Winter Meetings Day 3 Overflow Thread
by Al Yellon on Dec 9, 2009 2:56 PM CST
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A kick in the crotch!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
what do you win danny boy?
I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...
by Jimmyeatworld on Dec 9, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
They're probably laughing at the fact that Hendry has yet ANOTHER player he's DESPERATE
to trade, and yet expects a decent return.
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
This does happen to him a lot.
Bradley
Miles
Sosa
Jones
For example.
And I would think he would LOVE to get rid of Soriano’s contract.
Don't forget Marquis
And I doubt he thinks he’s getting good value for Dome
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
Marquis
worked out perfectly. Traded before the really expensive parts came through. They didn’t handle Vizcano properly, but that doesn’t change the fact.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
If they didn't handle part of the trade properly
then it wasn’t perfect
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
I don't know about "perfectly"
But the Marquis signing was not a Milton/Miles style disaster.
we traded him for a reliever we didn't want.
Also, Marquis made very Milton-esque comments in spring training when there was talk about moving him to the bullpen.
Disaster? No. Bad signing, and subsequent bad trade? Yes
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
I'd say "middling" signing and subsequent bad trade
I agree with you otherwise.
Milton-esque comments?
I thought he just said he wanted to start because that’s what he had been doing.
One baseball game, he came to the plate and heard a woman in the crowd shout to the pitcher, "I'll make you a chocolate cake if you strike out that 'so-and-so'!" Says Strong: "I hit that ball out of the park. Then I looked at her like, 'Do I get a cake now?' "
The Cubs owuld not have gone to the playoffs in '07
without Marquis contribution especially in April and May of that year. I’m not saying he was THE most important piece, but he was AN important piece. Jason Marquis was a good signing, if albeit, perhaps somewhat expensive.
The only reason that Marquis was let go was to free up some budget space so that the Cubs could sign …. you guessed it … Milton Bradley.
by jerry morales rules on Dec 9, 2009 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
are you actually saying
that signing Sammy Sosa was a mistake?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
No, he's saying that Sosa was a player that Hendry was desperate to trade
because of circumstances that could have been lessened
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
and whose fault
was that?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
right
No way Hendry could have predicted Sosa’s downward spiral in 2004.
How about...
…going public with the video of Sosa leaving the park?
What do you think that did to his trade value?
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
You and I are in total agreement on that one.
Is he traded yet?
by DGU on Dec 9, 2009 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
yeah ...
that’s an interesting point. I’m just saying that Hendry should be blamed for giving Sosa the initial contract.
Of course not...
…but he was worth every penny whether he was juiced or not.
All I’m saying is his value should have still been pretty decent after 04, even if he was on a decline. The video release was done because the Cubs were scared to death of the fan reaction, and that is no way to run a baseball team.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I agree with MPH73 and others here...
… but the weird thing is, after the debacle of 2004 and Sosa’s decline, he probably could have been traded without too much negative fan reaction IF the deal had brought better players, which it could have if not for the release of the video.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I agree...
…which just proves how focused the Cubs have been on the PR side of things, and one of the reasons they have made some stupid decisions.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Not being sarcastic, because I don’t remember the video release. But would that situation parallel the Bradley suspension? I.e. decreasing value and not being able to bring in better playerss?
One baseball game, he came to the plate and heard a woman in the crowd shout to the pitcher, "I'll make you a chocolate cake if you strike out that 'so-and-so'!" Says Strong: "I hit that ball out of the park. Then I looked at her like, 'Do I get a cake now?' "
Just like no way the Giants could have know about Bonds either
I mean just because he jumped 5 hat sizes in two years doesn’t mean he was doing anything.
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
I'd argue that
… Sosa’s power jump wasn’t as out of nowhere as Bond’s. Sosa was younger, he’d had a 40 HR season that was abbreviated by injury in 1996 AND 1998 was an expansion year (thus diluting pitching).
Anyway, I wasn’t really saying that the Cubs couldn’t have predicted Sosa’s steroid use. I was saying they couldn’t have predicted his odd, rapid decline in 2004 — especially when they gave him an extension several years earlier.
Sure they could have...
Testing started, alot of Big Armed, Big Headed, Hit ball can’t lift arms players lost power numbers.
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
scratch that ...
I’m mistaken. The policy was modified in 2005 but implemented in 2004.
Correct-just listing some players Jim had to try and get rid of.
Sosa wasn’t his fault. You could say that the Cubs as a whole let Sosa become such a prima donna. But I don’t really blame Hendry for him.
He also did a nice job getting rid of Hundley, who was McPhail’s fault.
But over the last few years he does seem to have to correct himself rather quickly after his deals went south in a hurry.
Also, I think Marquis was a good addition to the list, especially because of what they had to take for him.
kinda tough to criticize him for Sosa
And, really, I never understood the Cubs being so dead set on trading JJ, after his second half in 2007.
But Milton, Kosuke and Miles were all bad signings — when you consider the cost and the return.
JUST ANOTHER MISTAKE.....
made by Cubs Brass . Lets hope that this can get turned around . While other General Managers also screw up . The Cubs somehow seem to stand out more . All of baseball is watching on how the Bradley mess works out .
a kick in the crotch!
Dare I give the Cubs my heart again?
by digitalbenjamin on Dec 9, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
IT STILL HASN'T HAPPENEDNING!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 3:00 PM CST reply actions
I should clarify
The Mets don’t think it’s likely that they’ll be trading Castillo at all.
Is he traded yet?
by DGU on Dec 9, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
They won't even trade him a little bit?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
Apparently I shouldn't have clarified
since I didn’t clarify.
Is he traded yet?
by DGU on Dec 9, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
are you re-tweeting
yourself in a non-Twitish environment?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
yes (with a sheepish grin)
I like to RT myself. It makes me feel funny. Like climbing up and down the rope in Gym class.
Dare I give the Cubs my heart again?
by digitalbenjamin on Dec 9, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
TWSS
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
Nice
and of course TWSS comes from Wayne’s World if I"m not mistaken
Dare I give the Cubs my heart again?
by digitalbenjamin on Dec 9, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
Also known as power twit
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
by eths on Dec 9, 2009 3:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Drew's wishes?
Come on, does anybody REALLY wish for him to be released if he can’t be traded? Flushing $21 million over 2 years instead of at least giving him a shot?
I really do need to finish my photoshop of MB kicking all of your kittens.
Dum spiro spero…
Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
I don't like cats, so shop away...
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
doesn't it tell you something that the Cubs REALLY, REALLY, REALLY
want to trade him? I mean, they REALLY don’t want to give him a shot. They’ll do it if they absolutely have to. Maybe. Although I still give the chances that he’s on the Cubs come Spring Training 1%
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
Yes, it does tell me something.
It tells me the cubs are in the business of selling baseball as much as playing baseball. The guys in the front office know the bradley haters won’t stop kicking and screaming. They know it’ll be a media circus from day one. They know if the team stumbles out of the gate, he’ll be a target no matter how he plays (or no matter who else is dragging the team down).
They have two options. The circus of keeping him, or the consequences (bad contracts, useless players, playing him to be elsewhere) of ditching him. The majority of fans seem to be willing to accept the downgrade in playing ability, and it’s not like seats will go empty if the team that takes the field in 2010 is slightly crappier than the one we had in 2009. Ditching him is the easiest to swallow of the two bitter pills.
It doesn’t make much sense from a “we want to win a world series” perspective, though.
Dum spiro spero…
Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on Dec 9, 2009 3:29 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Now you understand why they haven't won in 100 years here.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't take it to that extreme...
… and i don’t want to get in to the social, economic, and racial issues that surround a lot of it, but i DO believe that baseball fans, and Cubs fans specifically, have a greater need to “like” the players they cheer for than other sports and other teams do, and i think the front office IS sensitive to that.
Dum spiro spero…
Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
I've said this before ...
Cubs fans seem to find one guy each year who is the designated boo target. I don’t think that Cubs fans need to like the players more than fans of other teams.
The 2006 team was HORRIBLE. Several guys underperformed, especially early in the season — Pierre, Ramirez, Cedeno — but Jacque Jones got the brunt of the boos (and Dusty, but that was different).
The bad guys in WWE bask in that...
why can’t Milton?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
So are you calling MB the TO of baseball?
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
That all may be true...
… but lets be real here… there is a perception surrounding baseball that the players must be good, honest men that doesn’t exist elsewhere in pro sports, and that perception is especially keep when teams with a great amount of history are in play. Hence, all the outrage over ’roids in baseball when it is largely ignored by NFL fans.
Part of this is the records. There is a storied past there that newer players tarnish when they act the way many of them do.
Part of it is the uniforms. Seriously. Sean Merriman is 100 times the jerk Bradley will ever be, has a ‘roid suspension in his past, personal problems off the field… but plays only 16 times a year with a giant helmet covering his face. Fans don’t begin to feel personally attached to football players.
