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
?
Why the gratuitous Riggleman bashing?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not bashing him
Chilango is basically saying that Riggleman will be fired after 2010. That would make him sad.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 8, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
Oh, ok. Sorry
I guess I read too much into the “baby” part and the spelling.
Carry on.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
just a play on
you make the baby jesus cry.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 8, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
My bad
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
Fast track?
How many name players have managed at all in the minors, much less four years, before getting a shot? Did Lou or Girardi ever manage a minor league game?
In addition to his fairly long and so far successful apprenticeship, Sandberg seems to meet all other job requirements: He’ll have the instant respect that players grant only to those select few who performed well at the highest level. He’s strong on fundamentals. He’s the right age. He knows the organization top to bottom.
Forget the ancient managerial failures of Hack, Cavarretta and Scheffing. Back then, Phil Wrigley had no intention of taking steps necessary to compete. That’s not the case with curent ownership. The only question with Ryno is: can he handle the media nonsense and circus atmosphere that has developed around the team in the 25 years since Sandberg, Dallas Green, Sutcliffe, Matthews, et al rescued the organization from the Wrigley miasma? My guess is he’ll be as good as Ditka with the Bears.
Sorry, Al, I just can't endorse this potential move.
Ryne was a great player. The most fundamentally sound player I’ve ever seen on the Cubs. More like a Yankee than a Cub. But he was never viewed as a leader in the clubhouse. He was sort of a shy, retiring type. In fact, he was so quiet that I wondered if maybe he was like an idiot savant — brilliant at playing baseball, not too bright at anything else. I might hope he’d be a bench coach first before he’s named manager. Perhaps that’s the plan – Trammel becomes manager with Sandberg as his bench coach. That would show that the club is starting to take things like business organization seriously.
Joe, you coulda made us proud!
by copingwiththecubs on Dec 8, 2009 7:08 AM CST reply actions
Actually, your perception is incorrect.
He seemed shy and retiring on the field and in his public perception. However, I heard that in the clubhouse, he WAS considered a leader — in fact, kind of a prankster. That doesn’t qualify him to be a manager; however, I believe the four years (by the end of this year) that he has spent learning the managerial craft in the minor leagues does qualify him.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
And yet his personality seems to have changed quite a bit as a manager
He has been thrown out of several games for arguing calls, he appears to handle the (small-town) media with ease, and his Hall of Fame speech was effective.
Keep in mind Ryno went from high school to the minors with his h.s. girlfriend then wife by his side. He worked on baseball all day, every day. I don’t think he was stupid, just a one-track mind. Maybe one reason he didn’t like doing interviews was because they’re so banal. He was a notorious prankster in the clubhouse, not exactly the epitome of shyness.
He has been through a divorce and a second marriage, has seen his kids grow up, has had time away from the game to develop other interests, and has had the affirmation of being chosen for the Hall of Fame. He has spent years taking part in card shows, public speaking, and Cubs conventions. The last time I saw him at Wrigley, a kid stopped him on his way up the broadcast booth stairs, and he was as kind and natural as you could imagine.
The proof is in the pudding. He seems to have had good success as a manager so far. He is getting to know many of the team’s top prospects. Alan Trammel went straight into managing at the major league level, and did terribly with a bad club. I’ll take Sandberg’s path as the better plan.
Fontenot (fon-te-no): Cajun for "scrappy"
by cubzfan on Dec 8, 2009 7:33 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Well said.
Additionally, by climbing the organizational ladder, Sandberg is going to be familiar with most of the guys the Cubs are developing and (hopefully) calling up to Chicago in the near future. He knows most of their strengths and weaknesses, rather than relying on scouting reports, etc., which I think will serve him well in 2011 (or whenever he moves up to Chicago) and beyond.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
Which is better than any outside manager could bring to the table.
Ryno is well versed on these players and the players are well versed on him. It might payoff to having Ryno work his through the system.
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
Well, if the Cubs ever devlop the "organizational philosophy" we yearn for,
then yes, I think it will pay off having Sandberg work his way through the organization.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
Turn it Green
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
His HOF speech wasn't just effective, it was one of the greatest of all time.
I only mention it because sometimes there’s a man… I won’t say a hero, ‘cause, what’s a hero? Sometimes, there’s a man. And I’m talkin’ about Ryno here – from Spokane Washington by way of Chicago. Sometimes, there’s a man, well, he’s the man for his time and place. He fits right in there. And that’s Ryno. From Chicago.
That HOF speech was exactly what MLB needed to hear at that time and place. Sandberg saw his Holy Game devolving into a bunch of steroid freaks thwomping 3-run homers and preening for the cameras, and he let them have it with both barrels. Even all of my ChiSox friends emailed to say how much they loved it.
When Ryno is the Cubs’ manager, they will be in good hands. He is passionate about doing things the right way.
MLBMilestone.com - following the numbers to Cooperstown
by D98 on Dec 8, 2009 8:26 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
HIs HOF speech
Did Sandberg say anything while he was a player? His career coincided with Canseco and the rise of steroids.
Did he say anything to the union? Did he refuse to cash the checks that were inflated because Canseco and McGwire and others set the salary scale?
He was too little, too late. Just like every other hypocrite player from that era. It’s all fine to cry crocodile tears now, but he made money off the steroid era, just like everyone else did.
Respect, indeed.
I think he’ll be a decent manager. I enjoyed watching him as a player. But I am sick of the St. Ryno stuff.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
I realize I'm the turd in the punch bowl a lot
But my real-time reaction to his speech was, “Where the hell were you 10 years ago?”
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
“Respect” was in the speech 19 times, which given the fact that the speech is titled, “Respect the game above all else,” seems to make sense.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
The only thing that bothered me about that speech
Is that sometimes (his book is another example) he comes across as Barry Rozner’s mouthpiece.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2009 9:13 AM CST up reply actions
I haven't read the book in a while (or Rozner for that matter)
but I was thinking of re-reading it, so I’ll check that out.
Since I read Rozner only when I visit my grandmother, are you saying he tends to get a little high on his horse about players not respecting the game?
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
Actually, I'm saying that Rozner has agendas
And he’s not afraid to twist facts to promote them in some cases (not necessarily this one).
He didn’t like Sosa – I think a lot of the book and the speech were directed specifically at him.
Full disclosure – Sandberg is my favorite Cub. But as Worf said – where was the indignance when Sosa and Sandberg were teammates?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2009 9:25 AM CST up reply actions
I'm in the same boat.
Sandberg was my favorite Cub, too, and I don’t remember him saying anything about Sosa in 96-97 (though was Sosa mugging for the cameras then, either? Maybe I just don’t remember, but it seemed like that started in ’98 with the HR chase.)
And I would agree – most of that speech did seem to be directed at Sammy – especially the “red light on the camera” comment.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
Sammy never was real humble
He may have gotten worse after 1997, but he made a pretty big deal out of 30/30.
Remember, Sandberg was teammates with him in 1992-1994, also. I think he was also pissed that the Cubs traded Bell.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2009 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
True.
I could see a scenario in which Sandberg tried to talk to Sosa in the clubhouse, only to see Sammy emerge as the “media craver” we remember him as, which in turn, fueled much of Sandberg’s speech.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
Sums it up
Sandberg certainly appears to hold a grudge against Sosa, but so does most of the country.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
And Worf loves cake
But I still think Sandberg was pissed that the Cubs traded Bell for Sosa.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
I think it's much more basic than that
In 1998, just one year after Sandberg retired, Sosa and Kerry Wood became the most popular Cubs.
I think Sandberg resented it.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Maybe. I'm not sure about that.
He played on teams that had a pretty popular core group of players – it wasn’t like he was the one and only.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
Sosa and Wood brought in a lot of bandwagon fans
Sandberg hadn’t played for a playoff team in nine years.
A lot of people who call themselves Cubs fans today never watched Ryne play as a Cubs fan.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
I did
but he did quit a while ago.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 8, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
Sandberg retired 12 years ago
I started watching in 1982 – I’d never seen Banks, Santo, Williams and other players that had been retired for nearly the same time frame.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
I wasn't talking about YOU, guys
Sosa and Wood were cartoon characters with the big numbers.
They also dragged a pretty middling team to the playoffs, something Sandberg really never did.
Sandberg was the best player on the 84 and 89 teams, but there were a LOT of good players on those teams.
I’m saying a lot of people became Cubs fans because of Sammy and Wood and I think Sandberg (and Grace) resented it.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
I know you didn't mean us - I was making a point
That fans of Banks, Santo, etc. could say the same about fans that started watching around the time that I did.
If Grace resented Wood, why did he pal around with him?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2009 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
I do believe that he may have had a hand in setting the salary scale.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1003528/index.htm
will someone please tell me why I can’t post a link with the link tool!
Sandberg should be a lock after Lou is done
The most popular Cubs player in the last 25 years returns to work his way up through the minors to manage the Cubs. As the owner, I want that story. What more do you want? Think he should manage in Florida first? How well did that work out with Girardi?
Sandberg always played the game the right way. He manages the game the right way too.
by RiskyBusiness on Dec 8, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
How do we know this?
He manages the game the right way too.
A minor league manager’s primary function is to develop players. A major league manager’s first job is obviously to win games. They are different animals.
He shouldn’t be a lock just because he was popular and a good player. He is my favorite player, but the best candidate should get the job. If that turns out to be Sandberg, great.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2009 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
You develop winners
You can’t just develop players and lose in the minors and then expect those players to be winners at the MLB level.
He’s a lock because the Ricketts’ are smart marketing people. Sandberg sells. Unless he completely hoses the job at AAA, he’ll be the next Cubs manager.
Tell me who you would want instead.
by RiskyBusiness on Dec 8, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
Sigh.
Find one post where I said or implied that I didn’t want Sandberg as the next manager. I’ll wait. Use the search function; it’s pretty handy.
Why people insist that anyone who suggests Sandberg MIGHT not be good or MIGHT not be next are anti-Sandberg is beyond me.
Sandberg sells? So, you’re telling me the only reason the Cubs draw 3,000,000/year is that Sandberg is in the system, and if he’s not next, attendance would drop?
WINNING sells. The Ricketts’ know that. If Hendry isn’t around in 2011, the next GM will hire who he or she (Kim Ng?) wants – and that could very well be Sandberg. But it could be someone else.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
Sigh all you want
The Ricketts will have complete say over who the next manager is. And there GM will know that – it won’t be the next GM’s decision.
Sorry, but I haven’t seen anything that would deter me from thinking Sandberg is on track to manage the Cubs. If he’d been with Peoria when the fight broke out, yeah then that would be a problem.
by RiskyBusiness on Dec 8, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
So this means you couldn't find a post where I said I didn't want Sandberg, then.
Maybe you should re-read Ricketts
Having “complete say over who the next manager is” and not giving the GM input flies in the face of everything that TR has said. Not to mention making lousy organizational philosophy.
You’re moving the goalposts. You claimed that I said things that I didn’t, then because you couldn’t refute my response, you’re making claims that you cannot possibly know for a fact.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
I didn't claim you said anything - why would I?
All I said was – “Tell me who you would want instead.” That’s it.
And I’m not searching your posts, blah, blah, blah. Whatever.
You’ve got an opinion and so do I. End of story.
by RiskyBusiness on Dec 8, 2009 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
You certainly at least implied that I said something.
Tell me who you would want instead.
I don’t mind agreeing to disagree. I just don’t think you know what my opinion is, even though I spelled it out. But it’s not really worth expending any more energy on.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
Wins and losses aren't as big a component of managing in the Minors as they are in the Majors
With the focus on player development and players moving up and down levels, wins and losses aren’t a true barometer of a Minor League manager and talent.
If a Minor League manager is able to show an ability to prepare his team with limited scouting reports, adjust to the personnel from series-to-series and demonstrates an ability to help his players grow professionally (i.e., they get better as the season goes on), then I think all of those weigh more than his won-loss record.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
The deadline to accept arbitration
Was at midnight I think. Things should happen today!
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
No more Putzin' around
Rosenthal links Cubs to Putz
Nooooooo!
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
Well that kinda sucks...
That would give us two closers that neither does well in set-up role. Putz was a Putz for the Mets as a set-up guy and Marmol really didn’t have it till he was named as the closer.
Not good, either way.
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
Putz was hurt last year
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2009 8:54 AM CST up reply actions
I could agree with that
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
About the Granderson to Yankees rumors
Maybe this would set the stage for the Cubs to acquire Melky Cabrera, as has also been rumored. Would it take much more than Sean Marshall to get him? Cabrera isn’t that good, but he’ll only be 25 next year, and has a decent OPS from the left side.
Fontenot (fon-te-no): Cajun for "scrappy"
I haven't seen the latest rumors
but if Granderson heads to the Yankess, Cabrera could be headed back to Detroit. I think the Tigers would like either Cabrera or Gardner to replace Granderson. Ryan Raburn is not their answer in CF.
According Rosenthal, the Tigers would get:
Max Scherzer from the Diamondbacks, and center fielder Austin Jackson and left-handed relievers Phil Coke and Michael Dunn from the Yankees.
So Cabrera would still be a Yank
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
After a few hours to think about it,
I think that would be a great deal for the Yankees (Kennedy/Jackson/Dunn/Coke for Granderson and one or two prospects), a decent deal for the Tigers (they would get a solid, young number 2 right away that has potential to be an ace, while filling in CF), and a bad deal for the Diamondbacks (sure, they’d get two arms … but Scherzer’s better than Edwin Jackson right now and Ian Kennedy types can be found in most systems).
All of which makes today’s latest rumors, that the Tigers may lower their asking price, a little funny to me. The idea that the Yankees would back out of a deal … ugh. If we only had a young CF to trade to them.
Pie!
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
ugh
I don’t want Melky Cabrera. At least, I don’t want to trade for him. Below average defensive CF, average at best offensively with little to no power, and minimal indications that it would actually develop. For him to actually have power might mean that he would need to rework his swing. A decent 4th OF, but I really don’t want him as a starter, particularly if it requires giving up assets for him.
So long Ryne
We are going to miss you here in the mountains
If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.
Today
will be the day we make a trade. I got 5 bucks on it. :-)
Tamia Lynn Davis:
Born: August 18, 2008
Some non-trade news...
