Additions and Subtractions to 2009 team (help me)

by JoeCoolMan24 on Feb 18, 2009 11:14 AM CST Comment 74 comments

I am a Sox fan writing a story for my newspaper. I would like to list 6 incoming, and outgoing players from the Cubs. There are more than 6 I believe, but the majors ones (ie. ones impacting the 09 team). Bradley, Miles, Gregg, come to mind for me. Marquis, Hill, Pie, Ceda (top prospect), from the other side of things.

Anyway, help would be much appreciated without having to search multiple sites.

Or, in fact, just give me all the notable players, I will use the top6 for profiles, and just list the other ones down below.

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Aaron Heilman is an addition

Henry Blanco is a subtraction

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by Trey2317 on Feb 18, 2009 11:18 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Yep...

…and Cedeno and Olson (who never actually played for the Cubs) were subtractions in the Heilman deal.

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by dat cubfan daver on Feb 18, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm gonna say Heilman is a subtraction by addition...

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by dtpollitt on Feb 18, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Not necessarily

if he pitches like he did last year, then no doubt, you are right. But his previous 3 seasons were all really respectable, if he can get back to that form, then Heilman will be pretty solid

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by MJMars on Feb 18, 2009 5:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Lost DeRosa and Wood

Added Gathright, Paul Bako

by sparky39762 on Feb 18, 2009 11:22 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

WHY ARE WE HELPING HIM???!!!!!!

Kidding. If you go to the new MLB Network’s website they might have something. On their bottom ticker on the channel they have who’s in and who’s out for teams. I’d imagine they’d have something on there.

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by Bricks and Ivy on Feb 18, 2009 11:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Aaron Miles was an addition

but he is likely to subtract from the quality of the team…

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by MJMars on Feb 18, 2009 11:26 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

same for Visciano?

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by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 18, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Better than Fontenot I bet.

My president is white.

by JoeCoolMan24 on Feb 18, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Unlikely.

Fontenot is a plus defender who put up great numbers vs. RHP last season.

by dat cubfan daver on Feb 18, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No doubt Fontenot is better

more power, more patient. + defender. PECOTA likes him much more too. Miles just had a career year and barely was league average, whereas Fontenot could very well put up an 800 OPS

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by MJMars on Feb 18, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No

Fonte was on pace for about 25 homers last year. It will likely go down if he plays everyday but I still think he could hit 20.

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Feb 18, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Rich Harden for a full year:

Addition.

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by dtpollitt on Feb 18, 2009 11:32 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Are you really counting on that?

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by MJMars on Feb 18, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

by roster spot only

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by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 18, 2009 1:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well...

…I’m hoping for it. Of course, a “full year” of Rich Harden will still probably be only 20 to 25 starts. But I’ll take it.

by dat cubfan daver on Feb 18, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm counting on more Harden than I am Bradley, yes.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Feb 18, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Some Changes

Gone
R Hill
R Cedeno
K Wood
J Marquis
J Lieber
J Edmonds
H Blanco
F Pie
D Ward
B Howry

Added
Kevin Gregg
Aaron Heilman
Jeff Stevens
Luis Vizcaino
Paul Bako
Aaron Miles
Milton Bradley
Joey Gathright
Brad Snyder

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 18, 2009 11:32 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Thanks, very much.

My president is white.

by JoeCoolMan24 on Feb 18, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

you forgot

mark derosa on the gone list.

There's nothing wrong with this team that more pitching, more fielding and more hitting couldn't help......"--Bill Buckner

by laidbackliam on Feb 18, 2009 12:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

the most painful of them all.

My president is white.

by JoeCoolMan24 on Feb 18, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

hence the word "SOME"

as I had glanced quick and saw DeRo mentioned above.

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by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 18, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

So what does this come out to using the Phil Rogers scale?

I count it as a “Rogers +1”.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 18, 2009 5:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If Rogers busts out that ridiculous scale again...

…I swear I’m going to walk over to the Tribune building and laugh in his face.

by dat cubfan daver on Feb 19, 2009 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Today, he broke out the move Sori to second suggestion!

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Feb 19, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Seriously?

by dat cubfan daver on Feb 19, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It was part of a "Cubs should get Manny" column

and he admitted it was unlikely, but, yeah.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Feb 19, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That's actually Paul Sullivan...

…but the point remains the same. These guys get paid money to come up with these pie-in-the-sky ideas that would get any of us flamed beyond recognition. Of course, they have the advantage of actually getting players to give them quotes on their insane ramblings.

by dat cubfan daver on Feb 19, 2009 11:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I remember there was a post here...