Part of it is the audience. The NBA’s target fan is of a different demographic than the MLB’s. The thug / hip-hop / showboat culture is embraced in the NBA (see: dunk contest), but most signs of that in baseball are considered disrespectful.
All of that is amplified in the friendly confines, where the club’s history runs so deep, and the fans are so engaged in that history.
Dum spiro spero…
Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
Maybe we don't believe there actually will be a downgrade in playing ability
or at least that getting rid of Bradley doesn’t guarantee that. People keep talking about what a great hitter he is, but he’s far from GREAT. Yes his personality is one thing, the fact that he’s had plenty of seasons where he put up mediocre to bad numbers is another.
Some of you act like Bradley is just assured of having some spectacular season, and as Drew puts it over and over again “cutting off our nose to spite our face” Maybe the rest of us see it as dumping a guy who isn’t contributing much on the field, and creating a circus off of it.
Last year was no where near the first time he had a sub par season. It wasn’t that big an anomaly as some would like to make it out to be
If the guy is sucking, AND being a giant turd, wouldn’t you agree there’s a pretty good reason to get him off the squad?
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
by BoVandy on Dec 9, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
As i've stated...
if subpar seasons are the driving force behind who we keep and who we dump, we have far bigger worries than Bradley.
Those that keep acting as if his production is the reason for him going clearly aren’t paying attention. I’m sure the team would be working harder to reconcile if he put up Pujols numbers last season, yeah. But he wasn’t Aaron Miles either. Bradley has a greater potential to help the Cubs win next year than anything we’ve been rumored to get thus far.
Dum spiro spero…
Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
well, let's talk about who the team can really dump
Of the four position players who had down years, the only guy who can be traded/makes sense to be traded/will provide much value in return is Bradley. Soriano’s untradeable, dumping Soto (when he’s cheap and coming off a ROY season isn’t smart) and Fontenot won’t get you much.
We’re not JUST dumping Bradley because he had a subpar season.
But this just isn't the case yet...
The only guy who can be traded/makes sense to be traded/will provide much value in return is Bradley.
Dum spiro spero…
Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
I'd agree that he makes the most SENSE.
But thus far, he can’t be traded, at least not for anything of much value.
Dum spiro spero…
Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
no one
wants to take him without us eating most of his salary.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
because he's so valuable
and they really, really want Hendry to succeed. I guess
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
because
his value has been wrecked, via a number of reasons, including himself.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
what are the other reasons?
oh wait, the media o.O
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
that’s one of them, yes.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 7:31 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, right.
Blame the media for doing their jobs. Remember that the rant that got him sent home was triggered by a simple question from someone everyone here respects (Bruce Miles).
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
and yet
the media certainly bears culpability. I didn’t say they were solely responsible. Can you really say that every reporter has treated Bradley respectfully?
I don’t think you can.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 7:49 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think it matters
Bradley is responsible for his response, not Paul Sullivan or Gordon Wittemeyer. And while those two probably were harder on him then necessary, you seem to think that they had an agenda from day one, which is sheer nonsense.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 9, 2009 7:57 PM CST up reply actions
Correct.
I don’t see any other recent Cubs players having this sort of trouble with reporters. It’s almost as if Bradley went looking for trouble. As Ryan Dempster said, when you go looking for that, not only is it going to find you, but maybe you need to look in the mirror for its source.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Not only that
But if it really was the “big, bad media”, where was the outcry from Lee, Ramirez, Zambrano, Dempster, et al?
Or were they scared of the repercussions from Sully’s poison pen and Gordo’s toxic tweet?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 9, 2009 8:04 PM CST up reply actions
Looking?
He didn’t want to talk to the media.
One baseball game, he came to the plate and heard a woman in the crowd shout to the pitcher, "I'll make you a chocolate cake if you strike out that 'so-and-so'!" Says Strong: "I hit that ball out of the park. Then I looked at her like, 'Do I get a cake now?' "
That fact alone is a problem.
Do you agree?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 8:46 PM CST up reply actions
Normally i would
But Bradley recognized his Kryptonite, recognized what was starting and tried to avoid it. The team told him to talk. Obviously he’s responsible for what he says after that, but to act like he flew into town and started mouthing off to the press about the team, the fans, etc. is not true.
One baseball game, he came to the plate and heard a woman in the crowd shout to the pitcher, "I'll make you a chocolate cake if you strike out that 'so-and-so'!" Says Strong: "I hit that ball out of the park. Then I looked at her like, 'Do I get a cake now?' "
True, he waited for awhile...
then started mouthing off to the press about the team, the fans, etc.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 8:50 PM CST up reply actions
Fine.
One baseball game, he came to the plate and heard a woman in the crowd shout to the pitcher, "I'll make you a chocolate cake if you strike out that 'so-and-so'!" Says Strong: "I hit that ball out of the park. Then I looked at her like, 'Do I get a cake now?' "
of course Bradley is responsible for his response.
I’m not talking about that particular article, anyway.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 8:05 PM CST up reply actions
I meant his response in general
Which is why I referenced the other two writers.
He’s a grown man. He can’t act civil? From all accounts, he was surly to the writers from the beginning.
Sorry, Drew, but if someone is an ass to me from day one, they aren’t going to get a whole lot of leway from me. The writers are people, too, and shouldn’t be held to a standard higher than most people hold themselves to in that regard.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 9, 2009 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
Chicago area writers were speculating
how long it would take Bradley to get booed in Chicago. First at bat? Second? Third?
He wasn’t an ass to the media from the start. Hell, he didn’t want to talk to the media. People complained. Then he did talk to the media. People complained. Etc, etc, etc. And it’s cute how you’re not holding the media to the high standard you hold Bradley to.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 8:10 PM CST up reply actions
Again, though...
… no one else on the Cubs has the problem with the big, bad media that Bradley did. That’s on him, not on the media.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
everyone's different
Zambrano likes to talk about playing for the White Sox, and that gets everyone riled up too.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 8:15 PM CST up reply actions
My, what broad brush strokes you have
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 9, 2009 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
it's funny
because you call Zambrano immature all the freakin’ time.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
And I stand by that
Your point?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 9, 2009 8:17 PM CST up reply actions
just
that it’s funny who does and doesn’t get held to a higher standard…
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
You still haven't made your point
A player was a jerk to people trying to do their job, on more than one ocassion.
A player throws tantrums often.
Yeah, clearly in those two examples, it’s the media’s fault.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 9, 2009 8:20 PM CST up reply actions
you’re leaving out a whole lot of stuff. But, ok.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
This is futile
I respect the fact that you hold on to your opinion despite the fact that you’re in disagreement with 99.9% of people.
What drives me nuts is your refusal to see any other point of view and the bizarre arguments that you’ll put forth to support your opinion, even when a mountain of evidence refutes it.
You think it’s all the media’s fault, fine – you are welcome to your opinion.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 9, 2009 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
I suppose I would agree with you
except for the parts where I said “of course Bradley is responsible for his response.”
But, ok.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
So you were at Fitch Park, then?
Because everyone else that was seems to think otherwise. Most people acknowledge that the ONE COLUMN that you refer to was uncalled for, but you make it sound like it was a witch hunt and everyone was writing things like that.
The article was uncalled for – but cripes, you don’t think his past prompted some of that?
I’ll resist the temptation to be as patronizing as you were in your last sentence.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 9, 2009 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
as patronizing
as you were to begin with?
All he wanted to do was come here and do his job.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 8:15 PM CST up reply actions
He didn't read the job description
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 9, 2009 8:17 PM CST up reply actions
sure he did.
play baseball.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
Not many jobs have a two-word description
And if his did – he failed.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 9, 2009 8:21 PM CST up reply actions
no? He hit over .300 in August.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
OK...revised job description.
play baseball for a whole season
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
he played in more games
than Ramirez did. He played in more games than Soto did. He played in more games than Soriano did
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 8:33 PM CST up reply actions
This is one of the dumber arguements you've tried to make.
Ramirez was injured.
Soto was injured.
Soriano was……injured.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
and Bradley was
from time to time, injured.
Would you say that they didn’t fulfill their job description?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 10:22 PM CST up reply actions
He sat with many questionable injuries
Then he had to sit for suspensions because he is an ass.
He also had to serve a suspension that he could have served while "injured’ but waited for himself to be healthy because of the principle of it all.
he was right to appeal the suspension
the Players Association wanted him to do it anyway.
I wonder if Lou would agree that the injuries were questionable. But hey, I’m not going to doubt your knowledge of what goes on in the Cubs infirmary!!! o.0
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 10:43 PM CST up reply actions
Ah, Drew. Why can't I quit you.
But hey, I’m not going to doubt your knowledge of what goes on in the Cubs infirmary!!! o.0
You respond to TJ11 like that, yet you know what standard procedure is. o.0
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 10, 2009 6:48 AM CST up reply actions
you still haven’t shown that players simply get to show up and say “I won’t play today”.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 10, 2009 9:36 AM CST up reply actions
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 10, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
You have top think about the team at that point.