Pitcher Carlos Zambrano is said to have shed 15 pounds so far on his off-season conditioning program. He’s currently in Guatemala working with a charity to build homes and provide clothing for the needy, his agent said.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
That sounds Great!!
Any word on him getting the eye surgery he needed before last season?
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
Hmm. Here's hoping he doesn't report to ST with "carpenter's elbow" from all the hammering...
Now only 12,859 on the "Cubs Season Tickets Waiting List"...
I have a 1 lb. hammer that I use in carpentry projects that I've dubbed "The Widowmaker".
Now only 12,859 on the "Cubs Season Tickets Waiting List"...
I think there's
a ski run named the Widowmaker out here in Colorado, or was that in the Simpsons?
We're not scaremongering (nightmare of a season continues), this is really happening (Bears are more than done) - Radiohead
I'd hammer in the morning.
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
♬♬♪ I'd rather be a hammer than a nail... ♪♬♬
Dare I give the Cubs my heart again?
by digitalbenjamin on Dec 8, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
Here’s hoping he’s staying hydrated dropping all that weight.
One baseball game, he came to the plate and heard a woman in the crowd shout to the pitcher, "I'll make you a chocolate cake if you strike out that 'so-and-so'!" Says Strong: "I hit that ball out of the park. Then I looked at her like, 'Do I get a cake now?' "
He'll gain it back...
Once he stops drinking the Guatemala river water.
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
HA
Dare I give the Cubs my heart again?
by digitalbenjamin on Dec 8, 2009 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
That's pretty cool
It would be nice if more stories were written about guys doing stuff like that.
Good for Carlos.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2009 8:55 AM CST up reply actions
that's great ...
But I instantly thought of other things Z’s agent might have said:
“Carlos has also been working on a cure for cancer, strategies for a U.S. victory in Afghanistan and a way to make cars run on water.”
by elgato on Dec 8, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He's also invented time travel
Discovered two new species of spider
Can throw 97 MPH underhand
Has grown 4 inches
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
Actually ther is already a car that runs on water
Or did you mean, instead of gas?
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that is awesome!
Bob Brenly on Leo Nunez "Dan Uggla just saved Nunez’ life because Koyie would break him into a million pieces"
I want an agent...
Jose is said to have shed 10 pounds of fat and gained 20 of lean muscle so far on his off-season conditioning program. He’s currently in Chicago making the world a better place, but he plans on going to the Caribbean on a good-will Christmas and New Year cruise, his agent said.
How much are you willing to pay?
I can put out weekly press releases, media alerts, etc., for the right price…
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
Good question.
I guess it would be a good way to generate buzz about me in order to get a new and better job.
it's like using a search firm, basically, but probably cheaper.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
I'm a headhunter
Send me your resume, maybe we can get you on the cruise full time
If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.
If you can do that, I'll send you mine, too.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
The real downside is...
…that managers are hired to be fired.
Could the Cubs pull the trigger when he had to be done, or would Ryne last longer because of his connection to the team.
I keep thinking about Denis Savard, and how he was fired. Would Sandberg have the dignity and class that Savard did when he got axed?
It's a great question. And one I've thought about, too.
Reconciling Sandberg the Hall of Fame Cubs player with Sandberg the Manager (if he’s unsuccessful) is going to be very tough for fans, I think.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
The Cubs fired Phil Cavarretta and Stan Hack.
Neither of those guys were Hall of Famers, but were the most popular Cubs of their era and led the team to several pennants as players. They were less successful as managers, and were fired.
We’d hope Sandberg would be more successful, but if not — well, Ted Williams got fired as a manager. So did Joe Torre, and Casey Stengel, and Lou Piniella. It’s part of the deal.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Williams didn't manage the Red Sox
I would hope the Cubs treat Sandberg as any other manager would be treated. My fear is that if he is in over his head, they won’t pull the trigger soon enough.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
But Sandberg
may have a much better team to manage and with a new owner, more support financially with players. I’m sure Ricketts has to be a Sandberg fan, what Cub fan isn’t?
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
I want the Cubs to
hire the best manager available if/when Lou leaves. If that happens to be Sandberg…great. If not, that is fine too.
I personally can’t endorse Sandberg since I have never seen him manage nor have I seen any reports to his skills as a manager.
"All I want is food and creative love" - Rusted Root
by TheRiot Police on Dec 8, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
+1 rec'd
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 8, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
True. That's a good perspective to bring to it.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
Fergie Jenkins
…was fired as the Cubs Pitching coach.
Eamus Ursuli!
Des Moines is buzzing!
the news of Sandberg coming to mange the I-Cubs hit the web sites, local sports TV news as a lead off, and was on every sports talk radio. For baseball to supplant the Iowa Hawkeyes and Iowa State Cyclones taking bowl invitations Sunday is something pretty surprising. I for one will get to a few more games because of Ryno. A good friend in Tennessee emailed me to say Sandberg signs autographs for an hour or so before every game and stays after to satisfy all who seek him out. I expect this to be a big attendance boost early in the season.
If you can tell, I am excited also. Sandberg is on a very short list of my all-time favorite Cubs, maybe tops on my list. This is a big deal here during the blizzard we’re having (foot of snow expected, 40-50 MPH winds).
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
It doesn't take much to supplant the cyclones
by thehat34 on Dec 8, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I have been saying
for the last two years I would love to see a situation play out where Sandberg comes in to manage. Greg Maddux as our pitching coach and Dawson coming on to be hitting coach. I think that would pretty cool, but who knows if they would become as good coaches as players. PLus I dont know if they all accually like each other. I thought I read somewhere that Ryne and Grace hated each other.
Milwaukee looking for starting pitching
Word is they offered Randy Wolf 3 years, $28 million.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
Jeez!
That’s a lot of money for an old pitcher
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
Well if Milwaukee wants to limit themselves with this kind of deal, I'm all for it.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
Agreed
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
Especially one that was mediocre from 2004 - 2008
I suspect last year may have been an outlier. He’d probably be decent, but nowhere near #1 or #2 material.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
He's only 33, though
Not really old.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
Really?
I thought he was closer to 40
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
At your age, he probably seems like it! :)
Your time will come . . . sooner than you think.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
At 34 I'm surprised he doesn't need a walker to get to the mound
Nah it just seems like Wolf has been around forever
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
He has been around a while
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think that is so bad
He’s what 33? That’s pretty decent money considering the thin starting pitching market and that the Brewers are desperate.
Officially Aaron Free since 12/3/2009. Good work Hendry.
In other news, Jose Valverde rejected Houston's arbitration offer
Get it done, Jim.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
It's a shame we don't have the money to get him
Because his act would be a lot less annoying when it was ending games for the Cubs. That’s a good closer who is going to be a good signing whoever gets him.
Officially Aaron Free since 12/3/2009. Good work Hendry.
actually, as good as he is, I'd be perfectly happy never seeing him in a Cubs uniform
the guy is the definition of an asshat. And his act would be incredibly embarrassing here
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
Really?
It can’t be any worse than Milton Bradley.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
Umm, yes it can
Have you seen his hijinks? Even Bradley wasn’t doing an idiotic dance every time he got an out
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
I think you miss the point
I don’t mind showing that sort of enthusiasm on the mound. At least Valverde isn’t taking shots at the fans of his ball club. That’s the difference.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
True, but Valverde's act is the kind that can rub opponents the wrong way.
And when teams feel shown up, they take that out by hitting players. I’m not sure I want that, either.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
Stability at closer
We haven’t had real stability at closer since Kerry Wood left via free agency. Given the fact that Carlos Marmol has been shaky in his last two seasons, I’m not comfortable with him closing out big games. Jose Valverde is an established closer and I would like to see him closing games for the Cubs if it is possible.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
Wood has been gone for one year
It’s not like the Cubs haven’t had stabilty for decades.
I agree with you on Valverde, though. And I’d trade Marmol for Granderson in a heartbeat if Detroit would do it.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2009 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
I'd take Valverde as well (if the Price is Right)
Even if his act at the end of the game makes me want to puke.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
no time to puke
when you hear Go Cubs Go come on right after
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I suppose.
That dance just rubs me the wrong way, the same way that players mugging for the cameras after homeruns do.
Would I like Valverde closing? For sure. But I don’t know that I’d ever grow to love that dance.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
If that dance is done in the World Series clinching game, would you care?
Just asking.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
Not at all.
You win the World Series, celebrate however you want. I’m partial to the team dog pile, but whatever you want to do in that case.
On May 10, when you protect a 3-run lead versus Washington, maybe tone it down a bit, that’s all.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
do you remember what it felt like around here on May 10th?
Tight sphincters doesn’t begin to describe it…
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 8, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
Because even then we knew there was a problem
despite your ilk claiming we had to wait until June
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
my ilk?
we were still in the race in July, my friend.
I know it’s snowing, but really, teh cranky…
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 8, 2009 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
we might have been in the race
but there were very obvious signs there were serious problems with this team very early on.
That’s why the tight sphincters in May
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
I rather think it was
the enormous expectations that, even in May, weren’t being lived up to. I suppose that’s a different way of saying the same thing.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 8, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
I disavow all memories of the 2009 season.
Except for the 3 games I attended.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
I'll take the asshat who gets outs
over the nice guy who doesn’t.
Officially Aaron Free since 12/3/2009. Good work Hendry.
by nji232 on Dec 8, 2009 9:00 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
There are plenty of guys who get outs without making a spectacle of themselves at all times
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
This is a train of thought I've never understood
Who cares what crap the guy does, as long as it isn’t hurting his teammates. I don’t think I’ve ever heard of Valverde’s teammates complaining about him dancing around and crapping his pants after each strike. If the other team doesn’t like it- too bad.
Officially Aaron Free since 12/3/2009. Good work Hendry.
absolutely
i hate him as an opposing player but would love him as a Cub
"I hate to sound like a broken record, but I guess it's better than sounding like a broken mp3 player because then you would'nt hear anything." - Len Kasper
Here's a line I found funny from a blurb about the Pirates going after Bobby Crosby
The Pirates, not completely satisfied with Ronny Cedeno, are intensifying their pursuit of Crosby now that Everett is off the board, according to major-league sources.
I can’t believe they aren’t completely satisfied with ONEDEC!
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
And sadly Bobby Crosby is the answer for them
The guy can’t be better than Cedeno
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
They've got a kid in Triple-A who can pick it with the best of them
But his bat is at least a full year away from the Majors.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
?
Their top middle infield prospect is probably Chase D’Arnaud, who profiles more for 2nd base. Their top shortstop prospect is probably Brian Friday, who’s decent-solid defensively. He’s also in AA, and probably will start there in 2010. After that, there’s some low level youngsters, but nothing that really stands out.
I was referring to Argenis Diaz.
His glove is solid, but he’s nowhere near ready for the Majors offensively. I’m not even sure he was ready for Triple-A, offensively, last year.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
*at best, he turns into an Andres Blanco-type.
but I doubt he does.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
forgot about Diaz
but that’s more because I really don’t think he’s a major league player. I think Andres Blanco would be a positive result for him.
Yeah, I question whether he'll ever hit for average at the Major League level.
He looked lost last year in Indianapolis
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
Wild (?) rumors and some non-news
… On the second morning of the meetings, Cubs general manager Jim Hendry was seen in the Marriott Hotel lobby well before 9 a.m. local time, chatting with Nationals manager Jim Riggleman, a longtime friend…
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
Bradley for Dunn!
“Batting fourth and playing center field, number 15, Adam Dunn!”
j/k
good god.
what a nightmare.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 8, 2009 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
couldn't remember Dunn's number
I just guessed.
Actually I think it's 15-1/2.
Oh wait. That’s his shoe size…
Now only 12,859 on the "Cubs Season Tickets Waiting List"...
We need to get "over Dunn".
Ba-da BOOM. Ching!
Now only 12,859 on the "Cubs Season Tickets Waiting List"...
Maybe if the NL had the DH
We could do a platoon of Soriano and Dunn as LF/DH.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
Nah, that platoon of Hoffpauir/Fox would have rocked.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
His rights were given to a Japanese team :(
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
Some day
the NL will have the DH, maybe after the next collective bargaining agreements?
Even so, I’d still rather have Soriano hopping around out in Lf than Dunn.
They'd need to change CFers every three innings . . .
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2009 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
Bradley would be Dunn for
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
Back to Sandberg... he'd also be considerably cheaper than bringing Lou back for another
year or two. Not saying that should be the primary reason for promoting him next year, but if the Cubs want to cut costs and have money to put some place else then they can save a few million by using Ryne over Lou.
Sometimes you get what you pay for
I’m not totally, 100 percent against Sandberg, but I’ve seen nothing so far that makes me think he can lead the Cubs to a World Series.
I don’t think it would be a good move for the Cubs, but I can be persuaded otherwise. Not right now, though.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Dec 8, 2009 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
I am ready for a trade today
Make it happen!
by Cubsfan Waveland on Dec 8, 2009 10:07 AM CST reply actions
So apparently two teams in baseball have no statistical analysis department
According to the Biz of Baseball. I’m guessing I know one of those teams. (Hint- its the Cubs)
Officially Aaron Free since 12/3/2009. Good work Hendry.
You'd be wrong about that.
Here’s the Cubs’ front office. On the list is “Manager, Baseball Information, Chuck Wasserstrom”. Statistical analysis is part of what Wasserstrom does.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Well I guess I stand corrected
Truly shocking IMO, though I doubt he has anybody working with him.
Officially Aaron Free since 12/3/2009. Good work Hendry.
That, I do not know.
But clearly, it’s not the Cubs who are one of the teams.
If I had to guess, one of them might be the Nationals — they seem pretty disorganized. But that’s purely a guess.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I'd guess the Royals,
based on the moves Dayton Moore has made since he’s been GM.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Dec 8, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
Mets and Royals
It’s gotta be those two, right? See, exhibit A, Jeff Francoeur; exhibit B, Yunieski Bettancourt,
I'm thinking Royals too
Based on a number of their recent moves, Bettancourt being the worst offense
Officially Aaron Free since 12/3/2009. Good work Hendry.
Twitter tweet - wishful thinking?