… suggesting the Soriano-to-2B idea, which was quickly shot down by anyone reasonable here; we all know Soriano was a bad 2B when he was a regular there. Asking him to move back there almost 4 years after he last regularly played the position would be idiocy.

Not to mention the idea of signing Manny to a way-over-market contract. I don’t see teams falling all over themselves to sign him, and spring training has already begun.

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by Al on Feb 19, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It almost seems like...

…Sullivan was under orders from his editor to write a “Manny to the Cubs” story and that was what he came up with. If that’s the case, I’ll cut him some slack and say he did the best he could – at least he didn’t suggest the Cubs could trade Soriano.

by dat cubfan daver on Feb 19, 2009 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Whoops!

I guess I’m qualified to cover baseball for the Trib!

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Feb 19, 2009 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

This is much easier

if you know about ESPN’s Hot Stove:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove08/index

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by dtpollitt on Feb 18, 2009 12:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Speaking of that

I noticed Orlando Hudson is available. I doubt they’ll sign him but he wouldn’t be a bad starting 2B. I trust Fonte though.

"Check the magic of a winning season and there are always reasons beyond the talent." Ned Colleti

by wrigleyrocker12 on Feb 18, 2009 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Not to stir the pot, but

I’m surprised that you got so many responses, given what appears to be a racist signature line.

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by Shanghai Badger on Feb 18, 2009 12:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

+1

That signature line needs to go. Either lose it or move to the white supremacist website. If your president is white, you are living in the wrong country.

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"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Feb 18, 2009 12:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 18, 2009 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't see it as racist.

I see it as a counter to everyone who is saying “my president is black.” The statement in his signature is as true as the one I just mentioned.

by kanderber on Feb 18, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Even if that's true

and I did say “appears” — I’ve learned that if something even has the appearance of impropriety, even if not the intent, it’s usually best to avoid it.

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by Shanghai Badger on Feb 18, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

did someone say "well read"?

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by ballhawk on Feb 18, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Bullshit, it's racist. Make your political statements on your own time. I come here to

discuss Cubs baseball and related topics. I don’t care to be exposed to political ramblings. If you want to express your political views, go to a site where others espouse to your garbage. I don’t want to see it.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Feb 18, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe he lives in Canada?

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by MJMars on Feb 18, 2009 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

exactly.

You can call Obama white, just as much as you can call him black. He is 50/50. If I was racist I would not have voted for him in the first place.

by JoeCoolMan24 on Feb 19, 2009 12:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Wow, didn't even notice that.

In a word, idiotic.

by dat cubfan daver on Feb 18, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

or if you prefer CBS...

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/teams/page/CHC

all the Cubs players on one convenient page.

by miker1179 on Feb 18, 2009 12:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

hey

joe cool man dont you post on the 2ksports fourms?

by Kchance on Feb 18, 2009 12:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I used to, this is Kbomber, is it?

by JoeCoolMan24 on Feb 19, 2009 12:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I wreckommend (the anti-recommend) this post...

for the dude’s signature.

Free Ronny Cedeno

by Kansas25 on Feb 18, 2009 1:26 PM CST reply actions 1 recs

Maybe

He’s Canadian, or French, and his president really IS white. If those places currently have white Presidents, that is.

by JodyDavis on Feb 18, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe he believes

Richard Daley is President

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 18, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You can try this...

http://cubbienation.net/blogs/nftfo/archive/2009/02/13/let-the-new-season-begin.aspx.

And given that Obama is as white as he is black, I’m personally going to let the signature pass.

by Damen Jackson on Feb 18, 2009 1:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

The funniest thing about your link.......

Is that the picture has none other then the Red Unicron himself…Matt Murton doing some drills! Gotta love irresponsible stock photo selections.

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by BLW Believes Esq. on Feb 18, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

HA!

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 18, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well,

I’ll pluck some shots from this camp as Spring Training gets further along.

by Damen Jackson on Feb 18, 2009 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Unicron?

I guess he could swallow all our opponents whole

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by berselius on Feb 18, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

JoeCoolMan24--Racist??

Please explain your signature line. Otherwise, change it. Immediately.

Whether you think you can or whether you think you can't, you're right.
Henry Ford

by BLW Believes Esq. on Feb 18, 2009 6:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I deleted his signature, because...

… it’s political. No political talk here, and especially not that.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 18, 2009 7:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

How is that racist?

By your logic, wouldn’t calling him black be racist as well? Would calling Derek Jeter white be racist? Would calling Tiger Woods ti (or however you say it) racist?

by JoeCoolMan24 on Feb 19, 2009 12:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Here's the point.

Political speech is not allowed on this site. Therefore, I removed your signature.

