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Griffey----> Seattle? No, wait. Atlanta? No, wait....

Ugh... As a Cubs fan living in Seattle, I just want this all over with. Yes, I grew up in Seattle watching Griffey in his first 11 years as THE BEST baseball player I've ever seen in my lifetime.

I hated seeing the Mariners trade him to the Cincinnati Reds for pennies on the dollar, really... but I didn't realize just how much I would hate it until I saw him play at Wrigley Field. And boy, can he surely hit the ball at the Friendly Confines... and out of it too, onto both Sheffield and Waveland. Yeah, he killed the Cubs at GAB too, but everyone can hit there.

Yes, he's a flawed baseball player at this point in his career - can't do much with the glove and lefties murder him, but he still can bring it against right-handed pitchers. Last I checked, that's pretty much all the Cubs have (yes, I know... Ted Lilly says hi to you, too).

He's probably going to choose a team this week, and I really wouldn't mind him going to a team the Cubs don't have to compete against next year. Today's reports have him signing with the Atlanta Braves, after this weekend's reports had him signing with his original club, the Seattle Mariners.

This would not be a smart move for the Braves, who are trying to figure out their young talent in the outfield and have no dh to keep his legs from failing him. I can't blame him for wanting to play there. He has some ties to the Atlanta area through his son, and he could hit a baseball from his home to the Braves' spring training complex (probably not that far from it, actually).

I also heard someone mention the St. Louis Cardinals as still being an option... and I sure as hell would hate that. Talk about a complete nightmare. I would sure hate if he became their Jim Edmonds, because they could actually use a left-handed hitting outfielder to go with Ankiel, Ludwick and Schumaker, maybe Duncan if he's healthy. It would also allow them to move Schumaker to 2b occasionally, since they have a hole left from losing Miles to us and letting Kennedy walk.

I'm not sure Junior's heart is telling him anything right now, I started to question whether he had one long before he bullied his way out of Seattle before the 2000 season. Signing with anyone other than the Mariners would sure drive a stake through it, especially after the emotion of his last return to SafeCo Field where he said he wanted to end his career as a Mariner.

As we Cubs fans know from the Heilman fleecing, the Mariners have hired a shrewd and capable GM out of the Milwaukee system, so for all we know, he's not actually going as hard after this many think. It might take an "Out of Left Field" book to figure that out after several years down the road, but he's probably not offering the money Atlanta is or the security Atlanta is. The Mariners new GM seems like the kind of guy who is offering Junior very little base salary, with a ton of incentives and not guaranteeing he'll get off the bench if he's hobbling or not hitting.

Either way, I personally know a lot of people who are holding their breath and hoping they get up in the morning to hear he's coming "home". He won't get that in Atlanta. They wouldn't care if it's him or Garrett Anderson playing the outfield next year.

I just want him out of the National League. I wouldn't mind not having to root against him.

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I don't understand why he would want to stay in the NL.

At least with the Mariners, he could DH part of the time and get more AB that way. With any NL team, he probably can’t play more than 3x a week.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 17, 2009 3:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Don't understand why anyone in the NL wants him

I don’t he has anything left in the tank offensively either. Cannot see him being much of an asset for anybody

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by MJMars on Feb 18, 2009 9:48 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Normally I'd agree with you...

…but there was a little something last year called the Jimmy Edmonds Experience that will forever give me pause before dismissing a seemingly washed up, aging ballplayer.

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by ballhawk on Feb 18, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yabbut...

… Griffey’s 2008 was worse than Edmonds’ 2008. He can’t be any better now.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 18, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

wouldn't a more apt comparison be Griffey's 2008 and Edmonds' 2007?

My point was anyone who’s thinking Griffey doesn’t have anything left in the tank was probably saying the same thing about Edmonds last year. And look how Edmonds turned out.

Not saying Griffey’s due for a resurgence like Edmonds, but after what I saw last year, I’m not so quick to rule it out.

btw – their 08 numbers aren’t all that far apart. Edmonds slugging and OPS+ were higher, but Griffey had better avg, and obp.

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by ballhawk on Feb 18, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If that's true...

… then Griffey’s even more done.

I still think Seattle would work better for him, as they could stash him at DH; he might play 100-110 games for them.

For the Braves, he’ll be lucky to play half that many.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 18, 2009 5:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ok - I'm missing something here...

are you saying Edmonds had a bad year in 2008?

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by ballhawk on Feb 18, 2009 6:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I misread what you wrote.

I thought you were saying that GRIFFEY was more done in 2007, and if so, that’s TWO years after he was any good. Sorry.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 18, 2009 7:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand what motivates him to keep playing?

Well, I suppose it’s money or the chance to play on a winner or a bit of both? But he’s so far from removed from his greatness that younger fans are going to associate his name with a guy who sucks rather than a guy who is one of the greatest ever, but more than that he does not have much to contribute anymore. I am not complaining that Jr. is still trying to play, I just don’t understand his motivation given the level of greatness that he once played at.

by DudeVf11 on Feb 18, 2009 8:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's a little early...

…to call the Heilman deal a “fleecing,” don’tcha think? You know we gave them Ronny Cedeno, right? (And, yeah, the Olson kid.) Heilman had a few great years with the Mets, and I don’t see why he couldn’t rebound from his ’08 troubles to give the Cubs a decent to good ’09 as a solid bullpen arm or even a bottom of the rotation starter.

As for Junior, he simply does not scare me anymore. Great player. Apparently, great guy. But if he went to the Cards or the Braves, I could care less.

"[It's going to be] a long, long spring. I will get tired of the prickly pear margaritas." - Lou Piniella, 2/16/09

by dat cubfan daver on Feb 17, 2009 3:39 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Nope...

It was a fleecing, because the guy was already bellyaching about being a reliever and not getting to start here. They were already getting tired of him and looking to get rid of him. So they were looking to sell low on the guy, and the Mariners not only got Olson, who they’ll control on the cheap for longer than Heilman, and Cedeno, who can help with their underwhelming situation in the middle-infield. If Hendry was going to continue his man love for Heilman, he could have got him for a lot less than what he gave up. Pie and Cedeno for Heilman and Williamson was way too much to give up.

Hopefully it works out for the Cubs, but whether it does or not… it was still too much to give up.

As for Junior, take a look at his numbers last year against the Cubs… you can say he doesn’t scare you, but I’m scared of anyone who can put up those kind of numbers. (btw… he’s not such a great guy, and he’ll prove very disengenuine if he doesn’t resign with Seattle after publicly stating he wanted to finish his career there, and then spurning them for the second time.)

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by jameslcrockett on Feb 18, 2009 12:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed about Griffey.

Not so much about the trade. I think Cedeno is a decent player, but we all know his limitations.

Heilman will be fine if he can recover his 2006/2007 form.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 18, 2009 4:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hm, well, I'll admit...

…I wasn’t aware he put up a .985 OPS against the Cubs last year. When did those 35 ABs happen? But, still, even if he goes to the Braves – and stays healthy (big if) – he’ll probably only have 15 to 20 ABs against the Cubs. I guess he’d be a little more threatening if he joined the Cards, but I’ve heard no such rumors and he’d drastically weaken their outfield defensively.

And while it does seem like the Mariners got a little more for Heilman than they should have, I still think the jury is out on the trade. Olson has yet to prove himself a decent major league pitcher, and just because Cedeno is better than the dismal infield defenders the Mariners have now doesn’t necessarily make Ronny more valuable than he actually is. He’s still just a utility infielder (whom the Cubs could actually use to backup 3B & SS right now, but that’s another issue). And, again, Heilman has a pretty big upside.

"[It's going to be] a long, long spring. I will get tired of the prickly pear margaritas." - Lou Piniella, 2/16/09

by dat cubfan daver on Feb 18, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

try 1.112

That was his OPS last year at Wrigley Field in 22 ABs – 3 HRs, 9 RBIs.

Career at Wrigley: 166 ABs, 10 HRs, 38 RBIs, .295/.376/.542/.918.

I’m damn glad he won’t be coming back any time soon.

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by jameslcrockett on Feb 18, 2009 7:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, right you are.

I was looking at his OPS “vs. opponent.” Again, I must confess, I don’t remember him hitting that well against the Cubs last season whatsoever. But, in any case, it looks like he’ll be finishing his career in Seattle after all.