Brommmietze RT @cantstopdude: Bruce Levine of ESPN 1000 is reporting the #cubs could trade Milton Bradley as early as tonight. I sure hope so! 3 minutes ago from API
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
Wow, let's hope so.
Enough already. Get it done, Jim. (Seriously.)
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I'm thinking not much is going to happen. I hope I'm wrong.
But the last couple days have the air of nothing more than breathless rumors and “good foundations for later”.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
Pretty much like every recent year at the Winter Meetings.
Made worse by thousands of tweets.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
On ESPN Radio last night
Levine said Thursday at the latest for a Bradley deal
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
I'll believe it when I see it
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
Granderson's price tag too high for Yankees
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
Wow
If the Yankees aren’t crazy enough to throw money at him, I’m not sure it’s a great idea. The Yankees were right on Joe DiMaggio when the Cubs didn’t want to take a risk on him.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
it has nothing to do with the money
it’s what the Tigers are asking for him
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
No surprise
Unless he gets a good return for Granderson or Jackson, he really accomplishes nothing by trading them. He’ll still have a sky-high payroll for 2010 and not have two of his better younger players.
I fail at reading
Of course, I didn’t read the article.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
Was Brian Sabean the GM in 1934?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
He's signed players
Over the last couple of years that were born in 1934!
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
Hey-O!
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
the idea that the yankees would back away from a granderson trade because
they didn’t want to deal Kennedy/Jackson/Dunn/Coke is rather … funny to me. If the Yankees can get that trade, they should make it in an instant. That’s highway robbery, and the fact that they backed out … I just don’t get it. Every organization has a Ian Kennedy type, an end of the rotation arm that throws strikes. Dunn/Coke are pen arms. Jackson’s decent, but he really doesn’t hit for power right now and he isn’t really a top of the order bat. Furthermore, his defense, while solid, isn’t plus. If only the Cubs could get a young CF and jump into this …
Well if you keep making that prediction eventually you can say...
…“I got that one right.”
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
This is my favorite quote from the winter meetings:
""I would think that a different environment would help him immensely." Lou Pineilla on Milton Bradley.
Why is it my favorite? Partly because its clear Lou doesn’t want Milton back, even if he won’t straight up say that, and partly because you could copy and paste this comment an apply it to almost every year Bradley has played. And yet teams still think that the problem is WHERE he plays, and not the player himself
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
-1
You’re like BLou without the knowledge or entertainment value.
Are you familiar with the old robot saying, "Does not compute"?
by dr stabbingworth on Dec 8, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
-2
Too mean! It’s the holiday season, man!
Dum spiro spero…
Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on Dec 8, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed, and
I didn’t think that Bo was really off in his assesment
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
Oops, maybe the holidays are making me extra salty
Are you familiar with the old robot saying, "Does not compute"?
by dr stabbingworth on Dec 8, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
÷ 3
Dare I give the Cubs my heart again?
by digitalbenjamin on Dec 8, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
No
But your entire post is projecting your thoughts of Bradley on Lou. The guy will be gone within the next day or two. Why bother to grind your ax with him?
Are you familiar with the old robot saying, "Does not compute"?
by dr stabbingworth on Dec 8, 2009 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not projecting my thoughts about anything.
The direct quote has Lou saying Bradley would do better in a new environment. Sometimes you need to read between the lines. You really don’t think that he was basically saying “yeah, Bradley needs to go”? Really?
I bother to grind my axe because there are still people who think Bradley’s issues will magically be fixed if some outside situation changes. That’s not the case, it’s why we’re in this mess in the first place, because Hendry bought into that line of thinking.
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
No
Because I don’t know what Lou is thinking, and neither do you. “Reading between the lines” is absurd. You’re just pretending you know what Lou is thinking.
And what difference does it make anyway? Bradley is all but gone. The Bradley bashing is ridiculous.
Do you like any Cubs players? You seem to have a poor opinion of just about every Cub mentioned in the last two days.
Are you familiar with the old robot saying, "Does not compute"?
by dr stabbingworth on Dec 8, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
oh please. It's called common sense and paying attention
But you really want to argue that wasn’t what he was saying, whatever, it’s not worth debating.
As far as “do you like any Cubs players?” I’m not particularly fond of a couple of bad players who have no business being on this team
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
I stand by my comment
You have all the negativity of BLou and your understanding of what makes a “bad” player is way off base.
Are you familiar with the old robot saying, "Does not compute"?
by dr stabbingworth on Dec 8, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
Oh well
I’m hoping I’ll still be able to sleep tonight
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
Your comment
makes plenty of sense, even if it’s kind of obvious. It’s very true and will continue to be so, no matter the negativity. To me, there’s plenty of negativity besides MB that people can find with this ballclub.
We're not scaremongering (nightmare of a season continues), this is really happening (Bears are more than done) - Radiohead
"There’s plenty of negativity besides MB that people can find with this ballclub"
You’re right; there is. Some of us are just tired of the constant negativity.
Are you familiar with the old robot saying, "Does not compute"?
by dr stabbingworth on Dec 8, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
if it tires you so, ignore it.
I don’t respond to every post on here. Neither do you.
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
why do you care
so long as at least one GM buys into it?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 8, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
Because I find it ridiculous
I thought that was fairly obvious
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
so because it's ridiculous to you
it’s worth consistently bringing up?
Alright, I guess.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 8, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
Yes. Why do YOU care?
I didn’t force you into the conversation. Oh, that’s right because we ALL voice our opinions when we the mood hits us.
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
Twitter tweet - Satire?
Winter Meeting recap: #Cubs to trade Bradley for Jesus & yankees receive one player of their choice from every team. (via @tywellington)
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
by eths on Dec 8, 2009 11:04 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Link
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
Hard to do via mobile - sorry
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
by eths on Dec 8, 2009 11:10 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I bet he thought that was going to be hilarious. Fell flat
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
Exactly - the hype and information noise is amazing
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
by eths on Dec 8, 2009 11:11 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'd trade for Jesus
Dude can come back on 3 days rest.
Are you familiar with the old robot saying, "Does not compute"?
by dr stabbingworth on Dec 8, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
LOL
Do you think he’d give a sermon on the mound?
Okay, I admit I stole that joke. There was a commedian who did a whole bit about Harry Caray calling the first baseball game. It was pretty good.
Harry Caray: Marshall is going back to LA to get cocaine for his injured foot.
Steve Stone: Harry, that’s Novocaine.
by Julio Zuleta's Voodoo on Dec 8, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
Can he pick up a baseball though?
You just don’t come back from those hand injuries right away.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
As a reliever, he'd surely have the...
highest number of saves.
WWJD...
…with runners on the corners and no outs?
Before each game, please remember to feed the bats.
He'd pull Barry Zito and bring in the long reliever
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is." -- Yogi Berra
Surely the Brewers aren't this stupid!
Corey Hart to the Mets for John Maine?? Linky
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
If Maine passed a physical, I'd make that trade in a second.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
Really?
He can’t stay healthy IMO and Hart is a Stud! I wouldn’t do it. Hart can net alot more than John Maine surely!
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
Hart had a really bad second half
And Maine IF healthy (agreed, he has had trouble) could be a #2 or 3 starter. 2007 was the only year that Hart’s OPS+ was above average.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
If anything, I don't understand what the Mets are doing
they NEED pitching
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
Agreed completely
Oliver Perez can’t be counted on and Pelfrey hasn’t developed as quickly as they’d hoped.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2009 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
Brewers
Are seemingly trading and spending on Mid Level Starters. I don’t understand why they don’t go get a #1 in Lackey. Lackey and Gallardo would look good coupled with that awesome offense. I wouldn’t do that trade but that’s just me.
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
A trade for Maine doesn't preclude going after a FA starter
Although Lackey is probably out of their budget.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
I would spend
27 Million on Harden before Wolf
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
Hmm. Fire or ice.
I would rather keep Harden, but not at that price with his health history.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
I'm starting to think Harden will be
last man standing. Seems like a lot of teams are turning away from him. I half wonder if we might be able to revisit this in January.
I wouldn't
Wolf is good AND reliable. I wanted him last year.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Dec 8, 2009 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
money
they don’t have what lackey is demanding. personally, I think Melvin is in an awfully tough position. He has a very nice group of young arms in the lower levels, but I don’t think they are going to develop fast enough such that they can mesh with the current positional core.
Hart's been on a decline
and there are some people that wonder if he simply had an aberration 2 years ago. Add in his increasing costs, and I think it makes enough sense for the Brewers, with their desperate need for pitching. I don’t think Maine is anything more than a mid rotation type at best, in all honesty, but Hart’s value has really dropped and they really need pitching.
Hart missed a lot of games last year (injured?)
… his OBA went up from his 2008 level. I’d take him.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I wouldn't
I like Hart, but I think his best days are behind him.
I’d rather they took a flier on Maine.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
fundamentally, would i
take a gamble on Corey Hart? If the price is right, sure. I don’t expect the power to come back, but if the price is low enough, sure, I’d ponder it. That said, the idea that the OP had, that Corey Hart-John Maine is a steal for the Mets isn’t one I would agree with.
Sandberg Downside
I agree that Ryno’s being groomed to take over for Lou at some point, but has anyone considered how hard it would to be to fire a Cubs legend if things went poorly in Chicago?
Just sayin’
Numbers may not lie, but they don’t tell the whole truth (and nothing but the truth), either. -- Doug Glanville
If things go poorly in Chicago, the fans will be more than willing to see him go
You just reassign him to another part of the organization.
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
As noted above...
… Fergie Jenkins was fired as Cubs pitching coach.
Granted, Sandberg has a higher profile as a Cub than Jenkins, and managing is different than being a pitching coach. But if the Cubs didn’t do well under him, sure, I wouldn’t have a problem with management firing him.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
This question is irrelevant to his fitness as a manager, I'm just wondering
But how uncomfortable would you feel criticizing his managerial style? I know you’d do it if you felt it was warranted, but would you feel bad about it?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
Why fire him?
Just promote him to the front office and add some spin.
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
by eths on Dec 8, 2009 11:27 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
jcrasnick: The Cubs, in the market for an experienced reliever, are keeping an eye on J.J. Putz. He recently long tossed for some teams in Arizona.
Tamia Lynn Davis:
Born: August 18, 2008
FWIW: Putz is German slang for a weak wristed idiot
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
by eths on Dec 8, 2009 11:29 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
its also yiddish for something else
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
and "long tossed"?
whew…
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 8, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
But he insists it pronounced like an ew and not a traditional u
Right J.J whatever you say. Now we just need to find his distant cousin. J.K Shlameel and then get Peter Schmuck ( his real name) the Orioles beat writer to cover them.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Dec 8, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
Ugh. I hope the Yankees don't get Granderson
Nick Pietruszkiewicz: From Buster: The Diamondbacks are negotiating with the idea that they are going to get both Edwin Jackson and Ian Kennedy. There is growing confidence on at least two sides on the three-team deal that this has a good chance to get done. One source who had placed the odds at 20 percent at 9 a.m. ET texted at 11 a.m. that the odds were up to 30 percent
Tamia Lynn Davis:
Born: August 18, 2008
Seriously, how does one measure the difference between 20 and 30 percent
when talking about whether or not a deal is going to be done. This is why twitter should be blown up. Even when people have nothing to say, they say something.
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
You clearly don't understand Twitter.
Dum spiro spero…
Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on Dec 8, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
I can't wait until Ashton Kutcher lets us all know the next time he goes to the grocery store
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
if it tires you so, ignore it.
Are you familiar with the old robot saying, "Does not compute"?
by dr stabbingworth on Dec 8, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
I actually don't follow Ashton, I was making a point
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
I meant Twitter, and I couldn't resist being snarky
Are you familiar with the old robot saying, "Does not compute"?
by dr stabbingworth on Dec 8, 2009 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
I'm done now
I really didn’t mean to be so jerky in my first reply
Are you familiar with the old robot saying, "Does not compute"?
by dr stabbingworth on Dec 8, 2009 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
it's ironic
that all of the posts in this thread since 11:28 would, in fact, fit on Twitter.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 8, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
You don't care about that.
Over four million other people apparently do.
I, personally, don’t follow the guy. But claiming a useful and popular service for communicating short bits of information should be “blown up” because you don’t appreciate what one of the more popular people on that service has to say reeks of ignorance. Ashton Kutcher’s tweets aren’t in your world unless you wish them to be.
I’m sensing a common theme in your posts here of late… a complete disinterest in trying to see anything from any point of view that isn’t what you’ve already established as important to you. I don’t wish to pick a fight with you, but others will. You might save yourself a lot of trouble if you’d dial back the chest beating.
Dum spiro spero…
Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on Dec 8, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
I'm really not sure where you're getting that
“a complete disinterest in trying to see anything from any point of view that isn’t what you’ve already established as important to you.”
The only thing I’ve said about having a disinterest in is Twitter. Otherwise, if anything I’ve been told to shut up because I found a quote from Lou telling.
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
You have a habit...
… of making grand statements like “twitter should be blown up” or “lou means this” and then sticking to them as if what you’ve state is a fact, not opinion.
Not a big deal. People do it all the time. Just doesn’t seem the most prudent way of interacting.
Dum spiro spero…
Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on Dec 8, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
nobody makes you follow Kutcher
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 8, 2009 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
which is why I don't
which is what I said earlier. If you’re going to jump into the conversation, at least read up
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
Should all mediums that include bits of information that you don't personally care about be axed?
Do you spend a lot of time watching Lifetime TV or listening to hyper-religious talk radio? Do you read every word of the newspaper?
Don’t be dense. You choose who you follow. If they are spewing information you don’t appreciate, it is one click and you never have to see a word from that individual again.
Dum spiro spero…
Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on Dec 8, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
It was Hyperbole
of course its not actually going to get blown up. Calm down
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
I'm fully aware that you weren't advocating taking a bomb to twitters servers.
I understand hyperbole.
Funny that you would ask me to calm down. I’m just responding to your posts here, man. I’m not the one advocating terrorist attacks on social networking websites.
Dum spiro spero…
Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on Dec 8, 2009 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
I'm going to be seriously pissed
if the Yankees are allowed to committ highway robbery. Okay, maybe seriously pissed, but man …
Unfortunately, the Cubs don’t have a young CF with Austin Jackson’s upside. I think Austin Jackson is quite overhyped, and if he is the key to a deal … geesh, the Yankees are getting a steal if anything close to the original trade happens.