If you are hurt, just take advantage of the situation and serve the damn thing!
Who cares the PA thinks. Since when does Bradley care what other want. He is out for himself.
who cares what the PLayers Association thinks?
You seem to significantly misunderstand the way labor disputed work.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 10, 2009 9:35 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly!
Most every writer and plenty of fans were already projecting Bradley’s failure. I.e. being an ass.
One baseball game, he came to the plate and heard a woman in the crowd shout to the pitcher, "I'll make you a chocolate cake if you strike out that 'so-and-so'!" Says Strong: "I hit that ball out of the park. Then I looked at her like, 'Do I get a cake now?' "
because they were basing their predicitons on what happened in the past...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
Would that be baiting?
That’s bs, there’s culpability with the media for the situation as well as with Bradley. I’m not trying to absolve Bradley of any wrong doing, but it seems people are forgetting what happened.
One baseball game, he came to the plate and heard a woman in the crowd shout to the pitcher, "I'll make you a chocolate cake if you strike out that 'so-and-so'!" Says Strong: "I hit that ball out of the park. Then I looked at her like, 'Do I get a cake now?' "
In my opinion, the blame is shared...
10% Media
90% Milton
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 8:53 PM CST up reply actions
and the Cubs
Don’t forget they signed him aware of his history.
And so it’s not misconstrued I’m not trying to make excuses for Milton’s behavior, but at the same time there seems to be a lot of revisionist history going on to justify dumping Bradley for more garbage. I’m just not fully onboard with the ideas that there is no chance that Bradley can come back and therefore we should just take whatever we can get.
But i’m done, so I’ll just go back to waiting for the Cubs to win the Series.
One baseball game, he came to the plate and heard a woman in the crowd shout to the pitcher, "I'll make you a chocolate cake if you strike out that 'so-and-so'!" Says Strong: "I hit that ball out of the park. Then I looked at her like, 'Do I get a cake now?' "
Who cares who is to blame?
The fact of the matter is that the relationship between Bradley, his teammates, the fanbase, the media, etc. is tattered beyond repair.
Jim Hendry has two choices – get a bunch of new teammates, a new more roomy stadium, change the attitude of the fan base and the media, and perhaps more the franchise to a more low key city.
or,
he could get rid of Bradley.
Eamus Ursuli!
I care about the blame because I don’t want this situation to occur again and I also don’t want to have to take garbage back for Bradley if we don’t have to.
Jim Hendry is culpable in this mess, Bradley is culpable in this mess, the media is culpable in this mess, the fans are culpable in this mess.
Hendry signed a guy who everyone knew had issues, said guy acknowledged his issues and tried to avoid situations that make him an immature baby,
the media and fans before giving Bradley a chance helped to create a toxic atmosphere, Bradley instead of being adult, professional, etc. and handling deciding to fall back on his crutches and put his back against the wall and shut himself off from everyone else.
Situation gradually and then dramatically declined into poop.
So now we are in a situation where some feel Bradley can’t return and we should take whatever we can get for him.
Some feel Bradley can’t return and if we can’t get anything for him we should just cut him.
Some feel it’s probably best if Bradley doesn’t return but aren’t willing to just cut him loose for what they feel is insufficient return or just cutting him for nothing.
Throughout this scenario many made decisions, many made poor decisions.
Personally I feel it would be best if Bradley is not on the team next year but I don’t feel this situation can be fully blamed on Milton and I feel others are getting off with out any accountability, and I’m not willing to just get rid of Milton for poor return.
One baseball game, he came to the plate and heard a woman in the crowd shout to the pitcher, "I'll make you a chocolate cake if you strike out that 'so-and-so'!" Says Strong: "I hit that ball out of the park. Then I looked at her like, 'Do I get a cake now?' "
And there was reason to believe he would be a choir boy in chicago?
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 9, 2009 8:49 PM CST up reply actions
I'd like to hear a reasonable arguement for that point of view.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
hence my last sentence
“If the guy is sucking, AND being a giant turd, wouldn’t you agree there’s a pretty good reason to get him off the squad?”
I’d certainly like to clear off a few other guys who are dragging down the team’s payroll, while not providing a valuable return, but none of them are also giant a-holes who create a circus off the field.
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
it means
they fear the media more than they fear MB.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
they're looking
to avoid the backlash of keeping him.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
Backlash from the fans or from Milton during the season if he doesn't feel good?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
they don't think ...
that MB can play well here based on all that’s happened. It’s not about fearing the media. It’s about fearing the bad environment caused by MB returning.
caused
by the media.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
you keep saying that
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
you keep ignoring that fact.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
Hard for some Cubs Fans
To see anything with blinders on!
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
A lot of us say that.
Even with his shitty stats last year, what really hurt him is when he opened his big mouth.
yeah,
because the player decides when they sit. Not the manager. o.0
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 7:33 PM CST up reply actions
Really?
You don’t think players beg out of games because of soreness, etc.?
“Bradley, get in there!”
“Lou, my femur is broken.”
“You piece of $h__! Get in there!”
Oh, and when he refused to pinch-hit in September – was that the manager’s doing?
o.0
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 9, 2009 7:59 PM CST up reply actions
Honestly
the self immolation was so bad here by that point, I’d stopped paying attention to the Cubs.
However, I suggest that the player and the manager come to such a decision together in most cases. A player doesn’t show up and say “I’m not playing today.”
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 8:06 PM CST up reply actions
Wanna bet?
A player doesn’t show up and say "I’m not playing today."
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 9, 2009 8:09 PM CST up reply actions
it’s not standard practice.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 8:10 PM CST up reply actions
manny used to do it all the time in boston
hell, bradley admitted he did with the rangers
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 9, 2009 8:12 PM CST up reply actions
On your son's little league team, yeah.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 9, 2009 8:14 PM CST up reply actions
oh, come on.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 8:15 PM CST up reply actions
Indeed
You come across like someone that knows the ins and outs of a major league baseball team . . . standard procedure my ass. Sorry, but I’ll put more credence in what people who are actually around clubhouses say than unqualified opinions.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 9, 2009 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
you think
Ryan Theriot gets to come in the door and say “don’t want to play today, Lou”?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 8:19 PM CST up reply actions
No, I don't.
Does Ryan Theriot represent every single MLB player?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 9, 2009 8:22 PM CST up reply actions
And if Theriot came in the door and said
“I can’t go today” then he’d be out no questions asked.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 9, 2009 8:24 PM CST up reply actions
"I can't go today"
a) Because I’m injured
b) because I’m sick
c) because I don’t want to
d) because you, Lou, are a poopyhead
Two of these are valid. Two are not.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
I wish.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 8:31 PM CST up reply actions
true - I think 24 notice is required.
at least for LFers… ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
no
but they sure did a lot to rile people up.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 7:33 PM CST up reply actions
Drew's a bit of an easy target.
So I apologize for the cheap shot. My bad.
I see it this way: my tickets, beer, pizza, merchandise, cable TV and other add-ons for my Chicago Cubs cost me a pretty penny. I—indirectly or directly—pay for his $21 million. I wouldn’t mind chipping in an extra dollar for every ticket, an extra quarter for my beer and an extra $5 for CSN in order to cover the contract.
This is what I am
the most concerned about. Having Milton in uniform when spring training starts.
More and more I believe this will happen. I also believe this is the legacy that Hendry will leave the Cubs with, a horrible 2008 that put the Cubs in box without allowing any type of flexibility.
What if the uniform is a straight jacket?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
his legacy will be, whether or not he gets rid of Bradley at some point,
that he signed an awful lot of players to really bad contracts, and spent way too much time then trying to get rid of them
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
And what if MB is with the Cubs next year, keeps his mouth shut, and absolutely rakes?
I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...
by Jimmyeatworld on Dec 9, 2009 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
Actually, I believe that a hitter of his quality is due for a resurgent 2010 at the dish...
I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...
by Jimmyeatworld on Dec 9, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
Based on MB's stats for his career...
I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...
by Jimmyeatworld on Dec 9, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
I guess I need to know what you define as
“Just raking”
.270 with 15 homers?
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
Dont forget
all dem walks
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 9, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
well, I've always considered when you say someone is "raking"
you’re talking about swinging the bat well, but okay
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
Great, and when he hits 7th
There he is on first for a groundout DP by Fontenot….
That would be more or less normal for Bradley
But on his larger career, 15 HRs would require 450+ ABs.
What if Tiger's wife invites all 11 of those other women over for Tiger's Private Birthday Party?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
Tiger ran into a tree and 11 women fell out...
I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...
by Jimmyeatworld on Dec 9, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
That would be...
A whole lot of hotties in one room! Might even lead to some cat fighting…I better stop!
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
Hotties?
I’m not so sure. His wife is a hottie. Most of those women look like something i’d try to avoid anytime i somehow get talked in to going out in the Rush Triangle.
Dum spiro spero…
Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
Depends on your perspective....
and your end goal. Looking to take em back to the stabbin cabin is a lot different perspective then taking them home to meet mom and dad.