"You've got to earn winning your division. We won more games than anybody in the National League last year, and we're going to have a target on our back, so we've got to be ready.'' - Lou Piniella, 2/17/09

by dat cubfan daver on Feb 19, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

As much as I like Griffey, fact is you can stick a fork in him because he is done

My mother is retired and living out in Washington State. She has become a Mariner fan in addition to her longtime allegiance to the Cubs. She tells me that Seattle baseball fans aren’t exactly enthralled over the potential return of Griffey Jr. And for good reason. The Mariners are awful and should be in full blown rebuilding campaign. It’s hard to understand the benefit of bringing back an ancient relic for a farewell tour. Anybody who watched Griffey in a White Sox uniform understands that he has very little left in tank.

by BLou on Feb 17, 2009 3:51 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Griffey in the WS uniform last year......

reminded me of Mays in a Mets uniform and the embarrassment he brought upon himself.

If you had to choose just one characteristic that would get you through life, choose a sense of humor.

by Clutche on Feb 17, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Griffey was outstanding star and is Hall of Fame bound

But now is the time to hang em’ up and move on. Griffey can’t play this game anymore.

by BLou on Feb 17, 2009 4:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's my point exactly

If you had to choose just one characteristic that would get you through life, choose a sense of humor.

by Clutche on Feb 17, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sheffield AND Waveland

Astute observation, James. Griffey was one of a handful of lefties who could easily put the ball out of Wrigley the opposite way – in BP and games. I’ve gotten several balls from him while standing on Waveland while most everyone else ran over to Sheffield. All mine were from BP though – bummer. Would have liked to gotten a game home run from him. If he signs with Atlanta, I still might…

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Feb 17, 2009 4:10 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

yeah...

He’s always had tremendous power to the opposite field, and I don’t think too many players can say they’ve gone opposite field onto Waveland. That is an absolute blast. I had been watching him since I was 11 years old at that point, and thought I saw everything from him until I saw him do it in a game I went to at Wrigley.

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by jameslcrockett on Feb 18, 2009 12:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

In the last few years before the bleacher-expansion...

…Griffey, Dunn, Berkman, Thome, Edmonds, and Bonds would consistently put them out onto Waveland during batting practice, wind or no wind.

As for gamers… I’ve seen Griffey, Berkman and Edmonds go out to left-center (I got the Edmonds). I’m pretty sure Bonds has gone the opposite way as well. Those were all blasts and needed no help from the wind. I’m guessing there were probably others from before my time (Stargell, Jackson, Williams, McCovey, etc.) but I don’t know for sure.

I’ve also seen McGriff and Vander Wal hit game home runs opposite way, but those were just high fly balls that barely cleared the old family section high fence and were probably wind-aided a bit.

In the new bleacher configuration, Edmonds has come close a few times and most likely would have made it out before expansion. And believe it or not, Big Z came fairly close to leaving Wrigley the opposite field with a game homer, down the left-field line. Couldn’t see it too well given my vantage point, but it was a line shot landing maybe 1/2 to 2/3 up the bleachers. A little more loft and it could’ve come out. Al can probably speak better to this one.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Feb 18, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I think I remember that one.

The new bleachers are a large enough structure that they do tend to knock down some balls that otherwise would leave the park, especially with the wind blowing in.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 18, 2009 2:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Did Glenallen Hill

Ever go out of WF opposite field?

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by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 18, 2009 5:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

nope

In my ballhawking career (1990 – present), Sosa is the only right-handed hitter to put one out onto Sheffield. Piazza defiantly had the proper swing to do it – his power was to right-center – but never hit one far enough at Wrigley.

I think other righthanders have gone yard to Sheffield, but it probably was probably back in the day. I imagine Kingman or Schmidt to name a couple, could have done it. Al used to sit over in right – maybe he saw one?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Feb 18, 2009 6:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with ballhawk.

Most RH hitters couldn’t get it to the street on Sheffield. Kingman & Schmidt were pull hitters, I don’t think they ever did, either.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 18, 2009 7:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

McGwire?

I know most of his were pull shots… but I would have thought he might have been able to do it.

Comically… if Sheffield were a lefty, wouldn’t that have been a hell of a marketing tool to get him in a Cubs uniform? I’m just sayin…

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by jameslcrockett on Feb 18, 2009 7:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't recall McGwire hitting one to RF.

I do remember him breaking up Jon Lieber’s perfect game in 2001 with a homer to CF, though.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 18, 2009 10:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well, he'd certainly had the strength to do it...

…but he just didn’t have the swing for it.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Feb 18, 2009 10:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Mac

He did before he started trying to pull EVERYTHING… which obviously worked out pretty well for him

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by jameslcrockett on Feb 19, 2009 12:03 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Griffey Should End with Seattle

It would be nice for Griffey to end his career with the same team (Mariners) he started like Gary Carter, Reggie Jackson, and Don Sutton did. Griffey might have some attachment to Atlanta because his dad played with the Braves for a couple of years. He would be better off as a DH in Seattle.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Feb 18, 2009 2:27 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

i agree

it would be like coming “home”. even if it’s only for purely sentimental reasons. that said, if griffey thinks the braves have a chance to contend, and he can be a part of it, i think that’s where he’ll end up.

There's nothing wrong with this team that more pitching, more fielding and more hitting couldn't help......"--Bill Buckner

by laidbackliam on Feb 18, 2009 5:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

New developments part 29874934730234

link

We’ve heard this tons before, but this is the first time an Atlanta TV station has waved the white flag, so they wouldn’t really have a reason to report this unless there was more merit than the previous reports.

Lots of talk about Griffey being done… and I think the reporting of his demise is greatly exaggerated. No, he’ll never be a premium defender, might not even be an average corner outfielder… but he did have knee surgery during the offseason and it might make him more passable than he looked with the White Sox last year (still seeing him on the Southside turned my gut either way). He should also never see an atbat against left-handed pitching. He’s truly done in that regard.

He’s truly found his heart and his head in his decision to go back to Seattle. With him as a DH/part-time LF, I’m not convinced the Mariners aren’t better than the Braves will be this year. The Mariners don’t have any better offensive options in left field or at DH… they have a better defender in Endy Chavez, but he’s almost worthless offensively. Their other option seemed to be Curacao-native Wladimir Balentien, but he’s yet to prove he can hit or field above AAA. As long as his knee will let him, he will see the outfield a couple times per week. It might even be more so they can get guys like Jeff Clement and Russell Branyan more at-bats, but I wouldn’t risk it.

If his swing holds up like it has the last few years, it’s practically tailor-made for SafeCo Field… actually it’s the other way around, which is why it was so ridiculous for him to want out of Seattle after only one half season playing there. This is really a no-lose situation for Junior. He gets the goodwill of having not spurned his original team and fans for a second time, and he might just end up having a productive season in a Mariners uniform to end his career… and if he goes out and sucks or gets hurt, it’s only a small contingent of Mariners fans who will hold it against him.

If the Mariners get good seasons from Ichiro!, Adrian Beltre, Jose Lopez and some of the spare parts they’ve brought in like Griffey, Branyan and Cedeno, their offense could be as good as it was two years ago, when it was one of the best in the American League. And if their pitching holds up like it should have last year, when they were the pre-season favorites to win a division, which is even weaker this year… well, then the summer might not be so bad up here in Seattle.

It’s official: link

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by jameslcrockett on Feb 18, 2009 7:43 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

ok...

just to clarify. I don’t think the Mariners will contend next year, simply because it’s not their goal to contend next year. It’s possible with their current front office situation, they’ll become similar to the Oakland A’s, building to the future, while making shrewd moves to help the team be competitive now… but I doubt they’ll make a huge effort if they fall behind. Most likely, if they’re more than a couple games back, they’ll look to trade any veteran on the team that’s healthy and won’t be a long-term factor with the club, including Adrian Beltre… and try to sell as high as possible on guys like Jarrod Washburn, Miguel Batista, Kenji Johjima, Yuniesky Betancourt and useful spare parts such as Russell Branyan and Tyler Walker. They’ll be gone pretty quick to any team that wanted to pay their salary and give up something so it doesn’t just look like a salary dump.

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by jameslcrockett on Feb 19, 2009 5:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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