Let’s stop this discussion right now. If you want to make a political statement, make it somewhere else.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 19, 2009 9:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You cubs fans sure are uptight.

Must be that whole world series thing.

by JoeCoolMan24 on Feb 19, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You really don't get it, do you?

Political speech has been banned here from day one. I’ll repeat, just so it’s clear:

If you want to make a political statement, do it somewhere else. Has nothing to do with a “world series” or anything else. It’s simply the rules here.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 19, 2009 4:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

whaddya expect Al?

The guy wants a list of player additions and subtractions for the Cubs. He could have gone to mlb.com, espn.com, foxsports.com, cbssports.com, or I don’t know… maybe cubs.com??? Heck, he could have just stayed on his own team’s site and asked noted Cub expert DrCrawdad. ;-)

But no, he comes here and expects us to do his work for him. And then after we oblige, he calls us uptight. Well, it’s clear he has a future as a sportswriter in this town. Can’t wait…

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Feb 19, 2009 6:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Way to try and make me look bad

I didn’t call you uptight after giving me help. I said “Thanks” after someone gave me help, and I only said you guys were uptight when I everyone was having a heart attack because I was somehow making a political statement by calling Obama white (in my signature nonetheless)….. THAT would be uptight. And calling me racist for it is absolutely ridiculous.

my ********* is white

by JoeCoolMan24 on Feb 19, 2009 11:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Fair enough - I hereby apologize for and retract the "we oblige, he calls us uptight" statement.

You’re right – there was no direct cause and effect connection with those two actions.

Now if you’re still in an explaining mood…

Can you satisfy my curiosity as to why you reached out to BCB for what appears to be a very simple piece of information that you could have easily obtained on your own in a few minutes from any one of several well-known sports sites? I understand why a newbie might have posted something like that here, but you’re obviously a baseball fan and I would assume reasonably familiar with the Internet.

And given your task at hand (writing an article for your newspaper), I would also assume that you’re familiar with the concept of doing research for whatever you’re writing on. Posting a question as you did here doesn’t strike me as “doing research”, at least not at the journalist/writer level. It just struck me as an odd disconnect.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Feb 20, 2009 12:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ok

I asked it here because for the format I am writing, I only have room for the top 6 players coming and going. I know the Cubs were very busy in this offseason and had at least 8-9 it seemed going each way. I know Cubs fans know more about the worth of their leaving player than I would, and a spreadsheet of names would not tell me if they are valuled to a Cubs fan, but hearing a list of the best would.

my ********* is white

by JoeCoolMan24 on Feb 20, 2009 6:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I have removed your signature AGAIN.

You obviously put it back there simply to provoke.

I notice that you were once banned from South Side Sox. Not sure why you want to provoke here by deliberately going against site policy.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 20, 2009 9:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

How is ******* at all going against site policy?

I starred it out so I won’t have to hear anyone say anything about being political. So it isn’t.

And what does me being banned from SSS 3 years ago have anything to do with this site?

by JoeCoolMan24 on Feb 20, 2009 9:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Clearly, you wanted to make the same statement you made before, only hide its intent.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 20, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I wanted to make it so I wouldn't be "violating" rules

And now it is not. There is no way anyone can read that and someone find a political connotation in it.

And deleting my sig. is bullshit unless SBNation can change it to allow site to site basis. My other, many sites do no have these “political” rules that apply here.

by JoeCoolMan24 on Feb 20, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

you do not have to agree

but Al is the top dog here, and if he says no political talk, no offensive signatures, then all of us have two choices, go along with it, or leave it.

your signature, emaning to be or not, could have offended people, and it was best to not return with the * IMHO.

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 20, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I can't seem to figure out how it is in any way offensive

But my only issue now is that when he deletes my sig., it deletes it from all the SBNation sites I post on, and that needs to be changed by SBNation, honestly. Either that or he just doesn’t delete my sig. again. It’s not like I am a regular member here, or ever will be. I doubt if I even have any other fanposts our comments outside of this one.

by JoeCoolMan24 on Feb 20, 2009 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I gather from your Fanpost's first sentence...

…that you’re a college student? High school? In any case, if you study hard, maybe by the time you graduate you’ll figure out just how and why some people might find a line like that offensive. Good luck.

by dat cubfan daver on Feb 20, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He does have one point, however.

Some SBN sites don’t ban political speech. This one does. However, he’s right that if I delete a signature, that becomes SBN-wide, since everyone has one user name for all the SBN sites.

I have asked for some clarification on this.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 20, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I actually mentioned it to people I work with

And none of them understood how it could be offensive. He is white and he is black. Unless maybe the word “white” might be offensive instead of using caucasian.

by JoeCoolMan24 on Feb 20, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs