It's Official: Rich Hill To Orioles For PTBNL

Jeez, do you think the O's would take me?

I once threw a no-hitter in Wii baseball.

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by Mordecai on Feb 2, 2009 10:39 AM CST reply actions

Wii baseball?

Psh. I threw a perfect game in MVP 05. Twice

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by Musicdude10 on Feb 2, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions

You'd probably beat Rich Hill at Wii.

Or MVP 05.

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by Al Yellon on Feb 2, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions

Oh Yeah

In 1992 , as a sophmore at Taft High School I threw a no htter in High School (Taft vs. Austin High)

does Al Bundy Trophy Pose

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by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 2, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions

I was undefeated

in Little League (10-0) in 1967. Might be a little old now but I could be a pitching coach.

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by tucsoncubsfan on Feb 2, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions

I played Wii baseball for the first time...

…around New Year’s with my 11-year-old nephew. My arm was killing me for a day or so afterward because I insisted on doing the full windup and throw.

We are a fever ... we are a fever ... we ain't born typical.

by daver on Feb 2, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions

You gotta do your stretches

And don’t forget the “warm down” after.

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by JohnM on Feb 2, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions

and dont forget

the towel sessions

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by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 2, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions

My arm hurt me

for a couple of days after playing the bowling game.

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by tucsoncubsfan on Feb 2, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions

When they make these PTBNL deals...

I assume it’s from an agreed upon set of potential players. Anyone have an idea of who might be in that group?

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by digitalbenjamin on Feb 2, 2009 10:42 AM CST reply actions

A used infield rake and a two year supply of sunflower seeds

by BLou on Feb 2, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions

And

how do they decide which in the group it would be under what circumastances?

I never truly get how PTBNL is better from one team or another, to know the players and what not would be nice.

What to do, with Larry Hughe?

by Rudey on Feb 2, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions

Player to be Named Later

http://sonsofsamhorn.net/wiki/index.php/MLB_Rules_and_Procedures#Player_to_be_Named_Later

In many trades, one or both of the teams may agree to send “a player to be named later”. A specific player must be agreed upon within six months of the initial trade; if this does not occur, the two teams may agree upon a cash amount to be sent instead. Often, the teams will agree to a list of players who can be used as the PTBNL; such an agreement would happen before the trade has been announced, and once the trade is final, the team receiving the PTBNL may take any of the players from the list within six months.

If a team receives a PTBNL, the player must not have been playing in the league to which he is being sent at the time of the trade (e.g. if the Red Sox receive a PTBNL, the player may not have been playing in the American League at the time of the trade). This rule was instituted after Harry Chiti was traded for himself in 1962 (he was traded from the Indians to the Mets for a PTBNL, which turned out to be himself). As a result, PTBNL’s are usually minor leaguers. Sometimes, teams will use players on the disabled list as players to be named so as to avoid having to get special permission from the commissioner’s office.

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by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 2, 2009 1:16 PM CST up reply actions

The key words in that post are...

… “may agree”, and “often”.

It doesn’t happen all the time. Sometimes, teams agree in advance on a list. Other times, it’s not decided till later. It’s up to the teams.

FWIW, the Chiti story is a myth. Chiti was sold from the Indians to the Mets, and then sold back a month later. There was no PTBNL involved.

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by Al Yellon on Feb 2, 2009 2:20 PM CST up reply actions

Also, I Thought The Time Limit...

… was 90 days, not 6 months…

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by initram on Feb 2, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions

There was some spec

That the PTBNL would depend on Rich Hill’s performance (well, if rich makes the roster would be the first step).

I’d look for the Cubs to be targeting some low level arm that flashes some raw ability. There’s a whole host of possibilities so if I have time, I’ll try to run through them later, but that seems the Cubs MO on trades (looking for some raw arms).

by toonsterwu on Feb 2, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions

fallen so far in a couple years

How so many of us thought he was a shoe-in for the ‘07 rotation after the team’s disastrous ’06 season. Now look.

Wonder what he and Pie would have returned 2 off-seasons ago.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Feb 2, 2009 10:44 AM CST reply actions

Or even ONE off-season ago.

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by Al Yellon on Feb 2, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions

history is easy to

pick apart, but no one has a crystal ball

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by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 2, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions

unless you're in a Doritos commercial...

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by digitalbenjamin on Feb 2, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions

Won't stop the complainers

Hendry should have traded Rich Hill when his value was highest blah blah blah

/rabble

by dr stabbingworth on Feb 2, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions

And two years ago

they were saying Hendry should not trade this kid, he will be a great pitcher, he is a top prospect.

Wow, sounds like Vitters this off season. Lets hope he can produce and move up otherwise we will be having this same conversation all over again

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by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 2, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions

Heck, Vitters hasn't even proven

he can hit at AA. Hill dominated the minors and showed flashes in the majors before 2007. In the second half of 2007, he looked like he was a long term solution in the rotation.

by N Oakley on Feb 2, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions

How about Rich Hill sounds like Dontrelle Willis

only we aren’t stuck with him because we gave him a big contract? This sort of thing happens to veterans and young players. Rich’s problem is a little more unusual, but it’s really hard to be effective at this level of baseball for one season, let alone several season.

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by DGU on Feb 2, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions

Yup...

I was all for giving Pie and Hill a chance a couple years ago. But if they – along with another kid or two – would return a player that really made a difference, I would still have gone for it.

I was the same way with B.Hill & Choi and I’ll be the same way again for Vitters.

The only move Hendry has made the last few seasons of dumping kids for a veteran that sucked from day #1 was the Pierre trade.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Feb 2, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions

Nobody could have predicted Hill's meteroic crash

by BLou on Feb 2, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions

Alex Rodriguez? Cole Hamels? Dustin Pedroia?

Kidding.

But seriously, if I am rooting for any player / player(s) not on the Cubs next season it would definitely be Rich Hill and Felix Pie. I wish them luck and I hope they find success. Sure I’d be a little disappointed but a change of scenery was necessary.

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by EJThunder on Feb 2, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions

What a weird off-season

C-Ya Rich. Wish you the best.

by TheHawkRules on Feb 2, 2009 10:44 AM CST reply actions

So - who gets the open roster spot?

A four corners guy? Another middle IF option? Or no candidate for the 25-man?

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by DGU on Feb 2, 2009 10:56 AM CST reply actions

Just because it hasn't been mentioned...

There will be a cage match between Roberts and Peavy, with the survivor securing the spot on the 40 man.

by N Oakley on Feb 2, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions

I would think it has to be someone who can backup 3B

Maybe Aurilia or someone that hasn’t been mentioned.

by Tate491 on Feb 2, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions

Question about the 25-man roster:

Has Hendry indicated whether the Cubs will carry 11 pitchers or 12?

We are a fever ... we are a fever ... we ain't born typical.

by daver on Feb 2, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions

He said "you gotta have 12"

I think it was in Shanghai Badger’s convention report.

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by JohnM on Feb 2, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions

Ah, OK. Thought so. Thanks. Haven't read that one yet.

We are a fever ... we are a fever ... we ain't born typical.

by daver on Feb 2, 2009 11:25 AM CST up reply actions

Need 'em

Got to have ’em.

Doesn’t matter if they ever pitch or not . . . .

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by Shanghai Badger on Feb 2, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions

Ridiculous.

I’d rather they drop a pitcher (package Vizcainio and Wuertz?) and pick up Aurilla or Cintron or someone who can back up 3B and SS.

We are a fever ... we are a fever ... we ain't born typical.

by daver on Feb 2, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions

I would have probed this further

But after you read my post, you’ll see why I didn’t . . .

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by Shanghai Badger on Feb 2, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions

Just read it and left a comment.

Yeah, Jimbo was in a surly mood alright. And I know this “12 pitchers” thing has been a sticking point with many Cubs fans for a while now, so maybe he’s taken some guff about it (and deservedly so) before.

We are a fever ... we are a fever ... we ain't born typical.

by daver on Feb 2, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions

I see no openings on the 25-man...

…unless one of those “mandatory” 12 pitchers is dropped. See my post here.

We are a fever ... we are a fever ... we ain't born typical.

by daver on Feb 2, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions

Maybe...

Terry Shumpert? Bring him back to back up Rami?

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by Fishbone2 on Feb 2, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions

Well, I'm glad to see he'll get a shot somewhere...

…because Lou probably would’ve put one of his grandkids on the mound before Rich Hill. And I don’t mean that as a slight to Lou – Rich has completely lost the plot and shown no signs of finding it.

To be honest, I’m relieved: Succeed or fail, he’s Baltimore’s problem now. Assuming he does make it back to the bigs, however, he’’ll have to deal with the AL East – a much tougher division.

We are a fever ... we are a fever ... we ain't born typical.

by daver on Feb 2, 2009 11:08 AM CST reply actions

Agreed

I think Rich is a decent guy, but this is probably best for all involved.

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by Shanghai Badger on Feb 2, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions

Baltimore is where Cubs go to die

sammy sosa
corey patteron
felix pie
rich hill

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by drodd on Feb 2, 2009 11:10 AM CST reply actions

don't forget about...

… Freddie Bynum

by dmlichte on Feb 2, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions

Also

Rocky Cherry, Luis Montanez and Jason Dubious, Jason was realeased and is back.

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by Grockcubs on Feb 2, 2009 3:48 PM CST up reply actions

Jason Dubious.

Exactly.

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by Al Yellon on Feb 2, 2009 4:56 PM CST up reply actions

And

Scott Moore

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by JohnM on Feb 3, 2009 3:28 AM CST up reply actions

I'm tellin' ya...it's crazy.