+1
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
they are..
and personally, if i were the Tigers i would see what the Cubs would have to offer before I trade him to the Yankees. For one you have to go through the Yankees to get to the World Series and two, I think the Cubs package might bring a bigger reward.
Tamia Lynn Davis:
Born: August 18, 2008
right now, we don't mesh up
we would need to find a 4th team to find a CF. We can conceivably jump into the 3-way (speaking hypothetically of course) and meet the needs of the D-backs (hypothetically). But there isn’t a CF that works for them.
But trading a high caliber
guy like Granderson to the Yankees would have to raise the prices just because the Yankees are in the AL though right? Jackson is super over-hyped.
Tamia Lynn Davis:
Born: August 18, 2008
Would anybody do this trade?
Cubs trade: Sean Marshall, Andrew Cashner, Josh Vitters & Jeff Samardzija, 500 K (for Samardzija)
Tigers trade: Curtis Granderson and a low-level prospect
Realistic?
Tamia Lynn Davis:
Born: August 18, 2008
I'd do that in a heartbeat
Wouldn’t even need a low level prospect. I don’t think the Tigers would do it. It seems fairly clear that what they want to accomplish is to find a young, potential TOR arm in whatever deal they make. We don’t have close to a Scherzer level talent. They also want a young CF with upside, which we don’t have.
Well I think
Scherzer isn’t going anywhere. And he would only go if they traded Granderson and Jackson in the same package.
Would you offer Randy Wells?
Tamia Lynn Davis:
Born: August 18, 2008
only for Granderson straight up or with a couple of lower prospects
than Cashner and Vitters
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
all the current rumors
suggest that the D-backs are willing to part with Scherzer, which I don’t understand. Jackson/Kennedy would not be enough for me.
I don’t think the Tigers are looking for a Randy Wells type arm. Would I offer it if it was the difference in a deal? Probably, depending on the rest of the package.
I don't
we should have kept him. The whole Milton Bradley thing would never have happened.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 8, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
honestly
if the Tigers would take Felix Pie, I’d burn up the phone lines with Baltimore trying to land him, even if it costs more than what we got last year (Olson/Williamson). I mean, I wouldn’t go crazy, but I’d be pushing hard. They don’t have to deal him … but they also don’t have a real big need for him (Reimold/Jones/Markakis would be a fine OF, L-R). Orioles need middle infield depth, which is right in our wheelhouse as well.
That said, I’m dreaming.
Wouldn't it just be worth keeping Pie at that point?
The two are very similar players, and Pie seemed to be putting it together at the end of the season.
Are you familiar with the old robot saying, "Does not compute"?
by dr stabbingworth on Dec 8, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
right
why not just trade to bring Pie back?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 8, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
That's been suggested
by others at BCB. It makes sense in a way, but I doubt the Cubs (read: Lou) would change their opinion of him.
largely because
despite his strong 2nd half, I’m not real sold on the bat for 2010, and if the price isn’t heavy, I’d rather go with Granderson’s impact.
expanding on it
if you look at Pie’s numbers, his 2nd half numbers look nice because he had a really hot 2 week stretch in mid-late August. He cooled down thereafter. I think his bat may continue to develop, but I think you’ll see a lot of erratic play as he continues to figure things out.
That said, Baltimore may simply hold onto him because they don’t have huge needs. You could make the argument that, long run, he might be better than Adam Jones defensively and they could make Reimold the DH.
I'd do it.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 8, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
Shark
Has a no-trade clause and if I remember correctly his agent said he wasn’t going anywhere!
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
You think he would waive it
for more playing time and a chance to start? The Tigers are a team that’s capable of going to the playoffs if they keep some players around.
Tamia Lynn Davis:
Born: August 18, 2008
Let's remember too...
That the reason the Tigers are having this mini-firesale is to unload salary. Shark’s salary is pretty sizeable!
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
~$2M for a starting pitcher
is not “sizeable”. Even if the Tigers are trying to shed some salary, they aren’t the Pirates.
I'd do it without the low level prospect add in
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
Where's..
The Bruce Miles or Deep Goat Updates?? Geez
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
Old news basically.
jcrasnick: The Cubs are very interested in Mike Cameron, but there’ll be nothing doing on that front until they can trade that Milton Bradley guy
Tamia Lynn Davis:
Born: August 18, 2008
seems like ALL rumors have slowed to a trickle today
wonder why that is?
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
Calm before the Storm?
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
one can hope
otherwise the winter meetings are going to be awfully dull.
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
the Cubs will do something before Thursday
I think that’s a safe bet.
I'll bet Milton isn't gone 10 minutes
before Cameron is officially a Cub. Lou probably won’t shut up to Hendry about it.
Officially Aaron Free since 12/3/2009. Good work Hendry.
what's odd ...
is that Bruce Levine pretty much dismissed Cameron as an option last night on ESPN 1000. He seemed to think the Cubs were more likely to sign Ankiel.
So Levine says the Cubs are likely to trade MB sometime Tuesday, that the Royals might be an option and that Ankiel could be in the Cubs’ plans.
Other sources, the S-T, say MB is more likely to go to Tampa and that Cameron is a serious option.
sources seem to be a dime a dozen this time of year
so it all depends on which “sources” actually know something, or just love to look important
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
At this point I think Levine is in denial about Cameron
Bc Lou has more or less said he thinks Cameron is perfect for the Cubs and he really wants him.
Officially Aaron Free since 12/3/2009. Good work Hendry.
Lets just hope this doesn't go the same way "getting lefthanded" did
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
But why?
Why would Levine be in denial?
I almost wonder if Levine is reporting something to help a source within the Cubs who wants to strengthen a bargaining position. Levine, IMO, is rarely that far off ala Phil Rogers.
Maybe he does have a source whispering to him
that says we don’t want Cameron, but Lou has flat out said he wants him. I don’t see why Levine wouldn’t just realize that usually what Lou wants, Lou gets
Officially Aaron Free since 12/3/2009. Good work Hendry.
Unless he's also hearing that Hendry knows his job is on the line
and is taking more of a stand than he has in the past
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
If the Cubs sign Ankiel, Mrs. Zeke is going to "plotz".
She HATES the guy.
Now only 12,859 on the "Cubs Season Tickets Waiting List"...
I just don't want to see the Yanks
land Granderson.
by Cubsfan Waveland on Dec 8, 2009 12:03 PM CST reply actions
Is that throwing up into the air, catching it again in your mouth, and then repeating the same procedure?
Now only 12,859 on the "Cubs Season Tickets Waiting List"...
Just happened
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
I might suggest closing your eyes then
bc it seems like that is going to happen
Officially Aaron Free since 12/3/2009. Good work Hendry.
I don't care if the Yanks land him
I just hate the idea that they can steal him for pennies.
I also hate the fact that
a) It seems like Milton Bradley is holding us up, when all along, it seemed fairly clear that we’d have to either eat most of it, or take back a bad contract that covered most of it.
b) the Cubs can’t get in this deal simply because they lack a young CF. I tend to think Austin Jackson is overhyped.
+1
I don’t understand why any Bradley deal should be taking more than today to work out. It’s not like Hendry hasn’t been talking to teams for weeks now.
It’s also why I’m beginning to really distrust whether Bradley will be gone at all.
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
I think it's funny
that all the people who say Bradley is an utter turd also don’t understand why the deal can’t get done quickly.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 8, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
that would be relevant, except that apparently it's the amount of money
being paid out that is the hold up, not that NO teams want him.
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
sure
they’ll take him for free. I’ve said several times before, and I’ll say it again — Ricketts isn’t going to just give Milton Bradley away. If the cost is too high, he should simply be a Cub in 2010.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 8, 2009 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
Just because you say it several times, doesn't make it correct
he SHOULD NOT be a Cub. His former teammates don’t want him here, his manager doesn’t want him here, and the CLUB doesn’t want him here.
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
there you go
making those big pronouncements again.
If dropping Milton Bradley means paying the $20 mill he’s owed, that’s a terrible decision to make.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 8, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
you know what, you aren't dragging me off the original point you tried to make
which was I don’t understand why he’s such a turd AND can’t be traded. His contract is a much bigger hurdle apparently than the fact that he’s a turd. So the two are not related.
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
it's funny because
no one ever really talks about his contract, except in the context of him allegedly being a turd.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 8, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
At some point, though...
… you have to agree that trading him stops making sense, right?
If ditching him nets us nothing and saves us no money, what is the point? Isn’t that the same as cutting him? In that case, why not bring him to spring training and see what happens? If his value is 0, it cant’ get any worse… maybe he’d get along OK, play well, and interest in his services would grow.
This isn’t a simple addition by subtraction issue here. Giving a talented but troubled guy away for free serves no benefit for the cubs, and serves only to risk that he’d take off and make us regret it.
Dum spiro spero…
Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on Dec 8, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
Get along and play well?
Maybe, though I have my doubts.
It’s the media circus that the Cubs don’t want. Is that worth $20m? Probably not, but it should be worth something to them to avoid it.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
We all have our doubts.
But it isn’t impossible.
It’d be the least preferred option, obviously. But at some point, what we have is better than what we might get, attitude problems and all. If, hypothetically, his value really is at absolute zero, than giving him away (0% chance the end result helps the team) makes less sense than keeping him (0.0005% chance the end result helps the team).
Dum spiro spero…
Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on Dec 8, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
Whoa whoa whoa there...
…I’ve called him MUCH worse than a turd, com’on now.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Part of me wants to just give up Castro.
That same part of me thinks Lee might be a better SS eventually anyway — and that Castro will be a .250/.330/.390 type guy. Hope I’m wrong.
That’s the Cub fan in me I guess.
Tamia Lynn Davis:
Born: August 18, 2008
and I agree on the rest, I worry that Castro is just another in a long line
of “can’t miss” AAAA superstars that this particular farm system has churned out
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
but that's not based on anything other than my pessimism thanks to
Cedeno, Pie, Hill, Patterson……………….
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
The Yanks were linked to Camerson
One less team to bid on his services if they get Granderson.
Are you familiar with the old robot saying, "Does not compute"?
by dr stabbingworth on Dec 8, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
RT @MLBNewstoday Royals: Bradley deal not on radar http://bit.ly/6jeICH
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
Bruce Levine is the only reporter ...
reporting the Royals as a MB contender.
Anyone listening to the MLB.com Live Show??
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
White Sux
Just gave Teahan an extension!
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
I've never really understood why Teahen gets so much love
He’s pretty mediocre across the offensive board
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
OT: Twins show interest in Kevin Kouzmanoff
according to LaVelle Neal of the Mpls. Star-Tribune. No likey.
Reports Say..
Brewers are gonna meet with Mark Mulder’s agent today. Would you take a chance on Mulder on a 1 yr deal if the price was right?
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
This interest is likely due to Rick Peterson being with the Brewers.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I tried putting it in the message also.
by ronniebaseball on Dec 8, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
We take a pretty dim view of Bleacher Report around here.
Plus, the Heath Bell rumor was debunked yesterday.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
It was debunked elsewhere.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Dec 8, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
Twitter tweet
#Diamondbacks and #Tigers waiting on #Yankees to sign off on 3-way deal. Answer expected by 2 pm Eastern
UberTwitter • 08.12.09 19:18
retweeted by @mlbtraderumors
08.12.09 19:23
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
by eths on Dec 8, 2009 12:25 PM CST via mobile reply actions
lol
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
Undercut them Jim
get Granderson now!!!!
by Cubsfan Waveland on Dec 8, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
The 3 way deal between Yanks/Bbacks/Tigers is almost done??
If this deal goes down
I’m gonna have to go somewhere and unload several F-bombs!
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
I hope it doesn't.
All I want for Christmas is Granderson. :-)
Tamia Lynn Davis:
Born: August 18, 2008
I'm disappointed too...
…. but if the Cubs can dump Bradley at a reasonable cost, and sign Cameron, we’ll be OK.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
so define
reasonable cost. $6 million? $10 million? $15 million?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 8, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
That's a good question.
I know the Cubs have an amount they want to pay — I don’t know what it is, but if the Rays had agreed to it, the deal would have been done already.
The fact that it hasn’t means the Rays probably want the Cubs to eat more of the deal. The Cubs may be balking. IMO, they need to do it.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
how much is reasonable
for you?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 8, 2009 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
Me?
The deal I’d like to see made would have Bradley go for Burrell — equal contracts in 2009, and then the Cubs pay half of the 2010 deal.
But if they had to pay more than that, I’d still do it.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
per Foxsports.com
- The Yankees would get Granderson from the Tigers.
- The Diamondbacks would get right-hander Edwin Jackson from the Tigers and Kennedy from the Yankees.
- The Tigers would get right-hander Max Scherzer from the Diamondbacks, and Austin Jackson, Coke and Dunn from the Yankees.
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
That's a good deal for the Tigers.
And one we probably could not match.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I wouldn't say good
but it’s a decent deal for the Tigers. We can match all the arms the Yankees are handing out … we’re just lacking that centerfield prospect (even though Austin Jackson is overrated).
it's too bad
they don’t need a SS. Or a short second baseman. :P
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 8, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
Actually their saying
This is the deal minus 1 of the left handers being sent to the tigers
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
the main part of the deal
that I don’t get is the Diamondbacks. For a team that is rebuilding, for a team that had recent financial problems, why give up Scherzer? He’s cheaper and better than Edwin Jackson, IMO. I’m not a big fan of Ian Kennedy. I guess if they are superbly high on Kennedy, then it makes some sense. the other thing would be if they had concerns about Scherzer’s mechanics.
I'm getting a bad feeling
Were gonna really sad by the weekend as it pertains to our beloved Cubbies
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
Geez.
It’s only Tuesday. There has been ONE trade made so far. Patience!
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I had my heart set on Granderson
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
So did a lot of us.
It probably won’t happen. Gotta get over it and move on.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
one good thing ...
Granderson going to the Yankees means the cost for other CFs will go down. If the Cubs have to settle for the 2nd or 3rd best choice, at least they won’t have to pay as much for it.
well
you could make the argument that the price might go up. With several teams looking for center fielders and a limited market, that could bode well for a guy like Cameron.
are several teams looking for CFers?
Also, do several teams have lots of money to spare?
actually, now that I think about it, no
There aren’t that many teams looking for a CF, although some teams will ponder Cameron/Byrd in a corner OF role (the Angels have been rumored on Cameron).
I don't think it was ever that likely
The Cubs are betting that Castro will be more valuable than Granderson.
…and he might very well turn out to be so.
Numbers may not lie, but they don’t tell the whole truth (and nothing but the truth), either. -- Doug Glanville
yeah ...
but I don’t see any way Castro would be more valuable in 2010.
I don't think the Cubs think he'll be more valuable in 2010
they think he will eventually be more valuable in 2011, and beyond. No idea if they’re right, but they’re not willing to mortgage that chunk of their future for Granderson
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
Maybe, except I heard it was the CUBS who basically put a stop
to the Granderson talks when Castro was brought up
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
Yes but I don't believe a lot of the rumors
I’m still waiting for the shocking interest in Bradley that Rosenthan was reporting to emerge.
I guess we’ll never know the truth of the Cubs/Tigers talks.
Plus not sure who the Cubs have that could have replaced Scherzer/Jackson in the deal
I don’t think a lot of people are believers yet in Randy Wells.
we really couldn't match the Scherzer part
but, basically we are just a CF prospect short, as we could match and beat Kennedy/Coke with relative ease.
I think
it’s pretty unlikely they are right. Castro could be great, but he’s 19, it’s hard to project anyone that young, and the Cubs are notoriously bad at predicting and/or making it happen.
We know Granderson is an all-star (however imperfect his game is) and a great guy. Even if Castro turns out to be an all-star, we’re still getting a heck of a player in return, and could sign Reed Johnson to take some of the lefty at-bats.
DEJESUS!!!
I'm a little relieved
I just didn’t feel right about trading the farm for someone who can’t hit lefties. Bring on Mike Cameron!
I doubt were bringing on anyone...
We have no money unless we get some to pony up for MB. No one has to and we have no leverage. There are better options out there in the FA market. MB is gonna do exactly what I thought he would do and that is handicap our offseason. Of course I’m sure Al will respond to this and say its just Tuesday, that I need to wait. If we wanna get rid of Bradley-cut him and move on!
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
and kiss that $20 million goodbye?
how does that help us hire someone else?
Sheesh. He sure is a convenient scapegoat.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 8, 2009 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
At this point...
We might save a few million if we wait and wait and wait and wait. By then the available player pool will be picked through! I’m sure then we can overpay some has been or has not to come in and be our savior! I don’t see the gain of waiting!
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
just keep him on the team
he’s almost sure to play better in 2010 then he did in 2009. How about we get some value for our money?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 8, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
Hafta admit
I’m starting to wonder if this is the best, or at least, the most likely scenario. Maybe Rudy can fix him…
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Dec 8, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
facepalm
Dare I give the Cubs my heart again?
by digitalbenjamin on Dec 8, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
so seriously
you’d rather cut him and pay him $20 mill anyway, even if there’s no other alternative to keeping him on the team?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 8, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe the Cubs should invest more money in Milton
Hire a psychologist to deal with his mental problems and prescribe drugs
Hire a talk therapist so he has an outlet for his anger (maybe build him a little time-out room in the triangle lot)
Hire a bodyguard/PR guy to smack him upside the head when he thinks about talking to the media
I’m only half-joking here
Are you familiar with the old robot saying, "Does not compute"?
by dr stabbingworth on Dec 8, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions
sigh
maybe I should make a poll. If the choice is between keeping Milton as a Cub or cutting him and losing the $20million, do you:
A) Cut him
B) Keep him
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 8, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
are you sure?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 8, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
yes!
Are all the trade rumors surrounding him just Cub-fueled propaganda?
I know you’ll defend MB to the death. But you can question the value of trading him without blindly ignoring the fact that other teams ARE interested.
I’m not blindly ignoring anything. At this point, I think trading him is better for Bradley than it is for the Cubs — we’ll only take on a crap contract if we’re lucky, and he will never get a fair shake here.
However, rumor after rumor has been squashed.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 8, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
Here's a new poll
If the results come back overwhelmingly for option A, do you:
A) Cut yourself
B) Cut yourself
Are you familiar with the old robot saying, "Does not compute"?
by dr stabbingworth on Dec 8, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It depends.
Do the Rickett’s authorize additional payroll for the two years to allow the on-field product to be upgraded, or does the $20M create a hole without money to fill the gap in the lineup?
If there’s money, I’m okay with cutting him. If Sam Fuld/Tyler Colvin are the available solutions, I’m not okay with it.
at daver's request, Let's frontload this B**ch!
well, I suppose there might be room in the budget for Johnson. But if you cut Bradley and eat his $20mill, there’s not room for Cameron, for example. Maybe we could bring Jim Edmonds back for $500k! o.0
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 8, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
my facepalm was
A) It’s only Tuesday, and I think we’ll be able to move him. And I think JH will be willing to eat a lot of the contract if it ends up being the only way to get rid of him.
B) “Maybe Rudy can fix him”… Unless Rudy is a Psychiatrist, I doubt it.
Dare I give the Cubs my heart again?
by digitalbenjamin on Dec 8, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
The "maybe Rudy can fix him" part
was said tongue in cheek.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Dec 8, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
ah... missed that
Dare I give the Cubs my heart again?
by digitalbenjamin on Dec 8, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
An anecdote
A friend of mine works for a company that has one employee who keeps burning himself through his own negligence. So he is currently working at the company, but he also has two separate lawsuits pending against the company.
For whatever legal reason, the company cannot fire him. So instead, the guy is the new company bathroom cleaner.
I’m not saying I want Bradley to clean up my splash damage when I’m too drunk to hit the trough, but if the Cubs are going to pay for him, why not get some services?
Are you familiar with the old robot saying, "Does not compute"?
by dr stabbingworth on Dec 8, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
This. Totally agree.
That poor bathroom cleaning fool.
Dum spiro spero…
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Cameron hit .250 last year
that’s really better than Granderson?
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
Psst. Granderson hit .249 last year
Not that BA is the only thing to base the comparison on, but it not a real good starting point.
"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin
I'm not saying I would rather have Cameron than Granderson
but incidentally, Cameron had more value than Granderson last year. Granderson has the upside for sure, but I’m worried his 2007 was his outlier year and he’ll never match it. It’s a choice between trading top prospects for Granderson, or signing Cameron to a short term deal. Neither are ideal, but with Granderson off the market, I’m happy to be stuck with Cameron.
Granderson 2009 249/.327/.453; UZR in CF (160 games): 1.6; WAR: 3.4
Cameron 2009: .250/.342/.452; UZR in CF (147 games): 10.3; WAR: 4.3
Ryan Church
Just released by the Braves
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
We need to take a long look at Church
Unless he’s still having concussion issues, I’m surprised they couldn’t get something for him
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
.
12:35pm: Olney now says this deal is close. Sherman says medical records are being exchanged on Granderson. In another tweet Sherman says there’s no deadline on the deal, but one source says it’s “on the goal line.” He adds that removing Dunn from the deal was key for the Yanks.
question ...
Is anyone in favor of Ankiel over Cameron? The Ankiel pluses being cost, youth and left-handedness?
I can't get overly excited about either
I don’t know much about Ankiel’s defense. I know Cameron is considered a stud. Their bats and base running, and the amount they whiff seem similar, so I guess, if Ankiel is healthy, and not Adam Dunn in center, I’d rather have him.
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
he's also younger ...
and would be cheaper. It would be very un-Cub to buy low on a free agent. The last time I can remember getting a bargain was the 2004 Dempster signing. Other signings have been worthwhile (Lilly, Ramirez) or too expensive (Soriano, Kosuke).
well, I forgot about Edmonds
he was a bargain.
A bargain?
We’ve paid (IIRC) $3 million for two years of a platoon outfielder who gets hurt a lot.
why no to Ankiel?
I’m honestly curious, not trying to start a fight
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
Questionable defense
and he was bad last year. If the Cubs consider him for a 4th OF spot, ok but not as the starting CF.
that's what I wondered
I know nothing about his defense
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
ha -- how about this?
Burrell in right, Kosuke in center.
Worst defensive outfield. Ever.
Dunn in left....?
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
Or Marshall in left haha
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
That depends
on which Ankiel we would get: the one with the cannon arm who hits a ton or the one who bonked himself on an outfield wall and can’t get the ball out of the infield.
If it’s Ankiel #1, count me in.
Numbers may not lie, but they don’t tell the whole truth (and nothing but the truth), either. -- Doug Glanville
great point
If his shoulder has healed — and there’s a savings to be had — I’m leaning toward Ankiel.
Youth?
For Ankiel? He’s 30. That’s not “young”.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
The blockbuster deal is FINAL!!
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
Isn’t the Schlereth in this deal Mark (ESPN)’s son?
Sorry if this has come up before,
EC
Numbers may not lie, but they don’t tell the whole truth (and nothing but the truth), either. -- Doug Glanville
yeah
he’s a good prospect as a relief pitcher, the DBacks overpaid and the Yankees got the better end of it in my opinion because the DBacks overpaid for Jackson
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 8, 2009 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
yeah the tigers did fine
probably got about equal value
the yankees got a steal
dbacks did awful
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 8, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't say good
they did fine. For this to work, they need Scherzer to stay healthy and be a quality starter. the former isn’t a lock (bad mechanics). The latter isn’t a lock either actually (2 pitches, going to the AL).
That said, all trades like this have some level of concern. In general, the Tigers did okay.
this Granderson deal shocks me
Austin Jackson, a LHRP, and Ian Kenndey is all the Yankees had to give up???
Austin Jackson hasn’t put together the minor league numbers Pie had and yet he’s the centerpiece of the deal. Just goes to show…. we move Pie for Aaron Heilman, the Yankees move a similar prospect for Curtis Granderson…
Jackson
21 years old AA – .773 OPS
22 years old AAA – .759 OPS
Pie
21 years old AAA – .792 OPS
22 years old AAA – .973 OPS
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 8, 2009 12:58 PM CST reply actions
agree on Pie
because the Cubs over hype prospects then hold on to them too long. This is why it drives me nuts when we (us bloggers) judge potential trades as bad when it involves said prospects.
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pie wasn't overhyped
he was REALLY good, we had no patience for him, as a 24 year old he put up a .763 OPS in the tougher league. He’s going to be a fine everyday CF for a while, not a star but a potential career path like Granderson isn’t out of the question (in fact their career paths are strikingly similar to this point)
the problem is WE killed his value by having a manager who openly refused to play him
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 8, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
He also wasn't "held on to for too long".
I don’t think Hendry’s course of action re: Pie is forgivable.
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by D98 on Dec 8, 2009 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
Well, I suppose this means...
… both Melky and/or Brett Gardner are available. Thoughts?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
NO
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
Maybe to Melky
but we already have Gardiner (Fuld)
Numbers may not lie, but they don’t tell the whole truth (and nothing but the truth), either. -- Doug Glanville
ugh
i think melky’s ceiling is an average OF, Gardner = Sam Fuld
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 8, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
Gardner > Fuld
They’re similar players, but Gardner is better.
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Dec 8, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
i meant in terms of a starting caliber OF
you don’t really want either one…. but yeah Gardner is a tad more valuable and a tad younger i believe as well
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 8, 2009 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
It's Cameron or bust...
Always has been.
by Damen Jackson on Dec 8, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
not sure it "always" has been
But I’d be OK with this at the right price.
I think it has...
Hendry may have detoured slightly to — as BLou put it — see if Detroit was interested in trading for some magic beans, but Cameron is THE Piniella guy, and it’s going to take a huge difference in offers, or something amazing falling into the Cubs lap to change that.
by Damen Jackson on Dec 8, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
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IMO, it was a gigantic missed opportunity not to make a deal with Castro...
From the cubsfan1 fanpost earlier this week:
02) Starlin Castro SS— Huge riser in the system who offers a lot to like. Once he fills out his frame he will add power to go w/ above average speed. Good defender who’s PD is improving. I normally don’t do much comparing to current ML players but I can see something along the lines of Yunel Escobar offensive profile w/ maybe a few more SB. .280ish 15 hr 15-20 sb if everything comes together (in a perfect world).
the odds of Castro developing into a 3.5+WAR player (like CG) are microscopic.
Ahhh
Just think we have Milton Bradley!
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
Too late,
to talk about it. Ugh.
Castro better be the next Hanley Ramirez or close.
Tamia Lynn Davis:
Born: August 18, 2008
that's a ridiculous threshold
Hanley is so far superior to Curtis Granderson….
if Castro becomes a Yunel Escobar type he’ll be more valuable than Granderson through the rest of Granderson’s contract
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 8, 2009 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
Yunel Escobar
is a 3.5+ WAR player now
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 8, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
then most should leave
we’re not winning a title in the next 3…. we’re not good enough and don’t have the roster flexibility
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 8, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
I wish I could predict
the stock market like this.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Dec 8, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
do you have a tracking device on me
or something?
incredible.
Look its not a ridiculous statement. We have an aging roster, zero payroll flexibility, zero roster flexibility, and we’re basically a mid-to-high 80’s win team on paper
To be a true world series contender you should be a 90+ team and we don’t have the roster flexibility or payroll flexibility to get there in the next 3 years, in the meantime the majority of our assets are depreciating in skill as age sets on
I would love to be wrong on this, but the odds of us winning a world series in the next 3 years isn’t greater than say 3-5%
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 8, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
OK, then
I’ll expect to not see you here again until 2013.
I, for one, am glad games actually get played by humans on a field, rather than by geeks on a computer.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Dec 8, 2009 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not...
at least not when it comes to the 2009 Cubs. That team dominated the division on my computer!!! ;-)
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Dec 8, 2009 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
You are also making the assumption that Detroit didn't want this trade over a Castro trade
by rlpete on Dec 8, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
it's pretty clear Castro's name ended negotiation as opposed to opened negotiations
sure, in the end, who know what deal they would have made.
Considering the number of runors and tweets coming from Indy
I don’t believe any of it. I have no idea what the Tigers requested and what the Cubs offered.
http://www.freep.com/article/20091208/SPORTS02/91208048/1398/Source--Granderson-headed-to-Yankees
Sorry. Meant to link to the article…
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bradley for wood?
Indians are looking to trade Wood …why not swap him for Bradley? If we need a veteran RH in the pen, Woody would certainly fit the bill and bring some leadership to the team. Salary is probably only a wash for this year, and we’d probably have to eat the last year of Milton’s contract for it to happen.
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The MB tour has already included a stop in Cleveland
A third team would have to be involved. Also, I don’t think the Cubs do this and demote Marmol — and I don’t think Wood would want to be a setup man.
Not necessarily.
The reason Bradley was sent away by the Tribe had a lot to do with Eric Wedge. Wedge is gone. Maybe they’d do it.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
nononononono
Can we get past it already?
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
NEVER!!!
I heart the riot. (www.riotshirts.com)
by RIOTSHIRTS.com on Dec 8, 2009 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
Dumping payroll
I think the Indians are trying to trim payroll, so they will not want Bradley.
They need one
That is not a headcase
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
Do the Indians need an OF of any kind?
Bradley could play LF, too.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
they have a pretty weak platoon in LF
Trevor Crowe and Matt LaPorta
I heart the riot. (www.riotshirts.com)
by RIOTSHIRTS.com on Dec 8, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
considering what they gave up for LaPorta
and that they’re in rebuilding mode, Matt will be getting most of the PT in the OF
Man, I think you want him gone more than I do
and that’s saying something. I think the OP is right, getting rid of Wood is a salary dump. They aren’t gonna want to take on Bradley’s salary in return
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
Anyways..
I’ve already screamed enough curse words for today about not getting Granderson.
Who are some other players we might be just as thrilled to get? Let’s get creative.
Tamia Lynn Davis:
Born: August 18, 2008
PV or B-Ro
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
Hudson for 2 years
option 3 year, let the Cajuns compete for SS.
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we will go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
What
Riot isn’t bad enough at SS, you want Fonty to have a shot at it too?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 8, 2009 10:40 PM CST up reply actions
the white sammy sosa?
I heart the riot. (www.riotshirts.com)
by RIOTSHIRTS.com on Dec 8, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
theres this guy in toronto...
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 8, 2009 9:40 PM CST up reply actions
Scooby-Doo
Numbers may not lie, but they don’t tell the whole truth (and nothing but the truth), either. -- Doug Glanville
your not fooling me
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
The rest if the words
are running together and I’m at a loss trying to remember them
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
two quick comments
If we’re going to go bargain hunting for another arm, Boof Bonser was just designated for assignment by the Twins. Outside of ERA, he had a decent 2008. Surgery early in 2009.
Also, I don’t want Melky Cabrera. Don’t want him. Just give me Sam Fuld as the starting CF if the other option is Melky. Below average defensive centerfielder who doesn’t have any pop and isn’t a top of the order guy. I hope Paul Sullivan is way off on us pursuing Melky. Don’t want him. Give me Cameron for a year or two instead of that. give my byrd instead of that. Heck, I’d take Brett Gardner over Melky (better defensive CF … not that I would trade for Gardner either, as he’s basically Fuld).
Look at the surgeries
Rotator cuff and labrum
That is a HUGE no no IMO
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
for a bargain look
I wouldn’t pay a lot, but if it’s veteran’s minimum, I’d be game for it. By spring, he’ll have had more than a 1 year off.
Sorry, I can't get past the names "Boof" and "Melky".
What the hell were their parents thinking?
Now only 12,859 on the "Cubs Season Tickets Waiting List"...
Boof's parents didn't name him Boof
His real name is John
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
Rocky Cherry?
Buck Coats?
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
Rebel Ridling?
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
Yeah, I'll give you Rebel.
But Buck & Rocky aren’t THAT unusual. Have you ever heard of another “Melky”?
Now only 12,859 on the "Cubs Season Tickets Waiting List"...
Are you telling me you've never heard of this Melky?!
I cheated and used Google :(
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
speaking of names
we had two Rocky’s come through … also had Rocky Roquet. Jericho Jones was a nice name … but he’s gone now. Rebel Ridling is the best name I’ve seen in awhile, though.
I'm gonna make a prediction based on the trade....
Yankees just got a stud CF for 5 million next year. I’m sure there’s a Holliday or Lackey in their future!
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
I think
it may lead to them pursuing Lackey a bit harder.
That said, if Pettite agrees to come back, it wouldn’t surprise me if they went after a pen arm instead (perhaps taking a peek to see if the Braves will trade Soriano?) and entered the year with Hughes/Chamberlain and maybe a FA vet (maybe bring back Wang for a million or 2).
I bet Wang
ends up with Torre in LA.
Too bad — I’d love to have a ground ball pitcher like him
Numbers may not lie, but they don’t tell the whole truth (and nothing but the truth), either. -- Doug Glanville
"Do not blame the Wang"
10 BCB points for the movie reference.
"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin
Sweet thing, can I buy you a fish sandwich?
xoxo,
Leon Phelps
Hopefully its Holliday
the cards need to get worse for the Cubs to have a chance at the division next season
Damon or Matsui or both?
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
I thought it was kind of a foregone conclusion that he was on his way out
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
How about...
Bradley for Gardner?
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Dec 8, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
Yankee fans speak of his baserunning abilities like we talk about theriots
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 8, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
They're wrong.
He’s the Yankees’ best baserunner.
http://baseballprospectus.com/statistics/sortable/index.php?cid=69719
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Dec 8, 2009 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
maybe that was just them venting their anger during the alcs
meh
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 8, 2009 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
could be.
or maybe he made a particularly egregious mistake or two during the playoffs?
those types of errors can magnified that time of year.
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Dec 8, 2009 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
Could be...
but that place is a circus, and on a team like the Yankees i think there’d be less individual attention placed on him, especially with the acquisition of Granderson.
Part of the problem with Bradley in Chicago was he was THE offseason acquisition for the Cubs, and had very high expectations from the fan base in terms of production. That wouldn’t be the case with the Yankees. He’d be the what… 4th or 5th most followed player by the media?
I’d agree with you on the Mets. He’d be a horrible fit there. But the Yankees seem like a better one.
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Dec 8, 2009 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
there will be more focus on what new shampoo jeter or arod is using than bradley punching a reporter
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 8, 2009 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
exactly.
And with Granderson coming in, the pressure won’t even be on Bradley to be the “big name new guy.”
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Dec 8, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
My new wish list:
Brett Gardner
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Dec 8, 2009 2:58 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Anything with snack right on the packaging is a sure fire treat.
Dum spiro spero…
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Teahan deal worth $14 mil over 3 yrs
Wow, Kenny spending the cheez
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makes no sense, Teahan has been overrated by many it seems
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Why?!
No defense, strikes out too much, low BA. We have Soriano for that
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
Since Grandy is a Yanky
Should the Cubs go after the 25 year old Melky Cabrera over the 37,000 year old Cameron?
No.
They should go after Brett Gardner, who is a 3-win CF’er.
Think Sam Fuld on steroids.
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Dec 8, 2009 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
Think Sam Fuld on steroids.
How can one be scrappy if they are steroids?
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 8, 2009 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
Pass on Gardner
Fuld’s a better defensive OF (better arm, range isn’t far off). Fuld’s arguably a better offensive player, but at the very least, it’s about equal (Fuld’s a bit more disciplined at the plate, neither guy has much power, although personally, I’d give a slight power edge to Fuld, that said, it’s not by much. Gardner has a bit more speed).
The only difference between the two is that Gardner had an opportunity to play last year.
Gardner is better defensively...
and offensively. He also has the longer track record of success at the MLB level.
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Dec 8, 2009 7:04 PM CST up reply actions
And he's a favorite of mine.
That solely should be a reason to get him!
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
I disagree on the
first two. I don’t even think it’s clsoe defensively. Fuld has Melky’s arm strength and Gardner’s range. Gardner’s simply a guy that can chase down the flyballs, but Fuld has more than enough range. Offensively, they are basically the same player, except Gardner has a bit more speed, Fuld has a bit more power, but on both fronts, it’s not a significant difference. The only major difference offensively, is that Fuld’s more disciplined. That said, Gardner’s no hack either.
What are you basing this all on?
Gardner’s career UZR/150 is 27.6 in CF. That’s fantastic! Fuld is onle 3.9 in the OF as a whole (and pretty bad in CF). I’ll grant Fuld’s sample size is miniscule, but that’s also part of my argument for Gardner – he’s had more playing time and is more of a sure thing. The two have almost identical scouting reports from the fans in terms of fielding ability.
Gardner also projects to have a higher OBP and SLG by both James and Chone so I’m not sure what you’re basing getting your offensive analysis on.
The other thing to consider is Gardner has flashed signs of having reverse splits. One could get him and put the two of them in a platoon.
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Dec 8, 2009 7:14 PM CST up reply actions
I'll grant you the experience factor
As for why I believe Fuld is better, it comes down to having seen both guys come up with through the minors, and having seen both guys in the majors, along with the scouting reports and talking to some people.
Gardner is essentially, well, Juan Pierre offensively and defensively. Pierre posted good UZR numbers as well, IIRC. I’ll give Gardner has better range than Fuld now, but that’s really no knock on Fuld and more a positive on Gardner. Fuld used to have Gardner range, but then he got hurt a couple years back and lost a touch of speed. Fuld’s range would be above average to good in CF, and he has a better arm, which most agree on. I used to carry around more information in the past, but I’m almost certain that Sam Fuld had better discipline coming up through the minors. The only thing I can dig up right now is the basic stats in the minors, which shows that Fuld didn’t strike out as much. I’m almost certain, provided my memory isn’t failing me, that the reports out of the minors suggested that, when loosely compared, that Fuld didn’t reach for as many bad pitches, and that he took more pitches per plate appearance, but that’s based off memory. I’ve seen enough of Fuld to buy that he has enough in his bat to be more than slap the ball around guy. Neither Gardner or Fuld should be hitting a high amount of flyballs, and as for Gardner, I’m not sure he makes consistently good enough contact to generate a healthier LD rate. Again, we’re talking small differences here.
I honestly don’t read too much into projections made by James, Chone, Marcel and the like until a player has had a bit more experience in the majors than what Sam Fuld has had so far.
Leaving everything aside, though, can we agree that both are loosely similar? If we can, then therein lies my main reason for being against Gardner. I don’t see the point for trading for a loosely similar asset. I’d simply rather give our own guy the opportunity.
Pierre has had some good years, UZR-wise...
but nothing as good as Gardner. And Garnder’s arm isn’t the wet noodle that Pierre’s is.
I agree with the general principle, that they’re similar players. I just like Gardner more because there’s less uncertainty on him.
FWIW, I wouldn’t give up much for him. Maybe something the Cubs may look to move anyways, like Sean Marshall or Mike Fontenot.
Or better yet, get him in a Bradley deal.
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Dec 8, 2009 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
Gardner is a superb defensive player...
…the Fieldig Bible and Tom Tango’s fan scores all concur with UZR. Metrics are useless with Fuld’s tiny sample size. I suspect fans will rate Fuld as an average CF/above average corner OF.
I'd also grant that...
part of the reason Gardner projects better may be due to his larger sample size at the MLB level.
So my argument more or less boils down to certainty.
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Dec 8, 2009 7:58 PM CST up reply actions
You both raise good points.
I guess I wouldn’t go after Gardner because I don’t see the need to give something up for Gardner given that the two are pretty similar.
So unless we are somehow getting rid of MB to acquire Gardner, we should pass IMO.
I'd give up anything we were going to give up anyways.
Marshall may not have a spot on this year’s team, given his impending raise. Ditto Fontenot. Either of those guys would be tradeable for Gardner, IMO.
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Dec 8, 2009 8:25 PM CST up reply actions
TWEETZ
@cst_cubs Source: cubs close to two-team deal with surprise AL team for bradley. Could happen tonight.
Any ideas? Speculation? IT’S GONNA HAPPEN?
Dare I give the Cubs my heart again?
Man, please let this be true.
I just want this to be over.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
That's What She Said, Al, That's What She Said.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I spit soda on my screen with that one.
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
toronto
because AL can stand for ADAM LIND
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 8, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
THE LIND !!!!1!
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by Ditkavsworld
Worth it for the ERIC HANNAH posts alone, me thinks.
Dum spiro spero…
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Al would change the name to Bleed Hannah Blue
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by Ditkavsworld
I'm headed to downtown Indianapolis.
I’ll try and scoop Gordo while I’m down there.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
Will do.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
Boston? Yanks?
Angels?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 8, 2009 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
YOUR END IS NEAR DREW!
HE’S ALMOST GONE!!
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
My guess is the Mariners
They seem to be players in the offseason so far. Don’t know what they have to swap though. Their bad contracts have expired.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Dec 8, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
Wittenmyer is spreading some rumor on Twitter that [name redacted] will be moved tonight.
cst_cubs Source: cubs close to two-team deal with surprise AL team for bradley. Could happen tonight.
We’ll see.
So let's see if we can figure out what the "surprise" team is.
There are 14 AL teams. Figure we can eliminate Rangers & Rays — since they wouldn’t be much of a surprise.
Let’s also eliminate the AL teams he’s already played for: Indians & A’s.
That leaves: Yankees, Red Sox, Orioles, Blue Jays, White Sox, Royals, Twins, Tigers, Mariners, and Angels.
I figure the Yankees are out because they don’t really need him. Same for Red Sox. Orioles wouldn’t take the contract. White Sox: too much tied up with Rios. Royals already eliminated. Twins wouldn’t put up with Bradley. Neither would the Angels.
That leaves Blue Jays, Tigers, and Mariners.
Seattle could actually use Bradley and could probably afford him. Same for Toronto. I’m betting it’s one of those two, if true.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
1 – Royals
2 – Toronto
3 – Spiders
That’s my guess.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Spiders...
hee hee
Dare I give the Cubs my heart again?
by digitalbenjamin on Dec 8, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
I don't get it...
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
Enjoy...
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
Cool, thanks for the info :)
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
ADAM LIND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 8, 2009 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
The Yankees could use him in LF/DH...
and they could afford him, too. I’m REALLY hoping for a Bradley/Gardner swap.
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Dec 8, 2009 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
Possibly
assuming theyve given up on bay or holliday
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 8, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe angels too
if talks with bay arent going to well
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 8, 2009 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
epstein still seems to think dumpster diving is still the way to go
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 8, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
For Felix?
Harry Caray sold me on the Chicago Cubs and Wrigley Field. I bought with all I had to give as a 14 year old, my soul.
by Zy Toro Young on Dec 8, 2009 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, interesting ...
The Cubs have looked at Bedard before …
So if it is indeed one of those two teams...
who would be possible players the Cubs would get in return? What bad contracts are out there?
Harry Caray: Marshall is going back to LA to get cocaine for his injured foot.
Steve Stone: Harry, that’s Novocaine.
by Julio Zuleta's Voodoo on Dec 8, 2009 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
Can we convice
Seattle that Ichiro’s contract is “bad”?
Dare I give the Cubs my heart again?
by digitalbenjamin on Dec 8, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Or how about...
Getting rid of that malcontent Hernandez, asking for $100M contract. We will trade our slightly less bad contract for that albatros.
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by Ditkavsworld
I agree!
How about we throw in hoff to sweeten the deal so the M’s toss in gutierrez
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 8, 2009 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
Now you are trying to start real trouble here
could be worse than when Fox was traded…
by LT on Dec 8, 2009 7:55 PM CST up reply actions
Nothing can be worse than Fox being traded
Dare I give the Cubs my heart again?
by digitalbenjamin on Dec 8, 2009 10:05 PM CST up reply actions
except st derosa
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 8, 2009 10:11 PM CST up reply actions
and Lou Brock
Dare I give the Cubs my heart again?
by digitalbenjamin on Dec 9, 2009 8:16 AM CST up reply actions
I forgot about him.
I really think it’s the Mariners.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Dec 8, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
Not to go all drewish
But I think I’d prefer Bradley to be a Cub next year over Carlos freakin’ Silva.
I think it would be Silva.
Unless there are any other bad contracts. The others have expired, I believe.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Dec 8, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
I proposed a MB trade for Jose Lopez
and I stick by it.
Is he traded yet?
by DGU on Dec 8, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
Lopez's OBP
scares the crap out me
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 8, 2009 4:28 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not saying we'd love him
but I’d rather have him than Luis Castillo.
Is he traded yet?
by DGU on Dec 8, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions
Seconded
Harry Caray sold me on the Chicago Cubs and Wrigley Field. I bought with all I had to give as a 14 year old, my soul.
by Zy Toro Young on Dec 8, 2009 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
I see what you did there
Nice!
Harry Caray sold me on the Chicago Cubs and Wrigley Field. I bought with all I had to give as a 14 year old, my soul.
by Zy Toro Young on Dec 8, 2009 4:40 PM CST up reply actions
I aim to please
Though sometimes that same fifth prevents such things from happening.
"This next song... it's about the White Sox. It's called: F*** Em'." - Eddie Vedder
Ugh.
I’d rather have Vernon Wells than Silva, and that’s a “and death is not an option” choice.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Injury-prone...
…. but with better upside than Silva. What’s his contract status?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Bedard is a free agent.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Dec 8, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
Wouldn't another
qualification be they’d need to have a bad contract that we would consider taking?
Who does Seattle or the Jays have that we would take? (I don’t know, I’m just asking).
Detroit has seemed unwilling to take Bradley, and I imagine they’re a little busy today.
DEJESUS!!!
what about Oakland?
IIRC, he didn’t have a horrible exit there — and they love them some OBP.
Texas would take him before Oakland
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by Ditkavsworld
BRADLY 4 FOX?
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 8, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
WOOHOO
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 8, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
And flip Granderson for Brad....Oh wait a minute!
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by Ditkavsworld
I was with you until that point...
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
What if it was some kind of deal that included Rios coming back?
Is he traded yet?
by DGU on Dec 8, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
FYI
Even mlbtraderumors is shooting down Wittenmyer’s gossip. However, if that Web site is disputing its validity, then it must be right. My head is about to explode.
Dare I give the Cubs my heart again?
by digitalbenjamin on Dec 8, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd for the fact that there are too few homestarrunner references around here.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 8, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
"Uh oh. This isn't another shakedown, is it?"
Grabbin yer butt! That’s not very ladylike.
"This next song... it's about the White Sox. It's called: F*** Em'." - Eddie Vedder
a faux rec?
Dare I give the Cubs my heart again?
by digitalbenjamin on Dec 8, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions
Seconded.
“And I’m like, ‘You just jingled a bunch of jangle in my face and called it magic!’”
Dum spiro spero…
Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
Dare I give the Cubs my heart again?
by digitalbenjamin on Dec 8, 2009 4:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 8, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
Papercraft
Thought you’d like this SWL: http://www.homestarrunner.com/hspapercraft.png Get Crafty!
Dare I give the Cubs my heart again?
by digitalbenjamin on Dec 8, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
http://mark.derosa.is.the.answer.asplode.net/
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 8, 2009 4:38 PM CST up reply actions
The Yankees..
..for Granderson :D
We Got This!
by cubbiebear316 on Dec 8, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
watch it be Baltimore
we love sending garbage there.
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
actually ...
the Orioles are apparently willing to spend this offseason.
meh
Jake Fox said MB took him under his wing. :)
That was just to give him noogies.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 8, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
will guess...maybe the Red Sox
they could offer us JDdrew…they have so many lefties now they might want someone that can hit from the right side. Not that MB hit well from the right side. God knows they have the money and love high OBP guys
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
"wild guess"
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
Waiting for the MB trade news is like waiting for the divorce papers to come in the mail so you can put that last signature on it and be FREEEEEEEEE!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 8, 2009 4:18 PM CST reply actions
At least Tiger is married to Swedish Bikini Model!
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
Considering this....
Tiger.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 8, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
YES PLEASE!
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
I "X" middle right. Your move.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Bottom Center. hee hee
Harry Caray sold me on the Chicago Cubs and Wrigley Field. I bought with all I had to give as a 14 year old, my soul.
by Zy Toro Young on Dec 8, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
TWSS
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
Tiger Woods Mistress Cheat Sheet
An easy-to-read ‘Scorecard’ chart: http://bit.ly/7G0Wgs
Dum spiro spero…
Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
New game out in time for the holidays...
Pin the Tail on the Tiger.
BINGO!
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 8, 2009 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
Tim Brown:
Possible Bradley destination: Seattle, for Silva.
Rays and Rangers not close on Bradley. Could Toronto be involved? Blue Jays official: “No comment.”
COOL BEANS!
you'll finally tell your parents about us?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 8, 2009 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
I thought my mom already poked you on Facebook?
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
eiww
Dare I give the Cubs my heart again?
by digitalbenjamin on Dec 8, 2009 4:53 PM CST up reply actions
Wait, she told you about US (her and I), but you haven't told her about US (you and me).
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 8, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
WAT!
I just saw it in the news feed! I didn’t think anything of it! Now I have to move out of the baesment!!
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
No, we talked it over...
and I have a confession to make, she sometimes asks me to wear your clothes….during.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 8, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions
All my clothes are made out of hemp.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
That explains the hunger pangs.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 8, 2009 5:06 PM CST up reply actions
I wish Hermione were here.
She’d cheer me up.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
To the rescue!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 8, 2009 5:23 PM CST up reply actions
Hermione is my ferret.
She only has three paws tho, so it takes her awhile to arrive at her destination when called.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
DAMN
Didn’t think much of her til now
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
You've been missing out, my friend.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
HATED the movies
Just awful rubbish. So I guess I just didn’t notice.
I might have to go rewatch them on mute
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
There's one photo floating around that will blow your mind.
I’ve never seen her act once, but that photo made me a fan.
Lemme see?
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
I must be missing something.
Anyway, HP6 came out on DVD today.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
What do I google?
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
I did some googling
Apparently this is a popular search
Are you familiar with the old robot saying, "Does not compute"?
by dr stabbingworth on Dec 8, 2009 5:44 PM CST up reply actions
There's also a bit of Hermione discussion...
in The Ordinary Wizarding Levels of Milton Bradley and the 2009 Chicago Cubs post, which can be found here. Get it while it’s hot, people, there won’t be a sequel…MB will be gone!
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I... uh...
EXPELLIARMUS!
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 8, 2009 6:31 PM CST up reply actions
What was that about this being a PG blog...
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
Rangers are out
Joel Sherman of the New York Post says the Rangers are no longer interested
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
That's fine.
Let it be Toronto. Or Tampa. Or Baltimore.
Or ANYONE. Just GETITDONEJIM!!!!!!!
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Excuse me
while i go throw up in my mouth
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by jesus christos on Dec 8, 2009 5:06 PM CST up reply actions
Please, for the love of god, do NOT trade for Carlos Silva
I know we want Bradley gone but it’d be a better move to make him our ball boy than to trade him for Silva
best part of that ...
Silva wouldn’t have to be flipped
Or...
… if it IS Silva, maybe he’s the guy being flipped.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
who in their right mind would take carlos silva?
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by jesus christos on Dec 8, 2009 5:17 PM CST up reply actions
Who knows?
Plenty of GM’s aren’t in their right minds.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
The D'backs GM is one I'd like to be dealing with.
Is he traded yet?
by DGU on Dec 8, 2009 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
Hendry: Hey byrnes, i got this pitcher right here....
Byrnes: Drew straight up for him
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by jesus christos on Dec 8, 2009 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
Swap RFs with them
I guess I’d take Justin Upton.
Harry Caray: Marshall is going back to LA to get cocaine for his injured foot.
Steve Stone: Harry, that’s Novocaine.
by Julio Zuleta's Voodoo on Dec 8, 2009 5:30 PM CST up reply actions
Take Silva
and flip him to us for BLou
Numbers may not lie, but they don’t tell the whole truth (and nothing but the truth), either. -- Doug Glanville
Al get on the Bat Phone and get ahold of Deep Goat.
Find out the legitimacy of this.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
per Deep Goat
Please don’t tell anyone who I am and what it is but my inside sources tells me that the Cubs are working hard on a trade!
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
Silva ways like 300 lbs.
flipping something that big ain’t easy, dont throw out your back Jim. .
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
sorry, "weighs like..."
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
so now its a three way deal...
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
must be something really off the wall
Also, Gordo’s continued writing/tweeting makes me think this has legs.
Gordo has made stuff up in the past.
But this time, it seems pretty reasonable.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Yeah, this is getting interesting
Now I’m not sure who might be involved. Just as long as it all ends soon.
Harry Caray: Marshall is going back to LA to get cocaine for his injured foot.
Steve Stone: Harry, that’s Novocaine.
by Julio Zuleta's Voodoo on Dec 8, 2009 5:17 PM CST up reply actions
So the Cubs are still going to flip the play they recieve in the three team deal.
Or is the third team the team who gets the flipped player.
Now I'm really confused. Let's ask someone with experience in such things
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Or this guy
Harry Caray: Marshall is going back to LA to get cocaine for his injured foot.
Steve Stone: Harry, that’s Novocaine.
by Julio Zuleta's Voodoo on Dec 8, 2009 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
What's Johnny Cash know about "flipping"?
Now only 12,859 on the "Cubs Season Tickets Waiting List"...
wonderful skill
Kind of like “Great at treating his own genital warts.”
by elgato on Dec 8, 2009 5:20 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
FTW
Are you familiar with the old robot saying, "Does not compute"?
by dr stabbingworth on Dec 8, 2009 5:28 PM CST up reply actions
ROTFLMAO!
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Dec 9, 2009 12:13 AM CST up reply actions
too bad he gotten into so many bad deals
in the first place .
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
also, who has he dumped in good moves?
The Marquis trade would seem to disprove your statement. And Hundley was traded like seven years ago.
Why?
Because he did well?
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
That ...
and because we got Luis Vizcaino in return.
by elgato on Dec 8, 2009 6:31 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
We cut salary.
That was the whole point of trading Marquis.
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
right ...
but the original post was that Hendry has done well (decent) in these types of situations. I would say he did not in the case of Marquis.
I wouldn't say he did well. But he accomplished what he needed to.
I’m not the biggest fan of Hendry though. I’d rather have Towers.
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
my point is that Hendry
… hasn’t really pulled a rabbit in these situations since Hundley.
5:17pm: Yahoo’s Tim Brown reports that the Cubs and Mariners are talking about a Bradley for Carlos Silva swap, though nothing is imminent.
oh boy
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
:
5:17pm: Yahoo’s Tim Brown reports that the Cubs and Mariners are talking about a Bradley for Carlos Silva swap, though nothing is imminent.
I'd flip Silva into freaking Lake Michigan
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
Silva was GOOD in Minnesota.
I used to watch him back then…with Seattle, notsomuch.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I don't like the pitching coaching they've had in Seattle
It seems like a lot of talented guys have trouble there and succeed once they’ve left. Remember Jeff Weaver the year the Cards won the WS?
Is he traded yet?
by DGU on Dec 8, 2009 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
and Joel Piniero for that matter. Could never really get it going in Seattle
"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin
Well considering he changed his whole approach to pitching in St. Louis...
I don’t think he’s applicable.
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
???
What are pitching coaches for – if not to help you find the approach that works?
Add Gil Meche to the list, too.
Is he traded yet?
by DGU on Dec 8, 2009 6:48 PM CST up reply actions
Good point.
Silva may not be a disaster.
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Dec 8, 2009 6:50 PM CST up reply actions
... and King Felix...
has always seemed to under-perform compared to his skillset.
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Dec 8, 2009 6:50 PM CST up reply actions
Well he basically transformed into a different pitcher in St. Louis, like everyone else that goes there.
Sinkerballer time!
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
I just logged in for the first time since September to say
hurry up and do it, Hendry!
Maybe if we say it in caps
HURRY UP AND DO IT, HENDRY!
miles says no deal is imminent
5:27pm: Bruce Miles of the Daily Herald reports that no deal is imminent. One Cubs person tells Miles that the team is more likely to complete a deal tomorrow.
