Peavy-Free Wednesday Morning Cubs/MLB Headlines
Derrek Lee and Aramis Ramirez think steroid punishments are too light:
Lee said Tuesday he agreed with White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen's proposed one-year ban for first-time offenses, saying, "There should be zero tolerance. We've had plenty of warnings. There's no excuses. You get caught now, there should be no sympathy. A year, to me, is even light."
Meanwhile, A-Ram says to out the rest of the 2003 list:
"Because (otherwise) everybody's going to be looking over your shoulder and saying, 'They might have done it,' or 'They might have done it,' " Ramirez said a few hours before New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez addressed the media in Tampa, Fla., regarding his 2003 positive test and subsequent admission of guilt. "Just get it out and get it over with and move on."
Here's what the MLBPA is telling players about the 2003 results.
The Toronto Globe & Mail profiles Ryan Dempster and his decision to not pitch in the WBC. Also, Lee and Ramirez won't play in the WBC, either. And neither will Scott Kazmir. Or Francisco Liriano. (Is there anyone left who will play?)
Potential good news: Eric Gagne has signed a minor league deal with the Brewers. He was bad for them last year; I can't imagine him being any better this year.
Roger Clemens is in more trouble. (No surprise there.) Jose Canseco wants MLB to say "We're sorry." (Good luck with that.) Miguel Tejada tells his teammates he's sorry. (Lots of apologies to go around these days.) Oh, and about that A-Rod apology yesterday? Ken Rosenthal and Jayson Stark weigh in.
Finally, a reminder if you are going to try to buy single-game tickets when they go on sale Friday: if you are in the Chicago area, you can pick up a wristband at Wrigley Field today from 11 am to 10 pm or tomorrow from 7 am to 10 pm.
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1st
i had to once
I'm finally moving on...
by slocs55 on Feb 18, 2009 8:14 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
hmmm...Hanley Ramirez bulks up
Bad timing or great workout ethic?
It made me wonder
Many sources but I’ll link to this one
"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."
by flachimesa on Feb 18, 2009 8:16 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
If it's not a great workout ethic...
… then he’s really, really dumb.
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by Al on Feb 18, 2009 8:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If....and I'm only saying IF....he used any PED, it would have been before
the ARod stuff hit the fan.
IF he took anything to enhance his workout and new linebacker-like physique, he’s probably crapping in his shorts right about now.
"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."
by flachimesa on Feb 18, 2009 8:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not a good way to improve defense, unless he plans to just get in front of more balls this way
Defensively, Ramirez acknowledges that there is need for improvement. He was charged with 22 errors last season, most of any major-league shortstop.
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by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 18, 2009 8:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He'll be at third before too long
theyre already moving him down in the lineup, so its a natural progression
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Feb 18, 2009 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Like One Year 1st Time Suspension
That would send a stronger message than the current 50-game first time suspension. The game needs to be cleaned up further. This should only apply to those who test positive from here on out. I don’t believe in suspensions for positive drug tests from 2003.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Feb 18, 2009 8:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Players Union Would Object. But...
I still feel this is something that individual players in the union should want to clean up the game more. I don’t see the penalties changing anytime soon because of the union. The punishments need to be stronger.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Feb 18, 2009 8:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think as the groundswell builds, change will come
With higher-profile players like David Ortiz and Derrek Lee speaking out and supporting a one-year ban, I think it will help it go through.
If the Union comes out and says, make it more stringent, they can get some positive press out of the mess that Fehr and Orza may have built.
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by Trey2317 on Feb 18, 2009 9:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Correct me if I am wrong.....
MLBPA cannot reject if Congress imposes it, and since MLB has an anti-trust, Congress can do so.
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 18, 2009 9:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Correct and correct
And actually, Congress can do whatever it wants, but it’s reasonable and constitutional in the case of MLB because of the antitrust exemption for MLB.
And Orza and Fehr have done their players an incredible disservice by attempting to shield the cheaters in their ranks at the expense of (many more) honest players. At the same time, they’ve done a piss-poor job of actually protecing the cheaters. How do these people keep their jobs?
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by cocknfire on Feb 18, 2009 9:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Congress can do whatever it wants"
But the prez can veto and the courts can rule unconstitutional, I guess I should have said. Neither will happen here — thus the “reasonable and constitutional” part.
Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.
by cocknfire on Feb 18, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Congress can only hold hearings
and then charge anyone who lies with perjury. It can also investigate etc but in no way could it legally force the Union to accept any changes. Baseball’s anti-trust exemption gives them political leverage but mainly against the owners. I am not at all sure the players union would care if the exemption were removed but in any case it does NOT give Congress any additional power to change the rules. They could also pass legislation mandating testing & criminal penalties in sports but I don’t exactly see that happening.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Feb 18, 2009 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
are you sure?
not saying you are wrong, as I am not 100% sure all the details about the anti-trust.
But in the case of illegal narcotics I would think they can stamp that rule into place and say too bad so sad. This is more the enforcing of laws of the US than imposing a new rule on MLB.
These players in many cases are here on a workers Visa, which should be revoked for illegal activities, just like the average Joe would have happen for lesser crimes. Tejada for example is here on a work Visa, lied to Congress under oath, and used illegal narcotics. How would the average person on a work Visa or American Citizen be treated?
again I am asking moreso than stating.
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by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 18, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a lawyer, so this is FWIW
But I don’t believe any contract can override law. So Congress could pass a law requiring testing and tougher penalties, and if baseball doesn’t accept it, MLB would lose its antitrust exemption. And, yes, that would be a huge deal to the union. No way they get these kinds of salaries in another baseball league — and if that league begins cutting into MLB’s profit, then the party is over for everyone.
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by cocknfire on Feb 18, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
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Exactly right.
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by Al on Feb 18, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not exactly right
Congress can pass a law requiring the testing period. They could do the same for football, basketball etc
( and I presume they would so as to make it fair) but it would have NOTHING to do with the Anti-Trust exemption.
The Anti-Trust exemption gives the Congress a great deal of leverage with baseball owners which frankly they have actually never used except with an empty threat here and there. The Anti-Trust does not give Congress any special powers over baseball other than the threat to remove it.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Feb 18, 2009 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
do you have a link to the exacts
on anti-trust for baseball? I have not seen one, and maybe that will help all of us to be on the same page. Not saying either is right or wrong, but it seems like we are all in a grey area about it.
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 18, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Anti-Trust in not baseball specific
What it does basically is protect a business from competition in some areas. The baseball exemption is kind of a freak going back to an old decision that baseball did NOT constitute interstate commerce. You will have to ask a real lawyer for statutes etc but in no way does it grant Congress special powers to legislate but again it is threat of taking the exemption AWAY that is always used as what has been up to this time and empty threat. Pretty much anytime members of Congress get mad at baseball for one thing or another( Directv exclusive package , moving a team etc) they threaten to strip baseball of its anti-trust exemption but they never do.
If you want to read up on Anti – Trust law & sports go here
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by Doggie Stalker on Feb 18, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i was saying the same
but you may have better worded it. thanks
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by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 18, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What is more surprising
1. the names of those who have been busted for it
2. the fact that Canseco was being honest
3. the names coming out wanting all the names revealed
4. the names who are asking for a stronger punishment
5. Peavy is still a Padre as ST starts
6. Manny has not been signed
This off season has been strange, no doubt, and it seems to continue to get more interesting as ST arrives
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by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 18, 2009 8:23 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Don't give Canseco too much credit
He was right that A-Rod used steroids, but his specific allegations have been denied by both A-Rod and the alleged dealer. Not that either is credible, but I don’t feel like giving Canseco any more credit than he’s due.
Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.
by cocknfire on Feb 18, 2009 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
It’s reasonable to assume that Canseco may have heard rumblings about A-Rod, but even if he didn’t, he wouldn’t look like a total nut to accuse one of the best players in a generation.
If he would have said, “I know that Corey Hart did steroids,” people would have 1) not cared and 2) thought Canseco was off his rocker.
by Cap'n Awesome on Feb 18, 2009 8:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
First off
I’m glad to hear Lee and Rameriz speak out about steriods- their collective performances over the past 5 years are looking better and better as players are outed. Good for them.
This rehashed negative press, on top of the recession, can not be a good thing for upcoming ticket sales. If Baseball doesn’t put this issue to rest, the game falls further into the same clouded arena as pro wrestling- as spectacle vs. sport.
Thanks Don Fehr, ARod, Roger, Jose, Barry, Sammy?, and the rest of the zheroes.
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue." - George F. Will
by Slakkr on Feb 18, 2009 8:30 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
is 2009 contract year for Dlee?
Either way i think he will rebound big time. No more DP lee. (she didn’t say that!)
by xene on Feb 18, 2009 8:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Al, your headline needs an asterisk
*except this one.
"Truth does not do as much good in the world as the semblance of truth does evil," - Duc de La Rochefoucauld, Maxims, 64.
by Emelie on Feb 18, 2009 8:35 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if the rest of you saw that A-Rod press conference
but I thought, to me .. and excuse my language. I thought — he was full of shit.
Tamia Lynn Davis:
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by Unique on Feb 18, 2009 8:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I didn't buy much of what he said either.
This shadowy “cousin” emerges and he and ARod, a professional baseball player already worth millions of dollars, are buying some mysterious over-the-counter drug in the Domincan Republic. They have no idea what it is or what it will do to said professional baseball player already worth millions of dollars.
But they huddle together like junkies in, presumably, hotel rooms and ARod’s residence and shoot it into his veins twice a month for three years – 36 times!!! But, again, they know nothing about this mysterious drug beyond its strange name (which ARod can barely pronounce), and ARod says it didn’t really do anything for him besides boost his energy level.
RRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrright!
Made for great theater, though.
"You've got to earn winning your division. We won more games than anybody in the National League last year, and we're going to have a target on our back, so we've got to be ready.'' - Lou Piniella, 2/17/09
by dat cubfan daver on Feb 18, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"I got these shrunken marbles, a bald spot, and weird
back acne. Awfully odd for injectable Red Bull…"
by N Oakley on Feb 18, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he's really Nuke LaLoosh
"Truth does not do as much good in the world as the semblance of truth does evil," - Duc de La Rochefoucauld, Maxims, 64.
by Emelie on Feb 18, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Baseball and A-Rod are slowly learning the same thing
that politicians never seem to learn very well. The slow news leak is the worst way to put bad news behind you. Stark’s column was on the money. There are just as many A-Rod questions now as before the news conference. A-Rod needs to come out with the whole truth and move on. Anyone want to bet that A-Rod will need to “clarify” something in the next couple of weeks when some discrepancy appears?
Selig and MLB need to do the same thing. Selig’s comments that he tried to clean it up in the 90’s is laughable. The whole list of players needs to come out. MLB needs to get this behind them but until the truth is out it will continue to drag out month after month. Bud also needs to go now. He has ruined any microscopic thread of integrity that he might have had left.
Drip, drip, drip.
by rlpete on Feb 18, 2009 8:46 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Do we have to continue the Peavy meme?
Things have been dead for weeks on that front. You might as well say it’s the Prior-free headlines, or the Brock-free headlines.
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by berselius on Feb 18, 2009 8:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
And, amazingly enough, it is!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Feb 18, 2009 8:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, 100%...
…Ernie Broglio and Don Young free.
by MN exile on Feb 18, 2009 9:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don, Don, Don, and Ernie




"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."
by flachimesa on Feb 18, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of minor league signings....
I see where Adam Kennedy signed one with the Devil Rays.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-rays-kennedy&prov=ap&type=lgns
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Feb 18, 2009 8:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
No "Devil" in them any more.
They’re just the Rays.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Feb 18, 2009 10:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They'll always be the Devil Rays to me.
Because that decision was just plain dumb.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Feb 18, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Brew Crew did the same with Eric Gagne.
"You've got to earn winning your division. We won more games than anybody in the National League last year, and we're going to have a target on our back, so we've got to be ready.'' - Lou Piniella, 2/17/09
by dat cubfan daver on Feb 18, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Watching AROD's presser showed precisely what is wrong
Living here among the USOC which has wrestled with this problem for decades and zero tolerance is the only path and still that will not stop athletes seeking to sneak an advantage. This is precisely what AROD admitted to when he said his cousin snuck into the US with this substance that had to be administered via a syringe, (which is unlawful w/o a doc’s prescription, we know our daughter is Type 1 Diabetic) and via a close personal confidant——this demonstrated that he and his accomplice knew they were wrong ethically and legally.
The thing is AROD was seeking an advantage which he was going to profit for it—-while others like DLee or Ramirez played it straight. The only solution is serious suspension that makes it a death sentence.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Feb 18, 2009 8:58 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
i heard the clips of that
on 670 the Score yeterday, and almost fell off my chair at work.
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by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 18, 2009 9:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Saw that on
Sports NIte. It was funny.
by sue369 on Feb 18, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe baseball should start listening to what Ozzie, Ramirez, Lee and others are saying and toughen up penalities
Will it happen? Hell no, because baseball is plagued with lying sack of crap for a Commissioner and a jaded SOB as head of the player union.
by BLou on Feb 18, 2009 9:10 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1
Check out what Marvin Miller said about drug testing. I don’t think drug testing is a “witch hunt”.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Feb 18, 2009 9:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Marvin Miller has been off his medications for years
This whole thing is a slap in the face to baseball fans is what it is. The arrogance, lying and denial is just incredible. Major league baseball is becoming a cesspool. I tell you one thing, if I were an owner of a ballclub then I’d take a stand against Bud Selig, Donald Fehr and these players. I’d say if you play for my team and get implicated on this steroid stuff then I’m going to cease cutting you a payroll check and if you don’t like it then take me to court and sue.
by BLou on Feb 18, 2009 9:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it will happen
Both sides win with more strict testing.
If the players union heeds the call of its high-profile members (Lee, Ortiz, etc.) and proposes more strict penalties, they come across as being proactive and caring about the game.
If Bud signs off on it, then he can say he finally got the testing and penalties he wanted since 1995 (which isn’t true, but he can say it).
In this time of crappy publicity for both sides, they can gain some positive headlines and show that baseball has the strictest penalties of the four major sports in America (even though they already do).
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Feb 18, 2009 9:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
At some point, the MLBPA's leaders have to listen to their members.
Too many times, I have seen the leadership of some unions take them down a path that has led them to destruction.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Feb 18, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
And if the higher-profile players push the issue, I think it’ll get done. When the first testing plans were being pushed, there were guys like Tom Glavine who used their pulpit to pressure the union into it.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Feb 18, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
I’ve always admired Marvin Miller for the job he did for the players when they really needed someone like him. But that was a very long time ago. His current stance shows the worst kind of tunnel vision.
by bluekoolaide on Feb 18, 2009 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that at some point
A line needs to be drawn and everybody says what happened before this time, happened, and what’s done is done. From this point forward, if you get caught, you’re going to get hammered. Because we’re never going to truly know who or how many players used. I’ve seen estimates all over the board, but the bottom line for that is this: If you DIDN’T use PED’s during that time, you were in a small minority. Everybody was using.
And in my opinion this is turning into a witch hunt. All the name calling, finger pointing, etc is getting tiresome and pathetic. Let me ask this: Why didn’t SI post all the names from that test? They had them right? They could have published all 104 players, the list is out, the fallout happens, and we’re done. Nope, they’re on a mission, they want to get a story, be the first to scoop it, so they pour over the list and find the 1 big name, and publish that. I’m not a journalist by trade, I’m a soldier, but to me that seems to be someone with an agenda.
At some point, the rules need to be seriously enforced. 50 games, a year, whatever. Start enforcing it across the board. Make the players understand your not kidding around. Make them realize that millions of dollars(the loss of said dollars anyway) and maybe the point will get across and we can move on. The past is in the past. Baseball needs to turn a new chapter, enforce the rules and move on.
by nmcubsfan on Feb 18, 2009 11:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know this was already posted a couple weeks ago
But I was wondering what the best time to get a wristband would be today between 12-6. This is my first year trying out the wristband and was hoping not to wait in the rain too much. Thanks.
by KButler on Feb 18, 2009 9:16 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Best guess is after 2
to avoid lunch folks but it tends to mover very well. Perhaps Al can get up an update later as many bleacher folks will be doing it today.