I have pretty loose morals so I am probably the anti you on this topic.
"All I want is food and creative love" - Rusted Root
by TheRiot Police on Dec 9, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I'd rather spend my time in the stabbin cabin...
… with women who’s breasts don’t remind me of softballs.
And morals have nothing to do with that.
Dum spiro spero…
Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
+1 on softball boobs. yuck.
Dare I give the Cubs my heart again?
by digitalbenjamin on Dec 9, 2009 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
To each his own...
I just choose to not discriminate my ladies…I can usually find a redeeming quality in most ladieis…amazingly those qualities tend to emerge as the night grows older.
"All I want is food and creative love" - Rusted Root
by TheRiot Police on Dec 9, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
They all look like Halle Berry with the lights out
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
Kanye West:
What’s scary to me is
Henny makes girls look like Halle Berry to me
It’d take a LOT of Henny to make any of Tiger’s girls look like Halle Berry.
Dum spiro spero…
Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
How about the porn star.
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
Ugh. THAT is one scary lady.
Fitting Kanye would come up in a thread mainly focused on Bradley. Two dudes who can’t shut up and let their talent at a craft speak for them.
Dum spiro spero…
Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
Love the term "stabbin cabbin" by the way.
I may try to call my room that. The reaction from my lady-friend should be priceless.
Dum spiro spero…
Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
Can't take credit for that...
but I will pass on your affection for the term to my old college roommate.
"All I want is food and creative love" - Rusted Root
by TheRiot Police on Dec 9, 2009 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
"Stabbin Cabin"
Turn it Green!
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
then he'd be having a season like he's never had before in quite a long career
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
Sure that would be great
However his track record of playing about 100 games a year, a chip on his shoulder, injury prone, pain in the ass takes away my hope.
I just think this signing will put the icining on the cake for Hendry. This move tops the other Free agent misfires.
Hendry has been OK and OK doesn’t get it done.
Copied from MLB Trade Rumors & pasted in BCB
3:10pm: Cubs president Crane Kenney implied to the Chicago Tribune’s Phil Rogers that the team won’t be releasing Bradley
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
by eths on Dec 9, 2009 3:36 PM CST via mobile reply actions
meh....screw it
I’m not believing another rumor for the rest of this off season. I’m sick of all these lies getting swept around about the Bradley situation
Wrigley Bound in the Summer of 2010
releasing is not the same thing as not trading
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
On a serious note:
Dropping a player that is decent and costs us that much is a f-ing stupid thing to even consider.
I can’t even believe they are discussing it.
Dan
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Cubs are stuck with Milton Bradley unless Hendry is willing to make a deal that is a complete salary wash
I called this a few weeks ago. Don’t need to be Nostradamus to understand there is no market for Milton Bradley. The only way to move him, as suggested by Paul Sullivan this morning, is to make a deal where the $20 million still owed Milton becomes a wash. That would mean, for example, taking on Pat Burrell plus making up the $12 million difference that exists between the two contract wise.
And I don’t think Hendry has permission to simply swallow $20 million by cutting Bradley outright.
Cubs are screwed on this one. Absolutely so. Jim Hendry made his bed and now has to sleep in it.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
by BLou on Dec 9, 2009 3:37 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Awww.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJTBPdVpdMc
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
Who wants to predict when the Milton Bradley reconciliation press conference will be held...
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
immediately after your public apology to Sue.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 3:38 PM CST up reply actions
I'd say there's a MUCH better chance of that press conference
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
Or right after Tim gets paid for his jerseys.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
I'd still put money on the reconcilliation press conference before that
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
Damn
I forget how much happens on here. It’s almost like an alternate universe.
One baseball game, he came to the plate and heard a woman in the crowd shout to the pitcher, "I'll make you a chocolate cake if you strike out that 'so-and-so'!" Says Strong: "I hit that ball out of the park. Then I looked at her like, 'Do I get a cake now?' "
Where EVERYONE wears goatees...
…even the women.
How illogical!
Fascinating.
Now only 12,859 on the "Cubs Season Tickets Waiting List"...
D Lowe
What are your thoughts? I could see worse options.
by Cubsfan Waveland on Dec 9, 2009 3:43 PM CST reply actions
He'd be a perfect 4th/5th starter.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
would Atlanta take Burrell?
I don’t know what the Braves’ current needs are.
Braves need a bat
and are supposed willing to kick in money on Lowe, sounds like something to explore. So if Tampa will take Bradley, Braves get Burrell and we get Lowe. Maybe the Braves throwing some money to Tampa also.
by Cubsfan Waveland on Dec 9, 2009 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
I would be for this.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
I think if this were an option
it would be done by now. Recent rumor says Braves have stopped asking for vet bats. I think Cox doesn’t want Bradley in his last year.
Is he traded yet?
by DGU on Dec 9, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
The Braves would get Burrell
the Rays would get Bradley.
by Cubsfan Waveland on Dec 9, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
That would be fine
I wonder if Lowe could go back to being a reliever if needed. He was a decent closer at one time.
While I'd agree in general
Keep in mind that Bobby Cox did put up with Gary Sheffield, whom I would compare to Milton, personality-wise.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
Yeah....Cox "put up" with him...
while he was doing this….319/.412/.562
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 4:46 PM CST up reply actions
Sure.
I’m not comparing production. I’m saying Cox has managed volatile personalities, so it’s not like bringing in Milton would be a huge stretch in the clubhouse (unless he’s not producing, of course).
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
Comparing Sheffield to Bradley is like comparing a taco fart to a warm breeze
Yeah they both do the same thing just one smells like cr@p.
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
Actually
its more like comparing a taco fart to a taco fart
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 9, 2009 4:47 PM CST up reply actions
Both smell like cr@p
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
Thats the basic idea, yes
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 9, 2009 4:49 PM CST up reply actions
So you are saying that you want Sheffield in Right next?
or you want a taco for dinner, I’m confused? :P
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
Are you saying your a Fart Sniffer?
gaclaudy is the official BCB fart sniffer?
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
Well there a signature line for ya
“Official Fart Sniffer of Bleed Cubbie Blue”
Does it come with a medical plan? What are the hours? I don’t work after Cinco De Mayo you know.
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
lmao
I’m at a loss for words
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
Extra pay for hazardous working conditions is a must!
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
Translated, that's a real bad insult in MexiSpanish.
And, of course, that’s what I called my sister when we were growing up. Funny stuff.
See - this is where just releasing him becomes a viable option.
I’d rather eat the $21M – or slightly better would be to just eat the $12 for 2011 and get Burrell out of it – than have 3 more years of Derrek Lowe at $15M per.
I mean, seriously – you guys think Lowe is worth $15M a year? Risk it for one year, sure. But three more?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Lowe
is 36 he isn’t a power pitcher I think he has a fw more good years in him and as I have said I would rather get a pitcher in return for Bradley.
by Cubsfan Waveland on Dec 9, 2009 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
braves are looking for
righthanded power. Burrell’s actually a decent idea for them if they buy his bat rebounding, but I haven’t really heard his name been mentioned there.
By itself, I would say that I'd want no part of his 3/45 he has left
but there obviously has to be some bad paper coming back on any Bradley deal. Supposedly it’s a veteran bat that ATL had wanted in exchange. Unless the Braves just want no part of Bradley, it seems like there could be a fit there.
"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin
Braves are saying they are willing to eat money
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 9, 2009 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
I wonder how much? and I wonder how much the Cubs would think
would be necessary? I would think half of that third year, at least. That still has Hendry going from 22 million over two years to 37.5 over three. Braves may have to keep eating.
"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin
Things are not going to be perfect with Bradley
if we want to move him we are going to get some perceived bad deal back or spend a lot of money to help the team that takes Bradley. I think Lowe could be helpful this year.
by Cubsfan Waveland on Dec 9, 2009 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
The Derek Lowe math doesn't work
Lowe is owed $45 million, while Bradley is owed $20. There is no way Hendry has the ability to take on a net $25 million more of salary committment.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Here is a view
If we are going to $6 million now to get rid of Bradley and $10-12 on a pitcher next year or the following year, the math is pretty close if you really want to get rid of Bradley and get a potentially useful piece in return.
by Cubsfan Waveland on Dec 9, 2009 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
Except that Hendry has maxed out his credit cards already
He can’t take on a salary like Lowe unless he clears space. Who on this team can he move that makes up the $25 million difference between Lowe and Bradley? Answer is nobody thanks to Hendry’s wondrous no-trade clauses.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Hendry may have added payroll for 2011 & 2012
or Lowe may pitch good and we move him at the deadline this year to the Angels or somebody in the playoff hunt.
by Cubsfan Waveland on Dec 9, 2009 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
And players come off the books in those years, too.
Is he traded yet?
by DGU on Dec 9, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
Well then present your business case to Tom Ricketts
..because I’m solidly convinced he doesn’t agree.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Cheap outfielders are abundant commodity in the market come January
One example is an Xavier Nady who the Yankees will let go. I’d take Xavier Nady 100 times out of 100 over Milton Bradley, PLUS whatever team picks him up will pay a fraction of what Bradley is currently owed over the next two years.
Cubs are absolutely screwed on Bradley. The only way to move him is to eat same contract salary. And I’m doubting that even remains a possibility.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Everytime you post this idea...
it’s like I’ve read it for the first time!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It is....
The 1st time in an hour!
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
Cardinals.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
Sounds like maybe Milwaukee
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
I heard he was willing to take a 1 year, incentive laden contract
if that’s the case, and then Hendry goes and gets some other pitcher who’s clearly not as good as Harden……well, I guess it would just prove that Hendry isn’t a very good GM………again
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
Yup
The one the thing the cubs need is a bullpen killer
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 9, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
Name a starter out there right now who WOULDN'T be a downgrade to Harden
other than Lackey, because clearly we won’t get him
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
Someone that can go 7 innings more than once in a blue moon
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 9, 2009 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
in fact, name a four or five starter that EVER does that
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
A guy, who when he is health is one of the best control pitchers around?
Or a guy, that you can count on spending 30-45 days on the DL every year and when is healthly will only go 4-6 innings therby taxing the heck out of your bullpen?
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
If we can carry a 10 man bull pen...then Harden can stay.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
meh
Good luck to him, but I don’t think we’ll miss him.
Indeed, Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports tweets that Harden is in talks with the Mariners.
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 9, 2009 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
Back to the AL west with him
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
Harden fixing to be signed
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
Rich Harden will be deeply missed
He is ace-caliber. And that is what you need if you are going to be a serious contender for September and October baseball. Carlos Zambrano and Ryan Dempster are not good enough to front a staff come playoff crunch time.
Harden is not durable. And Harden is perpetually hurt. But Harden is also absolutely electric when on. He should have been this team’s Josh Beckett, or a guy who you massage along until fall baseball rolls around.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Harden insured that our bullpen was shot for two days every time he took the mound.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
You can think that all you want
All I know is that a rotation of Zambrano, Dempster, a rehablitating 36 year old Lilly, a former non-prospect in Wells and whoever from among Samardizja, Gorzelanney, etc. is not good enough to contend. Not by a longshot.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
please.
First of all, if you want to talk honestly about why the bullpen was shot, let’s look at Lou’s use of three relievers in one inning, because they all pitched one third.
Secondly, he didn’t have that many more short outings (less than five innings) than anyone else on the staff did.
I’m not saying he should be slated as our ace, but if he’s willing to do a one year deal, laced with INCENTIVES (I’m assuming at least one of those incentives would be innings pitched) then he’s worth it.
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
yes, which is why I said that if, those were the terms in an earlier post
however, his agent has been quoted as saying that he would be willing to take that kind of a deal
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
Number of times a starting pitcher did not pitch past the 5th inning/total starts
10/24
7/26
4/31
4/27
3/27
Name them.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
The first one on the list is Harden.
One of the 27 start guys is Lilly. The other is Wells.
The 31-start guy is Dempster.
The 26-start guy is Z.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Yep. Harden required the bullpen to pitch 4 or more innings in almost half his starts.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
Cubs already have someone that gets himself into trouble and strikes everyone out to get out of it
that guys name is marmol
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 9, 2009 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
Harden has electric stuff
But his inability to go long in games, the possibility that he could get injured and the Cubs’ current budget situation made him a luxury.
Now, if the Cubs don’t do something with the limited funds they have (the money they saved not signing Harden), I might agree with you.
This is where Jim Hendry's horrific payroll management comes back to bite AGAIN
You mean to tell me a $140 million payroll can’t support a Rich Harden type?!?! What is wrong with that equation?!?!
Harden should not be a luxury item on a team with the 3rd highest payroll and who says it wants to contend in 2010.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
It is a bit sad...
…it has come to this.
If the Cubs don’t put together a very successful year, there are 3 contracts that are going to be the eventual end for Hendry – Spellchecks 10 mil and no trade, Soriano’s long term big dollar amount, and the dough the Bradley deal will cost Mr. Ricketts. There is a chance, Zambrano may play a role in this as well.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
don't forget Dome
he’s as overpaid as the rest
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
Because Ricketts...
…wants to be very calculating in how he goes about evaluating what he has, and he chose the cautious approach.
My guess is, Hendry will fail to meet the high standards of accountability he mentioned on his initial press conference and he will exit his current role after 2010.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Doubtful to happen...
…but IMO, he has been the weak link in the chain for the organization for several years. He just doesn’t have the mindset a modern day GM needs to be successful.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Dec 9, 2009 4:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I actually agree with you on that
Hendry has handcuffed himself with bad contracts that have higher annual payouts over time. But that IS the situation we’re in right now — and that situation made re-signing Harden something the Cubs didn’t want to do.
I got flamed a lot last summer when I suggested that Fukudome and Dempster were overpaid. But if both of those guys were earning less money — or were replaced with cheaper but as productive alternatives — maybe Harden’s back. And that’s not even touching the MB situation.
In all three cases, BCBers let Hendry off the hook by saying that other teams were willing to pay as much, or more, for all three players. But that’s not an excuse! All it means is that Hendry was among several dumb GMs — and he was the one who was unlucky enough to win the bidding.
All that said, I like Dempster. He’s just too expensive, IMO.
Plenty of people winced at the Ryan Dempster contract
Myself included. Dempster’s level of production and value to a team can be filled by somebody earning 1/3 to 1/2 of what he is making. Hell, Jason Marquis isn’t all that far off of what Dempster is.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
plenty of people flamed me ...
for saying Dempster could have made more on the market. In those situations, we shouldn’t defend Hendry. We should all say, in unison, “He should have let them go.”
Again, I like Demp. But $52 million over four years …
sorry ...
they flamed me BY SAYING Dempster could have made more on the open market.
You can argue that
Dempster is more worthy of his check than Zambrano. Dempster has performed fine considering the contract.
Tamia Lynn Davis:
Born: August 18, 2008
interesting point
I guess you can throw Z into the mix of questionable contracts, too.
I don't think Dempster is THAT over-paid.
No one says Lilly is over paid and they almost have identical salaries. But the contracts of Soriano, Fukudome, Bradley and Zambrano are extremely expensive with the performances behind them for the last two years.
Tamia Lynn Davis:
Born: August 18, 2008
Dempster is making $12 million more over the life of his contract than Lilly
Also, Lilly had a more consistent track record as a starter when the Cubs signed him. AND Lilly signed in winter 2006-07, when the national economy hadn’t nosedived.
I’ll grant you the points about the other players. But I understand why Lilly’s contract make sense and why Dempster looks overpaid — at least, at this point. Dempster winning 17 games again might change my mind.
He was just of a good of a pitcher last year
as he was in ’08. Just more unlucky. He could very well win 17 games again in ’10 if his team wins 90+ games.
Tamia Lynn Davis:
Born: August 18, 2008
of course
there couldn’t be any other reason for letting Harden go. It’s not like the Cubs have athletic trainers or pitching evaluators who might think that Harden is going to regress next year, continuing his slide.
My goodness, no.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 7:37 PM CST up reply actions
Are you suggesting
that the Cubs are just a Rich Harden away from contending?
Is he traded yet?
by DGU on Dec 9, 2009 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
Josh Beckett has pitched 178, 104, 200, 174, and 212 inning his last five years.
Harden has pitched 121, 46, 25, 148, and 141. There is no comparison.
"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin
by davidalanu on Dec 9, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
There is also no comparison in what Beckett and Harden command contract wise
Losing Harden is a blow. Folks can non-chalant and sugar coat all they want. But we don’t have the quality in our rotation to overcome the loss of a Rich Harden.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Harden was never on the mound enough to consider his departure a "loss".
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Harden will not be missed
his potential was great but you couldn’t count on the results.
by Cubsfan Waveland on Dec 9, 2009 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
I agree...
…he teases you with his stuff, but I don’t like it at all when a key starter is not reliable.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I'm not disagreeing at all...
But i think it’s interesting/sad that you could take your comment and apply it to Big Z and be just as correct.
You can...
…but in a different way. Z will usually give you innings (that is if his health does not continue to decline), where Harden will look like the 2nd coming of Sandy Koufax for 3 innings and than he either walks 3-4 guys or gets lit up in inning 4 or 5.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Harden = Prior without the shutdown injuries
Potential never realized due to injury, bullpen consumed alive. I’ve seen that opera. In the last act everyone dies.
by ClarkFan on Dec 9, 2009 6:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I prefer
to be chalant.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 7:39 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry, you're the one who said Harden should have been our
Josh Beckett. By that I assumed you meant that he could perform like Beckett.
"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin
Harden is definitely not Beckett
But the comparison I was making is apt. The Red Sox milk Beckett along until they go to the hammer late in the season. I see that being the best way to use Rich Harden. And on a staff with a Zambrano, Dempster and an aging Lilly that has the 3rd highest payroll, he DEFINITELY should not be a luxury item. But alas he is because Jim Hendry has screwed the pooch with his payroll mismanagement.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
They "milk" Beckett?
Look at his IP totals, as noted above. He’s not being babied.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
How can you say with a straight face you feel good about the Cub rotation outlook
Good grief Al.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
a big key is Gorzo
If he steps up and repeats his 2007 success …
and obviously how much and how effective Lilly winds up being
"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin
God save the queen if the key to our 2010 season is Tom Gorzelanny
Think about the lunacy of your statement for a minute. And the thing is, as things stand right now, I actually agree with you !!!
I’m sorry, but I cannot be optimistic at all about 2010.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
So we WILL get to hear you pissing a moaning the rest of the year!!!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't say he was the key to our season
I said a “big key.” If Gorzo quietly wins 13 games at the back of the rotation, especially early in the year when Lilly might not be back, our rotation will be fine. That’s assuming the other guys don’t get hurt.
Any team with a 5th starter that wins 13 games is in good shape.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
right -- and we have a guy capable of doing that
Which is why I’m not too worried about the rotation.
Heavens to mergatroid
Awfully big of you to pencil in Tom Gorzellaney for 13 wins. Jeez.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Milton led the AL in OBP last year.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
Milton didn't play in the AL last year
hence why we have to try and dump him
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
Sure he did
Last year was 2008.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 9, 2009 8:01 PM CST up reply actions
What ARE you optimstic about?
Do you like kittens?
Dum spiro spero…
Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
Kittens are cute with teeth
But Sharks are even cooler! http://robhuebel.com/post/274244625/sharks-with-people-teeth
Dare I give the Cubs my heart again?
by digitalbenjamin on Dec 9, 2009 4:56 PM CST up reply actions
Are you having a Anus Horribilis?
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
And I'm pretty sure that I ...
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
I think you just made his point...
When you’re hanging on whether Randy Wells and Tom %% Gorzellany can be productive, you’re not in great shape.
by Damen Jackson on Dec 9, 2009 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
Prospects can be productive
that is why we held on to ours instead of trading them to get Granderson.
by Cubsfan Waveland on Dec 9, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
When will you ever say with a straight face you fell good about ANYTHIG to do with the Cubs?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
They won a World Series in 1908
Why must I say something POSITIVE about the Cubs when I wince at Hendry rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic? Why do some of you kool-aid drinkers need that validation that EVERY Cub fan is gloriously positive about a franchise who last participated in a World Series at the conclusion of World War II?
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
by BLou on Dec 9, 2009 4:13 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Why must everything be rainbows or puss with you?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
I thought it was drool monkeys or doorknobs???
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
If you've been reading here...
… there isn’t much positivity or kool-aid drinking going on.
We do like to smile and laugh from time to time. Its therapeutic. You should give it a try.
I know its not kool-aid per se, but maybe some Ecto Cooler could put a smile on your face?
Dum spiro spero…
Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 17 recs
WTF mate?
Why isn’t this green?
One baseball game, he came to the plate and heard a woman in the crowd shout to the pitcher, "I'll make you a chocolate cake if you strike out that 'so-and-so'!" Says Strong: "I hit that ball out of the park. Then I looked at her like, 'Do I get a cake now?' "
Hey! Where's mine? You know, the one that says:
When’s the glass going to spill?
Now only 12,859 on the "Cubs Season Tickets Waiting List"...
Most of the time I can't believe you're married.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
excellent!
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 7:41 PM CST up reply actions
There are some poeple with their head in the sand.
This team has serious issues and Hendry has done a poor job of addressing them. I don’t see anything on the horizon changing this.
Hendry’s own mistakes will keep him from fixing much, if he had the ability to fix them at all.
Most people agree with you
The Cubs have lots of issues but claiming the season is over because they don’t have Rich Harden is a bit over the top.
Better be careful putting your head in the sand. You never know when it might get pounded.
One baseball game, he came to the plate and heard a woman in the crowd shout to the pitcher, "I'll make you a chocolate cake if you strike out that 'so-and-so'!" Says Strong: "I hit that ball out of the park. Then I looked at her like, 'Do I get a cake now?' "
so the 2010 season is over
on December 9th, 2009.
You heard it here first, folks…
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 7:42 PM CST up reply actions
Wow
A deck chairs on the Titanic and a Kool-Aid calling out.
by Snake Plisskin on Dec 9, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
actually ...
I could see Z, Lilly, Dempster, Wells and Gorzo all getting 12-15 wins.
only if our offense improves dramatically
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Dec 9, 2009 5:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
it will improve a lot
if Soriano and Soto can split the difference between 2008 and 2009.
Perhaps comparing their "stuff" when both are healthy and dealing is apt
but comparing their performances and not only what they mean to their teams but what they do to their teams’ bullpens is ridiculous.
"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin
Good Lord, man...
You deal out hyperbole and exaggeration like late-night comedians deal out jokes. They’re not on not comparable, but isn’t really the closest comp Ben Sheets? And I’m hesitant to be that kind, as you could at least get 180 innings out of Ben, generally.
by Damen Jackson on Dec 9, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
Ben Sheets is a very good comparison
And a healthy Ben Sheets can be a huge asset to a playoff contending team. Hence why the nanosecond Sheets proves he is healthy (which may not happen), the best and brightest teams in the AL and NL will be lining up to bid on his services.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
On a separate non-BLou-theworldisending-note
Rays are apparently trying to trade for Rafael Soriano. Which will impact any Bradley talks because of the amount of $$$ Soriano will make
We were short.......
On money. Doesn’t Burrell make $12MM and Soriano’s arbitration deal was b/t 6.5 and 8 mill? That’s awfully close to the $20MM plus for Bradley………..
Harden has apparently signed with the Rangers.
I have an idea! Let’s trade Bradley there for Harden!
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I can't wait to see the projections of Harden in Arlington.
His A stuff will work there, but he’s liable to get shelled on an off day.
at daver's request, Let's frontload this B**ch!
I wonder how hell be able to stand the heat
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 9, 2009 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
Best idea that I've heard all day
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
BCB the Seinfeld of blogs
Almost 1000 posts about nothing or at least about something that has not happened.
Blou is our resident bizzaro world charactor too.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
Where else would you rather be?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
I'm here aren't I ?
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Dec 9, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
Take one from column A and one from Column B
A)
B)
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
It looks like picture B has failed over night....
Ersatz Picture:
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
Intersting that you chose RIGHT field . . .
Home of . . .
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 10, 2009 6:50 AM CST up reply actions
racists
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 10, 2009 8:54 PM CST up reply actions
Right Field, Left Field not so important - Wrigley Field is!
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
It's a George Castanza opposite day
we’re all here for a trade and Hendry is going to do the opposite.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
Amazing market for aging catchers this year.
Bet Ausmus gets a good one year deal somewhere.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Dec 9, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
I was just about to post that.
That’s for those of you who think Hendry is the dumbest GM around. Dayton Moore has him beat, hands down.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I submit the name Steve Phillips for your consideration.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
harden close to signing with rangers
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
Wasn't Texas supposed to be cutting payroll?
"Bite my shiny metal ass!" -- Bender Bending Rodriguez
"Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead."
by The Jade Scorpion on Dec 9, 2009 4:31 PM CST up reply actions
they did cut about 9 mil on the milwood swap
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 9, 2009 4:31 PM CST up reply actions
Wonder what Rich gets, then?
"Bite my shiny metal ass!" -- Bender Bending Rodriguez
"Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead."
by The Jade Scorpion on Dec 9, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions
Apparently 7.5 mill with a 11mill buyout for 2011
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 9, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
option not buyout
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 9, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
He's going to one up Bo Jackson and sign with two teams IN THE SAME SPORT and play for each....
he’ll just pitch on 3 days rest all the time.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 4:38 PM CST up reply actions
That'll last about a week
and then his arm well fly right off. Of course Drew will state that he is still the best pitcher out there and challenge you to find another one arm pitcher that is as good as Harden.
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
uh...
I’m not a particularly big Harden fan. I love him for his strikeouts, but hate him for his glass shoulder.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 7:47 PM CST up reply actions
He can't line up for one team every five or six days.
how’s he gonna pull that off?
"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin
when seattle plays texas
he can pitch for both. although that would mean leaving the game after the top of the third. good thing there’s a DH in the AL, otherwise he would have to pitch to himself. And we all know that only Ted Lilly could do that. And he’d hit a homerun while striking himself out.
by portlandcubfan on Dec 9, 2009 6:17 PM CST up reply actions
4:46pm: Drayer tweets herself and says it’s the Rangers and not Mariners on Harden – maybe a mistake tweet earlier.
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 9, 2009 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
That's probably a good deal.
I wish the Cubs had done that.
by shawndgoldman on Dec 9, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
Obviously Hendry should have given him an 18 million 2 year deal.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
Theres no doubt in my mind
that blou would complain about that
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 9, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
I would have been very happy with that
had the Cubs done it. But of course, they didn’t
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
Details here and I also posted a fanpost about this
“According to Craig Calcaterra of NBCSports.com, the Rangers have agreed to a one-year, $7.5 million contract with right-hander Rich Harden.
The deal also comes with an $11.5 million option for 2011. It’s a bold move by the Rangers, who have had their fair share of money problems this year, but it makes more than enough sense. The club has quickly filled a hole left by Kevin Millwood’s rumored departure to Baltimore and snagged one of the filthiest pitchers in the game. The 28-year-old Harden posted a 4.06 ERA, a 1.32 WHIP and an incredible 10.9 K/9 in 26 starts this past season. "
Wrigley Bound in the Summer of 2010
Lindstom...
Traded to the Astros!
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
All this activity, and yet Jim stil finds his hands tied
by a guy named Milton. Hope this soup opera ends soon.
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
thxs...I'm hungry
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
well played
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
I bet we end up keeping him
or get involved in a God-awful trade. I hope not — but I’m not optimistic with the situation.
Tamia Lynn Davis:
Born: August 18, 2008
5:10 CST
I’m getting hungry! What time does Jim Hendry eat dinner? Or will he be ordering in tonight?
"Anyone on our team that thinks we are cursed will be moved to a lesser-cursed team"
-Tom Ricketts
DC Cubbie might have some Soup for you...
Dare I give the Cubs my heart again?
by digitalbenjamin on Dec 9, 2009 5:06 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, watcha want?
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
His standing order for room service is this...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 5:08 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe he Hendry should do deals while having open heart surgery in the future
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
that really has been the only big deal that has panned out in the last couple of years
you might be on to something
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
the bread needs to be toasted
other then that this looks like a good dinner.
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
And some dressing for the daffodils
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
"Pink Wound"?
Is that like a combination of pink taco and hatchet wound? You know, the kind that never heals? Shall I go on? It’ll get much worse, I promise.
"This next song... it's about the White Sox. It's called: F*** Em'." - Eddie Vedder
wow .. i want that ..
Keep the mash.
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we will go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
Biergarten Brotzeit
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
I think hell be ordering donuts
this guy named mike told me that…
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 9, 2009 5:12 PM CST up reply actions
Mitt agrees..
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
Is it sirloin burger?
"Anyone on our team that thinks we are cursed will be moved to a lesser-cursed team"
-Tom Ricketts
Going Home Ya'll
See Ya later. I’ll assume MB will be traded by the time I get home. kthxbye
Dare I give the Cubs my heart again?
Yah sure. Lets have Bradley almost traded thread every day.
We are are not having fun. We are in a state of extreme desperation…
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
Nobody wants him
Hence why the Milton Bradley Reconciliation Press Conference is days in the offing.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Not true!
According to sources, a deal is about three quarters of the way done! It might be done by last night or by today!
/sarcasm
Harry Caray: Marshall is going back to LA to get cocaine for his injured foot.
Steve Stone: Harry, that’s Novocaine.
by Julio Zuleta's Voodoo on Dec 9, 2009 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
according to MuskRat
the deal happened three days ago.
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
And they forgot to let us know...
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
Oh ma gawd, real news - Al, how dare you confuse use like this
City Of Mesa To Upgrade Fitch Park For Cubs
Lady Linkalot
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
The hardest thing
for most of us seems to be watching all of the activity being rumored or going down, knowing that we simply don’t have a horse in this race.
Another trial, another day as a Cub fan.
Numbers may not lie, but they don’t tell the whole truth (and nothing but the truth), either. -- Doug Glanville
especially with a moron as the GM
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
I, for one,
don’t think that Hendry is a moron
Numbers may not lie, but they don’t tell the whole truth (and nothing but the truth), either. -- Doug Glanville
Silly me for spending all day working and pretending to work while applying for PhD positions
I could have been here while NOTHING happened.
Okay, that’s a lie, I was looking in all day. Hoping to see something that would make me smile. You didn’t disappoint me.
"This next song... it's about the White Sox. It's called: F*** Em'." - Eddie Vedder
PhD? We should talk.
I’m in my third year of a PhD program.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I've been putting it off for 3 years... going on 4.
"This next song... it's about the White Sox. It's called: F*** Em'." - Eddie Vedder
So another day of
nothing for the Cubs. :-(
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
Random tweet from a espn writer
GordonEdes: Milton Bradley has a better shot of succeeding Ted Kennedy than he does of wearing a Red Sox uniform….unless I’ve completely lost my mind
Tamia Lynn Davis:
Born: August 18, 2008
Time to write a script for "Mr. Bradley goes to Washington"
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 9, 2009 6:45 PM CST up reply actions
Wouldn't be the first time a sportswriter had completely lost his mind.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
So how long, exactly, is "imminent," anyway?
"Bite my shiny metal ass!" -- Bender Bending Rodriguez
"Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead."
by The Jade Scorpion on Dec 9, 2009 7:17 PM CST reply actions
7:19pm: The Angels have made an offer, according to Bob Elliott of the Toronto Sun. They’d give up Joe Saunders, Erick Aybar and Peter Bourjos for Halladay.
hum diggity
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
that's a very bleh offer
but i’ll be honest, i’m not sure the blue jays are going to do significantly better. I think they’ll probably find a better deal somewhere out there, but with indications that the Yankees may back away for a bit, there’s a good chance that this turns more into the Santana trade situation, although I think if that’s the case, Anthoupoulous may just hold onto Halladay.
Agreed.
If the return is starting to look Santana-esque, then he definitely should hold onto him and see what happens coming trading deadline. Worst case (barring injury of course), he gets his Santana-esque return then. Best case, it’s a repeat of Boston/Philly from last year – only this time, Toronto has a GM who knows when to pull the trigger.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
The problem with that
is Halladay said he would not consider an in-season trade because of the circus it caused this past summer.
Now I’m sure he could change his mind… but if I’m the Jays, I probably have to take the best offer that comes along in the next month or so.
Mariners signed corey patterson
how the hell does he still have a job?
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
seriously,
why didn’t they take Bradley…he’s a better OF…no?
"When I was younger, I could remember anything, whether it had happened or not." --Mark Twain
he costs a ton more
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
sorry for bugging you about this...but I dont get it
couldn’t the Cubs just lower Bradley’s price…I thought the goal was to trade him at any price. Wouldn’t anyone rather have MB than CP?
"When I was younger, I could remember anything, whether it had happened or not." --Mark Twain
Well considering Patterson may be getting a million or so (if he makes the team)
The Cubs aren’t sending along $20 million with Bradley.
oh....(sigh)
"When I was younger, I could remember anything, whether it had happened or not." --Mark Twain
It's a minor league deal.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Dec 9, 2009 8:40 PM CST up reply actions
I know
But still…
This Chicago Cubs team is currently Aaron free. Keep it that way, please.
by jesus christos on Dec 9, 2009 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
The fact that someone is still paying him real $ to play baseball is a travesty....almost as bad as paying Aaron Miles.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 8:43 PM CST up reply actions
Worse. at least Miles was almost useful as recently as a year ago.
"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin
This just in
Bradley will remain a Cub. You heard this from BLou earlier.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
And I'm getting no swearing about my negativity
Come on, people. Let’s take it up a notch.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
if you want to take it up a notch, I suggest you scroll up a bit
and join in the virtual representation of that Dr. Seuss classic “The Zax”
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
You know with the way Hendry was moving the majority of his mistakes last year
I thought he was gonna get this done. Well, I hoped to much as always!
Back from Basketball Practice and see Jim Hendry has wasted our time for 3 days now.
Drew may get his wish. His boy may very well be back in RF.
On the bright side it will help get rid of Lou and Jim when it all blows up in May at the latest.
I think it's totally awesome
that if Bradley ends up staying a Cub, people are going to think I’m responsible. :D
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 10:44 PM CST up reply actions
Careful what you wish for.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 10:46 PM CST up reply actions
oh, yes.
Drew, who went to all of four games last year, and couldn’t get Jim Hendry on the phone if his life depended on it, HE’s responsible for Bradley still being here.
You guys are whack.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 10:51 PM CST up reply actions
I'm going to have to sort of....disagree with you here. Dan's right.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 10:52 PM CST up reply actions
You have no idea how BCB post numbers directly correlate with on-field performance, do you?
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
if that were the case
Riot would either be great or terrible, instead of just average.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 10:54 PM CST up reply actions
He's an above average shortstop.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
oh,
have you changed your position on Theriot?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
No, The Riot switched it up.
Now he’s the guy with the whip.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I'm only repeating what the "numbers" say.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
It's not whack!
It’s wiggedy wiggedy wiggedy wiggedy wack!!!
One baseball game, he came to the plate and heard a woman in the crowd shout to the pitcher, "I'll make you a chocolate cake if you strike out that 'so-and-so'!" Says Strong: "I hit that ball out of the park. Then I looked at her like, 'Do I get a cake now?' "
because not only do I make Jim Hendry keep him
but I also make Bradley play poorly.
You’re a trip.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 10, 2009 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
This I agree with
MB will blow up again, count on it. The good thing is Lou and Jimbo will be shown the door, and maybe the Cubs in 2011 will eat Bradleys contract.
This has been a disaster
Can someone post a listing of MB trade ideas that fell through?
I think half the frustration is that BCB has talked itself into MB trades that were unrealistic.
1) MB for Burrell (still possible)
2) MB for Burell with the Castillo flip- nope
3) MB for Pie- nah gahna happan
4) MB to the mysterious AL team behind door number 3
5) MB for Lowell nuh uh why not
6) MB for Dontrelle
7) MB and our farm system for Granderson- stop I can’t take it anymore
What am I missing? I’m firmly in Drew’s camp: it’s cheaper to keep her.
Always loyal to Leon
MB for AIDS
STILL IN DEBATE
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
wow
classy.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2009 10:51 PM CST up reply actions
Hey...AIDS is expensive.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 9, 2009 10:52 PM CST up reply actions
Auto
Immuno
Deficiency
for
Success
AIDS
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Ooooh com'on Drew I spent a lot of time thinkin bout this.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Actually, way back when... circa early 80s I think...
I had a summer internship with GE working in their computer operations group. Of course, being the intern, I got all the wonderful jobs – one of which was running all the tape backup jobs for their servers. It actually was pretty easy because it was fairly automated. And integrated. For all their disks. All I had to do was the setup.
Yep – that’s what they called it. The Automated Integrated Disk Setup system. AIDS for short.
Needless to say, they went through a re-naming exercise shortly thereafter.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
So you're the reason we signed Milton Bradley?
If I’m reading you correctly?
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Just woke up - anything happen during the night? MB??
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
As in HIV positive ???
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
Not possible. That man is negative
about everything.
at daver's request, Let's frontload this B**ch!
AIDS is one of the (few) things which shouldn't be joked about, imvho
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
Okay, I'll stop.
I’m just joking, obviously. At least obviously to me. I won’t joke about it anymore if it offends you. Hell, I work in special education; I’m sure people can go crazy with that.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
After losing friends to HIV, I'm a bit touchy...
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
by eths on Dec 10, 2009 1:38 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
FWIW
It’s a South Park reference. I’m okay with joking about it so long as the joker knows how serious the problem is. The statistics are shocking in certain African countries.
OT: HAI DAN! Mangino pics ahoy
www.facebook.com/craighudak
by Craig in South Bend on Dec 10, 2009 12:03 AM CST reply actions
It's about f-ing time you show up.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Sorry
I was busy having my doctor screw me and my wife over by not being able to tell us the sex of the baby. Then I had a delicious salad for dinner and painted the kid’s room a gender f’n neutral color.
I could have done this yesterday, but, uh, I played Modern Warfare 2 for a long ass time.
www.facebook.com/craighudak
by Craig in South Bend on Dec 10, 2009 12:06 AM CST up reply actions
Double reply time
The entire conversation that took place on this thread today was so entirely surreal and amazing at the same time. It was like I got lost in my own dream, and there were people there endlessly and blindly arguing the benefits of keeping herpes sores visible on your face.
www.facebook.com/craighudak
by Craig in South Bend on Dec 10, 2009 12:10 AM CST up reply actions
There's nothing like a good herpes-in-the-face-sore.
And KU won by 30+. We rule. AIDS for everyone.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
You know who doesn't rule?
Notre Dame on dragging their feet signing Kelly. MAKE IT HAPPEN JIM…Wait…Um…
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by Craig in South Bend on Dec 10, 2009 12:15 AM CST up reply actions
I heard they already signed him.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Who Edsal? I heard that too.
One baseball game, he came to the plate and heard a woman in the crowd shout to the pitcher, "I'll make you a chocolate cake if you strike out that 'so-and-so'!" Says Strong: "I hit that ball out of the park. Then I looked at her like, 'Do I get a cake now?' "
It was a joke, from what i’ve been hearing all signs have now switched to edsal (edsall?) from Connecticut and not Kelly.
Updated: December 10, 2009, 2:05 AM ET
Source: Irish interested in Edsall
One baseball game, he came to the plate and heard a woman in the crowd shout to the pitcher, "I'll make you a chocolate cake if you strike out that 'so-and-so'!" Says Strong: "I hit that ball out of the park. Then I looked at her like, 'Do I get a cake now?' "
Excellent.
Kelly has shown he can recruit people to the Midwest. I’m all for giving the next ND coach a little more challenge.
at daver's request, Let's frontload this B**ch!
Salvador Dali for Milton Bradley
and on Thursday we could do a DADA thread
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
by eths on Dec 10, 2009 1:33 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
From the MLB app on my mobile
Right fit for Bradley hard to come by
Slugger praised by Sox GM; reported rumor involves Lowell
By Carrie Muskat / MLB.com
12/9/2009 7:16 PM ET
INDIANAPOLIS — The Cubs may be running out of options regarding Milton Bradley.
etc. etc. etc.
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
by eths on Dec 10, 2009 1:47 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Not that i'm a supporter of Bradley AT ALL
but do you think with all of this talk and such, if he stays on the Cubs, do you think he will get fired up and show everyone different, or just be an ass (the thing he is good at)
He won't change a bit.
Please, please let him be unchanging in Tampa.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Ugh.
People CAN change. Everybody said Randy Moss would never grow up as well.
Its this black and white view that is so annoying about you Bradley haters. And those of us that are willing to see the grey are berated and mocked for it.
You are right. If he came back, it’s likely he’d be a pain in the ass again. But it is possible he wouldn’t, and the fact that you, Al, and many others ignore that possibility is truly perplexing.
Utterly redic.
Dum spiro spero…
Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on Dec 10, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
Just like abusive husbands/boyfriends can change, right?
He could get better. But it’s probably going to be uncomfortable.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 10, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
That's probably exactly what Hendry said about Bradley's previous behavior.
And it was just as bad.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Twitter tweet (c. 08:05 UTC or c. 2:05 AM in Chicago)
SI_JonHeyman #rangers have good shot at lowell. even if they pass, they wont revisit milton bradley, limiting dwindling #cubs options
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
OT: I love the way the clock at chicagobreakingsports.com is 10 minutes fast
They report the news before it happens…
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
Dumping Milton Bradley proving difficult
Chicago Cubs can’t find a taker for big-money problem
By Paul Sullivan
Tribune reporter
December 10, 2009
INDIANAPOLIS — At the rate things are going this winter, the Cubs soon may be asking the government for a Milton Bradley bailout.
Any movement toward a deal dissipated at the winter meetings Wednesday, apparently leaving the Cubs where they started when the off-season began.
etc. etc. etc.
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
I'll contribute to the MB Stimulus Fund
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we will go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
Winter Meetings Review: Day 3 (mlbtraderumors.com)
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
Latest pile of rumors .. Miltie to Boston
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/1931686,CST-SPT-cub10.article
As if Milton Bradley’s summer at Wrigley Field wasn’t loony enough, the crabby outfielder’s winter is reaching new levels of absurdity.
The latest? The Cubs are rumored to be talking to the Boston Red Sox about a swap of bad contracts that would send third baseman Mike Lowell to Chicago.
Forget for a minute that Boston might be the only worse media/fan/facilities/ societal fit for Bradley than the North Side. But what’s in it for the Cubs if Lowell’s $12 million in 2010 is tough to move, considering they already have Aramis Ramirez (whose shoulder is fine, says the team)?
The only thing more ludicrous might be that neither team was willing to explicitly shoot down the rumor.
In fact, the Cubs aren’t denying much of anything anymore when it comes to Bradley rumors, which might be a sign that the trade market for him is even weaker than first thought.
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we will go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
This is the best part - No names, no sources but still, somehow, strangely creditable
And at least one general manager linked to Bradley trade rumors got an e-mail from one of his team’s most prominent players seeking assurances Bradley would not be acquired. The player was assured.
Oh, but, to be a fly on the wall…
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
i say again ..
the pain .. the pain ..
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we will go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
Hot Stove - Winter Meetings Enter Last Day – 6:00am Est. Update
- Ken Rosental of FoxSports.com indicates the Cubs may have to add players to a deal to be able to trade Milton Bradley.
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
Bradley trade talks at impasse
The Rays appear to be the only team still interested in Bradley. The Rangers no longer are pursuing him. The Red Sox, sources said, briefly considered acquiring Bradley for third baseman Mike Lowell, but instead decided to send Lowell to the Rangers in a deal that must clear several obstacles to become official. — Ken Rosenthal
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
Milton Bradley is DADA
stream club said. save gain
NDIANAPOLIS flag? "And million?‘’ or don’t
Cubs why releasing him. away
Jim Hendry’s efforts don’t any
24/7 rumors … 2008 over
trade of million?’’ any can
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- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
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- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
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