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
Balls
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
Bruce Miles
Says deal probably tomorrow! linkage
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
Twittermyer update
High level Seattle source shoots down Bradley-to-M’s rumor.
Harry Caray: Marshall is going back to LA to get cocaine for his injured foot.
Steve Stone: Harry, that’s Novocaine.
by Julio Zuleta's Voodoo on Dec 8, 2009 5:33 PM CST reply actions
It's obviously the White Sox....
Bradley for Peavy.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 8, 2009 5:34 PM CST up reply actions
and then peavy for JAKE FOX
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by jesus christos on Dec 8, 2009 5:36 PM CST up reply actions
and then Jake Fox for Sammy Sosa, and George Bell
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
and hamilton
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by jesus christos on Dec 8, 2009 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
WHY DID WE LET HIM GO!?!?!?!?!????
(sarcasm)
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
Obviously, to make room for...
… LIND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
and FOX
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by jesus christos on Dec 8, 2009 5:47 PM CST up reply actions
WHY DID WE LET HIM GO ALSO!!?!?!???!?!?!
Jake Fox > Jesus
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
Can Jesus hit a curveball?
Are you familiar with the old robot saying, "Does not compute"?
by dr stabbingworth on Dec 8, 2009 5:59 PM CST up reply actions
not when she pitches
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
by eths on Dec 8, 2009 6:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Pitching Mounds
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 8, 2009 6:50 PM CST up reply actions
It's a great day for a ball game - let's play [with] two!
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
what does the pFX data look like for her?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 8, 2009 7:42 PM CST up reply actions
Carrie Muskat chimes in
Another AL team is in mix for #cubs Milton Bradley but it’s not Mariners or Angels. There could be announcement Wednesday
Harry Caray: Marshall is going back to LA to get cocaine for his injured foot.
Steve Stone: Harry, that’s Novocaine.
by Julio Zuleta's Voodoo on Dec 8, 2009 5:35 PM CST reply actions
hahahahahahahahahhahahahhaa
oh, youre serious?
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by jesus christos on Dec 8, 2009 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
why?
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 8, 2009 5:56 PM CST up reply actions
So we should expect it to be the Mariners or Angels?
Are you familiar with the old robot saying, "Does not compute"?
by dr stabbingworth on Dec 8, 2009 5:36 PM CST up reply actions
best thing the Musk Rat has ever written.
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
so
who can this mystery AL team be?
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
Oh yes, the Toronto Adam Linds
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
They built a good team up there.
All they need is a Ted Lilly.
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
They'd never lose!
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
They'd change the meaning of ADAM LIND!
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
My wild guess is the Red Sox...but most likely I think Toronto.
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
for who....Winnington and someone?
I’d love to get Luke Scott
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
Uehara?
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
I'd be happy with that, he wasnt bad last year
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
Probably so.
Uehara and Wigginton together will make $8.5m in 2010 — almost what Bradley does. If the teams would split the 2011 deal, that would probably work.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I like Wigginton a lot.
Especially if Ramirez decides to be greedy and opt-out next year, which I wouldn’t doubt… Even though it makes no sense.
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
Lets brainstorm
Here’s the AL teams
Orioles Maybe
BoSox Can’t see it
Yankees Can’t see it
Rays Can’t see it
Jays No money
White Sox
Indians Maybe
Tigers No money
Royals Maybe
Twins Highly doubt it
Angels They say it isn’t them
A’s Suprise Team??
M’s They say it isn’t them
Rangers Have no money
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
If you "can't see it", that would be a surprise then, no?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 8, 2009 5:42 PM CST up reply actions
Despite this highly scientific analysis
I think the answer is any of the above.
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
Hendry does have history
with the A’s. Could it be?
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
He has a lot more history with the Orioles
My money is on them
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
That's really not a suprise though
I too would put my money on them if I had to choose but I’m just tossing other ideas around
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
it's getting old
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
what about
brob and jones
sounds fair, yes yes
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by jesus christos on Dec 8, 2009 5:53 PM CST up reply actions
I think we would have to throw in Miles for that
Damn Hendry, trading away Aaron miles, grumble grumble
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
lol
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
The Jays have money enough
and if they sent us Overbay, he’s a player we’d have to flip
Is he traded yet?
by DGU on Dec 8, 2009 5:58 PM CST up reply actions
Overbay to....
Mets for Castillo? To the Dbacks or Angels?
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
something to keep in mind is that
rosenthal has suggested that the cubs can’t sign cameron without clearing a decent amount of money. There aren’t that many teams that have spending money this year. When you factor in teams that might have corner OF/dH needs on paper, that shrinks the field down even more. IF that’s the critera (capability to eat a decent chunk of money plus the need), we’re looking at handful of teams in the AL that might make some sense … on paper. Orioles/Mariners/Yankees/Angels/A’s are the ones I come up with. The field could be expanded to maybe include a team like the Royals if they could clear money.
As for the Yankees, it actually makes some sense. I’m not expecting it, but this would allow them to walk away from Damon/Matsui. OF Defense is upgraded by shifting Melky Cabrera to a corner role.
by toonsterwu on Dec 8, 2009 6:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the Yankees make a lot of sense...
and it would also make sense if they were just now getting involved after having their roster shaken up by the Granderson acquisition.
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Dec 8, 2009 7:01 PM CST up reply actions
I do think the Yankees might try Bradley
hoping his personality can disappear in the larger press story that is the Yankees themselves and includes A-Rod’s messes. And perhaps the Yankees have enough payroll room – especially after getting Granderson – that it makes sense to do a deal like Oakland did for Miles. Would they want Baker or Marshall?
Anyway, good analysis.
Is he traded yet?
by DGU on Dec 8, 2009 7:03 PM CST up reply actions
If we trade Baker...
then we’d be required to sign the HolyDeRosa to function as our super utility.
*cue Halo-esque chant music.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Dec 8, 2009 7:17 PM CST up reply actions
I'd rather hope that
the Yankees give us a junk prospect, eat whatever amount is necessary (say 3-4 million? I don’t know taking a stab). I’d rather not give up a Baker or Marshall.
Heck, honestly, I don’t really care if all we get is a PTBNL that never gets mentioned.
That would be nice
but Cashman might try and squeeze Hendry, given Hendry’s situation and that the Yankees alone could take the whole contract w/o giving us something ugly back.
All that said, this scenario doesn’t make sense of the idea that we’d need to flip a guy to a third team.
Is he traded yet?
by DGU on Dec 8, 2009 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
I know you're not high on Gardner...
but what about a Bradley for Gardner and Wang?
That seems it would work.
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Dec 8, 2009 7:52 PM CST up reply actions
I know you aren't asking me
but yes, yes, yes. Wang is a good buy-low candidate, and I like the way he induces ground balls. As for Gardner- it never hurts to have a truly great defensive outfielder on your team, so why not?
Is there excess
TARP money that could be used for Bradley? Troubled Asset Relief Program – sounds right for the Cubs and Bradley. Which government form is that?
Are the Nats sitting behind...
A table throwing money to any FA that will take it? I wish they would throw some Milton Bradley and Jim Hendry’s way!
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
If Adrian Beltre didn't want $8-10 million, I'd say he'd be a necessity at the right price.
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
toronto might be a no go
6:03pm: MLB.com’s Jordan Bastian says Bradley is not a fit for the Jays.
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
Jordan Bastian is the new Blue Jays GM?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 8, 2009 6:50 PM CST up reply actions
I said might
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by jesus christos on Dec 8, 2009 6:51 PM CST up reply actions
What about...
Minnesota? They’ve needed a power bat in the OF corner spots for ages, are a small-market team in “neighborly” Minnesota, and they just had Carl Pavano accept their arbitration offer and may be looking to dump him.
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Dec 8, 2009 6:33 PM CST reply actions
Well Minnesota is a smart organization...
So that rules them out. Plus that doesn’t help the whole Mauer situation,
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
I think that's exactly why they'd do it...
they’re smart and realize MB’s contract has the potential to be a bargain.
They’ve also rolled the dice on “problem players” before.
Bradley for Cuddyer + Pavano would save them some $$$$.
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Dec 8, 2009 6:36 PM CST up reply actions
They just offered Cuddyer an extension
And he’s their best hitter after Mauer and Morneau. Not going to trade him for a risk like Bradley.
Pavano is an option
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
Took the words right out of my mouth.
Milton can’t DH either. Kubel is there.
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
And a huge
Fan Favorite!
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
Yea he'd be their favorite...
punching bag lol
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
the fans up there are less rabid
In a way, Minnesota would be a good spot for Bradley.
Does everyone seem to forget how hot Young was at the end of the year?
Their OF and DH are set.
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
I'm talking more from an environmental perspective
Low pressure, quiet media market, good team …
Well yes, there are many teams like that though.
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
sure
Milton’s already played for a few of them, though.
Yes, but he hasn't played for some of them.
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
He would be a Cubs fan
Favorite ex-cub
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
... and if he didn't accept the extension...
maybe they realize they won’t be able to hold onto him without hampering their ability to keep Mauer.
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Dec 8, 2009 6:46 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe some kind of larger deal
where we give them fair value for Delmon and take back a contract.
Is he traded yet?
by DGU on Dec 8, 2009 6:50 PM CST up reply actions
I can't see Delmon coming our way...
…but would be happy with it.
If it happens it’ll likely be centered around Pavano plus one of their quasi-expensive guys (Punto, Cuddyer, or Kubel).
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Dec 8, 2009 6:52 PM CST up reply actions
So Pavano and Punto,
Because Cudds and Kubel are going nowhere in a deal for MB.
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
Also...
the “surprise team” is probably one that has had something happen in the last day that would make them come after MB. The Yankees and Tigers fit that mold because of the trade and the Twins fit it because of Pavano’s arbitration acceptance.
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Dec 8, 2009 6:49 PM CST up reply actions
Pavano is not exactly a leper in MN...
the reaction to his deal were pretty positive. Punto is their only bad contract (and he ain’t going anywhere). Mark my words: not the Twins.
You're probably right...
as there’s just a 1-in-14 chance that it’s the Twins. But you shouldn’t be so certain of anything this time of year.
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Dec 8, 2009 6:56 PM CST up reply actions
Scott Linebrink is owed $10M over 2 yrs...
the W Sox would love to dump that contract. it’s unlikely, but certainly wouldn’t shock me if the Cubs picked up most of MB’s contract.
won't be the White Sox
Not after the deals they’ve already made AND the fact that Milton would still be in Chicago and would deal with a lot of the same pressures.
That and they have a ton of OF issues
Rios, Quentin are injury prone, just signed Andruw Jones and looking for a leadoff hitter (possible Podsednik). They have no need for Bradley
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
I think Ozzie would sit him out those games
He’d be ridiculed immensley. That’s why he’s being traded to the AL IMO
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
He would have a Pineapple Express-esque fight with him, most likely. Except no pot.
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
Putz to the White Sux??
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
TRADE BRADLEY FOR MURTON
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 8, 2009 8:17 PM CST up reply actions
That could set diplomatic relations between the US and Japan back decades.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Does anyone know anything about Leslie Anderson?
He seems like he could be a good fit. Leadoff-type hitter that is left-handed and can play all 3 OF positions and backup 1st base.
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Dec 8, 2009 8:24 PM CST reply actions
Is he a free agent?
Haven’t heard much about him. Left Cuba this year, right?
Fontenot (fon-te-no): Cajun for "scrappy"
He left cuba, yes
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 8, 2009 9:04 PM CST up reply actions
He looks athletic...
now I’m a scout. LOL.
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Dec 8, 2009 9:10 PM CST up reply actions
Yes and yes...
about to become a free agent according to ESPN’s live Winter Meetings Coverage:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove09/news/story?id=4717538
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Dec 8, 2009 9:05 PM CST up reply actions
Whatever happened to that lefty playing in Japan?
The pitcher that supposedly might become a free agent, because he was actually from Taiwan? He looked like a good swingman possibility.
Fontenot (fon-te-no): Cajun for "scrappy"
I will get verbally b*$%^ slapped for this but,
Indians are trying to dump Kerry Wood’s deal, and next season would match Bradley’s, plus they may throw in another crap contract with it. Just a thought
"How's your mother?"
"She's on her way out."
"We all are. Act accordingly."
Melky Cabrera?
Anyone else heard about the Cubs going after Melky now that the Yanks got Granderson? Link below to The Sporting News article:
"Some guys make lemonade out of lemons. Hendry makes hash out of prime meat."
Cubs Rumors: Bradley, Cameron, Putz
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
Two Twitter Tweets (posted at c. 5:00 AM Chicago time)
TrueBlue9 NBC Newsman just said Bradley would be traded by the end of today. #cubs
TrueBlue9 Fox News just announced Bradley trade will happen today. #cubs
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
Its Carrie Martens!
She is a True Blue Cub Fan FOREVER!
Dum spiro spero…
Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
Chicago Cubs near tipping point on dumping Milton Bradley
Two days into baseball’s winter meetings, the Bradley situation has turned into a running joke, with team officials tripping over each other to deny any interest in the Cubs outfielder.
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
Cubs getting close to unloading Milton
BY GORDON WITTENMYER gwittenmyer@suntimes.com
The first day of the rest of the Cubs’ lives without Milton Bradley appeared on the horizon Tuesday with multiple sources saying the Cubs were close to a deal to send Bradley to an unidentified American League team.
One source said the two-team deal was ‘’three-quarters’’ done by late in the day Tuesday and involved the Cubs receiving another heavy-contract player, who would then be flipped to a third team.
The source would not reveal the ’’surprise’’ team but eliminated Tampa Bay and Texas as destination teams after weeks of that pair being linked to Bradley and the Cubs closer than any others.
General manager Jim Hendry wouldn’t talk specifically about the progress of Bradley talks but didn’t rule out making a move by late Tuesday night.
’’I’m always hopeful,‘’ he said. ’’Hopefully, [at this point in the winter] you’re pinpointing areas where you feel like you can keep moving toward a possible finish line. … Between now and [the end of the meetings] Thursday, I think we’ve got it to the situation where we’re only going to be meeting with the people we feel we’re going to have a conclusion with.’’
One source said the Cubs were ready to pull the trigger on a deal as soon as the other party was.
etc. etc. etc.
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
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