Also remember it does not matter which day you go down the numbers are totally random. I have my Mom & Sister going tomorrow.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Feb 18, 2009 9:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Usually...
… mid morning (10-11 am), midafternoon (2-3 pm), or evenings after 7:30 are the best times.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Feb 18, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not Peavy-free...
when you use his name in the Headline.
Admit it Al, you like typing his name. :^)
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Feb 18, 2009 9:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Jake was so upset...
…that he wasn’t included in your post Al, that he went out on an all night bender. He was quoted as saying, “F****n’ skanks… JABER BOMB!” Followed by something about his new haircut.

Now that I have your attention…
I’m glad Gagne is back, can’t wait to see the Cubs raise his ERA again this year.
Good riddance to everyone in paragraph 6.
And good luck to everyone getting tickets… I’m going to 3 OTHER cities this year to see the Cubs, only because it’s cheaper than going to Chicago… damn this economy. Plus they play in San Francisco on my birthday this year. Someone at scheduling really messed up. I’m going to write a letter.
by lswaidz on Feb 18, 2009 9:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Did someone say... "Jägerbomb"?
My new haircut. A classic.
I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on Feb 18, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Note of caution...
This video has some foul language in it. I forgot about that before I posted it. Stay clear if such things offend. Sorry gang.
I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on Feb 18, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha, never seen that one before. Highly amusing.
"You've got to earn winning your division. We won more games than anybody in the National League last year, and we're going to have a target on our back, so we've got to be ready.'' - Lou Piniella, 2/17/09
by dat cubfan daver on Feb 18, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on Feb 18, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One more headline: parenting tips from the Fontenots and Theriots
From Sullivan’s notebook:
Mike Fontenot and his girlfriend bought Ryan Theriot’s kids a trampoline for Christmas, much to the Theriots’ chagrin.
“It’s only like a foot off the ground,” Fontenot said. “They’ll only break their arms, not their necks, so he’s happy about it. He told me when I have kids, he’s going to get them steak knives.”
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Feb 18, 2009 10:03 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Mike is just mad he's not tall enough to get on it.
by lswaidz on Feb 18, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Mike bought it
with the full intention of using it himself.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Feb 18, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
I think he’ll enjoy it more than the kids will.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Feb 18, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just don't let Chad Gaudin near it.
He seems rather clumsy, and with all those Cajuns hanging around together, you never know what will happen.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Feb 18, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hide it during the annual Crawfish Boil
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 18, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm picturing...
Zambrano jumping on the trampoline, with LBR on his back.
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by digitalbenjamin on Feb 18, 2009 11:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL @ steak knives
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 18, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why do I see the Fontenot kids performing outside Wrigley as jugglers
talking about how their “Uncle Ryan” got them started as street performers when he gave them steak knives when they were 3?
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Feb 18, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You'd have to look down to "see the Fontenot kids peforming"
If their father is any indication
Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.
by cocknfire on Feb 18, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so the steak knives
would be shin cutters if you are not watching where you walk while entering WF?
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 18, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if the Cubs are able to close off some roads in the future
I could see a Buskers-like environment with some street performers. Though maybe no steak knives – perhaps some bowling pins.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Feb 18, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
bowling pins on fire?
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 18, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would guarantee something would be on fire
for the Fontenot Children Juggling Act. Mini-bats?
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Feb 18, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have heard that there are carnies in Fontenot's family history
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by digitalbenjamin on Feb 18, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you inferring his family tree looks like a
telephone pole?
by N Oakley on Feb 18, 2009 1:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Am I the only one who doesn't like seeing people skip the WBC?
I think the Classic is good for the game. I wonder if you hear whining from soccer fans about the World Cup (which is the only time I watch soccer), or basketball fans about the Olympics (which is the only time I watch basketball) or hockey fans about the Olympics (which is when I watch hockey the most, though I watch it in some other cases).
Baseball is the only major sport, aside from pro football (which almost no one else plays), that doesn’t have an international showcase. The Classic is different and fun — I enjoyed the games the last time. Let’s not forget that baseball is a game, folks, and entertainment. And I’d add that if the Cubs or any other team can’t win a championship because of an injury sustained during a glorified ST series, they’re probably not that good to begin with.
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by cocknfire on Feb 18, 2009 10:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
correct me if I am wrong
but neither the Olympics for Basketball or the World Cup for Soccer take place during pre season or their regural season, which WBC does for MLB. That seems to be the biggest downer IMO
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by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 18, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But hockey does
They extend their ASB for the Olympics, so it’s not unprecedented. There’s also not a “good time” to play baseball outside of the regular season and ST. You really want to risk injury, play baseball in December or January.
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by cocknfire on Feb 18, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
actually
they cancel the ASG to participate in the Olympics. They could do the WBC in Dec or Jan with the amount of domed stadiums such as Hou, Tampa, Arizona, Egg Dome, et al
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by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 18, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That wouldn't bother me, actually
I’m fine with it. I’m not sure the players would be, though. I think the idea is that the MLB players are already worn out by November and need a few months to recuperate.
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by cocknfire on Feb 18, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If they really wanted to make it international
They could play the WBC in November and in Japan. Most, if not all of the stadiums there are domed, eliminating foul weather.
The fans in Japan would probably sell out for the entire event, and it would help internationalize the event further. Plus, inroads could be made into more Asian markets – China and India.
I don’t think it would happen, but it’s a thought.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Feb 18, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and add
Australia, Central America, or South America to name a few places you could play that time of year. If the Winter League draws. imagine what would happen with the big names playing.
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 18, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Precisely.
On a rotating basis, the WBC could be very popular worldwide, maybe just not as popular in America, because of the timing of the event.
But playing the WBC in November in an of those places would help it grow internationally for sure.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Feb 18, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it is not as popular her
i believe because of the timing more than anything.
And if it were in Dec or Jan, it has NFL, NBA and NHL to compete with, and an exhibition baseball game vs. in season for those three is going to be a hard draw IMO. Hence taking it on tour over seas.
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 18, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
her = here
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 18, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There isn't a good time for it in America, you're right.
An overseas WBC makes more sense to me, because one of the goals of the event is to grow baseball in non-traditional markets (Italy, the Netherlands, South Africa, etc.).
Moving it to Australia or South Africa every once in a while, or China or Japan cannot hurt the event any more than playing it in March with no stars competing.
Plus, if it is moved, they could provide incentives for players to go (i.e. money) and promote the game.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Feb 18, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Everybody should skip the WBC
Then it will go away. I think there will be a major injury because of it this year, and that will be the beginning of the end.
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Feb 18, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, because no one ever gets injured in ST
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by cocknfire on Feb 18, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
or during the season
so if there is an injury during ST or Regular Season, or washing motor cycles, or getting out of a hit tub all of these should be skipped as well?
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 18, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well lets look at some elite pitchers after the 2006 WBC
Jake Peavy went 11-14 with a 4.09 ERA
Luis Ayala was coming off a season where he had a 2.66 ERA and he blew his elbow out in the WBC missing the whole season. Lucky it was a random name like this and not a bigger name.
Dontrelle Willis was coming off a great season with 22 wins and a 2.63 ERA, In 2006 he went 12-12 with a 3.87 ERA and that season was the beginning of his downfall.
Thats just 3 examples. The fact that one guy blew his elbow up because he was pitching full tilt earlier than he was supposed to means it could happen again. This event is an invented mockery that benefits nobody, and can lead to disaster.
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Feb 18, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So the trouble Dontrelle Willis had in 2007 and 2008
Was also due to the WBC, right?
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by cocknfire on Feb 18, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, why isn't baseball itself "an invented mockery that benefits nobody"?
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by cocknfire on Feb 18, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because the baseball regular season means something
the WBC means nothing. It was created because the world decided they no longer wanted to see it played outside of MLB.
Based on all the players who have said they won’t play this year, I’m guessing they all feel the same way.
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Feb 18, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Means what, exactly?
Not to get too esoteric here, but the fate of human civilization hardly depends on who wins the World Series. When you’re talking about the difference in meaning between the MLB regular season and the World Baseball Classic — if you take it from a universal look (instead of a baseball-specific one), you’re talking about an almost microscopic difference.
The problem with baseball outside of MLB prior to the WBC is that NO professional players took part in the Olympics. The Classic changed that to a large extent — several pro players took part in it, just like several will this year. All of them won’t, just like not all basketball or hockey players don’t all take part in the Olympics.
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by cocknfire on Feb 18, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In terms of baseball
winning the WBC means zero.
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Feb 18, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the winner should get homefield advantage for the next WBC...
right Bud?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Feb 18, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Same thing with the World Series
its first year or three.
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by JohnM on Feb 19, 2009 5:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that the WBC needs more time
Comparing the WBC to the Olympics is a little unfair. First it’s the OLYMPICS. It’s a national thing, everybody gets up for that. Plus it’s been going on for over a 100 years now. It’s had time to have drama, and build up rivalries, USA vs USSR, China vs USA, etc.
The WBC needs time to build the drama and build some rivalries of their own. Then it’ll take off and then you’ll see players wanting to play, just like in basketball and hockey.
by nmcubsfan on Feb 18, 2009 11:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
D Lee...
Hit how many Homers in 05’? He should cast too many stones….just sayin
by Bud Man Cub Fan on Feb 18, 2009 12:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
wanna edit that again?
"You've got to earn winning your division. We won more games than anybody in the National League last year, and we're going to have a target on our back, so we've got to be ready.'' - Lou Piniella, 2/17/09
by dat cubfan daver on Feb 18, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no I doan wanna, now do u wanna?
"You've got to earn winning your division. We won more games than anybody in the National League last year, and we're going to have a target on our back, so we've got to be ready.'' - Lou Piniella, 2/17/09
by dat cubfan daver on Feb 18, 2009 3:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
EDIT FAIL!
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by digitalbenjamin on Feb 18, 2009 1:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just got back from Wrigley Field - got my wristband
Same setup as last year – enter/exit at Gate K on Waveland (across from fire station). Had to wait maybe a minute in line and then went into the little room where they take down all your info. Drivers license and credit card will get you a wristband and a ticket order form. Had some pocket schedules on a table on your way out along with a free VineLine with Spellcheck on the cover.
I wore my Indians hat just to see if anyone would notice. I was all set to say “Silent protest. Wood, DeRosa.” if anyone asked but nobody said a word. Either they were so intent on doing their job or just bored to the point of indifference. Bummer. Oh well, the best laid plans of mice and men oft go awry…
Not much going on around Wrigley. Looks like some work was done just inside bleacher entrance and of course there’s a bunch of touchup/cleanup efforts going on around various seating areas. Probably biggest change is over by the Harry Caray statue where the outside patio is. It’s all dug up and they’ve got a trench going near the gift shop entrance. I think I read somewhere where there’s going to be a new and improved outdoor seating area for the Sheffield Grill. Maybe it’ll be open on non-game days?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Feb 18, 2009 1:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If you speak of a silent protest
Does that mean you acquiesce?
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Feb 18, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Holy oxymoron, Batman - Shanghai's on to us!
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Feb 18, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they were actually...
…participating in your silent protest.
(Do you see what I did there?)
"You've got to earn winning your division. We won more games than anybody in the National League last year, and we're going to have a target on our back, so we've got to be ready.'' - Lou Piniella, 2/17/09
by dat cubfan daver on Feb 18, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You might be on to something there...
I did notice a few of them were wearing their Cubs jackets upside down… ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Feb 18, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
good luck on that wrist band
gotta let us know where you were at in line, that is when the carnage subsides.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Feb 18, 2009 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How many wristbands do they issue?
I have number 00018 so I’m wondering what the last number issued is since I’m so close to zero.
by chipwood23 on Feb 18, 2009 4:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
They usually print 20,000
but have never to my knowledge used them all. Usually about 12-15 thousand are given out. THEY GIVE THE NUMBERS OUT RANDOMLY so getting 00018 means nothing one way or the other. My minion has picked up one in the 12,000 range. Remember it goes forward after winning number is picked so if they pick 00025 you are screwed but if they pick 19,855 you are in REALLY good shape.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Feb 18, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I suspect it's way less than that this year.
I got 18,670. My guess is that less than half of them will be given out this year.
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by Al on Feb 18, 2009 7:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
With ARam.
That's shitastic!
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Feb 18, 2009 8:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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