We are a fever ... we are a fever ... we ain't born typical.

by daver on Feb 2, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions

I have a question

Do the Orioles have to keep him on the 25 man roster? Or do the Orioles have options?

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by wild bill on Feb 2, 2009 11:16 AM CST reply actions

Rich has burned his options; or rather the Cubs burned Rich's options.

If Rich can’t get it together, then Baltimore will have to try and slip him through waivers, where he could be claimed by someone else.

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by DGU on Feb 2, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions

They Can Attempt To Send Him Down To The Minors...

… but he would have to clear waivers first. Something the Cubs didn’t want to do, cuz they knew that someone would claim him.

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by initram on Feb 2, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions

That would have been a bad thing?

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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Feb 2, 2009 6:56 PM CST up reply actions

Rich Hill?

Ball….ball….ball….ball

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by krummy12 on Feb 2, 2009 11:41 AM CST reply actions

poor mechanics...

That dude pitches uphill both physically and mentally…just look at that picture! He’s fighting himself all the way to the plate. It was only a matter of time until his mechanics killed him. He’s a big curve high fastball type of pitcher. With those mechanics he’ll never really be able to consistently be low in the zone with his fastball. Also, he’s a huge sallynanny…

by Lows05 on Feb 2, 2009 11:42 AM CST reply actions

Y'know, that's a good point.

I always thought his windup was a little awkward and “pitching uphill” is a good (and rather appropos) way of putting it.

We are a fever ... we are a fever ... we ain't born typical.

by daver on Feb 2, 2009 11:44 AM CST up reply actions

Isn't the great Rothchild suppose to fix mechanics?

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by Clutche on Feb 2, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions

eh...

he can only do so much…You have to be able to deal with the adversity and discomfort of new mechanics…it’s never easy or a quick fix. I don’t think ol’ Rich had the ability to do that…

by Lows05 on Feb 3, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions

when will

“The Cub Can of Worms: Rich Hill” debut?

by cubsmania on Feb 2, 2009 11:54 AM CST reply actions

Rich Hill helped us get to the post-season two years ago

and did not hold the 2008 team back, so I’m not sure why he deserves that infamy.

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by DGU on Feb 2, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions

All at an economically friendly contract.

by N Oakley on Feb 2, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions

Well, he certainly doesn't deserve to be hated...

…but he was, ultimately, a pretty big disappointment for many of us.

We are a fever ... we are a fever ... we ain't born typical.

by daver on Feb 2, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions

I have not hate for rich hill

just a big dissapointment from what the cubs thought he was going to be……..Just another big name prospect that hasn’t panned out. Thats why we shouldn’t always be opposed to trading our top prospects….we could have gotten a lot for rich hill just a year ago.

by cubsmania on Feb 2, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions

Oh yeah

He’s a big disappointment, but I’ll prefer to remember the good year he gave us.

The funny thing is – I don’t remember him in Roberts trade rumors so much as Bedard ones, and I think we’d have been nearly as disappointed had we gotten Bedard. Oh well.

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by DGU on Feb 2, 2009 1:50 PM CST up reply actions

Its a shame Rich flamed out

I hope he can find some sort of success in Baltimore, but looking at those AL East lineups I don’t think he will.

Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.

by nji232 on Feb 2, 2009 12:05 PM CST reply actions

Fare thee well, Richard.

You will always be a friend of the [cubs].

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by EJThunder on Feb 2, 2009 12:06 PM CST reply actions

I heard a rumor of Weurtz to the A's

So maybe another deal is coming.

by Sam Householder on Feb 2, 2009 12:32 PM CST reply actions

Yes, it'd be nice if Bruce came on and gave us more info

I believe you are referring to Levine’s report. It makes sense – we’re overloaded with righty arms and Wuertz has had control issues the last two years, along with the fact that we might get some savings in the move.

by toonsterwu on Feb 2, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions

well

Richie Robnett and Justin Sellers for Wuertz. okay.

by toonsterwu on Feb 2, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions

What are your thoughts on these two?

by dr stabbingworth on Feb 2, 2009 12:41 PM CST up reply actions

Posted it in the Wuertz thread, but real quick

Neither guy has huge value. Of the two, Sellers intrigues me more in terms of his fit for the organization. He is, by most accounts, a plus shortstop defensively. He has some offensive tools but hasn’t put together much. He does overswing at times.

A year ago, I would’ve had huge intrigue in Robnett. Big time toolsy guy. But he just hasn’t put it together, and in many ways, is similar to a guy we picked up in Brad Snyder.

Robnett is the guy that’ll get attention, but Sellers might prove more useful. I think, as of now, there’s a chance both start in AAA. Let me add, though, the betting money is that neither becomes much.

by toonsterwu on Feb 2, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions