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Player to be Named Later

There has been a lot of talk over the years at Bleed Cubbie Blue about our favorite Cubs trades for a PTBNL.  According the very reliable Wikipedia there have been some decent PTBNL guys:  Jeremy Bonderman, Scott Podsednik, Coco Crisp, Moisés Alou, Jason Schmidt, and David Ortiz.

I am not saying that the Cubs are going to be getting a David Ortiz for Rich Hill. I am just saying that you never really know how any trade turns out for a couple of years down the road.

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1987 - Dickie Noles

In 1987, Dickie Noles was traded from the Cubs to the Tigers for a player to be named later. About a month after that, Noles turned out to be the player to be named later going back to the Cubs, so Noles was essentially traded for himself.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Feb 2, 2009 2:31 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

maybe...

with Wuertz going to the A’s and Hill to the O’s, Hendry is trying to complete the formula for THE PEAVY. It’s probably a long shot but who knows these days.

by txcubfan85 on Feb 2, 2009 2:49 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

The dream

That refuses to die………….

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 2, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We have run out of teams that can be referred to by one letter to trade with.

We also made a deal with the M’s. But that’s it.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 2, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

is the formula MOA or OMA or OAM, or AMO?

Of course there are other letters the Cubs could deal with but how did the Indians get in there?

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Feb 3, 2009 9:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They were in the pre-letter era.

You know, 2008.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 3, 2009 9:14 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hill for Hill

I kinda wondered if we might not end up getting Hill back as the PTBNL. He provokes curiosity. If he can take a breather and come into O’s camp with some control, then they got a bargain. If not, why not just send him back to us.

"I'm petrified of nipple chafing. Once it starts, it's a vicious circle." Andy Bernard

by TXCub on Feb 2, 2009 3:14 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

If not, they probably release him.

The Cubs wouldn’t take him back under those conditions.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 2, 2009 3:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Prediction:

Hill doesn’t make the O’s, is released, we get “cash considerations” as the PTBNL to complete the trade.

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

by carmen_fanzone on Feb 2, 2009 4:26 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

That sounds pretty close to reality to me.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 2, 2009 4:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Player to be named later?

I thought they all had names before they started playing in the bigs. is this like in Madden “OF # 25”

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 2, 2009 6:07 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I still don't really understand the PTBNL rule

Is there a formula to determine who or how much cash is received? In this age of baseball, a gentlemens agreement seems risky to me. Someone smarter than me needs to make me learned.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Feb 2, 2009 7:39 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

The basic rules:

1. The trade must be completed within six months.

2. The PTBNL cannot have played in the same league (I think both NL and AL count as one for this) as the player for whom he is traded. This largely comes into play in deadline deals when the receiving club doesn’t have 40 man roster space so they want the other team to keep the prospect until November. The “to be named” prospect cannot be called up in September by his original team.

3. Even if two teams agree on a particular player, the player is still Rule 5 eligible (if he is otherwise).

Major reasons for using PTBNL rather than naming everyone immediately:

1. The PTBNL is not eligible to be traded immediately. A player cannot be traded for one year after signing his first professional contract (the Incaviglia rule), but he can be a PTBNL after six months and one day. The trade is completed at his one-year date.

2. 40 man roster crunch.

3. To give the receiving team additional scouting time. Sometimes the teams agree on a list of players from which the receiving team can select one or more. The receiving team can then scout those players more heavily. Note that this doesn’t always help; the Rangers eventually chose Joaquín Árias instead of Robinson Canó in the A-Rod trade.

4. A gentlemen’s agreement to make the quality of the player conditional on the success of the major leaguer.

5. So that the receiving team can avoid putting a Rule 5 eligible onto his 40 man roster before the draft. If the player is claimed by another team, the two teams agree to substitute someone else or cash.

Generally, the teams agree either to a single player or to a list of players from which one team or the other can choose at the time of the trade, but occasionally they agree simply that it will be a “low level prospect” or something similar. Baseball rules stipulate a cash payment (or “future considerations”) must be made to complete the trade if the teams don’t come to an agreement, or if the receiving team prefers it that way.

Note also that sometimes “future considerations” are traded instead of (or in addition to) a player or cash. Future considerations usually take the form of the receiving team asking the trading team not to claim a certain player who is on waivers — a handy thing during the August trading period.

Also, gentlemen’s agreements are very strong among GMs in baseball. They take great pride in being honest with one another about a player’s injury history, about not revealing sensitive data about another team to the media, and about agreeing to trade whichever PTBNL was previously agreed on.

Hope this clears it up a bit.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Feb 4, 2009 6:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

not saying it is gunna happen

Cause its not, but if you trade for a PTBNL, can you add more people to the trade at a later date to get a bigger named person? Like can the trade be “edited”?..

by Kchance on Feb 3, 2009 8:41 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I always felt bad

I always felt bad for the PTBNL. I mean they’re all at least 18 and nobody gave them a name yet?

Barbara V. October 14, 1941 - December 19, 2008. A great lady who was a friend to all and like a second mom to her children's friends (she was my best friend's mom)

by cubstoseriesby100 on Feb 3, 2009 1:51 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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